The Sacramento Kings have a game tonight against the 7th seed Minnesota Timberwolves and I really can't speak too much about it because the Kings have traded Tyrese Haliburton and Buddy Hield to the Indiana Pacers for Domantas Sabonis. I, uhh, I'm rewriting this preview on the fly but I'm certainly going to have thoughts on this in the coming days. For right now, I'll just say: Tyrese Haliburton was easily my favorite Sacramento Kings and the Kings certainly picked a lane.
Let's talk Kings basketball!
When: Tuesday, February 8th, 7:00 PM PT
Where: Golden 1 Center, Sacramento, CA
TV: NBCSCA - Mark Jones (play-by-play)
Radio: KHTK Sports 1140 AM
For Your Consideration
A Lone Fox: Well, the Kings certainly picked a direction. No such thing as tanking in that Morey mindset, huh? Feel free to talk amongst yourselves today as you all have overloaded the site to the point where I'm having trouble writing! Looking forward to seeing Sabonis prove a lot of naysayers wrong, looking forward to Tyrese Haliburton becoming a multi-time All-Star in Indiana. I'm a bit in shock.
Wolves are very good though. Don't expect two wins in the next few days.
More moves to be made, less money for charity, I own a Hali Pacers jersey at some point.
Kings: 111, Wolves. 104
I am really excited to see what DeAaron Fox can do now that he has been given the keys to the franchise. I am going to miss Buddy Buckets though, one of my all time favorite Kings. Buddy going on a heater every seven or eight games has been one of the highlights to this season.
I can’t believe you and I see Buddy so differently Mike. I can’t believe the Kings were able to trade him in this package, honestly.
But I do like the possibilities for this roster alot more than I did 24 hours ago.
We finally agree on something today!
Try to forget it so we can continue to agree to disagree. I can’t handle us agreeing on anything!
I love Buddy irrationally. I always fall in love with shooters. He always made me laugh as well, and while I meant it a bit sarcastically, Buddy on a heater was a highlight of a pretty dreary season.
That being said, the fact that we unloaded him when he makes more money than Sabonis over the next two years without giving up draft capitol is good negotiating by Monte, and a credit to Tyrese for having that much value.
I am really glad, if we were getting one of Indiana’s bigs, that it was Sabonis and not Turner. I am a big Sabonis fan, and watch a lot of Indiana basketball, and there is a Dedmon-ness to Turner, where what he is on paper seems a lot better than when you watch him for an extended period.
I think this is now Fox’s audition for whether or not he’ll be here next year. The knock has been “he can be a top tier player if he had some help”. Now he has an all-star playing next to him. If he can’t elevate his game, I’d be shocked if he isn’t moved this offseason.
Finally I can comment on something!…
When everyone is healthy, I’d kind of love to see how damned fast the Kings can go using a Fox/Mitchell/Davis lineup. And if Holiday is anything like his brother, he won’t be one to slow things down. Hell, play all four, let’s get a top three pick.
Because playing fast has always worked out so well.
Pace wins championships. Just look at all the championship teams that focus on pace.
I hate to lose Ty just like everyone else….but this is a GREAT trade!
McGenius strikes again! I thought he was asleep at the wheel, unwilling or incapable of the big deal? Find a new narrative Doomers! And now that the blockbuster is done, these same critics are going to chime in on the merits of the deal and expected to be taken seriously?!
As much as I love Ty, I have stronger dislike for Buddy. He’s killed us for three seasons and running. No one wanted him but we found a taker in a trade that brought us the better player. The cancer has been excised. Oh my oh my, how this fills my heart and soul with peace and joy!!
Pick and roll with Fox, Davion and Sabby is going to be LETHAL. Lights out on the league. With Sabonis low to mid post presence we have a hub with which to run our offense. It is going to help our cutters and shooters, including 25% Fox, to play inside out and knock down deep ball. String music on the horizon, splash!
We also nabbed ourselves a future 2nd rounder….BOOM!
During the negotiations McGenius was like “cough up the draft capital or you can talk to the hand!”
“And if you aint gonna take our soul-sucking scrub owed 40M after this season talk to the samehand!
Our GM was willing to endure the slings and arrows from the fanbase by sending away a beloved player in the best interest of the team. This is what leaders and strategic thinkers do. They take calculated risk and subsume their popularity over short term for the greater good, similar to when Petrie drafted Peja. Did he care about popularity? By contrast, after Vlade drafted Willie, he asked the media “how did I do?”
Wasn’t Sabonis suppose to retrieve trade package similar to what ORL got for Vucevic, i.e. multiple firsts and young prospect? The Pacers got their young prospect (star) but they got NO picks and we got them to take a worthless useless player.
Our books are clean!
There are fake pundits who say Buddy needs to go somewhere where his role is better defined, then he will fluorish. Oh really? Watch and see. He can’t get open, he cant shake his defender, and he blows many defensive assignments. This is going to change with a new team?
This trade facilitates a move that should have been made from Day 1: Davion as PG starter, shift Fox to SG. Our defense is going to go from neutral to bad in the backcourt to good to great. To the extent Foxs ankles issues are real, and the serious injury he had two years ago was real, he is going to benefit significantly in the shift of responsibility, guarding up instead of down.
I bet he plays tonight. It is a miracle, he’s cured!
If Davion was not 19 PPG on 50% FGs in last 6 games is this trade made? This is the fluid nature to the league and nimble thinking of which a good GM must engage. He thought Davion could do it, but until it was verified, surrendering Ty was tough ask.
With expectations regarding Davion confirmed, albeit over small sample size, and especially while unloading of such a toxic player, this GM made prudent choice. It had to be done.
Davion needs to show this stretch was no anomaly. The faith the GM has in him needs to be validated. Similarly, Fox needs embrace his new role on defense. Be the defender you have not be guarding more aligned to your athletic and physical profile, take inspiration from Top 5 on-ball defender.
With Davion getting 30 MPG starting tonight at PG, I see NO reason Fox should not start logging very good defensive games at SG.
Holmes needs to go. Thanks for the memories but bye. He’s undersized not the defensive presence we need next to Sabonis.
HB does work with Sabonis. Unless we are blown away by an offer for HB, we should NOT trade HB! HB is a keeper. I hope another team gets desperate and offers us the Moon for HB. Unless that happens why would we trade Barnes? He is too good!
Setting aside the hurt of losing a great guy and player in Ty, it is a GREAT day to be a Kings fan. You have to give to get, and you have to give to get rid of the TRASH.
Our trash bin went from full (Marvin and Buddy) to half full (Marvin).
God please let the bin be bare within the next 48 hours!
Again, we surrendered NO picks and got rid of a toxic albatross. Do NOT underestimate addition by subtraction. Buddy will never shoot another shot with SAC, never yuck it up with the opposition following lopsided loss, never blow another defensive assignment that results in an easy dunk.
Fox has NO reason to gripe he is being replaced, or underappreciated, that two PGs were taken two years in a row after his max deal. Additionally he can be thankful of his move to SG defensively. This is great for him and his gimpy ankles. He should be buoyed mentally by these events as he bids farewell to a friend.
Lo and behold, he’s healed! It is a miracle. I suspect Fox’s ankle soreness is about to be cured.
Expect Sabonis transition to be seemless. He’s a high IQ player. He always makes the smart play. He carves out the space on the floor for himself or teammate. Hes a beast in the paint, and he will kick or finish as the defense dictates. No, hes not going to provide the resistance we need at the rim, why Holmes needs to be demoted behind Jones. It won’t happen but we should fire the Old Man, he’s not going to assimilate the new talent expeditiously.
I haven’t given it much thought, but how about a Holmes to CHA trade that brings back Kai Jones! We need hyper active athletes next to Sabonis. We have one more trade to go between now and the deadline, and it is Holmes and Marvin that we have as our bargaining chips.
I would not be as sad to see HB go as Ty, but we better bring back a Kings ransom if HB goes. I am not worried regardless. McGenius had got this. 😉
Nice fucking model, McGenius!
I’m never sure if you’re joking or not, but dammit if you’re not the most entertaining poster on here…this is absolute gold: “During the negotiations McGenius was like “cough up the draft capital or you can talk to the hand!”
My favorite was “Oh my oh my, how this fills my heart and soul with peace and joy!!”
One might say that the 2020 draft selection has become Damontis Sabonis.
Just as an aside, but if the Kings wanted to trade Richaun Holmes for Kai Jones and PJ Washington they could. (Would the Hornets?) If need be, the Kings could trade either Chimezie Metu or Damion Jones (probably Metu) to the Hornets to even out the deal.
Who says no?
That would be an ideal trade for Holmes. It really would.
If we couldn’t get that, do you think Toronto would give us Boucher/Flynn? Boucher could be a good value to resign as a stretch 4.
I wonder, since we were able to get Sabonis without giving up any draft capitol, if we could pry Collins away with Barnes and a couple of FRP’s, or one pick and a couple of swaps. I could get excited about a Fox-Sabonis-Collins-Davion core.
Possible Mike re: Raptors. I think Holmes and Barnes could get the Kings quality returns in both cases. That seems to be the consensus. The Barnes for Collins deal is very interesting, and I love that Sabonis-Collins pairing from an offensive standpoint (and defensively you’d have to have a super stud at the other wing spot).
I think overpaying a bit for Collins could be a worthwhile gamble much like Chicago paid a heavy price for Vuc and Demar. Collins, Sabonis, Fox is something you could fill in the blanks with.
Well, and that trio is cheaper than Fox-Hield-Barnes was this year. FWIW.
This post feels like borderline satire, much like this trade has me borderline optimistic/queasy. Since we can read them either way, it’s a win in my book!
what is the protection on the 2023 draft pick? Is it protected for 31-55- meaning that Pacers will keep it in all likelihood or is it the other way around Kings get it if 31-55? or is it a 2027 pick? Hope trading not finished.
Hali will flourish and so might DS.
Fox and Hali just did not play well together- not intent, just fit.
There are other moves to be made.
Best case: this trade is parallel to Bulls getting Vuc from Orlando. Orlando got Wagner out of that. Pacers get Hali.
If Mitchell shoots better this is not so bad. But I will miss Hali.
I believe the Kings will get it if it’s between 31-55.
How is Wagner doing?
Such a long post praising McNair and very little in regards to losing statistically the best player and fan favorite on the Kings in Hali. Fucking cutthroat.. It’s almost as if McNair could shoot a person in broad daylight in the middle of 5th avenue
It’ll be okay Will. Don’t worry. I promise you that Tyrese Haliburton isn’t the only King you will enjoy watching play in the future!
Yeah, I’m fine with it mostly. I just hated having to erase hundreds of words and then rewriting when the site is so slow!
Monte broke TKH!!!! And, I’m really looking forward to your bitch session on the podcast. Really looking forward to it. 🙂
Well, at least one silver lining is that the site is slow because the site is really popular!
I’m going with a Tibco hack, just as they were announcing the trade.
Sabs after 2 year rental:
Can’t get into the trade thread.
Just wanted to say, I hate this fucking trade.
Hello 11th seed, 12th pick. Goodbye Hali, top-5 pick.
Fuck you Kangz.
So you are mad at a trade that you admit makes us 6-7 playoff positions better?
I don’t think he said that. This trade might make the gets slightly better for a brief moment but it will continue to look worse as time goes on.
He did say that…
How kings fans dislike this too much is crazy to me.
Basically traded Hali for Sabonis and a 2nd. Sabonis is the better player right now full stop.
I like how James Ham put it earlier, basically saying if we had the #12 pick in this upcoming draft and the Pacers offered Sabonis for the #12 pick and Buddy’s garbage contract, we jump at that every time.
That makes no sense. Haliburton so far is the third best player in his draft. So would we give up the third pick in the upcoming draft? It depends on what the game plan is. If I’m building for the future, No, if I think I can win now with a couple of more immediate trades then yes. I can’t see how this is enough to make up the 15 below 500 deficit we have. If that’s not the case, what in the hell are we doing. McNair better follow this up quickly with another trade that yields an impact player. Maybe they go after Dame with Fox and some draft picks. If that occurs and we have Mitchell, Dame, Barnes, Sabonis and we also snag Juric that’s an interesting team. We won’t stop anybody but we’ll put up some points for sure.
Sabonis is very likely to be the better player and fit next season as well.
This isn’t a one season move
Agreed, that analogy makes no sense. (Is that really how Ham worded it? Can’t find the source.) The 12th pick in the upcoming draft is an unknown, in terms of not just who we might get but how that player will turn out. Tyrese is a known quantity we’ve been able to evaluate for 2 years now.
Makes me wish that, what was his name? Damian Zamboni? I wish he wasn’t such an unknown quantity.
I don’t understand your post Andy, but to clarify mine: I wasn’t referencing Sabonis at all, let alone saying saying he’s an unknown quantity. Was just saying the hypothetical “12th pick in the upcoming draft” is not as much a known/quantifiable asset as Tyrese himself is, therefore Ham’s analogy equating the two doesn’t make sense to me.
Haliburton has been flipped for a twenty-five year-old two-time all-star. You’re talking about an upcoming draft as though it was relevant to what happened today, and I can’t find the connection. Well, other than we still have that asset for now, and with so many games left, it could fall anywhere.
That’s a lot of hyphens, and I am sorry about that.
Ah, I think we’re in violent agreement. Per the post I was responding to, *James Ham* is trying to make the connection to the upcoming draft as though it was relevant (apparently likening trading Hali to trading a 12th pick, since that’s where Hali was selected). I don’t see the logic, and sounds like you don’t either.
Oh and to be clear, I don’t mind the trade – in that I’m aligned with Ham (and you, if I understand you correctly). I just disagreed with Ham’s analogy.
OK, blame Ham then! It was during his time with Dlo and KC earlier.
Hali will never be as good as Sabonis !
Not everyone sees it this way…
I think the general consensus is that this isn’t a good trade for the Kings. I’m fine with the deal, though there must be more changes (shooting) for this team to actually be good. I think the ship has sailed on Fox and he needs to go for a shooter while he can still be moved.
The consensus is that Buddy Hield was an useful NBA player. He is….but not in Sacramento and was horrific and horrible here for the most part this season. That’s not being discussed anywhere but in Sac right now.
If Buddy continues to play like crap in Indy, that’ll come out. I watched the clip, JJ Redick actually said Tyrese Haliburton is a good defender. So let’s not pretend these are guys who watch this team all the time. It’s just…as usual…let’s crap on the Kangz because that’s how we roll.
Zach Lowe almost did it, but stopped short because he knows Domas could work. He’s just saying the roster as constructed doesn’t work without more shooting. Which is like, yeah, and? No duh.
That’s always a safe bet, but this trade could certainly go wrong. Aside from Reddick’s comment about defense, I don’t think any of their comments were actually wrong. Maybe the consensus is biased by the Kings endless incompetence, but everything I’ve read and seen says the Kings lost the trade. Again, I’m OK with it, because the team was going nowhere and needed a change. The proof, as you say is in the Jello puddin’ pops.
You know that, and I know that, but do the Kings know that? Can or will they do anything about it?
I don’t think it’s enough to add peripheral shooters. In a lineup of Sabonis, Fox, Mitchell, Holmes, Barnes, only one of them can shoot the ball. That might be marginally better than the current team, because you’re basically replacing Harkless with Sabonis (but also Haliburton with Mitchell). But it’s not a good team. Sabonis is a good player, young and on a good deal. No question. But if they actually want to be good, they’ve barely even started working on this team.
I’m not sure Fox plus Sabonis are even enough to be good as your #2 and #3 players without an MVP caliber #1 (with Fox being the biggest issue).
Saw the Reddick take on ESPN. As you said, these guys don’t know the context- I love Hali but he is not a good defender and maybe others have Buddy valued higher than we do here- we who see him every game.
Kings got a 2 time All Star at age 25 for a guy who has played exceedingly well for a half season and for a guy who can shoot the lights out but not make the lights out.
The word on the street was that Buddy had no trade value yet the commentators act like he was a high value guy.
Kings will finish above the Bottom Tanker Four + Pacers + Blazers. That’s 7th. Even with no trade would have been 5,6 or 7. The Pacers and Blazers seriously want to lose as do the Bottom Four. NOP now are an upswing.
Lost 1 or 2 draft slots. Not 6 or 7.
Love Hali, but how quickly we all forget his disappearing acts and terrible on ball D. He had stuff to work on. I’m sad to see him go, but I have no problem with this trade. The ESPN and Twitter experts throwing all the shade don’t cover, or even watch the Kings. Their opinions are basically worthless.
Anyone not calling out the value of dumping Buddy’s deal is not paying attention.
Holiday and Lamb are solid players, too. Not filler.
Agreed. Holiday is a decent enough catch and shoot player and has decent length, and Lamb is a good to very good bench scorer who we might be able to re-sign cheaply due to his injury issues.
Holiday yes, Lamb no
Well they did something and I’m not sure where they are going with this trade. I guess they think they are all in now. Might as well go after Lillard now. Maybe Fox, Holmes and two first rounders for DAME and Juric.
Success logging in!
Minnesota comes in for a pair;
Not much reason for us now to care.
For the T-Wolves a breather–
The Kings won’t win either–
Losing Tyrese leaves us in despair!
Missing a Jman rhyme would have been an emotional hit we couldn’t take after losing Tyrese.
Now get us Pj Washington for Holmes
Gotta keep Barnes now, right? I think people keep forgetting he’s shooting 41% from 3. Buddy was not our second best shooter. Not even close. Move Barnes to SF and let him camp on the perimeter, might be a good fit with Sabonis.
Btw, according to James Ham and Sean Cunningham on the Kings Beat, Justin Holiday’s vax status will not keep him from playing.
I thought that was right. I’m just glad someone else in the know actually mentioned that.
his status will not keep him from playing here but he cannot play in SF and in NY. Interesting because brother Jrue is a vax advocate.
Ugh. Trading Fox would’ve been better than trading Hali. This is definitely a shakeup before the TDL.
Will – just curious: how long does it take to put up a game thread?