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Tyrese Haliburton is already exceeding expectations

Rookie of the year, anyone?

When Tyrese Haliburton slid to the 12th pick in the 2020 NBA Draft, Kings fans couldn’t help but celebrate their fortune. Instead of debating the merits of Tyrese Maxey versus Aaron Nesmith, Sacramento walked away with a top-5 rated prospect, a rare stroke of draft luck for a derelict franchise. 

But once the dust had settled, the tears of joy had been wiped away, and the confetti had all been swept up and discarded, expectations for Haliburton began to temper a bit. He was a sophomore combo guard, and it's not often that rail-thin secondary ball-handlers who boast an odd shooting form and who struggled to create their own offense in college often become massive successes in the NBA. His future was discussed in more muted tones, often in the vein of a complimentary player to the cornerstones of De'Aaron Fox and Marvin Bagley and whoever the Kings selected in the 2021 draft. Experts often described his ceiling as a competent starter who could possibly develop into some sort of "super role player", a la Shane Battier or Danny Green.

Six games into his NBA career, Tyrese Haliburton has begun to blow that high-floor, low-ceiling projectition out of the water. His career arc isn't that of a high-end role player. He's a high-end role player right now. Place him on any NBA team, from championship contender to lottery tanker, and Haliburton would be receiving big minutes, and for good reason. He's begun to prove himself as a guard who can play either position, as an efficient scorer, as an individual and team defender, and as a clutch performer. Holes in his skill set certainly do exist, but they're pretty easy to overlook when he impacts the game in so many different, positive ways.

One of the most impressive aspects of Haliburton's performance thus far has been his ability to toggle between a primary and secondary ball-handler at the drop of a hat, with no efficiency lost between the two roles. On the season, he's recorded 28 assists to just 4 turnovers, placing him third among all NBA guards in assist to turnover ratio. In the half-court, his pick-and-roll instincts are, frankly, better than De'Aaron Fox's, and that's not in a one-to-one comparison to Fox as a rookie player, but as a comparison to current-era De'Aaron.

Tyrese ranks as the second-best pick-and-roll initiator in the entire NBA, averaging 1.4 points per possession and drawing a shooting foul 20% of the time. Perhaps even more impressive than his scoring has been his control with the ball, as he has yet to cough up the rock in the screening game, despite running the play for about 24% of his time on the floor. Comparitively, Fox is far below Haliburton's production and efficiency, ranking in the 37th percentile to Haliburton's 99th, scoring just 0.83 points per possession and turning it over 16% of the time. It's entirely possible that a future iteration of this team will highlight De'Aaron in transition and as a primary scoring option in the secondary break, while the ball will shift under Haliburton's control in half-court sets. The kid is probably good enough to handle that swap right now.

Of course, it was expected that a combo guard would be able to handle some initiating duties as he entered the league, as that was his primary attraction heading in the NBA, but Haliburton's comfort level as a scoring option has come as a complete surprise to many who watched him play at Iowa State. Among rookies who have appeared in at least five games, Tyrese currently ranks third in points per game, but it's his combination of efficiency and timing that truly impresses. Although he's third in scoring in his class, Hali has posted just the 14th highest usage percentage. When compared to all NBA guards, Haliburton places in the 90th percentile in true shooting percentage at 67%, while his 48% accuracy from three places him seventh in the league among players who attempt at least four long-balls per game. He's picking his spots and scoring only when a good opportunity arises, a rare trait for a rookie, especially one who had no Summer League and essentially no training camp to start his NBA career.

Many first year players walk into the league as competent scorers and initiators, as Haliburton has done, but the same top performers often find their downfall on the defensive side of things. That's not been the case with Tyrese. He's shown the ability to defend both guard positions, and even some small forwards, and thus far in the 2020 season, he has reduced his opponents' field goal percentage outside of the paint by 2.1%, third on the team. He's easily in the running for the most talented perimeter defender on the team already.

Haliburton has also shown a knack for constantly disrupting opposing team's passing lanes, ranking in the 82nd percentile in steals per game at 1.3, while also leading all rookies with 2.7 deflections per game. His impact as a perimeter disrupter isn't a Rondo-esque, stat-stuffing selfish play that sacrifices the defensive scheme on the altar of individual accomplishments, either. As a team, the Kings post a defensive rating of 108.1 with Haliburton on the floor, the best mark among rotational players. Conversely, when Hali exits the game, Sacramento's defensive rating skyrockets to 114.9, the second-worst rating behind Richaun Holmes. Overall, the Kings are outscored by 8.9 points per 100 possessions when the stud rookie sits, second once again to only Richaun Holmes. He's one of the only players on the team who puts in effort in every single defensive possession, and the results speak for themselves.

The final aspect of Haliburton's seemingly endless laundry list of accomplishments, and perhaps the most surprising element to his game, has been his complete and total comfort in performing in late, close game situations. Tyrese ranks second in the NBA in fourth quarter minutes per game at 10.2. That's not second among rookies. That's second among every single NBA player. And as evidenced by his 15 point, 4 rebound 4th quarter burst to lead the Kings to victory on Wednesday evening, Haliburton should be playing every minute possible in the final period for the Kings.

In clutch situations this season (5 minutes or fewer remaining, 5 point differential between teams), Haliburton has played 19 of 25 possible minutes for Sacramento and has scored 11 points, shot 4/6 from the floor, 3/4 from three-point range, and has yet to turn the ball over in that situation. It's often said that some players just have "it" when it comes to big-time shot-making, and Haliburton certainly seems to have been born with that splice of DNA; he's about as cold-blooded as they come.

When Tyrese Haliburton was drafted by the Kings, he was projected a safe-if-unspectacular option. His first few forays into the NBA have proven those forecasts as too conservative at best, and somewhat foolish at worst. Tyrese Haliburton's ceiling certainly isn't that of a high-end role player, as he's playing that part six games into his rookie season. His future is as bright as any other member of the 2020 NBA Draft class.

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RikSmits
January 7, 2021 9:27 am

And as a bonus, off the court, he delivers some razor-sharp commentary on the current state of the USA.

I’M A BELIEVER IN BURT!

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andy_sims
January 7, 2021 9:55 am
Reply to  RikSmits

FACTS.

Jman1949
January 7, 2021 10:26 am
Reply to  RikSmits

Ty = Kings win

He is Ty-WIN, Hand of the Kings!

RockRichmond2
January 8, 2021 4:10 pm
Reply to  Jman1949

Rese the hot hand!

Amonk81
January 7, 2021 11:41 am
Reply to  RikSmits

Love, love, live Haliburton. So much so, after seeing him in first pre season minutes I place $150 on ROY.

He’s that good and better. How GMs didn’t see it is beyond me. Already my favorite Kings and the best player in the team (impact).

arbexfernando
January 7, 2021 12:40 pm
Reply to  Amonk81

Nice bet basketball wise, but the sad thing is that voters don’t watch as much as they should

RORDOG
January 7, 2021 1:02 pm
Reply to  arbexfernando

he’s leading all rookies in basically every single advanced stat. He’s also getting a ton of buzz among the various NBA experts. If the Kings can get to the play-in, and Haliburton can stay healthy, then I think he’ll be the favorite.

arbexfernando
January 7, 2021 1:16 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

I live in Brazil, I only watch First Take and The Jump of ESPN on YouTube. Kings are only mentioned when Team Bagley says stupid things or when Amin talked some shit about Fox. Hopefully Hali will get the recognition that he deserves.

ImJoeKing
January 7, 2021 5:09 pm
Reply to  arbexfernando

I’ve had multiple NBA but non-Kings fans bring up Haliburton to me. I think he is getting some league-wide buzz, and he’s only played six games.

Maybe also helps that there’s no LeBron or Zion in this draft class sucking up all the media attention. LaMelo is the closest thing and he’s not that exciting so far. His name literally starts with “Lame.”

andy_sims
January 7, 2021 9:35 am

When I started to actually pay attention to the draft, aside from Wiseman and Edwards, Ty impressed me with his point guard skills, with his accuracy from distance as kind of a bonus. I was certain he’d go top five, and even with some surprises on draft night, couldn’t see him falling past eight.

Well, sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good, not that the Kings have ever been overwhelmed with either asset. The kid simply understands the game, his role, and adapts instantly to situational changes. He’s smart, and eager to learn.

Ty Ballgame isn’t going to lead the rookies in points, assists, or rebounds, so he won’t get close to winning ROY, but he’s a good bet to be the most complete ballplayer among the rookies by season’s end. That is more than enough.

And seriously, kudos for managing to compliment Rondo’s excellent perimeter defense while at the same time indicating that it also is selfish and of no value to the team. Really makes my want a pretzel.

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rc50cal
January 7, 2021 11:26 am
Reply to  andy_sims

I didn’t even consider the possibility he’d be available at 12. Never spent any time evaluating (or misevaluating in my case) him before the draft.

YoungSuperteam
January 7, 2021 2:06 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

I disagree that he won’t win ROY because he won’t lead in a specific category. First of all, I think Haliburton might actually lead all rookies in assists and steals by the end of the season. Even if he doesn’t, his efficiency and contributions to winning WILL be a factor in the voting. If he is at or near the top in every category, contributes to winning, and is ultra efficient, he may very well win the award. It could be a very close race. I would not trade him for any other rookie that is for sure.

andy_sims
January 7, 2021 3:08 pm
Reply to  YoungSuperteam

Well, I hope there won’t be a media campaign for it like with Evans. It’s just so undignified and needy.

RockRichmond2
January 8, 2021 4:14 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

Agreed. By the end I felt like I was actually rooting against him getting 20/5/5. I don’t think Reke ever recovered from that stupid shit, for various reasons.

Bluejohn
January 9, 2021 5:27 am
Reply to  andy_sims

You would know about that

arbexfernando
January 7, 2021 9:35 am

Playmaker, lockdown defender, clutch shooter and really good rebounder for a guard

1951
January 7, 2021 9:47 am

Feelin’ Hali excited!
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reydarly
January 7, 2021 9:57 am

He is a stat stuffer and he has so much swagger. That jumper is translating beautifully too. The best thing is that he plays within himself and is team first. When he settles in to being more aggressive scoring….look out. Steal of the draft.

RikSmits
January 7, 2021 10:14 am
Reply to  reydarly

He just plays the right way, the way team ball was intended to be played, and it is awesome to watch.

1951
January 7, 2021 10:27 am
Reply to  reydarly

He is a stat stuffer 

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SMF-PDXConnection
January 7, 2021 10:00 am

I’ll fully admit I had no idea about anything with this year’s draft. I don’t follow college ball. Given it was the summer surge of the pandemic and much bigger things were happening, I wasn’t reading draft analyses or even following the NBA bubble that much. So, on draft night, I had no expectations one way or another.

When we managed to draft Ty, the only thing I knew from perusing mocks and analyses here and on Twitter at the last minute was that we shouldn’t have been able to draft him and we did. Hopefully, I thought, this would be a good sign.

It’s rare for me to become such a big fan of someone so quickly, but this already looks like it’s Ty’s team for the taking someday in the future. This guy is going to do great things in this league, and he’s going to make his name with the Kings. What luck on our part.

Kosta
January 7, 2021 1:45 pm

Yeah, same here. This was probably the first time in awhile where I paid no attention to the draft propects. I had no idea about any of the players, so I just went with the flow when everyone was jumping for joy at the selection of Haliburton. So all of this is unexpected and welcome!

Maybe I should try this approach next season as well, since I’m a bit superstitious.

9sac8
January 7, 2021 10:09 am

Fox should pattern his game after CJ’s. Move him off ball. Ty runs the point. Now we have Dame and CJ lite. Fox would need to live in the gym though to get that jumper right. If they click, they would be nasty on defense.

YoungSuperteam
January 7, 2021 2:15 pm
Reply to  9sac8

They play nothing like Dame or CJ though. I actually think the Fox/Haliburton combo can be light years better defensively than Dame/CJ. They probably already are better on that end.

Offensively, these guys don’t have the scoring chops of those guards, and I’d be surprised if either one ends up scoring on the level of Damian Lillard. CJ has a much better jumper than Fox.

I think what we have in Fox/Hali is potentially the most unique guard duo in the NBA. Two guys who are really point guards, but one is a scoring PG and the other an all around PG who is also big enough to guards 2s and 3s. Both are quick, but one is elite level quick. One has ultra high BBIQ, and the other has elite athleticism. I’m not sure there is a current comparison. It’s like pairing Mike Conley/Dennis Schroder combo with a Jason Kidd/Ron Harper combo in the best case scenario? Very unique.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
January 7, 2021 10:11 am

Fox, Hali, and Buddy should be getting the lion’s share of the backcourt minutes. There is no reason each of them shouldn’t be getting 30+ minutes a night. In the near future I see Hali in the Bobby Jackson super sub combo guard role. He could easily spit his minutes between both guard positions. I even want to see a lineup of Fox, Hali, Buddy, Barnes and Holmes more often.

What all this means is Joseph needs to be the odd man out. He is currently getting 23 minutes per game. That needs to be reduced. With some recent PG injuries in the league I wonder if there is a market for him in places like Boston, Orlando or Memphis?

ZillersCat
January 7, 2021 10:15 am
Reply to  Adamsite

I think Hali is the Doug Christie role, with Buddy as 6th man.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
January 7, 2021 10:35 am
Reply to  ZillersCat

My only pause with that is Buddy can’t run the offense like BJax could. It would all come down to your rotations. Start Fox and Hali, then sub in Buddy for Fox, then sub in Fox for Hali. Basically I’d want one of either Fox or Hali on the floor as much as possible.

Kings are still going to need a 4th guard in that set for spot minutes and right now I’d prefer to see those go to Guy or Ramsey as opposed to Joseph getting 20+ minutes.

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Kingsguru21
January 7, 2021 11:03 am
Reply to  Adamsite

Kings are still going to need a 4th guard in that set for spot minutes and right now I’d prefer to see those go to Guy or Ramsey as opposed to Joseph getting 20+ minutes.

I would suspect that this will be the case as the season winds down. Right now as CoJo is a vet and brings more to the table than Guy does, CoJo gets those minutes. And of course, there’s the trade deadline where CoJo might fit somewhere (Boston?) for somebody.

RikSmits
January 7, 2021 11:26 am
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Yup. Seems likely.

Want2win
January 7, 2021 1:49 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

I also think having a more knowledgeable player on floor helps other like Bagley get better. Having someone that is not as polished only hurts huts like Bagley developing

rockbottom
January 7, 2021 11:50 am
Reply to  Adamsite

Tyrese needs to run the team at point with Fox off the ball as a scorer and Buddy back as 6th man ! Hali far more efficient than Fox as a playmaker ! It will become obvious very soon !

RORDOG
January 7, 2021 1:10 pm
Reply to  Adamsite

The thing is the Kings starters are actually playing well so far! That 5-man lineup has a net rating of +14.5 in 91 minutes this season. I think there’s some value in keeping Haliburton as the sixth man if the starters can continue to outplay their opponents.

MichaelMack
January 7, 2021 3:00 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

And that number is with Bagley’s mediocre play and Buddy in a shooting slump.

I think Walton has done some interesting things with subbing Fox out so early, and blending the guard play. I do wish that GRIII got a few more wing minutes at CoJo’s expense.

Marty
January 7, 2021 10:16 am

Great article Tim. Not just one of the best Kings draft picks ever, but one of the best draft picks in the last five years or so in the entire NBA. I’m biased to team basketball, I’ll admit, so I find his ability to just step right in to a complicated league and EXCEL to be downright miraculous.

This…

Haliburton has also shown a knack for constantly disrupting opposing team’s passing lanes.

When I watched Thybulle’s early play I was absolutely STUNNED at his ability to disrupt passing lanes. He became in my mind one of the best defenders in the NBA overnight. I’ve never seen anything like that from a rookie, and never thought I’d see anything like it again, and yet, here we are.

(Long post from a guy who couldn’t concentrate on the game last night, family in DC and MD roots and all)

BuffaloDiaspora
January 7, 2021 10:50 am
Reply to  Marty

Speaking of Thybulle, why is he playing less than 12 minutes per games right now? The rumors were that he was completely off the table in any off-season Buddy trade discussions which led to an impasse and now the guy is barely seeing the floor…

Marty
January 7, 2021 11:04 am

They filled holes on offense and he’s the odd man out. He’s been reduced to defensive specialist and even then minutes are tough. They’re real high on a rejuvenated Harris, Curry, Milton, and Maxey. In fact Maxey is quietly having himself a nice rookie season.

MichaelMack
January 7, 2021 3:01 pm
Reply to  Marty

I think they scored drafting Maxey. He looks like he is going to be a very good player.

rc50cal
January 7, 2021 11:36 am

Kings FO should call Philly and make a reasonable offer.

PretendGhost
January 7, 2021 1:11 pm
Reply to  rc50cal

Give’m Buddy and a future 2nd, maybe they’ll bite

andy_sims
January 7, 2021 3:10 pm
Reply to  PretendGhost

Hah, a starter shooting 41% for his career from three and a second-rounder for a guy glued to the bench. Damned right they’d bite.

I love Thybulle, I just don’t think it’d take all that to get him.

Marty
January 7, 2021 6:15 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

Nope.

January 7, 2021 8:44 pm
Reply to  rc50cal

Monte calling his former boss in Philly:

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Kant2020
January 7, 2021 10:20 am

Tyrese Haliburton is going to be our best player by next season. If we can draft one more player of Haliburton’s caliber, preferably a wing player, we’ll be a playoff team.

RORDOG
January 7, 2021 10:28 am

one thing I’m monitoring is Fox’s catch & shoot 3P%. Currently, he’s 5 of 11 (45.5%), but he was at 33.3% last season. This team will really be cooking with fish grease if Haliburton can handle a lot of the point guard chores to free up Fox as a scorer that’s a legitimate catch and shoot threat.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
January 7, 2021 10:31 am
Reply to  RORDOG

Interesting. With his quickness he could become an excellent cutter and off ball screen for a catch and shoot. Basically run off ball screens for Fox that have been reserved for Buddy and the Kings might net the rewards.

9sac8
January 7, 2021 11:23 am
Reply to  Adamsite

Great minds…

LandParkJimmer
January 7, 2021 10:32 am

He is a joy to watch play. Plays smart, doesn’t force plays, and has more self- confidence than most of the Kings. An upgrade from Bogi imo – cheaper, younger, and driven. Can’t wait to see how he develops over then next few years.

sonny
January 7, 2021 12:04 pm
Reply to  LandParkJimmer

He plays like Magic. And the first to celebrate when his passes lead to points as shown by his reaction to Buddy’s late 3. Reminds me of Magic’s first game and first NBA win ever, when Kareem”s buzzer-beater, patented hook shot beat the San Diego Clippers in 1979. He ran to Kareem and hugged him for minutes as if they have won the champioship! Although Kareem was quick to remind him that it was just the first of 82 games! But Magic’s winning attitude and team mindset were already showcased then. These qualities are never recorded on the stat lines but clearly Haliburton have them!

He’s undoubtedly a hell of an upgrade to Bogi just for the fact that Hali is never tentative with his decisions. Bogi (and other facilitators) oftentimes tend to take an extra 2-5 seconds before he can see the right plays. But Hali is almost always one play ahead.

Watch the 7:30 mark of the 3rd qtr last nite. He was at the baseline between the goal and the corner three, got a pass from Holmes and in a nanosecond whiffed the ball to a wide open Bagkey beyond the arc. He already knew that Bagley is open even before Holmes passed the ball to him. It was a good pass that led to a better pass for an assist. Fun to watch and great display of BBIQ that we have been lacking for a long time.

Tyrese Haliburton will be our next star.

andy_sims
January 7, 2021 12:28 pm
Reply to  sonny

This overemphasis on a player’s display of situational enthusiasm or lack thereof, is just needless bias to dump on players whose responses don’t conform to your own expectations.

Barry Sanders, one of the greatest running backs in history, scored dozens of touchdowns, and walked over to the ref and handed him the football almost every time. No dancing, no practiced routines, just business. Hell, Kawhi Leonard is as good as they get, and you rarely get any outward showing of emotion with him. Does it diminish his greatness?

sonny
January 7, 2021 1:24 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

With due respect Andy, I didn’t mean to overemphasize, I just liked what I noticed last nite as it brought back memories of Magic’s first NBA foray.

Don’t get me wrong, Barry Samders is one of my favorite athletes of all time in all sports. He is the epitome of “humility in greatness”.
I too have always praised Kahwi’s demeanor when discussing NBA with my buddies. He makes a great, game changing shot and barely shows emotion.
I’m with you on that respect.

It’s just that energy and enthusiasm is more contagious imho.
I think most often than not, a team feeds off of that.
But between a pair of great athletes, I can take either way.

Let us just hope Hali continues to help the team win games!

andy_sims
January 7, 2021 3:16 pm
Reply to  sonny

No argument from me, I just don’t think that a naturally unemotive player should force emotion.

That reminded me of a time in high school where I took a guy deep (a rare occurrence), and as I was rounding third, the coach there remarked, “it’s okay to smile, you know.” I couldn’t tell you what was on my mind at that moment, but I wasn’t about to perform on demand.

You may have noticed a contrarian streak in me. I promise it’s not just for its own sake.

oshima9
January 7, 2021 1:02 pm
Reply to  sonny

“He plays like Magic.”

Exactly what I’ve been thinking over the last day or so. Except that he’s a great defender, too.

I also see a lot of Larry Bird in him as well. Always in the right place at the right time doing the right thing. His intuitive feel for the game is extraordinary.

 

RikSmits
January 7, 2021 2:02 pm
Reply to  oshima9

Can I get a Wilt? Anyone? Pistol Pete, then?

oshima9
January 7, 2021 2:29 pm
Reply to  RikSmits

I’ll give you a Dennis Johnson. Is that good enough?

eddie41
January 7, 2021 4:48 pm
Reply to  RikSmits

We could be more succinct and just call him the perfect blend of every player on the Dream Team.

GFunkClassic
January 7, 2021 4:35 pm
Reply to  oshima9

I’ve been characterizing him as a Magic/Pippen hybrid.

NorCalKingsFan
January 7, 2021 6:20 pm
Reply to  GFunkClassic

Burt reminds me more of Pippen than Magic. He is a do-everything-well player whose sum is greater than his individual parts.

rockbottom
January 7, 2021 6:36 pm
Reply to  NorCalKingsFan

More Pippen like for certain ! Hope he can become 80% that level player !

Ralph_Furleys_Tailor
January 7, 2021 10:33 am

A great write up is one that is objective and tries to use the advanced metrics to help quantify what my eyes are seeing.

i don’t how much Hali’s game improves in the next few years, but having a mature game now is nothing to be ashamed of.

Thanks for all the hard work.

eddie41
January 7, 2021 10:36 am

I’m not sure why, but a player that’s been popping in my head while watching Haliburton is Kevin Johnson when he was at Cal.

RikSmits
January 7, 2021 10:55 am
Reply to  eddie41

His all-around game on both offense and (especially) defense makes me think of Alvin Robertson.

MichaelMack
January 7, 2021 3:05 pm
Reply to  RikSmits

He does have those same quick hands, doesn’t he. Interesting comp.

Sacto_J
January 7, 2021 10:54 am

Effort. I looked it up in my dictionary this morning and there was a picture of Tyrese Haliburton and a link to his youtube channel.
Unselfish. I looked it up in my dictionary this morning and there was a picture of Tyrese Haliburton and a link to his youtube channel.
Useless. I looked it up in my dictionary this morning and there was a picture of my dictionary. Being held by Marvin Bagley’s dad.

Want2win
January 7, 2021 1:54 pm
Reply to  Sacto_J

I loved the last one.. I am hard on MB3 but do hope he starts to get it..

RORDOG
January 7, 2021 11:07 am

One thing that’s slightly OT, but I think is tangentially related is Bagley’s made shots last nights. Here’s the shot types: putback, c&s three, alley oop, putback, 4 ft 2P jump shot, c&s three, c&s three, alley oop.

If Bagley can just focus on opportunistic scoring, and improved guard play can provide Bagley with high quality opportunities, then he can consistently be a net positive on offense.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
January 7, 2021 11:14 am
Reply to  RORDOG

So not one of his made shots came out of him taking the ball down low with his back to the basket? Also no one on one contests? All came within the flow of the offense.

RORDOG
January 7, 2021 11:20 am
Reply to  Adamsite

He made one shot in transition off of a Haliburton pass. He caught it at the three point line, and did a little euro step and banked it in the second quarter. It probably wasn’t the best shot since he was defended well, but it went in.

RobHessing
January 7, 2021 11:18 am

How in the hell did this kid drop to 12? It’s as though there was a team of Vlade’s picking before the Kings.

I have visions of Haliburton developing into a killer. With some added strength he could add a consistent step-back three to his arsenal, and impose his will even more forcefully on the defensive end.

Looks like luck and smarts converged for the Kings this past draft. Hoping for more of the same moving forward.

1951
January 7, 2021 11:32 am
Reply to  RobHessing

It’s not an unfamiliar story in the NBA, just one that doesn’t usually benefit the Kings!

Kawhi fell to 15. Giannis fell to 15. Booker at 13. Sabonis at 11. Jimmer at 10. Mitchell at 12. Bam at 14. PapaG at 13.

rc50cal
January 7, 2021 11:38 am
Reply to  1951

Tears are my only response to your list.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
January 7, 2021 11:41 am
Reply to  1951

Wait, are you saying we should shoot for the late lottery this year? 😉

Bluejohn
January 9, 2021 5:41 am
Reply to  1951

There’s 2 names on that list that aren’t like the others. For the life of me I can’t figure which 2. Low BBIQ

Kingsguru21
January 7, 2021 11:37 am
Reply to  RobHessing

I think a lot of what it is is that he’s not a game changing superstar potentially, he’s just a phenomenal fit as a NBA player who is the ultimate swiss army knife (it’s stunning how much better he is than Bogi; with no shade being thrown at Bogi intended I assure you) on both ends outside of being that physical specimen who can impose his will on the game that way.

I think what we’re seeing is the biproduct of several things. One is that of all the teams in the lottery, the Kings are the best fit. And two, Tyrese Hallburton is checking all of those boxes from the jump.

It’s mind boggling, but I love it. Fuck it, we’ve earned this!

oshima9
January 7, 2021 1:08 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

I think he is likely to become a game changing superstar, but not in the way that we are used to seeing. He looks like, to use Pat Riley’s phrase, a “basketball assassin”, a player with a killer instinct to make plays that win games, but one with an amazing versatility and feel for the game. The fact that he executes at a high level on both ends of the floor gives him a very high ceiling. He’s potentially a 1st or 2nd team NBA All Star and All Defensive team, and those kinds of players are extremely rare. Even Doncic, for all his greatness, will never be a great defender.

Kingsguru21
January 7, 2021 6:45 pm
Reply to  oshima9

Love Tyrese Halliburton, but I’ll be shocked if any of this becomes true. Unless he does a Jason Kidd type of triple double every night, then I can see it. But that’s a very rare thing for a reason.

MichaelMack
January 7, 2021 3:09 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

He has been reminding me of a young Grant Hill in his ability to be very good at every aspect of the game. It will be interesting to see how he matures physically, but he certainly seems like an incredibly easy player to build with.

Kingsguru21
January 7, 2021 6:47 pm
Reply to  MichaelMack

That’s an interesting comp, Mike, but I’ll say this: Hill scored more. Alot more.

Carl
January 7, 2021 7:18 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Brandon Roy.

ForKingsandCountry
January 7, 2021 4:00 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

We have REALLY earned this. Not the organization but the fans. WE have earned this.

Kingsguru21
January 7, 2021 6:50 pm

Exactly FK&C.

Bluejohn
January 9, 2021 5:46 am
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Nate, what can I say mayne, when you’re right you’re right. And when you’re wrong……………not that that ever happens.

rockbottom
January 7, 2021 11:58 am
Reply to  RobHessing

Happens every draft that top players go late in first round ! Klay at 11, Kwahi at 15 Giannis at 16, , Butler at 30 and Jokic in second rd ! Forgot Booker and D Mitchell, Gobert late firsts ! Every year !

WizsSox
January 7, 2021 12:35 pm
Reply to  rockbottom

Your right always are some…I think what is so surprising about this, is that Hali was projected to go top 5-6. All the guys above were not projected that high except maybe Kawhi. The shocking part to me feels that he fell into the Kings lap : )

BuffaloDiaspora
January 7, 2021 2:10 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

The 2017 draft was ridiculously loaded in the lottery – Mitchell probably would have gone much higher in most other years.

Euro-prospects are weird – I still don’t think the NBA has a good handle on how to scout them, particularly with bigs.

andy_sims
January 7, 2021 3:20 pm

Every GM in the league other than the one who grew up in that region seemed to have a handle on Doncic.

ForKingsandCountry
January 7, 2021 4:02 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

During the draft as he kept falling I was in total disbelief. I could not believe this kid wasn’t a top-5 pick. It was just so obvious if you watched him at all. He just does everything so well and sees the game at such a high level I really thought it was going to be nearly impossible for him to fail.

GFunkClassic
January 7, 2021 5:45 pm
Reply to  RobHessing

I’m thinking it’s at least partially because Iowa State took a solid step back in his 2nd year, and he wasn’t able to finish the season due to injury. He missed the last 9 or 10 games, and wasn’t able to showcase during tournament time, where players make their names. While many analysis and stuff had him a top 7 type player, maybe there just wasn’t recent taste of how he really can effect games. Also heard things about him and his agent were telling teams not to pick him up, and he wanted to fall to the Kings…but that doesn’t sound very reasonable to me, as much as I love the Kings. Also there were questions his funky looking jump shot would translate to the NBA, visions of Lonzo in there heads . There were some offseason training videos that leaked online kinda throwing shade on his form, and supposed new mechanics. Whatever it is, it’s a godsend that he fell. Dude’s got it.

causalfan
eurostep
January 7, 2021 11:18 am

I’ll be very interested to see how he plays once teams figure out his game and start to go at him offensively and defensively. Will he be able to raise his game to the next level?

Adamsite
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Nostradumbass 14
January 7, 2021 11:43 am
Reply to  eurostep

I agree, he is still an unknown and I think teams aren’t ready for him, especially his defensive instincts. I highly doubt he is apart of opponents game plans right now. Word will get out and he will need to adjust.

KingsSince85
January 7, 2021 11:57 am
Reply to  Adamsite

And that’s when fox and Hield will need to step up their game… If defenses are focusing on Tyrese, then things will open up for other guards (at least theoretically).

andy_sims
January 7, 2021 12:31 pm
Reply to  KingsSince85

If defenses are focusing on Ty, that’s a contribution to the Kings offense on its own.

Kingsguru21
January 7, 2021 6:41 pm
Reply to  andy_sims

Exactly.

RikSmits
January 7, 2021 11:55 am
Reply to  eurostep

Let’s jump off that bridge when we get there, okay?

causalfan
eurostep
January 7, 2021 12:20 pm
Reply to  RikSmits

Thanks for the feedback, okay.

rc50cal
January 7, 2021 11:25 am

Stay healthy. Avoid the wall. Keep playing so well that Joseph only finds the floor during garbage time. Collect trophy.

andy_sims
January 7, 2021 3:22 pm
Reply to  rc50cal

At the same time, he’s never played more than thirty-five games in a season. The rookie wall is real, physically and mentally. I think he’s good for 30-35 minutes a night, but sitting him during blowouts, or limiting his minutes in a back-to-back situation might be prudent.

rockbottom
January 7, 2021 11:45 am

Tyrese is a better playmaker and facilitator than Fox today !

1951
January 7, 2021 11:52 am
Reply to  rockbottom

Am I misreading this or is it a jab at Fox?

If so, can we just be happy about having more than one young competent NBA asset/prospect? It’s okay that they have different skill sets … at least I think, though I am no expert!

If not, carry on because Hali’s playmaking is so far ahead of the curve!

rockbottom
January 7, 2021 6:41 pm
Reply to  1951

Not meant as a jab except in the sense of Fox being more scorer than true playmaker and ease of ball movement ! Seems Tyrese has that over a very gifted athlete like Fox !

oshima9
January 7, 2021 1:10 pm
Reply to  rockbottom

I don’t read it as a jab at Fox. Haliburton just sees the floor better in ways few players can.

CarinaM707
January 7, 2021 12:01 pm

All Hail Hali!

It is so fun to watch Hali play. Him and fox are a great complement to one another!
ROY in my eyes as of now.

NickS
January 7, 2021 12:15 pm

How often have we rolled out a Fox-Buddy-Hali-Barnes-Holmes/Whiteside line up? I believe I’ve seen it a handful of times and I dig it.

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jlandweh
January 7, 2021 12:37 pm

“Potential gets you beat” is a very old adage that is true. However; its very appealing to look at the potential of the Kings and salivate. If Bagley can become consistent and healthy (which is a BIG IF), there is a young core on this team that might be together for a long time. It comes down to development, making the salaries work, and buy in.

Imagine 8 years of development of-

Fox (23-30)
Haliburton (20-28)
Bagley (21-29)
Holmes (27-35)
Barnes (28-36)
Hield (28-36)
Draft Pick (unknown)

Tunel_21
January 7, 2021 1:31 pm
Reply to  jlandweh

I always forget that Buddy and Barnes are the same age.

1951
January 7, 2021 1:35 pm
Reply to  Tunel_21

Sometimes those things are hard to believe, like Gianis being two years younger than Buddy and me being the same age as Carmichael Dave. It can’t be right, it just can’t!

Kosta
January 7, 2021 1:39 pm
Reply to  1951

You were both born in 1951?

1951
January 7, 2021 1:41 pm
Reply to  Kosta

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BestHyperboleEver
January 8, 2021 12:14 pm
Reply to  jlandweh

I give it about a 30% chance that those guys are all still on the team next season. The chances that more than half of them are still on the team even 2-3 years from now are pretty slim. Personally, I think that’s probably a good thing. Obviously, depending who comes and goes and the circumstances.

Kosta
January 7, 2021 12:41 pm

Exc-Halibur?

Take your rightful place, King.
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HaliComet
January 7, 2021 12:57 pm

In my opinion he is much better than Tyreke Evans was as a rookie on defense. His instincts are so natural. Also, we have seen how he is not shy in big moments.

1951
January 7, 2021 1:18 pm

I had to do it. I took an oath as a Kings fan …I had to!

Last edited 3 months ago by 1951
L-Train3.1
January 7, 2021 8:01 pm
Reply to  1951

Say what you will about his basketball decisions, but Vivek the person has not made a single mistake as an owner off the court. I am proud to have him as the Sacramento Kings Majority Owner.

Kosta
January 7, 2021 1:36 pm

OT:

I missed the opportunity to be a part of that thread yesterday concerning the insane events of the day.

Just want to say to everyone please check on your children. My wife is a teacher and she is giving them the floor (on WebX) to speak their minds today and talk about their feelings. This particular class I’m currently overhearing are 12 year olds, and they are in pain.

“….how cruel this world really is…”, said one of the students through tears.

Is it not a tragedy that a 12-year old is saying things like that at that age?

These children are speaking to each other about their feelings so intelligently about what is going on. They sound more intelligent and informed than many adults I’ve heard who talked about yesterday’s events.

All through their passionate (and angry) speeches, they are crying together, consoling one another, and reaching out to each other.

If you haven’t talked to your kids about what is going on, at least ask them how they’re doing, listen to them and let them speak freely. They may very well be depressed.

Rant over/carry on…

Enjoyed the game yesterday and loved Haliburton and Holmes.

Last edited 3 months ago by Kosta
oshima9
January 7, 2021 2:34 pm
Reply to  Kosta

Thanks for the insight. My middle school aged son is a lefty kid. So, fortunately in a way, sad in another, he’s not that shocked.

KGB-Ball
January 7, 2021 5:27 pm
Reply to  Kosta

Inthestarz having a field day with the dislike button

Want2win
January 7, 2021 1:41 pm

I’m sure it’s been said below but my fear is that he won’t win because so much of what he does well is not a “ traditional counting stat”.. I am blown away at how well he’s doing especially without summer league and an extended training camp, I’m also on record as saying I’m not sure why everybody so excited about a player who is the 12th pick in what’s considered a week draft. I never would’ve guessed that he would’ve been this effective this soon he’s a pure joy to watch.

Great write up

Gregoryl
January 7, 2021 1:47 pm

Thread Jack: Carmichael Dave talking with Sam Amick this AM, and not saying good things about Joe Dumars. Sounds much like Chris Mullin 2.0, getting in Vivek’s head and making life difficult for the FA.

RikSmits
January 7, 2021 2:07 pm
Reply to  Gregoryl

Oh, surprise surprise.

FairOaksBob
January 7, 2021 1:49 pm

I mean if Bagley were to develop into a good player, with Fox and Hali’s exceptional playmaking, maybe we end up being better off without having drafted Luka? Maybe?

WizsSox
January 7, 2021 1:55 pm
Reply to  FairOaksBob

I’d trade all three right now at this moment for Luka…I couldn’t call it in to the league fast enough.

That being said De’Aaron would have still been on the team if Luka was drafted. So the “better off” question is really would you want Fox, Luka and say Josh Green or Precious Achiuwa from this draft as your 3 or Bagley, Fox and Hali. I think it’s pretty clear what most would prefer.

If you like the second group in that, then that’s the only way you get to a “better off” conclusion.

Last edited 3 months ago by WizsSox
BestHyperboleEver
January 8, 2021 10:52 am
Reply to  WizsSox

Eh, I love Haliburton as much as anyone, but you’re always better off having the All-NBA, fringe MVP 21-year-old.

TheGrantNapear
January 7, 2021 1:56 pm
Reply to  FairOaksBob

Lol is this a joke??

GFunkClassic
January 8, 2021 9:30 am
Reply to  FairOaksBob

I could see it. I think Halliburton’s play contributes more to winning than Doncic’s. They’re kind of opposites in lots of ways. Doncic needs the ball in his hands always, Halliburton does not. Doncic has an extremely high usage rate. Halliburton has very low usage rate. Doncic has lots of assists, lots of turnovers. Halliburton has a good amount of assists, very little turnovers. Doncic is a below average 3 point shooter. Halliburton is above average. Donicic is a below average defender, Halliburton is an above average defender that could blossom into an elite defender. Doncic will eat a box of twinkies and gain 10 lbs, Halliburton will eat a box of twinkies and lose a pound.