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Kings Summer League Championship Celebration and Offseason Review with Jerry Reynolds

No time for losers, 'cause we are the summer league champions, of the world!!!!!!

The Kings Herald Show returns with a SUMMER LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP (!!!) to discuss.

Jerry Reynolds, Will Griffith, and Tony Xypteras break down Bobby Jackson's run to a summer league title with the young Kings, where (and if) some of these summer league stars fit on the 2021-22 regular season roster, and the work Monte McNair still needs to do to turn the Kings into a real playoff threat.

Timestamps:
  • (1:30) Jerry Reynolds breaks down the summer league.
  • (2:40) Jahmi'us Ramsey’s emergence.
  • (4:50) Expectations for Davion Mitchell coming off a summer league MVP.
  • (13:30) Does Louis King have a future in the NBA?
  • (16:05) Where does Robert Woodard go from here after a rough run in summer league?
  • (30:55) On Bobby Jackson’s impressive run coaching the summer Kings.
  • (38:15) Thoughts on the 2021-22 Kings regular season schedule.
  • (50:20) Has Monte McNair built a playoff roster in the Western Conference?

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Kangz_Landing
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August 24, 2021 2:47 pm

Love Jerry! Get this man back on my Kings broadcast!

In other news, Larry Nance is on the trade block. Looks like he fits that starting 4 spot perfectly.

Nance, Osman, and Windler for Buddy and Woodard.

Not the big splash everyone wants but I think getting Buddy out before Training Camp allows the new guys to come in and assimilate before the season rather than dealing with Buddy’s headaches when he’s inevitably benched and having to do mid-season adjustments again if he’s dealt at the deadline.

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August 24, 2021 3:17 pm

Enjoyed as usual and loved thoughts on Bobby J and his influence ! Great points on Louis King and Ramsey ,

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August 24, 2021 3:40 pm

I think you’re talking about Derrick Coleman, Jerry

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August 24, 2021 3:41 pm
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—-Ah, Will, you looked it up, didn’t you?

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August 24, 2021 3:48 pm

Glad Jerry’s sticking around! I met the man thirty years ago, my dad and I still talk about it.

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August 24, 2021 4:39 pm

Good podcast as always.

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August 25, 2021 2:03 pm

Unless I misheard, Jerry seemed to be equating this coaches job security with that of the GM. Uh…..excuse me? In his brief tenure McGenius has acquired King, Ramsey, Ty, Davion, Jones, Davis for nothing, next to nothing, or in excessive to expected value at #9 and #12 in the last two drafts. So why would his job be on the line in approximation to the coach who has been at best neutral to mostly negative his whole career?

Our GM has over-performed while our coach has under-performed, and you want to put them in the same boat? If anything, McGenius should get an extension. Our GMs job is secure as anyone’s. It is the coach who is on the thin ice, especially after B-Jax showed the ownership and fandom the proper way to inspire a team to play hard, smart, cohesively and awesome.

It is ridiculous to infer McGenius job would be on the line or compare his status with that of this uninspiring coach who has proved nothing but that he kisses the butt of his players including the “problem child” aka Buddy to win favor by treating subordinates like friends, a relationship dynamic counter to the primary objective.

It is not the fault of the GM Buddy has little to no trade value and Bagley has NO trade value. In this case it is prudent to exercise patience rather than act impetuously and under condition with value at the nadir.

The only way a team might want Marvin is if they haven’t seem him play. The guy sucks in every way until disproven. He’s the Woodard of the parent club, a big zero, a negative on both sides. Marvin needs a transcendent summer, a miracle, a transformation in body, mind and spirit. He needs a life changing off-season equivalent in magnitude to a winning lottery ticket.

Until then balancing the roster is a challenge when you offer Marvin and Buddy to opposing teams and they unequivocally say “no thank you”. In this context, there is NO doubt our defense has taken a quantum leap from one year ago, and this portends moving our two worst defensive players, Buddy and Marvin, down the depth chart if they cannot get with the program.

Now there is the possibility of Markennan. I like the idea but at the same time, the weakest link phenomenon is real, that is, a system or entity is only as strong as its weakest link. The weakest link was Buddy and Marvin, two sieves, high volume jackers and porous defenders, the two most culpable offenders to a 10th place finish despite the brilliance of Fox and Ty, and steadiness of Holmes and HB.

There was an 8th seed to be had but Buddy and Bagley failed woefully. This is the duo we are now wanting to pawn off for a Big Fish like Siakum or Simmons or Markennan, an 19 PPG scorer at age 21? Should it be a shocker when the other side says “nah, hard pass, bro” ?!

You could try to convince Markennan that this is the best place for him to re-establish his value, which is factual given our playmakers and opportunity, starting PF awaits him, then obligate CHI to take Marvin or nothing, or match on a player they don’t want. But there is another factor to consider if you could pull this off and that is do we want to acquire the “new weakest link”, to replace one weak link with another?

Markennan is a better fit as a floor spacer, a younger and stronger Bjelica, but he does not defend or rebound at a high level. How does that help us if we want to commit to defense first and foremost, NO weak links to prevent a Top 10 defense, to play three guards, and we need a glass cleaner and / or active defender on the front line to see it so?

You cannot realize a vision if implementation of said vision is contradictory. Markennan is an upgrade but not optimal, he’s not mobile or nasty, if you sign him your cap becomes messier after this year, though as a trade piece you increase your asset base with him over Marvin. The bottom line is it is not a no-brainer, it is debatable move, and there is opportunity cost too if you chase a better but flawed version of what you already have.

Ultimately, Markennan, Buddy, and Marvin is not super appealing or maybe appealing at all to us or most any team. This is not an indictment of the GM, this is an approximation of reality, so to hold him accountable for not getting something done is unfair. You cannot expect him to wave a magic wand and turn chopped liver to filet mignon.

A trade partner has to become desperate or perceived value has to change. Maybe this amounts to Buddy or Marvin in a new role, a bench spark, garnering tepid but threshold interest. Barring this, they may wallow stagnate or bemoan their fate, dead money at the end of the bench. So be it, unhappy endings are the norm more than the exception with high picks.

The new dynamic, hierarchy and focus on defense, along with the do-or-die status of the coach may be a saving grace and instigator to salvage something for two disappointments. But the GM is not the problem, he is the mastermind, biding his time to transform problems into solutions, lemons to lemonade. If there is a prudent deal to be made, it will be made.

It is not for want of trying or skill the roster is imbalanced. The GM is busting his ass to get this right, using astute analysis, unlike the coach who lacks the skill and personality to be an inspiring and effective leader. The GM is up to the monumental task in his respective role, the coach is not. This distinction should be delineated and shouted from the rooftops.

You cannot fix a problem if you cannot tell the problem fixers from the creators. It would be nice if one of the most prominent voices of the Kings could distinguish as much. It would be nice to hear a vote of confidence instead of crabby uncertainty. If McGenius were to be dismissed based on the summation of his decisions thus far, including probable leading ROY for the second year in a row, you may as well fold up tent, move to Seattle or Timbucktoo, or just dissolve the franchise altogether.

The #1 skill of a GM is an eye for talent. We have a GM with a keen eye. There was NO hope with a GM betting on the likes of Justin Jackson, George Hill, and Willie and trying to sell us on “super just young”. Now there is hope. Now there is more than a snake oil salesman in charge. I should not be the only voice around here adamantly asserting this fact, confusing the incompetence of the coach with the extreme competency of the GM.

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August 25, 2021 4:49 pm
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So you think Walton is bad. And who do you think decided to retain Luke Walton for this upcoming season?

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August 26, 2021 12:13 am
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I know he said it, and we have to hold him to it now. But man, it sure feels like a Vivek mandate to me. I mean, what new GM wouldn’t want their shot to be with their own coach?

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August 26, 2021 12:06 pm
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Agree with this. Vivek, it seems, made McNair keep Walton. Why the fuck would a GM ever keep a coach who resides over the worst D in history. A team that didn’t even make the playin.

It doesn’t appear McNair is a moron. Only a moron would retain Coachless Walton.
Plus, we heard that $ was an issue.

Vivek is still running the show/not allowing McNair to just do what he wants—seems to me

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August 26, 2021 4:42 pm
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None of us can know for sure, but I personally do not believe that keeping Walton was decided by Vivek. I could be wrong, but it seems like that was McNair’s choice.

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August 26, 2021 5:37 pm
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Perhaps but it seems like logically, a GM would want his own coach. And again, why would a GM want to rehire a coach who was just amazingly unsuccessful.

In my opinion, the logic and reason is more on the side of Vivek pushing him to keep Walton.

Plus, this has been Vivek’s issue every fucking time. Except for Vlade, unfortunately.

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August 26, 2021 7:10 pm
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McNair said it was. Therefore he owns it.

And for folks who say it’s Vivek’s choice and McNair is just going along with the plan, then fuck McNair for being a “yes man”

To me it’s that cut and dry. Either Walton is his man or he is a “yes man.” There is no other 4D chess going on.

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August 26, 2021 7:56 pm
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Well, unless Fox inexplicably loves him and is making the call. In which case, Monte is still a yes man.

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August 26, 2021 8:06 pm
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because McNair was picking and choosing his gm jobs…

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August 26, 2021 9:11 pm
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Maybe but I think there’s another possibility. If McNair doesn’t agree and expresses that he’d be out of a job. That’s just as likely as the two you suggested.

In other words, I think he’s a yes man by force not by choice.

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August 27, 2021 11:26 am
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The decision wasn’t made in a vacuum either. I don’t think Vivek actually made the decision, but I saw the Stauskas war-room debacle. To me the question is more about why than who. If it was McNair, he made the right decision because he still has a job.

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August 26, 2021 5:39 pm
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Amd I feel like the Kings still have all the signs of a meddling owner and fucked KP organization. Vivek, it appears to me, hasn’t backed off. Or he hired a yes man.

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August 26, 2021 8:39 pm
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The reality is McNair couldn’t have done more than leak to Shams and Amick about ownership losing millions during Covid and wanting Luke back without directly putting himself in Vivek’s shitlist

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August 26, 2021 9:12 pm
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Agree

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August 27, 2021 11:28 am
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A “Yes-Man” with a pretty solid draft record.

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August 25, 2021 7:10 pm
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Extreme competency ? Solid, if still not proven would be more accurate ! Hope he does become the next Pat Riley but I need to see more wins !

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August 25, 2021 7:37 pm
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There was NO hope with a GM betting on the likes of Justin Jackson, George Hill, and Willie

Instead, I give you Hassan Whiteside, Tristan Thompson and Alex Len.

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August 25, 2021 8:32 pm
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Agree…but at least Whiteside, Thompson, and Len have at some point been legitimate NBA players.

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August 27, 2021 8:06 am

I think George Hill has been a better NBA player than any of the above. He just did not at all work out here for whatever reason.

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August 27, 2021 2:06 pm
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He has been a good one.

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August 26, 2021 9:58 am
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And signed Len to a 2 year $7.5M deal using part of the MLE, no less. Keep in mind, Len was signed to a one year vet’s minimum deal $2.2M last year in Toronto before being cut. He then signed another vet’s minimum deal for the remainder of the season in Washington.

So I have to ask, why didn’t McNair get him for the vet’s minimum?

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August 27, 2021 9:11 am
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So I have to ask, why didn’t McNair get him for the vet’s minimum?

Because unlike last offseason, there were more teams willing to spend?

I don’t see why you sign Len to more money than you have to. But getting the minimum in Toronto and DC last year isn’t much proof of anything as to why Len got the dollars he got in Sac.

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August 27, 2021 9:19 am
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I guess I just see it as an overpay for an already overcrowded frontcourt while also an unwise use of part of the MLE.

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August 25, 2021 8:29 pm
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So the rookie GM that the Kangz hired because there is no desire for real GM’s to work for them is brilliant now?

What has he done?

I think he might be ok? So far he has put essentially the same roster back on the floor.

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August 25, 2021 9:15 pm
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Do you get paid by the word by McGenius or are you just in love with your own voice?
I need Cliffsnotes.

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August 26, 2021 7:15 am
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Does get boring very quick as it seems personal agenda driven ! Oh well , some nuggets occasionally emerge !

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August 26, 2021 10:03 am
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If anything, McGenius should get an extension.

wut.

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August 25, 2021 9:04 pm

Jerry called Grant an old lady! Haha!

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August 26, 2021 8:41 am
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That was so awesome.

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August 26, 2021 8:19 pm
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Grantma’d.

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August 27, 2021 9:03 am

OT: There goes any thought/hope of getting Markkanen

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August 27, 2021 9:12 am
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Let Cleveland have him for that. Jeesh.

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August 27, 2021 9:17 am
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Yeah, that’s way too steep for Markkanen, especially since he’ll be sharing frontcourt minutes with Allen, Love and Mobley.

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August 27, 2021 9:18 am
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I don’t see anything the Kings missed out on. In any part of that deal.

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August 27, 2021 9:21 am
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I kind of hoped for a S&T of Bagley for Markkanen on a team friendly deal, but obviously the Cavs think he’s worth that much. I’m glad the Kings didn’t do that.

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August 27, 2021 12:08 pm

Love it for the Blazers and Bulls !

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