The Sacramento Kings are broken.
After Tuesday night's blowout loss to the Lebron-less Los Angeles Lakers at home, a loss that included a 40-8 Lakers run, a blown double-digit lead, chants of "let's go Lakers" throughout the arena, and mocking cries of "Airball!" as another Kings player jacked up another terrible shot, Sacramento's players seemed, well, unbothered. Despite having been embarrassed for the second consecutive game, and despite being on pace for just 29 wins this season, they milled about the court post-game, trading hugs and high-fives with their opponents and laughing among each other.
As always, they fell into form when it came time for the post-game press conferences. The players vomited out the same nonsensical bullshit that they've been trained to say since the day they joined the team, whenever that may have been. No, they won't actually get better or try harder on the defensive end of the floor, No, they won't actually make adjustments at the half. No, they won't actually learn to stop the bleeding when an opposing team makes a run. Nothing is actually going to change. And no one cares.
Too many players have gotten too used to losing without any real consequences. Paychecks still cash, fans still (sometimes) cheer, extensions are still offered, and no one gets traded or benched or held accountable in any way. That sort of team, that sort of roster, cannot be rescued. It cannot be resuscitated. It cannot be changed.
They are broken.
That may seem a harsh indictment just 22 games into the 2021 season, or it may seem like an emotional response to a rough stretch as multiple key players have missed multiple games, but this core hasn't had 22 games to prove themselves. They've had multiple seasons and multiple coaches and multiple revamps and multiple supporting characters, all to no avail.
Since trading for Harrison Barnes a few years ago, the core-minutes group of De'Aaron Fox, Buddy Hield, and Harrison Barnes has played 194 games together. In that time, they've blown leads, gotten head coaches fired, and failed to make the playoffs on their way to a record of 81 - 113, an average of 34 wins and 48 losses per season.
Shortly after Barnes' addition, the Kings signed free agent Richaun Holmes, who has likely been Sacramento's second-best player since his acquisition. The core-minutes group of De'Aaron Fox, Buddy Hield, Harrison Barnes, and Richaun Holmes has played 166 games together. In that time, they've blown leads, gotten a coach fired, and failed to make the playoffs on their way to a record of 70-96, an average of 34 wins and 48 losses per season.
Last year, the Kings lucked out and were able to draft Tyrese Haliburton 12th overall. The core-minutes group of De'Aaron Fox, Tyrese Haliburton, Buddy Hield, Harrison Barnes, and Richaun Holmes has played 94 games together. In that time, they've blown leads, gotten a coach fired, and failed to make the playoffs on their way to a record of 39-55, an average of, you guessed it, 34 wins and 48 losses per season.
They are broken.
And yet, despite all of that data in front of him, Sacramento Kings General Manager Monte McNair has done, well, nothing of significance in his time as the man in charge. After 15 months on the job, halfway through the average tenure of an NBA GM, the Kings still have the same basic core as they did when Vlade Divac resigned in failure. Aside from letting Bogdan Bogdanovic walk to the Atlanta Hawks for no compensation, McNair has stuck by the core of Fox, Hield, Barnes, and Holmes, despite having no connection to any of those players prior to his tenure. This past summer, he re-signed multiple free agents from last year's squad, despite them winning only 31 games, and he did nothing more than tinker around the edges and draft the team's third point guard.
From a non-roster point of view, McNair chose to keep Luke Walton at two different, critical junctions, despite the fact that Walton has never posted a winning season in his half-decade of head coaching in the league. Less than 20 games into the 2021 season, McNair fired Walton, named Alvin Gentry the interim coach, and acted as if that was a completely reasonable path, despite just about every intelligent mind in the basketball world begging for Walton's dismissal this past summer.
And now the Kings, in many ways, are stuck. They have a lame-duck, interim head coach who has about as much of a chance of making the playoffs and keeping his job as De'Aaron Fox does of hitting 40% of his three-point attempts this year. Their roster is bad, but not bad enough to be truly bad. Their core players aren't old, but they mostly aren't young enough to be considered for a rebuild. Their talent level is below-average, with few players on the roster who would garner significant interest in the trade market. Their leadership is non-existent and their cornerstone player has regressed severely, refuses to play defense, and is owed $158 million over the next five years.
The Kings are broken.
An easy fix isn't coming, either. The shouts to shuffle up the roster fall on mostly deaf ears for a reason. There isn't really a player out there, not even a Ben Simmons-esque talent, who could fix this team. Monte McNair has chosen to ride the fence between tanking and trying to win and spending money and reserving flexibility for far too long. The roster is too imbalanced and too poorly assembled to be rescued.
If Monte McNair ships out Buddy Hield in a trade, the roster loses the vast majority of its shooting, as the Kings sans Hield make just 30.5% of their three-point attempts. If Harrison Barnes is dealt, the team loses its only competent wing. A De'Aaron Fox exit leaves the team without a number one option on offense, assuming he ever regains that status, and his value isn't high enough to garner the return of a player who could replace him in that role. Jaylen Brown and Brandon Ingram aren't walking through that door. The players further down the list, namely Tyrese Haliburton and Davion Mitchell, haven't played well enough this year to snag the Kings anything close to an All-Star caliber contributor. Shuffling the deck would do nothing more than slap a bandaid on a massive, festering wound.
Of course, the Kings could also push all-in on this horrific season. They could fall into the trap of trying to save the season, and maybe some jobs, by shipping out Tyrese Haliburton or Davion Mitchell and multiple first rounders and hope for the best, but such a plan is the worst path moving forward. Sacramento would be stripped of most of its future assets in an effort to right the ship, but in the end, a rotten core is a rotten core, and this team is beyond rotten. They aren't winning anything.
They are broken.
The other side of the coin, and the best path moving forward, the rebuild or retool option, won't exactly be easy to execute either. While it's true that Harrison Barnes would undoubtedly garner significant interest if the Kings were to make him available, the same can't be said for many of Sacramento's contributors. Buddy Hield has been on the block since just about the moment he signed his extension, and no one has taken the plunge thus far. Richaun Holmes would receive a ton of attention, but his contract is extremely valuable and his prowess in the pick-and-roll may be worth keeping around for the development of Tyrese Haliburton and Davion Mitchell. And even if the Kings wanted to deal Holmes, they must wait until January 15th to trade him due to his contract situation this past summer, and Terence Davis is in the same boat, although it would be shocking if anyone were interested in Davis' services. Aside from Holmes, Barnes, and Hield, guys like Tristan Thompson, Alex Len, Marvin Bagley, and Maurice Harkless can be offered up, but their return in any given trade would be minuscule.
That leaves one other option: De'Aaron Fox, but his value has never been lower. The one team that may have surrendered significant assets for his services, the Philadelphia 76ers, has watched their $2 million, second-year player, Tyrese Maxey, outplay Fox on every level this season. They have no particular reason to trade for him now, nor do most other teams.
So what happens now? What does one do with a below-average, underperforming, overpaid, nonchalant, leadership-less team?
Blow it up.
The season is lost.
The Kings are broken.
The spare parts that have value, whether that be Harrison Barnes or Buddy Hield or whoever, need to be pieced out and traded away as their value dictates. De'Aaron Fox's name needs to be thrown out there and offers need to be listened to, and a trade probably needs to take place, assuming semi-significant value is offered.
At a much higher level, when this lost season finishes, and it will be lost, no matter what the front office does or does not do, Monte McNair's failed tenure thus far must be evaluated. Frankly, assuming no miracles are worked, the cleanest path forward will probably be to cut ties all around and, for the first time in Vivek Ranadive's near-decade tenure, allow a General Manager to work from a truly fresh start. Give the new GM a high draft pick, the assets garnered in the veteran trades, the right to hire his own head coach, and the opportunity to find a new, true franchise cornerstone who can lead and push and prod this team in moments of peril, not laugh as his college buddy knocks down a buzzer-beater three in his face at the end of a half.
The idea of throwing away the season just a quarter of the way through is difficult to accept, perhaps even more so for those who held high expectations heading into the year, and starting over again after 15 years of nothing but piled up losses and busted draft picks seems about as bleak as can be, but at some point, one must accept the truth. This team, this core, cannot get it done, nor will they ever get it done. The sooner that Monte McNair or Vivek Ranadive can accept that a rebuild or a retooling is nearly inevitable, the sooner they can begin the process of assembling a real roster with real, winning players. Until that harsh, depressing, frustrating, job-costing reality is accepted, the Sacramento Kings will remain nothing more than a fundamentally broken organization.
Even a broken Kings team is right 2 games a month.
2013 – 20??
I had the team at 9-13 after November, and they are 8-14, meaning that they gave back two games in November after being a +1 in October. My preseason prediction was 35-47, and right now it looks as though I was woefully overoptimistic.
22 games is 27% of the season, so on the one hand a smallish sample size but on the other hand a reasonable chunk of the schedule.
Strength of scheduling can be an impact point here, but I’ve always thought that the SOS number can be off kilter, especially in the smaller sample sizes, as teams like the Dubs or Suns or Rockets can skew the number. So my system, which is not without its flaws, is to carve up the schedule into three sections: .600 or better (that’s 50 win teams or better), below .600 but above .400 (at 20 games that would be the 11-9 to 9-11 teams), .400 or below. Using that bar, the Kings schedule has been:
6 games vs. .600+ teams
10 games vs. .401-.599 teams
6 games vs. .400- teams
So if you lose to the best teams, beat the worst teams and split with the ones in between, you’re 11-11 right now.
Also, if you break out how many teams are currently in each of the above categories, it basically breaks down that the breakdown of the schedule would still be the 6/10/6 that is noted above. In other words, the schedule has not been unfair to this team, and that is before considering how many top players have sat out when they played the Kings
The Kings have had as many road games as home games, so nothing really to see there, except for noting that the Kings have the 4th worst home record in the league, and the worst home record in the West.
I think that December will be this team’s “best” full month, finishing at 7-8 or 6-9. But the schedule from Jan. 1 to the all-star break is a rough one. 24-36 or 25-35 seems like the break number to me, 5 games out of the play-in. My 35-47 prediction appears to be too optimistic at this point. The team is playing at a 30-52 pace vs. a pedestrian schedule.
Pedestrian, eh? No rush–we’ll get there someday. Have patience, Kings fans!
Don’t worry, Kings fans! Ownership and the front office are going as fast as they can to put a winning product on the floor!
Follow the Thunder blueprint!
No stars equals no hope. They didn’t have the courage to tank for 2-3 years so they get what they deserve.
Just think of what tanking would have done to the effort and mental fortitude of the players on the court!
It would have been disastrous! 😉
All they needed to do was draft Doncic and the conversation would be completely different right now.
But Doncic would have kept the ball out of Fox’s hands.
And…that’s a bad thing? He can’t shoot 3’s, he doesn’t use his speed to attack or push the ball, and when he goes to the line, he shots barely 70%. When your “best” player can’t be counted on getting a bucket when needed, your screwed. He also looks so disinterested this season. Not what you want to see from a max contract guy.
He was just repeating the meme. Kosta would have loved to get Luka.
Yeah, sorry. I was being sarcastic. I agree with you! 🙂
Yep, Vlade Divac would still be GM, and would be seen as competent based on the team winning in the high 40s, low 50s and making the playoffs every year.
Draft Doncic and keep Joeger. Or keep Malone. Or never sell to Fucking Vivek.
Exactly. The Kings are the Detroit Lions. No matter what they do they are horrible because the organization is rotten to the core.
Vivek is, amd always has been the issue. I’d like to see this team blown up and rebuilt but nothing indicates that the diminutive little fuck will back off.
I think the ones who certainly deserve better are the hardworking, thoughtful writers here who still have to watch and follow this garbage instead of tuning it out like the rest of us.
Time for a billboard?
It is just about time for that. Unless Vivek magically backs off like Dolan, which is highly unlikely.
Time to make our voice heard. To stop paying for anything Kings or attend games.
Im afraid apathy will probably end up being the path rather than fight Vivek’s incompetence
You’re free to put a harshly worded Post-it note on the front doors of the G1C for me.
Front Office! (For the purpose of this discussion, feel free to include or not include Vivek Ranadive. Either McNair and Co. own their decisions or they are mere paper tigers. At this point it really doesn’t matter to me. All that matters is where this team is right now.)
The efforts put forth at this point include what appears to be better than average draft acumen, but when you are drafting at 12 & 9 you are statistically likely to move the needle just slightly in the right direction. The front office has done its job here, although…
Trading Barnes and Hield and the trade deadline last year would have cost this team at least a few wins down the stretch last year, which could have yielded a higher pick. You don’t have to squint too hard to seeing the Kings landing the ping pong balls that got Scottie Barnes to Toronto. Overall, the trade and free agency activity under this front office has been a big pile of meh, with no tangible improvement to the team in either the short or long term.
About not trading Barnes and Hield – The front office had its own valuations for these players, and the market never met their valuations. Fair enough. But the result is the result. Whatever the thinking was, the result on 12/1/21 is an interim coach and the 7th worst record in the league. The decision not to trade Barnes and Hield can be rationalized and perhaps even justified, but in this results-driven industry, 8-14 is 8-14.
About that head coach – The organization blew an entire off season and preseason by retaining Luke Walton, only to jettison him less than a quarter into the season. What a monumental error and waste of time. This team is not going to fix itself in-season. Whatever chance it had was blown the moment the front office retained Walton.
At this point, the only thing that I can give this front office over the prior one is that this front office did not pass on Luka Doncic. Of course, had the prior front office not passed on Doncic, the prior front office would probably not be the prior front office.
This front office has been in place for two drafts, two off seasons and one trade deadline, and the team is no better in the near term, and in no better position for the long term. At about the time that some of the older, better teams begin to age out, organizations such as OKC and Hou could be much better positioned than the Kings. It would take some elite management skill and dexterity to turn this organization around, and I’m sure not feeling that right now.
We got a red banner! Let’s go!
Wait, what the shit is this?
That’s on me!
SMF-PDX ruined my commenting.
You don’t need me to do that, Rik. 🙂
If you are having trouble tolerating the horrid play of The Kings please clear the owner and all his sycophants.
Not just a broken team but franchise and fan base !
Gee, all that harping about 34-48 cores, and you didn’t even rec the team’s remarkable consistency. My, you are one testy Giraffe today.
At the beginning of the season I rated Fox as roughly the #12 PG in the league. He ranks among today’s NBA PGs similarly to where Isaiah Thomas ranked in the league when he played for the Kings. Fox’s level of play was a huge value to contract on his rookie deal, but now that the new contract has kicked in he is a bit of a net liability right now.
I seem to recall Fox having a bout with COVID, and if he has been impacted similarly to how Jayson Tatum may have been impacted, that could explain a bit of the fall-off. Maybe the NBA’s new approach to contact at and around the rim is a contributing factor. Whatever it is, the franchise centerpiece is not providing an adequate return on investment right now.
I like Haliburton, Mitchell, Holmes, Barnes. I appreciate the non-stop movement of Buddy Hield. But honestly, at this point the entire roster could be dealt and I would not shed a tear. Is there an organization in the NBA that possesses an inventory of players, picks and cap space that is less attractive than the Kings? Without looking, my guess is that it would be a very short (if not non-existent) list.
I think Hali and Holmes might have the most value right now, closely followed by Barnes. Hali looks to be a solid role player and his rookie scale deal is a steal. Holmes equally has a very good deal and their pick and roll game is about the only thing the Kings have working. I’d hate to seem them go.
Barnes will have suitors at. His deal is good and his production and role should have contenders salivating. He’d be an excellent add to a team like Philly or Miami. If the Kings intend on moving him, they might as well start now. There is no point in waiting as he just hurts their lottery chances.
I don’t think any of it will matter unless Vivek backs off or leaves.
The answer won’t lie in different players or coaches or GMs.
Again, when we watch the Detroit Lions we know they are going to be perpetually shit no matter who they bring in because the org is shit.
We are at an almost hopeless point.
Fox needs to be dealt if there is any saving this team. As Tim said, his value has sunk right now. He’s a mid-tiered non all-star PG on a massive contract in a league with very few teams that would like his services. A poor shooting, poor defending, average passing, but speedy PG is out of fashion. The John Walls, Brandon Jennings, Monte Ellis, etc. guards of the league are not in demand.
My re-posted thoughts from the recap thread:
How long before the trade demand happens and Monte is forced to take pennies on the dollar for Fox? My prediction: Fox to New Orleans for Satoransky, Murphy III, Hart and a lottery protected first that eventually conveys as two 2nd rounders.
To add, if a much better player and all-star in Demarcus Cousins got the Kings Buddy, a mid lottery pick, and expirings, how much would Fox get the Kings? I’m guessing less.
i am a sucker, er, sorry season ticket holder- made the pledge back in the “here we stay” days and stuck to it. I don’t look forward to going to the games any more. From the look of G1C, I am not the only one. This is sad beyond just the worthless product on the court- this is bad for Sacramento and business and people and everything attached to having something the community can be proud of. I have suffered through years of liking guys who I knew, deep down, I was over-rating because they were our guy. There is one guy on this year’s team that I would personally miss seeing…Holmes. That’s it. As much as I am sick of seeing Hield throw away the ball or Fox dribble down the clock before jacking up a shot, I could deal if I thought they really cared about their performance after the game. They simply don’t…so why should I. My wife and I have agreed that that this is our last year of being season ticket holders. It makes me sad.
This comment, from someone who has held out hope and spent a lot more time, interest and money than many of us, should keep the Kings up at night. I guess winning fixes everything (if you can ever win) but losing fans like this should be a wakeup call for the organization.
I am sure Kings staffers have sleepless nights, fearing for their jobs, with the current attendance.
I doubt that the people in charge and responsible for this disaster lose much sleep, however.
I’m sure billionaires sleep pretty damn well every night shielded from consequences and reality.
And for this I repeat —Fuck you Vivek. Your ego has crushed everything. Not just the team but the fans and the city. He needs to go but I don’t see how.
His behavior is gross.
This is the least optimistic and most frustrated I’ve ever been as a Kings fan. This just sucks. Serious work needs to be done. Seeing Buddy and Tristan laugh with AD post game was all we need to see. They don’t care. Fox doesn’t care. It’s time to bring in guys who actually do.
Monte grab your phone and start making some calls.
Well there’s always next year………….right?
Found a free online template that featured an older gentlemen….because we’re all getting older and the Kings stay the same! (insert Dazed and Confused gif)
I really hope TKH can make use of Jerry Reynold’s amazing quote about “Delusions of mediocrity” and put out a shirt!
Why? Like, what is the alternative? Continue to exist in NBA purgatory?
THE STATUS QUO IS FAR MORE DIFFICULT TO ACCEPT! (YES, I AM SHOUTING!)
Keep shouting, baby.
I’ll just continue to beat this drum because I really think it’s all that matters. This organization will never make the playoffs while Vivek is the majority partner barring some massive out of body experience that sees him completely remove himself from any franchise business.
I was listening to Zach Lowe and Kevin Arnovitz on the Lowe Post podcast a couple weeks ago after the Kings fired Walton and Arnovitz spoke at length about the ownership issues and that all of the dysfunction starts there. He said he had spoken with multiple minority owners both past and present and they all said the same thing: Vivek is an egomaniac and the job of the GM of the Sacramento Kings is only about appeasing the owner. That’s it. If that’s truly the case, then we are screwed until Vivek is gone because they will NEVER make the right decisions. The process is too flawed. That’s the only way you make a decision like taking Marvin Bagley over Luka. That decision broke me because it became apparent that even when this organization got lucky, it couldn’t do the right thing. When all the chips fall in your favor and you still screw it up, everything else is moot.
So I don’t care about Monte McNair. Keep him, fire him, it doesn’t matter. Hiring a new coach won’t make the players play harder. Trade Fox, trade Haliburton or Mitchell or anyone else and it won’t make a difference. Draft a generational superstar and it won’t matter because if we do somehow draft a generational superstar, the organization will fail to build around that player and they will most likely demand a trade as soon as possible. None of it matters while Vivek runs the organization.
And as Rob likes to say, nice arena though.
Lakers and Dubs fans sure seem to think so!
Haha they love it! Most Kings fans wouldn’t be caught dead there at this point.
Vivek probably doesn’t mind the Dubs fans. Probably considers them friends.
Heck, he probably doesn’t mind the L*kers fans any more than he’d mind a former L*ker (who every Kings fan hated) to be a minority owner.
The sad part is that unless there’s tremendous financial loss or something really egregious happens (a’la Donald Sterling audio), Vivek is not going anywhere, and we are basically stuck with him for what will seem like forever….which means this team is never going to get out of the doldrums.
I know man and that’s what just sucks. I really am a pretty positive guy most of the time but I honestly don’t see anyway out of this unless, as you said, something crazy happens. I guess my only hope is that eventually Vivek just gets tired of being a laughingstock and eventually sells the team. I think after the Luka draft I finally realized that we’re the suckers. The team keeps putting out a trash product and their local media acolytes peddle hope to help keep ticket sales at a reasonable level. It seems that even that is beginning to wane. I just wish there were another way to look at this that wasn’t so bleak but I don’t see it.
As Jillian Adge says on twitter, even though Vivek ain’t going nowhere it’s still worth calling him out.
He may own the team, but he needs to own the results.
Shame at will!
(not Will. will!)
Not going to let him screw up our beloved franchise without consequence.
Oh absolutely and Jill is right! We should shame the hell out of him and we should keep doing it relentlessly.
We need a game plan: Get Dlo and KC involved (bc no
one at KHTK will), “sell the team” chants, etc?
Yea I’m here as well. I haven’t consumed a game for two years and that is VERY strange for me. I couldn’t even stomach going to the Sixers game, which has never happened in 25 years of following my hometown teams from afar.
He got his real estate deal and free parking money, but my support has completely ended.
Until superstars arrive we’re just a place for players and the league to get paid, while the superteams divide up any relevancy.
When does the current agreement with cable affiliates expire? It seems to me that the writing is on the wall that pro sports are eventually going to go to 100% subscription viewing before too long. When folks stop forking over cash for a team based subscription program then maybe they’ll feel it in their pocket books.
All I can hope for is the valuation of the team continues to go up, Vivek loses interest in the day to day operations, bristles at being labeled a “loser owner” then sells for a fat profit and takes his ball and goes home.
I imagine a man of his rumored ego can’t stand losing so he may just up and quit, but with his pockets full.
Yep. Dude thinks he’s god. I wonder if he walks around the arena challenging the players to a pushup contest.
My tiny sliver of hope is that once we can put the frantic attempts to avoid the play-off drought behind us (either by somehow getting into the playoffs or taking sole possesion of the record), maybe thinks will change.
Maybe instead of a quick retooling or tinkering of an almost-there roster, we will truly start to tear it down and build something sustainable.
Maybe I am a dumbass. Probably.
I think if they would actually commit to this strategy, then they could potentially turn it around. The problem, is that would take foresight from Vivek and I just don’t know that we’ve seen any evidence he’s capable of that. But hey it’s the Christmas season so maybe we can get a miracle!
Vivek is the problem. He said this was our team, so it’s time we take it back. I appreciate him keeping the team here, but its time that he cashes out and takes his toxic and enabling ways out of town. Otherwise, this same cycle will continue.
Yes, cannot believe how unattractive the talent on the team is.
Who would want to trade for these guys and if they did, the Kings would be at the disadvantage.
The team knew Demarcus was a cancer. They should have cleaned house then and nabbed Giannis.
Everyone knew Luka was gold, except Vladek.
Imagine if they had chose Luka and signed Julius Randle as many suggested in the threads leading up to that draft.
Hell, with that team they could have traded Fox and picks for Simmons in the off season.
Yes, nothing to talk about this team except for the shit show.
Maybe in 15 years (if Vivek is gone).
I’ve always felt that the missed opportunity was not blowing the team up when Ranadive bought the team in 2013. The goodwill that he had by saving the team would have filled ARCO for the next two seasons, and the new arena would have taken care of the next two seasons. The Kings could have taken those four seasons to tear it down to the studs and rebuild. What a missed opportunity that has turned out to be.
Yes, a smart GM could have gotten several first round picks over several years for the likes of Demarcus and Rudy Gay (and whoever else).
How could anyone who knew about Cousin’s bullying behavior (and those inside knew) believed that you could win anything with that guy.
I met someone who was a friend of Jimmer. The stories he told her were horrendous.
For me, this is the point in the season when I hope the team trades my favorite players to better teams.
Holmes to Charlotte.
Tyrese to the Spurs.
Davion to Miami.
Barnes to the Wizards.
I don’t care what the Kings get back. I just want my favorite players out of this shit show and to a place where they know how to run a team.
I feel no hope for this organization. I am numb to the losses. The only feeling I do have is sadness that these players have to be on the Kings and suffer under Vivek.
I will admit to feeling this way sometimes as well. Nothing that’s happening right now is Tyrese Haliburton’s fault and I just want to see him have a great career.
“So Richaun, how does it feel now that you signed that new contract to stay with the Kings?”
Planes, Trains, and Mobile Holmes
I’ve been on the “The kings are a piece or two away” train for a while. I no longer am on that train. All veterans need to be on the block. If you’re 28 or older, you’re on the block and that means a lot of losses going forward this season and next. Even Holmes needs to be on the block. Buddy, Barnes, and Holmes are the three guys that could yield decent returns. Get young assets and picks and blow it up. I like this year’s draft a lot more than last year’s. There are two legit #1 picks this year and decent depth. Get 2-3 first rounders this year and move on.
Fox may need a change of scenery, but given that he isn’t playing up to his contract makes me wonder if there would be any takers.
I actually think there’s 3 #1 level guys (Holmgren, Banchero and Jabari Smith Jr)
Nostradumbass prediction for next season:
Ham said that Christie is Vivek’s guy. No doubt that he will be the coach the next year.
From Heuristic Lineup’s twitter screenshot…
As star-struck as Vivek is by ex-athletes, and his history of letting them do whatever they want as employees, DC may be our only hope of things improving.
The scariest and truest of timelines.
I want to say one other thing about the talent level of the team. I don’t think it is all that high BUT I also think that outside of a Lebron level star, any other player would look worse here than they would almost anywhere else.
I watched the Warriors-Suns game last night because I need a reminder of what real basketball looks like. I have been really impressed to watch Jordan Poole this year (and especially last night) as he seems to have taken a bit of a leap and it got to me wondering what Jordan Poole look like right now if he’d been drafted at the end of the first round by the Kings. Obviously it’s impossible to know, but I feel pretty confident in saying that he wouldn’t be anywhere close to the player he is in Golden State right now. Andrew Wiggins was horrendous in Minnesota and is a valuable piece for the Warriors now. I used to disregard situation and believe that talent can rise through mediocrity but the longer I watch guys like Juan Toscano-Anderson, Chris Chiozza and Gary Payton II play meaningful, impactful winning basketball, the less I think that holds up. Is there any doubt that for a whole host of reasons, none of those guys would make any impact on the Kings?
It’s why simply drafting better isn’t going to move the needle for this franchise. If every player has a range of outcomes for their career, whoever the Kings draft will be at the bottom of their range. That is my current fear with Tyrese Haliburton. I believe he has the skill and BBIQ to be a phenomenal player but we are already seeing him regress this season because the Kings dysfunction and lack of player of development will eventually win out. I have no doubt that if he were traded to even a decent organization he would look like a stud in short order.
TL;DR but I guess my larger point is that the talent on this team isn’t great, but it’s higher than it appears right now because this organization makes everyone (mainly the players) look worse than they actually are.
Damn. Maybe Marvin Bagley is better than I think he is.
I have thought about him. It’s hard to remember now but there were actually some positives his rookie year. I was really down on Bagley going into the draft but even I didn’t think he’d be THIS bad. I am pretty confident that a different organization could have gotten a better outcome than potentially out of the league in a year from Bagley’s career.
The pressure of being the No. 2 added to his predicament. He seems to let the hype get to him.
However, he does not seem like a high IQ player. I think it is pretty obvious he is a low IQ player. Sure, part of that is on the team; part of it is on him.
He seems like a late first-rounder, role player at best.
I wrote a while ago about having a real long-term plan. What kind of style you want to play on both sides of the floor, what kind of identity you are shaping, what players and coach fit that vision etc.
That’s a big part of the reasons how franchises like the Spurs, Heat and Warriors managed to be good so long/so often.
JJ Redick has a good podcast. He interviews current and former players and you get a gritty look at what NBA reality is for players.
If you watch his interview with Jimmy Butler, Butler speaks to your point in his comparisons of the different teams he’s played on.
You understand why he didn’t stay in Philly and why he loves Miami (and it’s not just because of the beaches).
His description of a meeting with the starting five and the coach of the ’76ers was humorous. It was essentially a meeting about nothing (and definitely not as funny as a Seinfeld episode).
What got me was how his story connected with my own experiences with supervisors who were not qualified or full of shit.
I laughed and said, “My god, even at that level you can end up with a incompetent boss.”
(Why was I surprised? I’m a Kings fan.)
Anyway, that kind of everyday frustration is the thing that makes you want to find another job.
Why didn’t Butler stay in Philly when he had a team stacked with talent?
Because he’s a smart dude and a professional who doesn’t want to deal with incompetence.
Guess I’m not smart ’cause I’m still a damn Kings fan.
Anyway, to your point, yes, not all franchises are the same. It is easy to admire the good ones.
Yeah it’s a really good point. I think there are expectations with those franchises and there are just no expectations in the Kings organization. Zero accountability leads to zero results.
I’d love to see what Tyrese evolved into as a player if he were on the Spurs.
I’d let Monte have a shot with his own coach and no restrictions. I still think he kept Walton bc Vivek needed to save money.
Sure, it’s been 15 months, but he was likely evaluating what he had last season, and when he saw the results this season, he now knows. But, it’s likely better to wait to the Dec trade restrictions to lift to increase availability of potential players and trades. If he does nothing by the deadline, then I’ll give up on Monte.
I still believe he is smart and can get it done. He just needs Vivek to gtfo of his way.
I’d hold onto Hali and Holmes (unless blown away by a deal) and put everyone else on the block.
Blow. It. Up.
In a league where the average team would make the playoffs roughly 5 out of 9 times, and in a league that has seen 29 out of 30 teams make the playoffs over the past 9 years, how inept do you have to be as an owner to – either by your direct hand or by your hiring practices – hang an ofer ownership?
Nice are…ah, fuck it!
It’s Rob Hessing open mic night, pulling no punches!
Hold on to your
Instead of a thumbs up (or in addition to) we need a shaka symbol to click on.