According to James Ham of NBCS, the Sacramento Kings will retain Head Coach Luke Walton heading into the 2021-2022 NBA season.
According to a league source, Luke Walton will continue as head coach of the Sacramento Kings next season.
— James Ham (@James_HamNBA) May 17, 2021
In two seasons with the Kings, Walton has compiled a 62-82 record and has missed the playoffs and play-in tournament in both years. And despite many questioning his job security throughout the entire season, it’s clear he earned the trust of his players, as De’Aaron Fox, Tyrese Haliburton, and Harrison Barnes all recently spoke up in favor of their leader. The decision to retain Walton marks Monte McNair’s second critical decision as Sacramento’s General Manger after drafting Tyrese Haliburton last fall, although many are much more skeptical of this choice.
Walton has two years left on his original four-year contract with the Kings.
Fucking Joke. Was hoping it actually was……
How? Why? Pure, unadulterated idiocy. Obviously Vivek has not given up power.
Bringing back same coach and team that didn’t even make the playin, coming off a horrible season the previous year…..great idea.
I honestly just don’t care anymore about this crap-scarfing team. They suck year after year. The only reason I’ve stayed around is the KingsHerald crowd. Cool, the Kings stayed. Too bad they still suck just as bad as ever.
I don’t care that Hali and Fox throw their support behind Lose Walton. Point me to a “player coach” that wins championships that a monkey with cymbals couldn’t have led that team to a championship (here’s looking at you, Kerr).
Whatever. The apathy will continue to mount. If this was Monte’s choice, I have no faith in him. If it was Vivek’s choice, he really needs to get the F out of the way and let people with actual basketball knowledge do their job.
The Kings Herald and the community here is the ONLY reason these days I’m connected in anyway with the Kings. If it hadn’t been for the website I wouldn’t be following anything with them right now.
Seriously. It’s such a tragedy, honestly. Such a devoted fanbase, left in the crapper by the team and management.
Vivek doesn’t care. Why should we?
What the fuck is Monte McNair thinking ?
There is lots of good coaches out there, and is way better than Walton…….
I just don’t see the reason he is staying, except the financial reason.
Should #HereWeBillboard be rise again ?ã
(i.e. Fire Luke Walton / We Want Kenny Atkinson / We Want Becky Hammon)
We definitely need a billboard and some type of Embarrassment for Vivek/way to get him to back off.
I seriously doubt this was McNair decision because that would make him an idiot. I’d put my money on the decision being made-pushed by the real idiot.
I don’t think I’ll watch/follow until something changes.
Pretty sure the king will field a collection of people we will refer to as a “team” next year. They will be embarrassment enough.
For any embarrassment it would need to happen around a nationally televised game. My guess is that wont be until late in the season and by that point Luke may be gone.
Sadly this is also on McNair…he accepted the position knowing all that comes with working for Vivek.
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Monte McNair isn’t thinking anything.
He’s carrying out ownership’s instructions. It’s becoming pretty clear that’s exactly what he was hired to do.
Hard pass on Becky Hammon. First female NBA head coach deserves a real opportunity to be successful. Not some bullshit clusterfuck situation reporting to an arrogant and dismissive little chap
I’m out.
Not a dollar more of my money and not a second more of my time until something actually changes. They end up breaking the drought next season? Great! I’ll eat crow and take the label of fairweather fan with as much grace as someone who has followed this franchise for over 20 years can.
This is fucking stupid, and this front office is a laughing stock. I’m done.
Breaking: I will not be retained as a fan.
Hope to gosh I’m wrong but it looks like we’ll break the playoff-less streak next year. I won’t be around to watch.
Taking a break. At least for the year, maybe longer if Luke is still the coach.
This is about money. It has to be.
No coach should be allowed to keep their job after so much losing and historically bad defense.
If it’s about money it is penny-wise, pound-foolish. You let this guy in charge of your most valuable assets, your players? Dumb and short-sighted.
If the Kings were truly concerned with money, might I suggest…..putting a watchable product on television?
A winning percentage under Walton that equates to a 35 win season (out of 82 games). Hell, give him an extension!
I’ll call it now. The playoff drought record will belong solely to the Kings, and it may not stop at sixteen seasons.
Nice arena, though. It won’t see one penny of my money.
In Sacramento they accept failure and embrace it. Walton was brought in to “take the team to the next level” and has only proceeded to make them worse for 2 years and yet they want to run it back again for a 3rd year. Comical
‘take the team to the next level’ – apparently, they meant the next level down in the basement. success!
We can own that record by ourselves if we miss the playoffs next year. Why not root for being the best of the worst ever?
I absolutely get it. This is completely expected when it comes to being an unfortunate fan of one of the worst, if not the worst run pro sports franchise. We deserve better and this franchise just refuses to give it to us. I’ve long since taken the apathetic approach towards this team the last 6 or so years now, so this decision doesn’t upset me as it’s just one of many typical Kings embarrassments.
I’ll continue to root for individual players and also hope those said players can get away from this franchise so their careers can truly blossom. Guys like Fox and Haliburton don’t deserve to rot away in basketball hell
From what it sounds like, Fox and Hali are part of maintaining Basketball Hell.
Walton is a players coach, so I totally get why they like him. Their thoughts on him should have had no bearing on the FO decision to keep him.
Yep, if you can get paid enormous sums of money to cruise the season with zero repercussions, I think many players would prefer that path.
I mean, these guys may well think they can win by focusing on offense, and that the defense will magically come around. But I don’t know what they are seeing at the defensive end of the floor from this coaching staff that gives them confidence.
If I were a player (and if I really and truly “wanted to win”), I’d prefer a defensive minded coaching staff, and work under the assumption that the offense could be maintained, or at least the dropoff would be minimal.
Small sample size with this roster, but my guess is that defensive-minded coaches are much less fun to play for than coaches that let them stuff their offensive stat lines, hold no one accountable, and gush about them to the media.
I’ve been apathetic since the play-in last year.
FUCK IT, WE DON’T DESERVE THIS
The sad thing is that the fans don’t even ask for a lot. The two moments of Vivek’s era where we were trending in the right direction and he cans the coach. We are well past the point of “be patient.”
This franchise has no plans on appeasing its fans.
There are definitely coaches available that are better than Luke Walton.
There is definitely one that can be hired to run this team.
They definitely know the fan base has always had disdain for Luke Walton since his hire.
Yet, here we are, learning that he’s being retained after 2 insanely disappointing seasons.
I have no interest in giving this franchise any more of my money or time until they figure out a way to make this team better.
Monte better do more than draft a no brainer that fell in his lap. He better do more than let a fan favorite walk for nothing. He better start making some decisions, I was going to say “tough” decisions, but I’ll settle for any decision. Because he hasn’t done anything to improve this team.
They also know this is a fan base where the majority are still just happy the team stayed. That place where having the Kings is #1, and having a winning team is distant second. That mentality is a big reason that we’re in this position we are.
When I’ve had discussions (both IRL and online) about voting with my wallet, the go to response is, more often than not, “and then Vivek will just move the team”. It’s battered-fan syndrome, and it goes back almost 3 decades now. I get the feeling that our only hope is to luck into another playoff run like we did during the turn of the century.
Yeah I hear what you’re saying,but I’m not too afraid of them leaving. You don’t build a state of the art arena just to remove the main event.
If you think of his 3 big decisions so far as being: not resigning Bogi, keeping Luke and his trade deadline moves, you could say that at least 2/3 of those were the lazy path to take.
What can I do but just laugh?
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When I saw Breaking and a photo of Luke Walton I got so excited. Only for that excitement to body slam me down to earth after reading the headline a second time. I refuse to believe this is Monte. Why would he want so many of Vlade’s failed holdovers?
I had the exact same reaction too when I first saw the red banner.
I watched highlights of the 2018 season to make myself feel better. It didn’t work.
I am not at all surprised. Not pleased but not surprised.
I do like, I think, most of the assistants. Except not sure about Jesse.
Not at all sure what this means except that more years of not even mediocrety
This was 100% about money.
no joke, I’ve already given up for next season. The Kings will suck again. He’s not a good coach.
basketball hell, it is.
Just wait for the vitriol when Holmes walks for nothing this summer. Things around here may get very ugly.
If Holmes walks, McNair will deserve every bit of vitriol he gets. If you’re not going to re-sign the guy, deal him at the deadline. Most of the fans on this site understand that much. It doesn’t matter that no one would have given us a lot for Holmes. McNair should at minimum understand the optics of throwing away an asset on a bad team by a guy in his first GM job working for a meddling owner. And if he doesn’t, he will.
No possible way Holmes’s agent allows him to stay on this shit team.
Covid may have taken a lot of lives, but at least it saved one spoiled kid’s job!
Its completely about money. Walton has a “no stretch” clause in his contract, meaning they would have to pay him his full amount when they let him go. This team already seems cash strapped, so Im Vivek has no problem keeping the POS rather than paying him out.
Life of a Kings fan!
Told you. Kings have an arena. Winning is irrelevant if it affects the bottom line. I will be laughing at the vulgar loser andy sims.
Not cool calling out another member of this community. Take that shit elsewhere.
To be fair, Andy Sims has been rather persnickety and combative of late.
So what? Calling out another member of this site not in direct conversation with said member is weak move and looking for confrontation. Bill pulls this bait crap all the time. So I’ll call it as it is…in the thread he started.
Watching the seventh grade comments and threats of more comments is more entertaining than the Kangz.
When someone tells me to eff off using the actual words, he earned my disdain. I appreciate you being vulgar as well.
Well, I’d tell you what my experience tells me about people who concoct a big dog-and-pony show over being offended by peepee poopoo words, but I wouldn’t want be labeled vulgar.
Really, personally I am able to restrain myself from such words unless I have been in the midst of actual physical danger.
But I suppose this forum may be your idea of you being dangerous.
LOL, you drop as much “Billy Badass” around here as anyone.
I’m sure everyone finds you quite intimidating.
“Dangerous?” Who is trying to be “dangerous” here?
What a weird fucking thing to say.
Your quote from your interaction with Andy the other day.
For someone who doesn’t pay attention to internet warriors, you certainly gave it your attention a full two days later.
It’s almost as if you seem, what’s the word…triggered???
You went back over two days of posts to find that comment? I appreciate that you are one of my fans. You need me to make your life more interesting.
Took about 2 mins. I remembered exactly where it was because, I had taken great pleasure in Andy being so vulgar towards you because it was well deserved.
So yes big fan here…seems you have a lot of them. Enjoy your TKH celebrity status.
I understand I am the flame. It is clear what you are.
Every time I see your user name on the comments section I cringe. Every comment you make is framed in a better-than-you, antagonistic perspective. You’re not here to engage in conversation and banter, you’re here to feel tough and smart. You’re trolling and you know it. Don’t get mad when you get called out or someone else plays your own game on you.
I was going to write something really nasty about this, but I decided to just shut up.
Not a surprise. Brass rational will be the following: We solidified the bench at the trade deadline. The team played much better down the stretch. Expecially, with some key players out. Vivek believes this team is on the cusp of at at least a play in, Right?
The Kings really can’t make any major moves with very few assets. No GM will touch Buddy Hield. His contact and BBIQ make him untradeable. Barnes is a year older and his decline might start next year. Holmes is probably gone. Too be honest. I love Holmes energy and fire. But, is he a playff type Big. Not really. I would love Enes Kantor. But, he would never end up here. It makes too much sense. A Nice Draft pick in the Top 4 would help a little.
Vivek is banking on this lineup and this remodeled bench being able to compete. No, the Kings won’t be terrible. Mediocre is the high watermark. They simply don’t have enough GUns to compete in the West. Could they improve 5-6 games. Absolutely. But, if the play in or first round sweep is considered success, then an extension for Walton will be on the table. That’s why there is No Hot Seat for Walton.
Literally, improve the win total a few games and you’re Golden.
This offseason will be like all the rest. Rumors, Rumblings, and Basketball trade soap opera.
Come October, Kings are going to roll most of this lineup back again. Hoping for different results. Same Shizzle Every Year.
3rd critical decision…letting Bogi walk for nothing after a botched trade (especially after the way he’s been playing) is definitely one.
This reeks of Vivek meddling either because of money or liking former players/names. The players can only vouch for so much. At some point, results and playing identity need to factor in to the decision.
Bad move.
I’d love for some superior basketball mind to explain this one to me while convincing me it doesn’t have something to do with financials. Many of you know my thoughts and theories on this and it has little to do with winning and more about the bottom line.
Fuck you Vivek.
It’s quite simple, the players and organization like him. He has the best winning percentage of any coach since Adelman, and he’s been coaching with a positive attitude and player development plan throughout COVID.
That “best winning percentage” line I keep hearing feels like it’s straight out of the Kings propaganda machine.
He inherited a 39 win team with the 18th best net rating in the league, and the team has subsequently played worse each season.
The best winning percentage since Adelman. So, a few thousandths of a percentage point higher than all of the other sub-.500 seasons? After the second time in his career overseeing a 30th-best defense, across different teams?
Jesus.
Walton turned a .476 team into a .431 team, and then made zero improvement the following season, in spite of career years of three separate core rotation players.
His best winning percentage since Adelman is almost as worthless as Bagley’s never ending potential.
There was a player development plan? I thought we were still at the tape-watching phase
That’s the billboard right there. Or T-shirt.
Fuck you Vivek
Feels good to say it/type it.
I am disgusted and utterly unsurprised. Next, watch them roll out the same team as last year, minus Holmes.
I think 100% that is what it is going to be. The Metu, Jones, Bagley, and (insert vet minimum big) front court is our fate.
TBH, I really like Richaun and hope we keep him, but not at an overpay. He does many things well. Many of those things can be achieved by the front court you listed; somethings Richaun is not as effective at as Metu-Jones-Bagley (Jones and defending big Bigs, Metu and SSS/recency hitting 3s ). One player worth a big payday needs to do all those things. If the MLE will keep Richaun, I think we should.
Absolutely right. All the talk about how to retain Holmes has been a waste of energy. He will 100% leave this team this summer. He’s a smart guy, which is why he says he loves Sacramento when asked, and why he will be playing for a functional franchise next year.
Simple. Bad basketball franchises make bad decisions about basketball.
This site should expand! Give us all a second team to discuss. Let’s collectively bandwagon!!
One vote for Toronto!
The Kings can be our American team, and Toronto our international team.
Who’s with me???
The slow-motion trainwreck continues.
Only the Kangz would rather flush $100+ million of payroll down the toilet (along with another year of Fox/Hali/et al’s careers) in another wasted season than acknowledge that the Luke Walton experiment is a failure and pay a few extra million to dump him and get a real coach.
I’m not sure that even the brilliant and amazing TKH community could keep me engaged if this news is really true.
I’ll play devil’s advocate here. Let me get the record straight I was also expecting and hoping for Walton to get the boot.
And now to the advocating.
-For those saying why keep Walton another year when he hasn’t had success, what kind of expectations did you have for this team? We’re you fooled (as I was) during the 3 short stretches of winning basketball this team played? We have a bottom 10 roster in terms of talent. This team performed as expected with Fox and Hali making leaps throughout the season and of lesser importance, Holmes and Barnes as well.
-The defense was the worst in NBA history and that in and of itself is a firable offense, but we also played the 1st half with the worst defensive players in NBA history and improved (albeit against softer competition) when we got real role players.
-While some may see this as a negative of Walton being too laid back or not holding players accountable, he has the backing of every player and guys don’t constantly defend their coach and blame themselves and their teammates if not for a good reason. I’m going to side with the players on this one instead of being an emotional fan.
-This team has played modern NBA basketball all year and that’s a good sign, all that’s left is to fix the defense. So get better players. If the team is behind Walton especially Fox, then give Walton another half season.
Idk, but as a Kings fan we shouldn’t expect a new coach to be the quick fix this team needs as history shows. Since we’re keeping the coach, I’m expecting a significant move in regards to the talent on this team. If not, then screw McNair and screw Vivek for running it back for another season.
All in all, Walton will get fired by the first 5 game losing streak next season or have this team playing better, so it’ll be a win-win. I know alot will disagree and that’s fine, but I’ve grown callous to any hope that any new hiring or firing will bring. When the Kings start to win, it’ll happen when it happens.
This roster isn’t that bad. It’s probably better than Joerger’s. And the team has regressed in consecutive seasons.
If a five game losing streak would be enough to get this guy fired, he’d be gone already.
Even with a worse roster, Joerger is way bette than Walton, he knows how to ulitize the players, he is hiding Bagley’s weakness, and not allowing Hield to bring the ball up.
Joerger is definitely the better coach no doubt. I’m not defending Walton, but Joerger had the benefit of catching teams off guard with the young squad in the 1st half and then predictably they fell off in the 2nd half as teams adjusted which cost Joerger his job.
2nd, Bagley is a bench scoring center, which was what he was under Joerger and that’s why he looked better than he was his rookie year. Now being forced to play him and start him this season exposed Bagley and made the team suffer to Luke’s detriment. While Luke used Buddy like an idiot last year, Buddy was used perfectly this year as just a shooter, for some reason he just got worse at shooting this year. Joerger wouldn’t have succeeded with this version of the Kings either in my opinion. Don’t forget, that Joerger year defense was bad too.
The Kings were 22nd in the NBA in net rating the first 41 games of Joerger’s last season, and 17th the second half of that season.
Their record was one game worse in the second half, but I’d say the team was pretty consistent that season.
And it feels like you’re criticizing Joerger for using Bagley more effectively??
How was their record one game worse when they were if I remember correctly 30-27 at the All Star break and finished 39-43?…… by halves I mean the all star break not the 41 game mark.
And no I’m not criticizing Joerger, I’m stating the fact that Joerger had the luxury of using Bagley off the bench, while the message to Luke was clear this year which was to start Bagley no matter what. And I’m saying that benefitted Joerger and hurt Luke.
How many more games would the Kings have won early this season if Luke had the option to start Bjelica? Luke’s hands were tied this season.
Well, you answered your own question. Sounds like you’re prioritizing the smaller sample of games.
Walton had Bjelica as well, but didn’t want to use him. You realize that he was on the roster most of the season?
The starting/not starting thing makes no sense to me. If anything, Walton got the more experienced Bagley, while Joerger got the raw version.
I’m not prioritizing the smaller sample, you’re only looking at the positives. Joerger crumbled when the games mattered the most, during the latter months fighting for the playoffs and when teams had adequate time to adjust to their team. And he acquired Barnes too!
The way Bagley looked this year, he’s the same Bagley as his rookie year just with a better 3 point jumper. He did miss all of his 2nd season btw, which stunted development. A majority of Kings fans would still classify him as “raw” right now…..
Also, Bjelica was on the roster but he asked to sit out because he was waiting to be traded and he was upset that Bagley was handed the starting job. He didn’t want to play. I’m not gonna cite sources if you don’t remember, but the stories came from Ham, Amick, and Jason Jones etc.
So it sounds like you’re saying that Joerger deserved to be fired but Walton deserves to stay, despite less success on the floor?
This is completely nonsensical. I was never a huge Joerger guy, but he accomplished far more with a bad roster than Walton has subsequently.
And I’m not giving credit to Coach Walton for Bjelica’s behavior, some of that was within Walton’s control.
Walton has less success? It doesn’t mean much but he does have the 2nd best record in Sac history after Adelman. Not even using that as a positive, that’s just a fact to prove that Walton has had more success than Joerger. Joerger’s first 2 years were a joke, but you’re saying he did a great job for one good year (still just 39 wins I might add) and for finally letting Fox run after keeping brakes on him his rookie season, so it’s not like he didn’t have huge flubs either.
Also, stop acting like Joerger had a terrible roster. Joerger had a very good Bjelica, Bogi, and a Willie who worked in the system, which a Bagley who worked off the bench, then he added Barnes at the end.
Finally, Idk how you can keep connecting Bjelica not playing and Walton. Bjelica was still in the rotation early in the season. Luke was playing him, but Bjelica decided to sit. IT WAS BJELICA. What is Luke gonna do, force Bjelica to play?
Let’s pretend Njelica didn’t play the first 25 games or so of the season.
And that whole “best winning percentage since Adelman” is embarrassing. That’s a fact.
Two other things – Bagley played more minutes in his first season than he has in two seasons under Walton.
And that last Joerger team was 18th in the NBA in defense.
I’d have to disagree on how bad this roster is or was especially before the trade deadline. Did u forget that the rotation was 8 deep on most nights, maybe 9 deep on some nights?
Blame Luke if you want for not trusting other guys, but if a guy played so well in practice, he would play in the real game and be added to the rotation.
Even if you think the roster isn’t that bad, they’re definitely either the 11th best roster or a few spots worse in the West at least, which is where they finished. They met expectations this year.
On the 5 game losing streak, Luke has no more excuses next year, it’s not a “gap year” to use McNair’s view for this year. I see his leash being short next year, especially if they keep Gentry.
Which would be further example of front office/ownership ineptitude. “We’re bringing you back next year, but we’ll be looking to fire you at the first sign of a problem.”
I agree, but I see their mindset.
Better to fire him early and replace him with an assistant on the payroll already than hire a new guy and a whole new staff I guess.
Sorry but this is totally moronic. That would basically be punting a whole season.
Didn’t work for the Hawks right?
Morons.
It’s not moronic, it’s giving the coach another year after a year of low expectations.
The times that it has no discernible effect is much higher than the few times that it does.
This is not a good strategy. If you have so little faith in your coach that you are poised to fire him within half a season, then you should not retain him.
Exactly!!!!!
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Better to fire him now and give the next HC the off-season to get started.
Why not start the season and training camp with a new coach? You’re saying it’s better to fire him midseason. That crazy.
Who gives a fuck how deep the rotation is if they don’t win games. You are spinning nonsense.
Apparently Walton can have multiple losing streaks as long as those same players are happy and nice to Vivek.
I see a team that gives the minimum amount of effort on a regular basis. It also lacks any sense of pride or accountability from the coaching staff. The staff message seems to be that they’re allowed to do what they want, how they want (minus a Jason Kidd-esque clipboard punch) That’s enough of a reason to move on for me.
Of course, I’m not the one in the hole well over $100m over the last two seasons on just my basketball team alone.
Very true, and I see the same thing and wanted Luke fired for lack of passion on this team as well. But again idk what it is. The players love him and don’t blame him at all, but we fans see a different narrative that a coach should at least motivate his players every night. But Fox, Hali, Barnes, and Holmes had career years too, give credit to Walton or not but it happened. It’s a freakin mystery. If there is any player to trust the most, it’s Barnes and he echoed the same opinion of the whole team, that it was the players’ not doing their jobs and not to blame the coaches. I personally think they need end of bench vets to kick the team in the ass or that one glue guy in the starting 5.
Yeah all in all it’s about money and not having to pay a fired coach and hire a new coach after a season where you made no money from fans. So it is what it us.
It’s not a real mystery – they had career years… offensively. I feel like the important half of the basketball court is being disregarded when evaluating the players.
And of course they like Walton, they are getting their numbers.
I’d argue and say that Barnes and Fox care more about winning than numbers at this stage of their careers, with Fox not having sniffed the playoffs and Barnes not even getting close ever since he left Oakland.
So they wouldn’t defend Walton just because they’re putting up numbers, they’re getting PAID already….. my point is why would Barnes be advocating to keep Walton and devaluing defense when he’s a champion….
So if Fox and Barnes are saying blame the players, trust the coaches than I’ll do that.
I don’t know why you’d think that about Fox at all. Maybe Barnes, but he’s had a career year offensively as well.
This was by far the worst defense in the league. Clearly players who are defending the coaching staff don’t really care about that end of the floor
I would think that an NBA player who is in his 4th year of losing would want to start winning now. I guess Fox was just trying to put up numbers when he became a top 5 4th quarter scorer and constantly put this team on his back in crunch time.
Idk how you would think a whole team of NBA players, who’s goal is to win an NBA championship, make the playoffs, or Oh idk WIN GAMES, would be satisfied with only putting up numbers.
That’s high school stuff.
I dunno, high schoolers who really wanted to win games would give max effort on the defensive end.
You’re being fooled by words, I’m looking at actions.
You really just said high schoolers want to win more than NBA players. I guess 14 teams who don’t make the playoffs every year are just chasing stats then since they don’t win.
Again Fox and Barnes played 40+ minutes most nights to try help this team win. But they just play every game hoping to lose and score 30 huh?
Actions are right there, idk what you’re seeing.
LoL, that’s not what I said.
These guys talk a good game, and I’m sure they would like to win more games and still get their numbers. But if they really WANTED to win, they’d play hard at both ends. They don’t.
Ultimately, you’re putting credence in the words of guys who seem to think things are fine, even though you watched this team play all year.
Did playing those minutes or getting those numbers win games? No. So improve in every area like coaching. The facts state this was basically the worst defensive team in history. And you want the coach of that team back?
Is modern NBA basketball two nine game losing streaks while playing zero defense?
Eh, doesn’t matter. You improve the talent, you’ll improve the team. Walton isn’t a needle mover either way IMO. But unless you’re getting a coach with a known track record, like Erik Spoelstra or someone like that, that could turn over the roster if necessary to get the changes he deem necessary with a good reason in doing so, I don’t see the point of firing Walton necessarily. Plus, here’s another thing. Month by month ORtg/DRtg/NetRtg:
Dec: 110.4/110.5/-0.1
Jan: 112.1/121.0/-9.0
Feb: 114.8/119.3/-4.8
Mar: 116.8/115.4/+1.4
Apr: 110.9/119.3/ -8.4
May: 108.6/105.2/+3.4
I’m not saying the Kings were anything to write home about. They aren’t. They missed the play-in game. They struggled on the defensive end all year. One last thing. From March 11th (1st game back from the ASB) to April 26th (a 11-14 record) here are those same splits of ORtg/DRtg/NetRtg: 113.5/115.7/-2.3. That was good for 10th in ORtg, 26th in DRtg, and 23rd on NetRtg. That sounds about right for a team that had a 5 game win streak and a 9 game losing streak in that stretch.
This team has to improve itself talent wise before anything else. This roster was not the roster it was throughout the season with all the turnover, either. Which doesn’t help for a team so thin on it’s margins. There’s not a ton of continuity. At least by announcing this today they don’t have to drag this decision on and make people wait.
It wasn’t what people around here wanted. I get that. But it’s hardly the end of the world either. There’s certainly coaches I’d rather have, no question. But I don’t think the first problem the Kings have is Luke Walton either, and I’ll stick by that until I see otherwise.
25% of their games in May were against OKC.
So, about that 105.2 DRtg in May …
And during the time that Fox didn’t play¦
This is where we look at smaller samples instead of the larger ones? That makes no sense to me…every bad or mediocre NBA team has stretches of decent play.
Two nine game losing streaks and the worst defense in the league should be a fireable offense, but only in competent organizations.
And I’ve watched enough post game pressers to still wonder if Walton has any idea what ails this team.
This right here…the team played uninspired basketball for 1/4 of the season
Yeah but if you take away these two 9 game losing streaks they actually played really well!!!
Good point! And if you take away *all* the losses we’re actually undefeated!
He doesn’t have any idea. He’ll have to watch the tape.
I didn’t realize we were talking about small samples. I was talking about distortions of singular bad games making a garden variety bad team looking historically bad on defense (when they really weren’t).
The reason I used the 25 game sample was hopefully an obvious one: It was post ASB and the game right up to the 49 point disaster against Utah. A bad, horrible no-good game, to be sure. But hardly reflective of the season overall. That really hurt the overall month of April, it certainly sunk the DRtg by a couple of points just for that one singular game. In January, they lost by 38 to the Clippers, 26 to the Blazers, 31 to the Warriors, 21 to the Raptors. That tends to sink your DRtg when you don’t win by those margins.
That’s why I pointed out the month by month splits. It was really a single game in April, and a few bad losses in January, that made this team look “historically awful.” This isn’t a defense of Luke Walton, I didn’t mean it to be. But unless you’re getting an actual improvement and not a new head coach to complain about 10 games into the season when the team doesn’t play every nano-second the way your preferences would…prefer, forgive me for thinking that changing out the head coach is change for changes sake rather than forward progress. Which is all I see most of the Walton complaining to be, in essence.
In a normal season, I’d agree. But this wasn’t a normal year, and there was a ton of oddities league wide. Injuries were a major problem all year for everyone. Next year, there’s no way Walton can survive something like that. But in a year where so much was consistently and constantly in flux, I think it snowballed in a way it wouldn’t in other years.
There were some positives, some negatives, and some “it is what it is.” It’s been a weird year, and if I’m being honest, I’m glad nobody is dead as a result of playing the season. It is what it is. The same people that were negative on Walton at the beginning are negative now. It is what it is. I wouldn’t have fired Dave Joerger the way the Kings did. I certainly would have claimed victory for a 39 win season like they did. But I never thought Vlade Divac was a good executive, I never thought he built good rosters, and I don’t think Luke Walton’s coaching record should reflect poor executive choices. Which, essentially, is what people do both on his time with the Lakers and Kings. Unless, of course, you want Magic Johnson to run the Kings and find out. I certainly don’t.
Adults, in theory, are running the organization at the moment. I’d like to see what they do with a normal’ish off-season and a year’s worth of data, weird distortions and all, and forward progress with a roster that at least has a chance to work forward in a reasonable way. Crazy? Sure, why not. But demz da breakz of da game, and how I roll. I do it my way, you do it yours. But with what the points you are arguing in the manner you are arguing them, you will never convince me you are right. That I can assure you.
Yeah, I stand corrected…you weren’t focusing on small samples, just selective endpoints.
Simply put, I disagree entirely. Unless both nine game losing streaks equate to “a few”.
I think the losing streaks are oddities in an odd season. And yes, we disagree entirely.
The losing streaks are players not feeling any urgency or fear of repercussions.
Ah, okay. I always wondered.
Losing streaks are not oddities at all. They are the result of trying the same losing strategy over and over again with no tactical adjustments.
Walton is incapable of even recognizing what he is seeing (“I’ll have to watch the tape”), and he because of it, he fails to make any meaningful adjustments.
Not what I wanted, but I’m willing to get over it. Here’s my attempt to rationalize it….They’ve made kneejerk reactions with coaches in years past and that for sure hasn’t worked. Walton’s winning (or lack thereof) is close to the 2 coaches that were blunderly fired. That surprises me. Fox has his back, and he’s our best and highest paid player. I think money probably has something to do with it too, which I understand because they paid a lot for earlier coaching blunders. I’m already over it, as I’m writing this. I’m more interested in our personnel decisions moving forward.
This is has everything to do with money. It is what it is.
It’s a time sink. They’ll inevitably fire this guy down the road, then we’ll have to give the new guy time to implement his system.
Money has everything to do with it otherwise McNair is a joke.
Yeah.. It’s surely disappointing but ain’t nothing we can do about it now. Just like you I’m now interested about personnel moves going forward. Our defense suck and everyone knows it. Does Mcnair try to hire a better defensive coordinator? Who should the Kings trade and keep this offseason.
They better damn try to improve this roster if they are not firing the coach.
Vivek’d.
Kangz.
So that rather quickly answered pretty much the only question that mattered.
Different GM’s, same poor decision-making.
I have no confidence in Monte McNair.
All this failure comes from the very top. The one(s) who hired these two guys and the current GM need to be held responsible.
We will see if he can get rid of both Hield and Bagley to improve his reputation.
McNair is already wrong by retaining Walton, so, he better trade away both Hield and Bagley, it’s just subtraction by addition.
As I really don’t want to see Hield handling the ball again.
(the experiment of letting Hield plays the PG position already worths the firing of Walton)
I get the frustration, but I’m going to try to look on the bright side. Defense was awful, but it got better at the end with better players. Offense was pretty good though. Kings had a winning record I think in games decided by 5 points or less. Am I nervous that the team won’t get any better – yes. But I agree with the poster who said talent-wise we are bottom 10. You all crush Buddy – for good reason, but he’s a starter. Bags gets crushed. But he’s a starter. And No, it’s not like when Hali started, this team was amazing. Holmes is good. Barnes is good. They are probably 4th or 5th starters, solid bench guys on a playoff team. Fox is really good. So 31 wins seems about right. Hell, Monte literally gave Walton no bench until the trade deadline. Am I loving this decision? No. But am I gonna lose sleep over it? No.
I don’t understand all the forgiveness of Luke because of the claim that the roster is so terrible.
This roster was better to start the season than DJs 2018 to start and that team won 39 games, with a tank during the should of been 40th.
Why does Luke get excused for doing worse in consecutive years than DJ in his final?
It’s a weak ass trash take that seems to be the talking point of everyone on Viveks payroll…and now regurgitated by some fans
Well, if you give Luke a roster with Klay, Steph and Draymond, all in their primes, he’ll win!
Please, Monte, turn in your resignation. Say you can’t run a team like this. I’ll put on the popcorn. Please?
This is likely the directive of Vivek.
Yes. And Monte’s resignation would bring all hell’s fury to his doorstep. And maybe there might be some change. At the very least, we’d have something entertaining happening at Golden One. Please, Monte?
nah. McNair doesn’t get a pass for every bad decision. I know everyone around here thinks he’s a savior but I’m not seeing it
McNairs pass expired today when the announcement to retain Walton was made.
If Monte gets on a presser and says Walton is my guy. I don’t want to hire my own coach, then I will lose faith in him, too.
So?
Monte signs off on it. It is for all intent and purposes his decision. Monte has the title of GM, he cashes the sizable checks of a GM.
He cannot do that and then deny it is his call or hide behind the owner. If Monte chooses to accept ownership interference, that is on him.
Monte has basically given Walton a sign of approval for this past season, a season where tanking would have made a ton of sense. And the objective, the low bar of reaching the play-ins, was not reached. Unless you want to buy in to that gap year excuse, which is the biggest copout there is.
Monte has chosen to tie his faith to Walton, and he is on the clock.
And one more thing…
If this is the case, where Monte was apparently just waiting for his pal to become available, does that make him any different than Vlade hiring Walton with no due dilligence?
“build consistency with Walton” = historically bad defense and 2 – 9 game losing streaks.
To be fair, Walton was .431 for two seasons in a row after a ,476 Joerger season. That’s consistently bad.
The 2nd biggest loser in this (behind the fans) is Luke. I’m sure that dude had already been house-hunting in Santa Monica and looking forward to taking a 2-year, $11M sabbatical. Now he has to slum it with us in the Valley.
Cancelling our season tickets prior to this season is looking wiser by the day. Vote with your checkbooks, folks.
More of this is needed:
I’ve stated this many times the last few years. Stop supporting this franchise with your wallet! Do not attend games and do not buy merch. Simple as that.
I even stopped watching the games this year. Just come on tkh to be up to date on the happenings.
This is the only way to force change, hit the ownership in the pocket book and let the tv viewership numbers crater.
Instead…..send your money to The Kings Herald store!
“Try our thick creamy shakes!”
Some people on here are probably very legitimate about “not another dime stance”…some on here are probably empty promises in the heat of the moment. I think that’s understandable. I mean IF the Kings are 33-25 next year fighting for a 6th seed, I have trouble believing tickets will not be sold and merchandise moving. I probably would buy in.
On the TV viewership and letting that crater, unless I am mistaken they signed a 20 year deal with NBC Sports for like 700 million in 2014. So that money is in the bank, unless there are clauses and bonuses we are unaware of. So watch the game if it gives you enjoyment. Don’t if it doesn’t or makes you angry…but you not watching is probably not effecting the bottom line that much until the deal is near up in 13 years.
Winning solves most problems…doesn’t look particularly promising with Walton, but since the playoff drought only one head coach has completed a third season with the Kings. Joerger, who after two bad years, had the team improving at the end of year 3. Majority of us feel that was a big mistake to move on from Joerger.
I don’t like Walton and find him to be pretty meh/below average as a coach. The fire a coach every 1-2 years has been the rinse, wash, repeat since Adelman. You make me choose, yes I would probably go with a new coach. But there could be something to be said about continuity and trying something different that what has previously been done for the last 15 years.
I don’t like it particularly and I am disappointed…but that’s the Kangz fan motto.
I suspect Vivek simply checks the value of his investments whenever he feels down, while we check the value of our sanity.
I’ve shared before that my Buddy and I wing it and catch around ten games each year for fun. We took our temperatures this year and we had no desire whatsoever, we’ve seen every inch of that building. So despite the somewhat empty I’m done proclamations flying around right now, I can say in a very real sense I’m done clicking purchase with regards to this team on any level, and that includes the televised shillcast which has become impossible to digest with a straight face.
Hopefully Sacramento’s hard-hitting sports media peeps hold Monte to the fire over this one. ð
My I’m done proclamation is very much not empty, and I would bet good money that a significant amount of others I’m now seeing aren’t, either.
The one constant.
The sole problem.
Vivek needs to go.
The one who knows where the bodies are buried and has plenty of political influence locally as well.
Hahahahahahahahah, laughter!!!
WTF???
They didn’t wait long to snatch all hope and excitement from kings fans….
Fuuuuuuuuuuuck!
This has Vivek written all over it
Loser organizations make loser decisions. S-squared, d-squared.
Told you.
The fact that this has to be widely announced just shows the desperation to control some fake narrative when every other franchise in the NBA would’ve parted ways with this figurehead of a coach. Might as well hire a statue to replace him when we do.
It’s pretty dumb, there’s no real need to announce it now. They only needed to make an announcement if they were moving on.
Vivek did it solely to aim it at us
Maybe this is rhetorical, but when has any sports franchise have to come out early to report the exact opposite of what anyone expects in order to control expectations?
This. It’s pretty clear most expect him to get fired and most know he deserves to get fired. To announce that Walton is keeping his job is fully acknowledging their desperation.
Of course the players love him. They’re allowed to play in “all star game” mode every night, without any repercussions.
Yeah, Luke doesn’t yell at them/hold them accountable. Of course they like him.
Not surprised, I’m just pissed Walton couldn’t orchestrate a proper tank. They could’ve tanked this year and next, then fired him but instead we won some meaningless games.
Can you believe I got 15 thumbs down for my comments on Vivek and his ownership skills? After today’s breaking news I bet I would get 15 thumbs up if I reposted them lol.
And I just got crapped on for hoping Vivek would either sell or they would relocate so I wouldn’t have to root for this sorry franchise any longer.
Fuck this team. Fuck this franchise.
So, will there be any press con hosted by McNair about this decision, so that the media can ask what the hell is going on, and how the FO see in Lose Walton ?
1)Two 9 straight consecutive losses
2) worst defensive rating
3) Numerous blow out losses
4) don’t know how to ulitize players
Why the front office just can’t wait until the off-season, to see if any good and qualified coach being fired ?
Why they made up this decision in a hurry?
The only way I’m going to give a shit about this sorry ass franchise in the near future is by taking Metamucil. Maybe V8 can sponsor this fucking vegetable ownership.
We should be throwing eggs to Walton at 1pm.
and I’m curious why Harkless will be in Media session ?
(it’s seems the FO will bring him back)
When does Vlade speak?
Good questions.
There are more:
5) With an arguably better team (a more mature Fox and Bagley,a ROY candidate), the record regressed under Walton compared to the season Joerger was fired? What is the rationale for keeping Walton on?
6) Walton has not had a winning record as a coach yet. What gives you faith that he will have one in the near future?
7) Walton has now had twice the worst defensive rating in the league (once with the Lakers, once with the Kings). What gives you faith that he can significantly improve that in the near future?
8) Several players coached by Walton showed very little development (Randle, Ingram, arguably Ball) or significant regression (Brook Lopez, Corey joseph), only to blossom elsewhere. Is Walton the right guy to develop this team?
9) What kind of goals should be achieved next season to view it as a success?
I highly recommend you to represent us (the fans) to raise and ask those question, especially Question no.9 …
(maybe just like Divac, if the team shows no improvement, just say in 20 games, then Walton should step down himself, and give up his salary)
LOL, thanks but better pick someone with less of an accent than me (it’s Vlade-esque).
Sadly, I would expect Monte to give evasive answers and plattitudes anyway, if your or my questions were to be asked.
Unfortunately, the local media never will ask those kinds of questions. They throw softball questions way too much.
They can’t fire Walton because they’re broke? How much money are the Kings paying Joe Dumars to hang out with Vivek and undermine the GM?
He’s also never seen or grants any interviews. What a nice job it must be to have no accountability but also have the owner’s ear.
Yeah, but don’t forget that Joe is also advising on business aspects of matters.
He’s a really savvy businessman and should be able to help grow Vivek’s empi- oops.
People are not getting the meta-game here. Does no one work in a corporate setting? It’s all about who the boss can scapegoat to avoid the brunt of the blame. Feeling heat because your chosen GM failed again to meet a goal? Layer him with someone else so he will resign on his own and buy yourself some space with a new GM hire. Afraid of hate because you once more failed to put a good product out? Keep the mediocre coach around who at least serves as a lightning rod, then fire him later when the wheels come off again to buy yourself some more time and space. Rinse and repeat.
Glad he’s staying!!
I know I will get alot of hate for this but I think bringing Walton back next year might not be the worst thing. Seeing how hard he had the team playing after Fox and Haliburton were out I think he should get one more year to see what he can do with this team. I was 100% get Walton out a few weeks ago but just maybe he can get this team playing well together with a full year with what Monte can do with the roster. But then again maybe I am just looking for some stability with none over the past decade from this team.
It’s hard to hang my hopes on needing Fox and Haliburton to miss games again in order to get the team to put in more than bare minimum effort.
Can I also just say: zero fucking accountability in the media for this team. ANY. OTHER. TEAM. The media would be fucking lambasting the coach and owner until kingdom come. Kayte doesn’t know what the word objective is, and Carmichael Dave can’t risk doing anything but toe the company line because that’s how it has always been in Kingsland. The media has to fucking swallow saying anything bad about the Kings.
Listened to the KTHK 1140 Drive podcast the other morning and it was embarrassing with the Knicks media guy (apologies, forgot his status or role) talking with Dave. Basically every polite way of saying “Yeah, your team REALLY fucking sucks on a historical level.”
And it’s not like the Kings are even worthy of telling anyone not to hold them accountable. They’re a shit sandwich. And I can name several ingredients off the top of my head. Lose Walton, High-Contract Low-BBIQ Buddy, Draft pick fuckups, and excuses after excuses. Rinse and repeat for 15 years, folks.
You want Kangz? That’s how you get Kangz.
Can’t wait to hear the KHTK crew gushing over Luke and Monte when they do call-ins this week.
Not as mad as the rest of the King’s Herald commenters that Walton gets one more year to turn the team around. A lot of stuff goes on behind the scenes that no fan ever hears about. The Kings goal next year is to get to about 45 wins and be in meaningful contention for a real playoff spot. Which of Holmes and the three Bs (Buddy, Barnes and Bagley) comes back next year? Do the Kings get a real NBA player in the draft? Who can McNair add to the team? Can the coaching staff honestly assess what they did wrong (and right)?
About the typical Kings offseason.
The Kings have sucked ass for 15 years, haven’t had a good coach since Adelman that they haven’t shitcanned for no good reason. Their goal almost EVERY year has been to “get about 45 wins and be in meaningful contention for a real playoff spot.”
See a pattern of failure here?
(1) Hopefully Buddy and maybe Bagley are gone for some real consistent value.
(2) Maybe, but probably not since we fucked up and threw away our chance at a good pick for the “play in”
(3) Who knows. Probably no one great, but color me surprised if so.
(4) No. They never do. Walton has a history of shit defense. If he didn’t get it by now, he’s not going to.
45 wins is a massive ask from a team that will finish last in the league on defense.
Well, sure. But it’s also true that bad franchises make bad decisions like this all the time.
Same awful feeling in my gut as when thy drafted Bagley
Same feeling as when Burkle dropped out and we got Vivek. What a pathetic loser of a billionaire!
Man you never miss! That’s awesome. Got the NBA lottery results already? I’d like to clear my future calendar.
Burkle had better not even say the word “Sacramento” again after what he just pulled with Republic FC.
they don’t call this basketball hell for no goddamn reason after fucking all.
for fuck’s sake……
The article gives immediate credit for this decision to McNair W/O actually connecting him to it. He’s the GM, so I guess it’s automatic, and I’m sure he’ll take credit. I won’t believe it. Especially with this immediate announcement, it’s obvious the decision was already made for him. Obviously a financial decision. I don’t think Vivek even like’s Luke. Just more than cutting checks his account can’t back up.
At least we won’t get our hopes up now. They wanted to break the news early, knowing it wasn’t gonna be popular. Now I want them to trade Fox! He betrayed this town.
I used to live near Kansas City when the Kings played there. I went to a few Kansas City Kings games at old Kemper Arena (before the roof fell in). The Kings had a decent team in 1981. They went to the Western Conference finals that year lead by Phil Ford, probably Michael Jordan’s role model, Otis Birdsong, Sam Lacey, Scott Wedman … Then injuries hit and the team went on a slide. They could never be bad enough to get a top 3 draft pick (before the draft lottery the NBA had a coinflip between the worst two teams for the #1 pick). So Houston (who beat the Kings in the ’81 WC finals) got Olajuwon, the Bulls got Jordan, while the Kings got Reggie Theus and Lasalle Thompson. Home games were blacked out and you could only watch King’s road games, which they always lost. Finally, the announcement that the Kings were moving to Sacramento. No one cared. I hated the Kings for years but when I moved to Sacramento in 2001 they were title contenders and I became a Kings fan again. Rick Adelman is the only coach to have a winning season in Sacramento and Cotton Fitzsimmons only had a couple of winning seasons in Kansas City. Will the Kings ever turn it around? As Brooklyn Dodgers fans used to say, there’s always next year. And the Dodgers won it all last year, of course not in Brooklyn. But my money is on Brooklyn this summer, in the NBA.
Good god ladies. Pull it together.
See, it’s funny because he called everyone girls
Remember when Pete D. said Payton and Vivek said Stauskas?
at least we have this
I hope Vivek loses another $100,000,000 next season!
I regret that I have but only one thumbs up to give.
Luke’s a groper! As if that isn’t enough. What ever happened to guts!
Luke will make it 10 games into the ’21-’22 season.
I saw the headline that Walton would be retrained as a head coach and I was ecstatic. Retraining is just what this franchise needs. Let’s begin the retraining ASAP please!! The regular season begins in just a few months!
Wait did I read that wrong? Is he in need of being restrained as a head coach?
At this point, who the hell even cares. I just hope we make the playoffs in 35 years when Vivek is dead and Golden Two Arena is ready to open.
Yesssss, let it all burn
Luke’s still here, Buddy’s still here, the drought is another season longer and yet we won’t even get a top pick in the draft. This is essentially the worst case scenario for an otherwise meaningless season that should’ve just been about getting the young guys some run. Instead, Ramsey, Metu, Woodard and Guy all rode pine while watching Hassan Whiteside and CoJo lead the Kings to another losing season when the stated bar for succes (the play-in) was even lower than usual. What a spectacular failure of a season. We could’ve had a full year of evaluation and development with the young guys at the highest level while simultaneously positioning ourselves to pick Cade and take the elevator to the top next season, but instead we’ll just continue treading water for the foreseeable future. A worthless franchise. Doesn’t deserve the fans it has (and it’s certainly not making any new ones).
Season was a total failure…bad enough to miss the play-in and too good to get a decent pick. The worst place a franchise can be.
This was just another meaningless season for an utterly meaningless team.
Having an erratic, egotistical and incompetent owner often comes with the territory considering who can even afford to buy a team to begin with. But what I cant understand is the indulgence of selfishness and demolition of any process oriented decision making actually leading to something Vivek wants.
If the argument is he doesn’t want to pay for Luke’s remaining years, then it is a lame duck coach and in turn season. That in itself is pathetic but begs the question then why aren’t you tanking in the process. If this decision is predicated on predicament how is that not similarly applied to the the teams overall strategy which has had over his whole tenure better chances to win the lottery than make a playoff seed. That fact has been ignored each year. The consistent counter factual in every decision is endlessly delusional and childish.
Whats most concerning is the league in which his lack of development is happening. Fertita is even showing willingness to tear down and in one season might have a better rebuild on his hands. Similarly the Thunder tore down in a haste and in two years will have countless chances in the draft. Chris Finch is showing the benefits of a good coach with a young core for talent that in totality is likely better than ours. And even the mess that is James Dolan is allowing the Knicks to be regular. Our counterparts are smarter at being bad or on their way to being better than us. The Kings are a mess, have been and look to continue to be. I expect failed playoff births, and poor lottery odds again, the noise of Fox looking inevitably elsewhere and an owner making almost no progress in a decade of ownership.
It’s funny how similar Vivek and Jerry Jones seem to be when it comes to running their franchises. Both seem to think that they’re experts (at basketball and football, respectively), but results generally say otherwise. The big difference is that Jones bought the sports equivalent of Coca-Cola, while Vivek bought RC cola. You can make some bad decisions when you’re selling Coke and you’ll be fine long term. When was the last time anybody saw an RC?
The head coach, GM, and roster are irrelevant as long as Vivek is calling the (basketball) shots for a team team as poorly regarded as the Kings.
No one with any other options will come here.
I honestly believe this franchise will be in Seattle or Las Vegas before they make the playoffs again.
VA Beach. Gets the team in the eastern conference.
Well, I think we are starting to see the type of coach that Fox likes playing for:
If I was a professional athlete and I loved my coach, I would find a way to win games for them to the point where there could be no doubt. I truly believe the players are authentic when they say they like playing for the guy, but man if they don’t play like it.
Walton should be fired for 2 9 game losing streaks.
Walton should be fired for the worst D in nearly league history.
That’s it. That’s all it should take a well run org to handle a situation like this. Your players are under contract. They will play for who you hire to coach them. And guess what, if that coach is good, and they win games, they’re going to like being in the playoffs a lot more than whatever this shit is.
Love how dramatic fans are. LOL. I’m rooting for Luke to be successful.
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