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Marvin Bagley’s agent called out the Kings over his spot in the rotation

Ok NOW it feels like the Kings season is about to start.
By | 201 Comments | Oct 19, 2021

Credit: Cary Edmondson-USA TODAY Sports

In roughly 24 hours, the Sacramento Kings will be tipping off their 2021-22 regular season vs. the Trail Blazers in Portland. The vibes in training camp and preseason have been immaculate. The Kings, for the first time in forever, have something resembling playoff (or play-in) expectations. Realistic or not, that has been the mindset of this organization since everyone arrived back in Sacramento last month.

The vibes ran into a brick wall Wednesday afternoon. Out of seemingly nowhere, Marvin Bagley’s agent, Jeff Schwartz of Excel Sports, blasted the organization for how they intend to use Bagley to start the season. According to Schwartz, Bagley was informed that he is not a part of Luke Walton’s rotation tomorrow night.

In case the tweet gets deleted, because yikes, the statement reads:

“Sacramento has informed Marvin Bagley he is not in the opening night rotation, which is completely baffling. It’s clear they have no plans for him in the future, and yet, passed on potential deals at last year’s deadline and this summer based on “value”. Instead, they chose to bring him back but not play him, a move completely contradictory to their “value” argument. This is a case study in mismanagement by the Kings organization.” – Jeff Schwartz

What Jeff Schwartz conveniently left out of his statement is what happens to Marvin Bagley’s qualifying offer if he doesn’t meet starter criteria this season. Starter criteria would mean starting at least 41 games or playing at least 2,000 minutes in the fourth season, or an average of those in seasons 3 and 4. If Bagley misses those benchmarks, his QO goes from around $14 million to around $6 million.

In other words, Marvin Bagley is going to lose a shit ton of QO money if he isn’t in the rotation, and it sounds like the Kings told him that would be the case.

I’m sure we’ll have more on this story soon as information begins to leak out. For now – your move, Monte.

 

 

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1951
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October 19, 2021 3:46 pm

Team Bagley not helping basketball player Bagley at all.
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October 19, 2021 4:29 pm
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October 19, 2021 4:32 pm
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I’m kind of fired up for the late second we’re gonna get for him.

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October 19, 2021 4:36 pm
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Yeah, but in 2025.

And top 55 protected.

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October 19, 2021 6:28 pm
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Dude, with these its hard to know what is true or not

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October 19, 2021 8:21 pm
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Sorry, it’s fake!

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October 19, 2021 5:24 pm
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Dumb Owner hired Dumb GM. Sorry kid you are fucked.

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October 19, 2021 5:28 pm
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The question is, who is Keanu in this video?

Is it Marvin Bagley? Is it Kings fans?

Who is Keanu in this situation???

NSFW (language)

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October 19, 2021 3:46 pm

The Kings have led the league in mismanagement the last 15 years, Bagley’s drafting included. Benching Bagley right now isn’t one of them.

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October 19, 2021 3:57 pm
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It’s the right decision. Len, Thompson, Davis, Mitchell have all earned a rotation spot, and Marvin hasn’t. He’s bench filler, nothing more.

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October 19, 2021 4:10 pm
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AND 1!!!!!!!

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October 19, 2021 4:41 pm
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It’s (probably) the right coaching decision for this team as it’s constructed. It doesn’t seem like the right front office decision to hang on to him knowing the situation might blow, and you weren’t going to play him anyway.

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October 19, 2021 4:59 pm
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The strawman you’ve constructed, where the front office has prioritized keeping Marvin Bagley? Aside from the fact that he is in Sacramento, is there anything that you could explain to me that would demonstrate that this is as a result of a management strategy being employed?

And since the market is so hot for Bagley, what would you say the range is for types of players who might come back to Sacramento? What would constitute success, or failure in that regard?

The Bagley thing is obviously not going to work out, which alters VD’s selection from catastrophically stupid, to historically embarrassing. If I’m able to reach this conclusion, are you under the impression that other NBA GM’s see it differently, and have been offering McNair anything of value?

Because it seems like you’re just saying stuff.

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October 19, 2021 7:18 pm
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The strawman you’ve constructed

Uh huh. You mean like this?

where the front office has **prioritized** keeping Marvin Bagley

Or maybe more like this?

And since the market is so hot for Bagley

Are you sure you’d know a strawman when you see it?

Aside from the fact that he is in Sacramento,

Bagley being in Sacramento is pretty good evidence of the thing I actually said, and not thing you pretended I said, which is that the front office has decided to keep him in Sacramento as of today. That decision has now backfired.

NBA GM’s see it differently, and have been offering McNair anything of value?

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If you’re going to sit the guy, even salary relief has value. And yet, here he is.

Because it seems like you’re just saying stuff.

And it seems like you’ve anointed yourself the Monte McNair’s white knight, trolling anyone who dares criticize him. It’s beyond tired, and adds nothing to the discussion.

Yes, I’m down on the team, and for good reason. I get that some folks don’t want to hear that, and that’s their prerogative. I’m allowed my opinion and what I have going for me is I don’t spend time trolling other people for disagreeing with me.

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October 19, 2021 7:23 pm
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I’m no Monte apologist, but it is worth noting that players with talent retain trade value, even if they are benched, while the converse is also true, players who get on the floor a lot, but lack talent, don’t have much trade value. Bagley is one of the latter.

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October 19, 2021 7:29 pm
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100% fair point. I’m not arguing Bagley has any specific value. I’m saying Bagley had more value (whatever that was) before this blew up, and the blowup has been inevitable for months. The front office should have moved him before this happened.

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October 19, 2021 8:57 pm
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I don’t disagree, but there were headwinds that Monte faced: (1) Team Bagley fans that kept adding up Bagley’s points and rebounds and saying that showed he was a good player requiring a good return in trade; and (2) local media propagandists that would have had us believe that Bagley was a budding star. Can you imagine the furor if Monte had traded Bagley for less, which would have been inevitable?

With that said, Monte still should have done it.

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October 19, 2021 10:35 pm
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If Monte is influenced by Team Bagley (fans) and the local media (propagandists), he’s worthless.

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October 20, 2021 10:17 pm
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That was the only thing Monte could have done this summer. When the Marv trade does inevitably happen it will be for less.

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October 20, 2021 12:24 am
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This doesn’t affect his value one bit. The front office should have moved him last year, that is true. Now… it’s actually good asset management to not have him in the rotation. If you can’t get shit you like for such a talented player with #2 pick hype and that guy hasn’t proven shit yet then getting his qualifying offer down is actually brilliant from my perspective. There’s WAY WORSE things then having Marvin Bagley be your end of the bench big man for 6.5 million a year for 4 years and MAYBE he figures it out at some point. But even if he doesn’t “figure it out”, Marvin in 2022 on a 6 million dollar contract on a very limited role the previous year retains upside curiosity and could be very attractive to another team. At least from my perspective.

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October 20, 2021 6:55 am
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This would seem to depend on how they value the cap-space. They seem fine with letting him go for nothing more than the $11 mil. And the trade offers may not be as helpful as 11 mil. in cap-space.

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October 19, 2021 9:04 pm
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Best post so far….

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October 20, 2021 5:15 am
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Andy comments. He doesn’t converse. If you question him, he takes his comments and goes home.

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October 19, 2021 4:27 pm
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But would you say not trading him last season was a mismanaging move though? I don’t understand paying the guy 11 million this year to be out of rotation is wise…

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October 19, 2021 4:56 pm
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I still believe Vivek is/has been meddling in all this. McNair started last season saying he was gonna trade all and then at deadline Vivek (we heard) decided to hang onto players a go for play in.

It makes waaaay more sense to me that not trading Bags (or others) and retaining Puke Is Vivek and Co.

Makes a lot less sense that a GM is that dumb. A GM who worked in a real organization.

I think McNair is working within limits set by the piece of shit owner

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October 19, 2021 5:26 pm
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Amonk, I don’t necessarily disagree with your opinion, but I do have an honest question.

What is your source of information that Vivek is meddling and not trading Bagley, and others, to apparently spite himself rather than because the market is not there or the offers are completely underwhelming?

My understanding is that Buddy, one of the owners favorite players, was all but traded to the Lakers until Westbrook’s agent changed the compass points. That doesn’t sound like an owner that won’t move players, in fact, one of his favorite Kings was moved until the trade fell through.

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October 19, 2021 6:43 pm
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It’s definitely an opinion. I do recall articles talking about Vivek not wanting to trade players at trade deadline. Going for playin And that sounds more logical than McNair changing his mind.

As for this off season, I think they were up for grabs.. My thoughts about trades were only about that trade deadline.

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October 19, 2021 7:32 pm
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You are not wrong about the Kings shifting to try for the play in when they were originally looking to maximize their draft position. I also remember articles about the team not wanting to trade Barnes at the deadline. Any owner of any business will weigh in on an organization’s strategic or tactical moves. It’s just my opinion, but I think Vivek defers to Monte. I definitely don’t think he would sabotage his team just to spite a player that has not delivered a return on the team’s investment such as Marvin. Monte offered Bagley for Bay. Similar stats, but the deal was never consummated. Happens a lot in the NBA. Too bad, the Kings would be in a better place today had they been successful in finishing that trade.

Just my two cents.

Don’t get too frustrated, you are in for a treat with Davion and how he works with younger players (seems odd to say that about a rookie to be sure, but that is what he does) and helps them to get better. Not to mention how mature he is and the aura of intense competitiveness that just oozes from him. It is contagious in a positive sense of that word.

Bagley is as Bagley does at this stage. He is the only person that can change his trajectory. The Kings have made that clear to him now. That is a good development in my mind.

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October 19, 2021 11:40 pm
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I am frustrated with this organization, mostly because Vivek. Tired of them always choosing the least logical/smart path. Never figuring out the obvious or way too late-like finally making Bags earn his start.

And I am excited to see Davion amd love Haliburton. Those 2 plus Fox are a good start.

I don’t know that the Kings can overcome the reign of Vivek. Or that he’ll fully back away-ala Dolan If he does, and they fire Luke, maybe……

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October 20, 2021 4:36 am
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I am on board re Luke.

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October 20, 2021 10:02 am
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I’ll take Vivek over the Maloofs. Every. Fucking. Time.
Would be great if he’d let his GM do his damn job, tho.

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October 20, 2021 12:35 am
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It’s an excellent development

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October 20, 2021 12:31 am
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I’m sure they weren’t 100% sure he wouldn’t be part of the rotation. I am 100% sure they hoped he would come into camp this year with 10 pounds of added muscle and improved defensive mechanics and IQ. Marvin f’d this up himself. Not Monte.

ps I have been more critical of Monte than impressed in his time here. However, not this time. I tip my hat to him here.

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October 19, 2021 3:47 pm

Bleacher Report once suggested we trade Bagley to the Thunder for Kenrich Williams and the PHX first rounder. I’d do that deal in a heartbeat right now.

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October 19, 2021 3:49 pm
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hell, I’d take either one of them straight up at this point.

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October 19, 2021 3:48 pm

His whole camp is so exhausting.

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October 19, 2021 4:02 pm
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Vivek amd his whole camp is fucking exhausting. In this mess because of Vivek/FO.

Too stupid to cut bait. Same idiotic logic of not trading vets and rebuilding cause they think they are close. Same idiot logic that allows Coachless Walton to still be here.

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October 19, 2021 4:03 pm
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Yeah, as if we needed more reminders of how much this organization has just completely fucked up so many things, even in the 2018 draft when they were LITERALLY gifted the best-case scenario pick number and somehow managed to find a way to crash and burn even that.

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October 19, 2021 4:08 pm
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Yes. They fucked up the pick and every step thereafter.

Part of why it is sooooo infuriating hearing Kings announcers, etc keep trying to tell me Bagely was good. Give him time etc. Fock that. The media shoulda been all
over Vivek and these idiots from the jump, not talking down to fans.

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October 20, 2021 12:37 am
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They’re the campers that leave the camp site with smoldering logs in the pit.

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October 19, 2021 3:48 pm

Higher career earnings going forward, Marvin Bagley or Jabari Parker? 😉

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1450594317958004736

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October 19, 2021 3:51 pm
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Jabari’s made $55 million his career. I really do hope I’m wrong but I don’t think Bagley comes close to that.

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October 19, 2021 3:52 pm
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“going forward”

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October 19, 2021 4:18 pm
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He’s already north of $40 mil, if my math is right, and still only 22.

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October 19, 2021 5:17 pm
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“Going forward “

Jabari is somehow only 25!

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October 20, 2021 10:04 am
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Then who the hell was that wearing his uniform last year!?

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October 19, 2021 8:59 pm
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That next 15 million isn’t going to be as easy. Bagley’s injuries essentially gave him an extra year. Although I think his deal gets picked up based on what he produced his rookie year.

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October 20, 2021 10:04 am
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This didn’t age well. Or at all…lol

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October 19, 2021 4:12 pm
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But they are literally the same person.

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October 19, 2021 3:49 pm

There it is!

kAnGz!

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October 19, 2021 3:58 pm
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As I posted in other thread, Kings-Vivek are fucking idiots. They should have gotten rid of him before last season.

As I’ve been saying, they needed to get rid of Bags before league realized how useless and injured Bags is.

Historically bad pick and the Kings heaped error on top of error by living in a fantasy land where Bagely gets good. News flash—he never was and never will be.

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October 19, 2021 4:14 pm
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Can’t disagree about the historically bad pick. But when was the window when the Kings knew but the league didn’t? He has been injured practically since day 1.

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October 19, 2021 4:26 pm

Just the idea that after year 1 or 2 Years some teams may still have thought Bags is worth getting. Maybe they’d think, ok, he’s injured but maybe he’s not injury plagued etc.

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October 20, 2021 10:05 am
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Teams like the Kings?

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October 19, 2021 4:32 pm

Or, they coulda just cut bait and have that $ for another player. Addition by subtraction.

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October 19, 2021 4:37 pm
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Isaiah Thomas, or Harry Giles?

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October 19, 2021 7:25 pm
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Ouch

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October 19, 2021 3:49 pm

The entitlement in this camp is mind blowing.

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October 19, 2021 3:58 pm

It’s not entitlement, at least from his agent– it’s desperation. Schwartz has to create a narrative about “KANGZ mismanagement” to distract from his client’s basketball shortcomings, which are so severe that a 31-41 team in desperate need of talent has decided he isn’t good enough to take off his warmups unless Tristan Thompson, Alex Len, and Terence Davis all get hurt. It’s the only way Bagley gets anything more than an unguaranteed camp contract next summer.

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I agree. If Bagley wants a larger role, he should improve on the parts of his game that would ensure playing time. He’s talented enough to average 14 and 7 using one hand, smart enough to be enrolled at Duke, but can’t learn where he’s supposed to be on defense in three years in the league? At this point I’d be impressed with him getting into a defensive stance on a regular basis.

If Bagley took the challenge of having to earn minutes instead of insisting on his right to them, a lower QO wouldn’t mean anything because a team would take a chance on him with a larger contract.

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October 19, 2021 9:56 pm
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Yeah desperation is exactly right. The agent knows that absolutely no Kings fans really believe his struggles are due to mismanagement by the team, rather than Marv’s own body and skill.

So the audience for the tweet is really the next team’s GM, who can use that as the argument for why they’re paying anything more than league minimum for him.

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October 19, 2021 3:53 pm

It’s too bad that Bagley being removed from the rotation didn’t come with Vlade Divac’s jersey being unretired.

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October 19, 2021 4:29 pm
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Or Robert horry missing that fateful shot…

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October 19, 2021 9:51 pm
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Assist Vlade

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October 19, 2021 6:34 pm
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I was around for the glory years. Love Vlade the player, and love his uniform on the rafters.

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October 19, 2021 9:35 pm
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I was also around for the glory years. I liked Vlade as a player, but he wasn’t nearly as good as CWebb or Peja, so I wouldn’t have retired his #.

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October 20, 2021 10:18 am
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I am glad the decision was not yours to make. Those teams wouldn’t have been what they were without Vlade. Facts.

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The great thing about those years was how well the team played together and their ball movement and Vlade was integral to that. I see what you mean, he was not magic Johnson or Lebron, but that was the best thing ever to happen to a weak franchise and he deserves a lot of credit for that. And we should appreciate it because as we have seen over the last 15 years, it is not to be taken for granted.

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October 19, 2021 3:53 pm

Should this be a dance thread?

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October 20, 2021 12:53 am
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I nominate this for comment of the year. 👆

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October 19, 2021 3:53 pm

I think his agent has a point though. If they had offers for him or received counters, move on! It’s time to be done. What did they expect to get in trade – a starter and a protected 1st?? And his value ain’t gonna climb being out of the rotation.

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October 19, 2021 3:55 pm
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My guess (based on nothing) is they were/are hoping to package him with Buddy and maybe other assets in exchange for a player who’s actually kind of good. It hasn’t happened yet. Schwartz is doing the only thing he can to try to salvage Bagley’s value: shout “KANGZ” to distract from the fact that his client has not shown himself worthy of a spot in an NBA rotation.

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October 19, 2021 4:56 pm
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That said, I believe the only person from whom we’ve heard anything about offers or counters for him is his agent. Which is about as biased a source as you can get.

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October 20, 2021 11:13 am

And on top of that we don’t know if any of those potential trades would have been good for the Kings. The agent doesn’t care about that. He only cares if they would’ve been good for his client. Any trade would’ve been good from his standpoint.

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October 19, 2021 5:02 pm
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The “if” at the beginning of your second sentence is doing a hell of a lot of heavy lifting.

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October 20, 2021 10:25 pm
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When did you start believing what agents say?

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October 19, 2021 3:54 pm

The Kings gave Bagley every chance to earn a spot in the rotation over the last 3 seasons. He responded by being a defensive sieve and an offensive black hole, with the durability of wet paper. He still can’t use his right hand, he can’t rotate on time to protect the lane, and he breaks every time the cooling Delta breeze comes wafting through G1C’s hangar doors from the southwest. Marvin Bagley and his “camp” have mismanaged Marvin Bagley. The Kings’ only sin was picking him in the first round, never mind the top 2.

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October 20, 2021 10:20 am
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All this. Especially regarding Marvin’s camp…

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October 20, 2021 11:15 am
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So basically you’re saying that it’s the hangar doors fault. Gotcha.

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October 19, 2021 3:56 pm

Because of course something like this was going to happen. And yet I’m not even a bit surprised. Good ‘ol Kangz never fails to disappoint.

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October 19, 2021 3:58 pm

Well, he can’t get hurt if they send him home!

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October 19, 2021 4:00 pm

The agent is right about it being a little crazy that he is out of the rotation and that we haven’t moved him (also hilarious he openly says his client isn’t worth anything).

On the other hand, he is horribly wrong about how he is going about this. The Bagleys in the end may be worse than the Ball family and not even close to as good.

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October 19, 2021 4:06 pm

Finally, the Kings make Bagley accountable by making him earn his minutes. The team has turned a corner, with young players like Haliburton and Mitchell setting the tone without being held back by Bagley’s sense of entitlement. I can only imagine what Mitchell thinks of him.

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October 19, 2021 4:11 pm

As I said on the other thread, most of the responsibility with what’s happening is on Marvin Bagley, not his dad or his agent. That being said, it was obvious to everyone that this was coming, and the front office has now blown up whatever value Bagley had by getting next to nothing done with the roster over the last year.

Yes, Alex Len and Tristan Thompson are less of a net negative than Bagley today, and the Kings front office completely mismanaged this situation by not dealing Bagley earlier.

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October 19, 2021 4:15 pm
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Shucks, and Bagley’s value around the league was so high before all of this, but McNair insisted on getting an All-Star, and now here we are.

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October 19, 2021 4:35 pm
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I’m not going to respond to you trying to distort or create a straw man out of my argument, other than to point out that I see it happening.

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October 19, 2021 6:48 pm
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A couple of weeks ago you wanted to guarantee him playing time. Now he is garbage?

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October 20, 2021 11:19 am
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I would argue (as other people above have) that a $6 million worthless player is more valuable than a $14 million worthless player, at least in terms of actually being able to trade him.

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October 19, 2021 4:14 pm

Your move, Monte?

Do you actually want him to address this? The only concern McNair has with Bagley is trying to spin him off for something of decent value. If Bagley’s agent wants to lower his own client’s value, then give the man credit for innovating a new way to get paid as an agent: Cutting his own throat and percentage.

If McNair says anything about this, I will be greatly disappointed.

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October 19, 2021 4:47 pm
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I think readers on this site will say plenty on his behalf! Agreed that Monte just needs to sit tight and wait for the right offer. And who knows, Bagley might very well be worth a $6 million QO some day.

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October 19, 2021 5:06 pm
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It’s a lot more than saying things. A motive is frequently ascribed to McNair as the reason why Bagley is still on the roster. As if Kings fans were the only people on earth able to understand that Marvin Bagley isn’t worth $11 million per season.

There’s no demand around the league for Wilt Chamberlain, either.

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October 19, 2021 8:56 pm
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LOL

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October 19, 2021 9:58 pm
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Would love to see the $6 million dollar man turn his career around in Sacto. next year….Your move Team Bagley

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October 19, 2021 4:17 pm

If only Bagley would pull a Ben Simmons. Now, that would be hilarious.

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October 19, 2021 4:23 pm
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Phone in his sweatpants pockets during practice?

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October 20, 2021 3:41 am
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I fully expect this to be the next headline on TKH

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October 19, 2021 4:18 pm

Marvin never fails to always disappoint.

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October 19, 2021 4:18 pm

For the fucking love of the game can we please reconcile two bad problems and trade for Ben Simmons. It doesnt have to be this hard for either team.

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October 19, 2021 4:19 pm

The best part of the article…

“Bagley was informed that he is not a part of Luke Walton’s rotation tomorrow night.”

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October 19, 2021 4:24 pm
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WNP-CD

Will Not Play –Coaches Decision

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October 19, 2021 4:30 pm
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If only we could WNC Coachless Walton—Will Not Coach- fans decision.

Getting rid of Bags is great, now how about Luke. Then Vivek. Now I’m dreaming.

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October 19, 2021 5:19 pm
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I am clairvoyant! This was before the agent statement:

https://mobile.twitter.com/SactownAnthony/status/1450569873931730946

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October 20, 2021 6:56 am
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There is at least one thing Marvin Bagley and I have in common!

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October 19, 2021 4:26 pm

Man if only Bagley’s value is anywhere close to Simmons, a straight up swap would be a match in heaven!

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October 19, 2021 4:26 pm

Lol. Fuck Marvin (Trash)Bagley. I used to give shit about the Ball family, but Marvin surrounds himself with even more toxic and worthless people.

Honestly? I don’t give a shit if Marvin doesn’t play another game in a Kings uniform. He needs to GTFO and not be a distraction.

Sucks that he wasn’t Luka. But I was hoping he would be a strong NBA player at the least and not a brittle piece of glass that can’t stay healthy and develop.

Yogurt should have instructed Marvin how to use the Schwartz properly.

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October 19, 2021 4:31 pm

Schwartz speaks for his client. Fine – that’s his job. But how does this help his client? and second, MB3 has to earn minutes- that is, produce. On the court. Schwartz ought to be publicly quiet, wait for Marvin to get his opportunity and then encourage his client to make the case for more playing time.
What good is the yappidy-yap?
Potential deals? like what? a bag of popcorn, offered by Daryl Morey who sees deals only through his own lens?
Offered MB3 to Detroit for S. Bey – no go from Detroit.
Rhetorical: why are second overall picks so problematic?

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October 19, 2021 4:34 pm

FLOP. Most definitely, your biggest flop.
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October 19, 2021 4:34 pm

Qualifying offer? Guy is gonna be in China next year

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October 19, 2021 4:35 pm

I’m Nostradumbassing by tomorrow morning there will be 300+ comments here.

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October 19, 2021 6:47 pm
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Bagley is undoubtedly a TKH hall of famer for clicks…he will be missed!

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October 20, 2021 10:24 am
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Along with Shumpert, IT, and DMC.
I actually miss a couple of those guys. Marvin, not so much…

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October 19, 2021 4:37 pm

I don’t need soap operas.
I don’t need reality TV.
For all the drama I want in life,
I’ve got my Sacramento Kings.

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October 19, 2021 4:43 pm

I think that Tweet is a bit unfair given that the current management is not the reason that Marvin Bagley is not a good player. Further, we know that Monte offered Bagley for Saddiq Bey, whose numbers are comparable to Bagley’s, at the deadline last year, but was turned down by the Pistons. It’s not that Monte is not passing on deals. He is simply unable to trade Bagley for someone who can crack the Kings rotation. If that’s the case, it makes logical sense that Bagley can’t crack the Kings rotation either.

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October 19, 2021 4:45 pm

That’s just a GOOD news to be heard for me……particularly…..
Really smart move by the coach and the front office….

p.s. How can you guys still blame McNair for not dealing him last season / this off-season….they tried to “display” Bagley to other 29 teams by forcing to play him as the starting PF…and over 25 mins per game…….it’s pretty obvious that the FO did want to trade him for some fair trade value……………
Just imagaine what our record would be if we played some other player instead of Bagley……..we probably at least already in the play-in.

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October 19, 2021 4:53 pm

Statement by players agent: My client isn’t all that good at basketball and the Kings no longer gifting him unearned minutes is going to eat into my commission. I don’t like this at all.

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October 19, 2021 4:54 pm

Good, sit his ass. They should not play him at the expense of bettering the team. It is well documented that he is one of the worst defenders in the league at his position. His camp is the worst, his agent isn’t helping him. His value was already low, that’s why they haven’t traded him yet. If he wants to pull a Ben Simmons, withhold his salary and fine his ass. Meantime, maybe Team Bagley should STFU. And all of you enablers of his bitch ass behavior.

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October 19, 2021 5:15 pm
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The situation of Simmons continue to become more interesting, as Simmons being suspended and also refused to participate in practice….

McNair better work out another deal with 76ers for Simmons ASAP….

Hield, Bagley, 1/2 picks for Simmons……..
beneficial to both parties indeed.

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October 19, 2021 6:34 pm

not beneficial for the Sixers

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October 19, 2021 7:12 pm
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Much more beneficial than Simmons pulling a Butler and sabotaging practices and team morale in general. Right now, he is an emotional vampire sucking the life out that locker room…and I love it.

This is what Morey gets for his ridiculous trade demands. Had he negotiated in good faith at the beginning of the summer, this would not be happening right now and the return would have been better.

Right now, Morey is lucky if teams don’t lower their original offers.

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Completely agree. This is all amusingly on Morey at this point. Now if we could just get Doc to stop by here and tell Marv to leave practice.

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October 19, 2021 7:38 pm
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If we’re holding Morey responsible for not dealing Simmons, are we holding McNair responsible for not dealing Bagley, especially since this blowup has been obvious for months? I say yes to both, though Morey adds a layer of ridiculous and better value that makes that situation worse.

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October 19, 2021 7:47 pm
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It’s just the asking price, right? And then the stubbornness to hold onto that asking price, long after it was clear to the universe it was too high. I think Monte asking for Bey is in the ballpark at least. And since then, I think he was hoping to include Marv in a package. That said, Monte certainly hasn’t proven himself in trades.

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October 19, 2021 7:58 pm
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Yep, I agree. Those are all very fair points.

Holding Bagley and then having it blow up is not a team changing blunder in any way, but what gets me is that it was so damn obvious this was going to happen.

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October 19, 2021 8:01 pm
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Marv is also expiring. So worst case, just let him stay home and then take the cap space next year. Simmons has 4 more years. Pretty big difference, really.

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October 19, 2021 8:19 pm
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Those a gross mismanagement of a contract, cash, and a roster spot, IMO. Pay a guy on his rookie contract $11M to stay home? Has that ever happened before?

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October 19, 2021 8:28 pm
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I did say worst case. It’s better than getting 2 yrs of a Tony Snell at 11m, though, IMO.

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October 19, 2021 8:38 pm
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What does Tony Snell have to do with Bagley?

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October 19, 2021 8:45 pm
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Nothing. It’s just a hypothetical. There are worse things than letting Marv sit for one year – things our past front offices might have actually done.

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October 19, 2021 8:52 pm
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I guess I figure if you plan to have him sit, and there is no trade for him, you might as well cut him and open a spot for something else. If anything it removes the distraction.

Maybe you can find a trade that uses his salary as roster filler, much like Z-Bo for Barnes, but that might be the best case you could hope for if you really intend to not play him again.

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October 19, 2021 9:41 pm
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How are the Bagley and Simmons situations similar Spackler? Other than that, Monte McNair is responsible for this Bagley issue. Because that always falls under the umbrella of the GM.

It doesn’t mean McNair is at fault for this Bagley problem, however.

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October 20, 2021 8:41 am
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How are the Bagley and Simmons situations similar Spackler?

They didn’t deal the guy when they should have, the situation was obviously going to get worse, and now the situation is worse.

It doesn’t mean McNair is at fault for this Bagley problem, however.

It’s absolutely not McNair’s fault Bagley is bad at basketball or that his team is filled with fools. But he knew (or should have known) Bagley would be out of the rotation, and he knew (or should have known) Bagley and/or his team would blow up the situation.

Bagley needed to go, but the front office didn’t deal him, which was a mistake. More of a “What are you doing over there” than something that’s going to break the team. Hopefully, this puts them in gear to move the guy. I’m hoping the situation doesn’t devolve even further, especially if they sit on him.

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October 20, 2021 5:18 pm
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They didn’t deal the guy when they should have, the situation was obviously going to get worse, and now the situation is worse.

Eh, show me what deals they passed up. Otherwise, there’s nothing the same about Bagley and Simmons situations.

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October 19, 2021 7:32 pm
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But there’s also what happens on the court, where Bagley would suck the life out of 76ers on both ends. The NBA is, ultimately, about talent, and you don’t give up talent for someone who has a lot less of it.

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October 20, 2021 11:32 am
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Not quite true. The Sixers need shooters in order to space the floor around Embiid and Hield is an elite shooter. Hell, Bagley can shoot some 3’s on occasion (ok, that last was a bit of sarcasm).

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October 19, 2021 5:12 pm

I will admit, I have irrationally been holding out hope that Bagley will figure it out in Sac, and we will have not completely screwed over the 2018 draft. O.K., Hope gone. Play him, sit him. Whatever. I’m not going to expend any more psychic energy on him. He is now an afterthought. Lets go Kings!

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October 19, 2021 5:15 pm

BTW, love the tagline – “ok, NOW it feels like the Kings season is about to start.” I was waiting for the KANGZ news to show up. Just wouldn’t seem right without it.

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October 19, 2021 6:09 pm

LOL, I knew the team would go Kangz before too long. Let’s hope this doesn’t become a locker room issue for the other players. I wonder if they don’t bother to dress him and make him sit in a suit behind the bench. Only 13 can dress tomorrow night. My guess would be: Fox, Hali, Buddy, Mitchell, TD, Barnes, Harkless, Holmes TT, Len, Metu, King, Ramsey.

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October 19, 2021 6:11 pm

More bemused than angry here. Deandre Ayton didn’t get a qualifying offer either. Phoenix had the #1 pick in 2018. They could have taken Luka Doncic. Their crappy front office didn’t and blew it. So whatever happened to the Phoenix Moons? Oh, they’re defending Western Conference champs.

Bagley is not the worst player ever. He’s had a better Kings career than Jimmer Fredette and Thomas Robinson combined (throw in Quincy Douby and Spencer Hawes for good measure). If he could stay healthy he’d easily be better than Ben McLemore. If he could stay healthy and figure out NBA defense, he’d be a front line player. Every draft pick is a gamble. Lots of #2 picks are busts (look it up). Doncic, Trey Young, Michael Porter are gambles that paid off (kind of like De’Aaron Fox, Tyrese Halliburton and very likely, Davion Mitchell). Would anyone trade Fox for Markelle Fultz?

It looks like Bagley was set for major minutes this year until yet another injury happened. You can’t make the club from the tub, as they say in football. His family and management team can’t keep their mouths closed on social media but that’s not only a Kings/Marvin Bagley problem these days. One thing I don’t like as a fan is, short of bugging Monte McNair’s office, we really don’t know what’s going on behind the scenes.

It gets less likely that Bagley is going to turn it around, at least with the Kings, but stranger things have happened. A couple of years ago Zach Levine didn’t get an extension from the Bulls. The Kings signed him as an RFA and then the Bulls matched. As 2018 fades into the past, so does the magnitude of not the most astute use of a high draft choice by the former general manager. The Kings will find somebody to play power forward. Hopefully, someone good enough to take them to the playoffs.

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October 19, 2021 7:35 pm
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“It looks like Bagley was set for major minutes this year until yet another injury happened.”

I think that the performance of Mitchell made this less and less likely, and the Kings did what I didn’t think management had the toughness to do, bench him. The fact that Bagley is better than a laundry list of Kings’ busts doesn’t say much for him. 

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October 19, 2021 10:25 pm
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A realized potential Bagley–a decent inside scorer and rebounder, a bit of a threat from outside, not a liability on defense, stays healthy–would be a good asset for the Kings who otherwise don’t have that kind of power forward. There’s a (slimming) chance Bagley realizes that potential, but it will probably happen on another team (Julius Randle). Definitely not holding my breath though.
Willie Cauley-Stein–comparable to Marvin Bagley on the KIngs, though he was drafted a little lower. Cauley-Stein’s fourth year with the Kings really did him in.

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October 19, 2021 11:52 pm
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I actually thought WCS’ last year was pretty good – I wouldn’t have been mad if Vlade offered something in the $10M/yr range. Of course, Willie overplayed his hand and ended up bouncing around at the vet min but he was a very effective rim runner and improving defender in the 18/19 season.

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October 19, 2021 6:24 pm

Who’s the bigger joke, Marvin or his agent?

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October 19, 2021 8:26 pm

His agent.

Bagley’s trying.

His agent is a dumbass.

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October 19, 2021 9:02 pm
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Very accurate. All reports out of camp are that Bagley was working as hard as anyone and had bought into the competitiveness the staff was emphasizing.

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October 20, 2021 5:37 am
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Right, and that was the agent’s m.o. here. His client was doing everything right in preseason, and still couldn’t crack the rotation on a bad team….

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October 20, 2021 7:11 pm
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“The right thing” Bagley has been conditioned to do is simple.

”I am here coach. I will start once my knees feel 100%”

For the first time in Bagley’s life someone has been real with him.

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October 19, 2021 10:41 pm

The agent is working for Bagley, and Bagley had to give him the go-ahead.
Hell, Bagley may even insisted on doing this, despite a warning from his agent.

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October 20, 2021 8:47 am
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Yeah, I’m done with Bagley ducking responsibility for the people speaking for him. Bagley is responsible for what his agent said.

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October 19, 2021 6:27 pm

“The Kings, for the first time in forever, have something resembling playoff (or play-in) expectations.”

I couldn’t get past this… We do? Thought we were still a season or two away

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October 19, 2021 7:03 pm

Pretend this plays out the way Bagley’s dick head agent wants it to go….

Vivek calls dick head agent. “So sorry. Please do not embarrass this glorious organization any more. I will handle this.”

Vivek calls Walton. “Bagley will play. We will start Bagley every game. His potential is too great to ignore.”

Walton speaks to Bagley. “Hey you got the start as long as you are on this team.”

McNair begins drafting a max contract for Bagley…..

Bagley. “Great coach. But my knees. I need another six months to heal.”

Bagley is sadly the weakness in every situation he is involved with.

Last edited 2 years ago by AnybodyButBagley
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October 19, 2021 7:45 pm

I think they want Bagley dealt, so he has a chance to play somewhere, since that doesn’t seem like it’s going to happen in Sac. Bagley hasn’t earned much of anything with his play or unwillingness to address the off court messes his team creates, but I understand wanting to be moved to a better situation.