Welcome back to our second edition of Chainmail! Thank you to everyone for your insightful questions. Let's jump right in!
From outrider: Is there a way to be a patron by donating a lump sum vs. the monthly route? I'd like to drop my coin all at once, but didn't see that option. It's fine if that isn't possible or just won't be an option, but that'd be the way for me if I could.
Tim: First of all, thank you to everyone who has supported the site through our Patreon campaign thus far. Without any corporate backing, the bills come to us and we couldn't keep the site alive without all of you. Unfortunately, Patreon doesn't allow one-time donations, but we have a couple of workarounds. First, you can do a custom pledge on Patreon for whatever you would like, wait for the money to pull, and then cancel your monthly contribution. If that sounds too complex, we also have a PayPal account that you can use to support the site. The email address is [email protected] Just make sure you use a checking or savings account so that you don't get charged any fees.
From Kosta: Suggestion Box Comment: I feel a little strange about the Patreon shields that are affixed to member names when they comment. Anyone else feels this way?
Will: So this is going to be the exciting and sometimes frustrating part about being part of this journey down the independent media stream. We have the ability to do things that Vox would never let us do, never cared to think about doing for writers and commenters alike. Some of the spaghetti we throw at the wall is going to stick right away. Some is going to need to go into the pot for another couple minutes. Being an independent venture, started when our main source of discussion is comatose and in the middle of a world altering pandemic, we really want to find a way to publicly point out and thank those that are willing and able to help keep this site going until sports, advertising and everything else starts coming back to a semblance of normalcy. I can see things feeling weird regarding the shield. At Vox, they pushed sponsored posts and so many advertisements that it was had to read without an ad blocker. We've got fourteen writers and the community right now holding us up. Maybe the color coding based on payment was too much, maybe the shields needed to be resized so as to not slap you in the face with the moneybags some kind strangers possess, but I promise, this isn't to shame those who don't have the ability right now to give, only to thank those that have the means to help us out and allow us to continue to have a community like this to gather at everyday. Plus, things are going to get a lot weirder in here when Akis gives me the reigns and I start demanding everything be golden and shiny... So, prepare yourself.
Tim: Like Will said and I referenced in the comments from the original mailbag, our intention was always to recognize those who have been generous enough to support the site financially, not to shame anyone who wasn't able to do so at this time or has given a lower amount than others. At this time, we've changed all Patreon donor badges to white, regardless of donation amount, and have shrunk the size a bit (and we're still adjusting that). The other idea behind the badges is to be able to earn them for non-monetary things like number of comments, how long you've been a member, winning a contest, or whatever else we come up with over the next weeks, months, and years. This morning, we introduced the concept of "like" badges. 200 likes earns you a yellow badge, 500 earns you a blue badge. 1,000 earns you a red badge, and 3000 earns you a purple badge. We'll keep adding new ideas and features, some of which will work wonderfully and some of which will flop like a Vlade Divac draft pick. Please keep the feedback coming so we can know what works and what doesn't!
From Swish 41: After a couple of weeks running this thing, would you share your first impressions? The website seems to be running stable, most users made the switch from StR apparently. Are you happy with the traffic compared to the old page?
Will: These first couple of weeks have felt like a family reunion and the response to us opening has been a real boon to my spirits, personally. There have been some old StR commenters that have come out of the woodwork to say hello, we've had people from around the world create accounts that were only lurkers elsewhere before now. The traffic I'm not personally worried about right now. Like I said earlier, we're going through some extraordinary circumstances to start this site. There's too much stress and chaotic energy in our daily lives to accurately pinpoint what we should be drawing. The sport we love is on pause, the team we love wasn't even good before it went on hiatus. If you're here and reading everyday, you're a diehard in my mind and having seen the numbers, we have a lot of support. It's cliche to call you all a second family, but throughout this process, we've had people of all walks of life come out of the woodwork to try to help. To offer expertise advice, to offer monetary backing, to offering their businesses and services as a way of drawing readers back - that's family. It just is. Basketball will return, views will come and go, the community will grow and flourish and change. I have no doubt about any of that. For now, I'm glad that that you all are here and I hope it stays that way.
Tim: I'm thrilled and flabbergasted at the level of support The Kings Herald has garnered from the community. The first few days were full of signups, comments, and social media buzz, but there's always a fear that the excitement will fade. Thankfully, it hasn't thus far. Folks have continued to visit the site, comment on articles, engage with us on social media, and donate to our Patreon campaign. Things will obviously get much easier when basketball returns, but every single member of the TKH crew has been amazed at how supportive everyone has been through this transition.
From Eric Stoneburner: What big move do you see the front office making in the offseason. Also, do you think the Kings will ever bring up Kyle Guy from Stockton and actually play him?
Will: With league revenue dropping and the salary cap expected to shrink for the next few seasons, if the Kings are going to do anything I think it will be cost cutting moves, though with many teams feeling the sting, I am not quite sure who they're going to find as trade partners. COVID-19 might force to do what they should have done all along and build a younger, cheaper team that better fits around De'Aaron Fox and Marvin Bagley. I'm near obsessed with the idea of swapping Buddy and pieces for Horford and Thybulle if the Sixers would do it; Horford being my pick in this scenario over Tobias Harris because of the former's descending contract compared to the latter's massive raise each year. Trimming down to fit the cap of the new NBA landscape might also mean biting the bullet and looking for someone willing to take on Harrison Barnes, though this would be a bit more difficult to get something of equal value in return. The contracts of the Kings core youngins are sliding by and with each passing day of the work stoppage, Sacramento has less time to build and evaluate that talent before they start looking for significant pay raises.
As for Kyle Guy, I'd say give him another season in the G-League full time and the Kings will bring him up as a third string PG on the cheap. He's already proven he can shoot at an NBA level but from what we've seen from his rookie season, he's beginning to put it together as a passer as well. Guy was averaging 21.5 points, 4.8 assists and 3.8 threes made per game on 40% from deep when the league was shut down. It's just a matter of time before the Kings give him a shot on the main roster.
Tim: There's a large part of me that foresees the Kings mostly staying put this offseason and not doing much more than adding their lottery selection, signing a couple of role players, and sticking with their core. The front office may very well look at the last 20 games of the season and convince themselves that they don't need to do anything more than add some supporting pieces. All of that being said, if a big move is made, I think it'll be a Buddy Hield trade, and it may not even be the Kings decision. Hield has already expressed displeasure with his role and the coaching, has hinted at a trade demand in the past, and if the team re-signs Bogdan Bogdanovic, he may request to switch teams. If that does occur, look for a team like Philadelphia, Orlando, or Atlanta to jump into the fray and upgrade their shooting.
I'm not a believer in Kyle Guy's long-term prospects as a rotational NBA player. He's more of a shooting guard in a point guard's body, and those types of players rarely last in the league, especially when they don't have a defensive bone in their body. He'll start the second half of his two-year two-way contract next season, and I'm happy to let him grow in Stockton to see if anything develops, but count me less than hopeful.
From BestHyperboleEver: If the Kings were to trade Bagley, what do you think they could get for him in terms of straight up value?
Will: I'm trying to think of a team that needs a rebounder that can't space the floor that also seems to have an injury bug that he can't kick without breaking something else. I could see Washington giving up Davis Bertans and a protected pick to pair Bagley with Rui Hachimura. The Bulls and Kings might convince each other to swap their bigs with baggage and circle a deal on Lauri Markkanen. Right now he hasn't been able to stay healthy and has more questions than answers about his fit in the NBA.
Tim: Woof. Marvin Bagley might end up being a pretty good player in the league, but his trade value is nearly zero at this point. He's an unproven player, has played in fewer than half of his career games, doesn't play a particularly valued position, doesn't make his teammates better, and he's owed $19 million over the next couple of seasons. If the roles were reversed, most folks in the Kings fan base wouldn't want to touch that type of risk with a ten foot pole. The only way I can really see Bagley showing value in a transaction is to pair him with other assets to help another team along with their rebuild. For example, pairing Bagley, a pick, and Buddy Hield might be a pretty good package if the Kings want to find a major upgrade in the trade market. Dealing Bagley on his own would offer such little value that it would be essentially giving up on the former second overall pick, something no one should be doing at this point in his career.
From Kosta: What sports are possible to play during a pandemic?
Will: I thought about this for a good while and I think the best solution is human foosball. Tape everyone the appropriate distance apart, throw out a slightly larger than usual ball and get to dislocating those elbows and shoulder blades!
Tim: Fold up half of your ping pong table and you can play against yourself all day long!
From Adamsite: Knowing what we know with COVID-19 and impending free agency decisions, what do you see happening on draft night? Do the Kings keep their first round draft pick and their three second rounders? If you were betting on it, how many drafted rookies will be in camp?
Will: I 100% believe that the Kings are keeping their first rounder and at least two second rounders. While there might be a small move in the second round, either combining two to move up or trading out to a draft down the road, I think the Kings are really trying to bolster their G League roster and the more shots at second round hits, the better. My bet would be three rookies start camp, the two second rounders end up in the G-League with the best of those two taking up a two-way contract.
As for where the Kings go on draft night, barring some adjusted odds based on the league's current predicament, I think the Kings end up falling to the very back of the lottery. Without a sure fire need, I think they swing for a forward like Saddiq Bey or Aleksej Pokusevski.
Tim: With the cap almost certainly dropping and the unknowns surrounding the luxury tax, cheap talent is going to become extremely valuable over the next couple of seasons, and there isn't any cheaper talent out there than recent draft picks. Outside of a crazy deal that lands an All-Star caliber player, I firmly believe that the Kings will keep their first round pick. He'll make around $3.5 million next year, and if Vlade Divac can find a competent role player with that pick, the team will be in great shape cap-wise. Devin Vassell, Saddiq Bey, Aaron Nesmith, and Tyrese Maxey could all be targets in that range.
The second round will probably tell a similar story. Assuming that the standings remain the same, Sacramento will pick 35th, 43rd, and 53rd in the draft. That's three more opportunities to find rotational players who won't cost much. Similar to Will, I can see the Kings pairing a couple of those to move up and snag a player they're excited about, but I don't expect Vlade Divac to fully abandon the second round.
So should ElRon have a special badge to himself since he’s been a member of Earth since the beginning of time? 😛
We were thinking of giving you a special “Nostradumbass of the Year” badge as our Prediction Contest Winner. Fun stuff like that can be earned for multiple reasons.
In all seriousness, I think the idea of earning badges for non-monetary reasons is awesome!
OK, someone post the Christy Fox picture. Chumming for like. 🙂
Consider putting the badge on the user’s profile page instead of in the forum, and also create a sticky article that lists everyone who has donated, the same vibe as standing in front of a wall of personalized donor bricks.
We do have all of the patrons listed on our support/donate page.
One tip I’ve learned to quickly clear the cache for this website (this works only in Google Chrome on desktop, I haven’t tried on Mobile or other browsers) rather than resetting your entire browser cache which is a pain.
1. On the site, right click and click inspect.
2. Right click the refresh page button and click Empty Cache and Hard Reload
hope that helps some of you.
That is way faster! thanks.
Hopefully as time goes on and we don’t have to make as many backend updates this will need to happen less and less frequently. I’m starting to get PTSD every time Blake tells me to “wipe my cache”
There is probably a joke in there.. not going .. you baited. I’m sorry comments like I’m thinking could go South.
No one wants to Butt in?
Well, at least the toilet paper shortage has gotten better.
There is a behavior that’s really annoying when using the ‘K’ key to advance through comments. If you reply to a comment like I just did the ‘K’ key cycles back to the top of the comments when it hits my comment and it keeps doing that and won’t advance past my comment (I’m using Chrome FYI).
Yeah this isn’t ideal, we’re still trying to figure out what works best. Thanks for your patience.
First off, you guys are doing great work and I appreciate all the effort that’s going on the implement the site.
That said, I struggle a bit about reporting weird things that I see because it’s probably something you’re aware of already and I don’t want to seem impatient or ungrateful.
There are plenty of things that we’ve identified through the comments that we didn’t realize until they were mentioned, so please don’t feel weird or like you’ll come off as ungrateful or unhappy. Also, if you feel awkward mentioning things in a public forum like the comment section, you can always email [email protected] or DM one of us on Twitter and we’ll take a look at any issues/suggestions.
Empty Cache and Hard Reload is great, but it’s only available if you’ve enabled Developer Tools (from the More Tools menu).
Oh, ‘Inspect’ enables it. too. Like you said. Nevermind. I’ll go back in my hole now.
There’s nobody over at Sactown Royalty. We might be able to sneak in, steal their comment section code, and sneak out without being seen. Who’s with me.
But seriously, I know this site is in its infancy and it’s going to be a process to fine-tune things (and the community and writers make it well worth watching that process) but it’s also making me realize how nice their commenting system was. I particularly miss:
1. Seeing how many new comments have been made.
2. Z-ing through new comments.
3. Collapsing threads.
Caveat: It’s possible I can do all those things here and it’s more of a user limitation (read: I’m a dolt).
You might get caught by the guy who comments “First!”
Yeah the commenting functionality was top-notch over there. The good news is we are working towards providing step 1 and 2 for sure. We’ve already added yellow highlights to new comments which helps, and tapping the “k” key lets you cycle through comments as well.
Step 3 should already be possible although not completely. On the bottom right of the thread you should see an up arrow next to the time the comment was posted. Clicking that will hide all replies to that comment which at least collapses a long thread but not the original comment.
I can code this relatively easily but we’re going to have to refactor the code for the K/L keys to keep them from cycling through collapsed comments
4. Being able to see if someone has replied to one of my comments without having to navigate through an article’s comments looking for my comments in order to see if someone’s replied. As it is, I have to go through every article that I’ve commented in searching to see if someone’s replied to me.
5. In order to see a list of my previous comments I have to click on an article, then click on ‘Account’, then click on ‘Edit Profile’, then click on the comments icon. You can’t get to the by clicking on the ‘Account’ button outside of an article. That’s a lot of clicking.
I retract my point 5. I just retried this and I can get to my list of comments from the Account button on the home page now so it looks like that plumbing has now been laid. Woohoo!
Just want to chime in and say you guys are doing an excellent job on the site. Can’t wait until we have much more to talk about…
Oooh.. There is a most voted sort .. Yeah!
I for one wouldn’t mind seeing a Buddy/Bagley package in a swing for the fences move. If Vlade could swallow his pride and make an offer to a team like the Wiz for Beal or to Philly for a Horford/Thybulle/pick blockbuster, I could get behind it.
I just don’t get the Horford love. He’s old, on the decline, and expensive. He certainly doesn’t fit the team’s timeline towards relevancy.
He’s still a good player. Still provides skills the Kings badly need. And being overpaid is what allows you to get additional assets.
Also, I don’t really believe in timelines.
It’s more about his declining salary and ability to still play at good level. If that trade happened today, he might very well be the second best player on the team behind Fox. He’d also be a nice pairing with Holmes in the frontcourt. And like what BHE said, his salary and age are what get the Kings additional assets. If you could get Thybulle and future pick, I’d call it a win. All that being said, I don’t think Philly says yes.
100% agree. That Horford deal is going to be dead money long before his deal is done. And while he was still “good” this season relative to the Kings, he was much worse than he had been historically.
But what if he came packaged with Thybulle and a 1st rounder?
So, something between $55 million and $82 million in dead salary for a specialist and a late first? Eh…I would probably say no. Buddy does have some value. That being said, I don’t have an alternative deal, and I get that Thybulle overachieved, but I’d want a young player with a little more of a track record and a higher ceiling. If we were talking about Harrison Barnes for those two, I would be a LOT more inclined to make that deal.
I don’t see any real reason to think Horford’s money will be “dead money.” He was forced into a bad role this season as a stretch 4 next to Embiid, which clearly isn’t the way to optimize him. Other then his efficiency suffering partially from decreased percentages, but mostly from taking basically 20% of his shots at the rim and moving them out to 3pt range. Last season in Boston, 33% of Horford’s shots were from 0-3 ft while 21% were from 3pt range. This season, primarily because Embiid dominates the paint, only 14% of Horford’s shots were from 0-3 ft, while 40% were from 3. Aside from that his numbers were stable. He still plays good defense both individually and in the team concept. Surprisingly, even with Embiid, his rebounding numbers were basically stable. He still passes well. He still takes care of the ball. Obviously, he’s aging so there’s decline to expect and he’s clearly overpaid. But right now, he’s still as good as anybody on the Kings roster and provides skills the team badly needs.
I’m someone that thinks that while Bagley’s current trade value is pretty low, it’s only going to get lower as time goes by. How much value does a brittle PF with an archaic playstyle have in today’s NBA? Realistically I have hard time seeing Bagley as a starting PF on a playoff team.
I would prefer the team try and package Bagley with Buddy to land another impact player to go along with Fox. I don’t see this current iteration of the team being anything more than mediocre.
I think Bagley could be a fine player if partnered with a dynamic floor stretching and passing big that would take the defense’s attention off Bagley. He also needs a strong PG to control the offense and get him the ball in the post. Think of how Amare Stoudemire had Nash and Marion the around him.
A team like Philly with Embiid and Simmons could be a good paring for him and dare I say Dallas. Luka would get the ball to Bagley in all the right spots and Zinger would stretch the floor for him to play in the paint. He’d also be good in Denver should the Nuggets move on from Millsap.
If the Kings intend to pair Bagley with Holmes, they are destined for failure.
I think one of the challenges is who the team is that would look for a package including Buddy (win-now) and Bagley (developmental).
That said, I think the challenge in Philly is that if you’re building around Simmons and Embiid, everybody else has to be a floor stretcher. Which Bagley clearly isn’t.
Dallas makes sense to me, overall for both guys, though I’m not sure what they have to offer.
I don’t see Denver being interested with Porter in the fold. I mean, they have a lot of roster to fill for next year, but they’re in a championship window, I have a hard time seeing them go after a relatively expensive development project. I actually think it will be really interesting to see what the Nuggets do this off-season. They’re so good and their best players are so young that they have a ton of options.
A dynamic floor stretching big who can pass and defend sounds like the type of unicorn the Kings would have no chance in getting in free agency and they sure as hell wouldn’t be able to identify that type of talent in the draft.
There’s just too much that situationally has to go right for Bagley to succeed. He’s not that good of a player where you should do whatever it takes to build around him in my opinion.
As stressful as it is for the crew, I’m loving that functionality and features of the site are evolving in real time to match the character of the community in a way that couldn’t happen at the old site, and the caliber of the writing continues to be top-notch in the meantime, all with zero basketball actually happening.
This is pretty great.
I have to say, the level of writing and the creativity shown while there is no basketball being played is absolutely remarkable. And the threads never disappoint. Thanks to all of you for providing me with a portal through which I can at least temporarily escape these crazy-arse times.
Comments with 5 or more recs should also be shaded purple now!
Hold on, I need to wipe my cache.
Those backend updates need to be wiped well.
On a Windows pc you should be able to do a CTRL-Click on your brower’s refresh button and your cache should clear.
That should be the chainmail picture everytime. I couldn’t stop laughing for like five minutes.
I wouldn’t trade Buddy for any of the packages being discussed. His shooting is too valuable and he is right in the middle of his prime years. Outside of Fox he was as responsible as anyone for that 13-7 record. He won a couple of those games all himself.
Sounds good. Keep Buddy.
So how do you propose improving the team from a the fringe 8th seed contender they are now to the next level (ie. solid playoff team)?
Completely agree with Krish. I think we often take Buddy’s unparalleled shooting skill for granted.
As for how we would improve…rather than making a major move this summer, I would hope our young guys continue to develop (Fox) and get healthy (Bagley) a healthy All-Star level Fox should bump us up at least a few wins. And despite their age, Bogi and Buddy have few enough years of experience in the league that I think we could still expect some improvement from them as well.
After a full year with this nucleus, if things are not on the upward trajectory, then it may be time to re-evaluate and make a bigger move, either by trading a player or getting a new FO (wishful thinking of course).
Now that we can get colored shields as prizes; Can we still redeem our Ziller Bucks, or is it now like confederate money? What is the new site currency? Aykis Bucks needs to catch on.. I’m probably missing something here?
Umm .. I forgot, asking for a friend.
I believe they are “Aykis Drachmas”.
How about Giraffe giblets?
Gotta say, there is no way the Sixers will put in Thybulle with Horford for Hield I’d rather go Horford and 1st round pick.
Their fans absolutely wouldn’t. They also wouldn’t include Milton in any deals as far as I can see. That said, fans and FOs aren’t always on the same page and an elite shooter like Hield would do more for that team as currently constructed than an elite wing defender like Thybulle.
All that said, they could probably get that a bit cheaper.
I get so invested in the team, that I can’t see why you would want to get rid of Hield. I know .. trying to get a better resulting team. I wouldn’t have gotten rid of Jon Barry, too. Ever. I’m glad I’m not a GM. I view it as family. Not a business, as the GM would require. Perhaps that is Vlade’s fault too? IDK.
I get that. I’m just a cold, unfeeling monster. I want my team to win. I’d prefer the players they win with are at least somewhat likable and admirable, but I find the vast majority of players likable and admirable, so that’s pretty easy.