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Welcome back to Chainmail! This week, we're welcoming Brenden Nunes to the Roundtable (no, we don't have a pizza sponsor) to field some draft and trade questions. Let's dive right in!

From Rob Hessing:

Rank your top six draft prospects, and then rank what you perceive as the organization's top six draft picks:

Tim: Me: Holmgren, Smith Jr., Banchero, Sharpe, Ivey, Murray

Kings: Smith Jr., Banchero, Holmgren, Murray, Ivey, Sharpe

Will: I flip flop on Smith Jr. and Holmgren everyday. Today? I’ll sayin Jabari, Chet, Paolo, Ivey, Murray, Sharpe… I think the Kings probably swap Murray and Sharpe there at the end.

Brenden: Me: Holmgren, Smith Jr, Banchero, Ivey, Murray, Griffin

Kings: Smith Jr, Holmgren, Banchero, Murray, Ivey, Griffin,

From SlamsonsRollerskates:

It seems most people think we will take a player at 4 or trade down for a pick and a veteran. I feel like I'm in the minority of thinking we will trade up. If we traded up from #4, what's a realistic trade for the #1 pick?

Tim: It would cost a ton and then some. My guess is a lightly to unprotected 2023 first round pick (the deal would have to be officially completed after Sacramento made their selection to avoid Stepien rules) and maybe an additional asset. And for what it's worth, I don't think any team in the top-3 is going to consider trading back.

Will: I really don’t see a deal to be made with Orlando. Tossing in Davion Mitchell doesn’t do much because they’re stacked with young point guards, tossing in a vet is meaningless to their rebuilding efforts and the picks Sacramento is sending them are immediately devalued by the first overall pick jumping onto their roster.
Any thin margins for a trade up is probably gotta lie with OKC or Houston. Sam Presti has his eyes set on a star and if he feels like that particular player isn’t available… maybe he takes #4 and next year’s first and a pick swap. He’s already stated that they’ve got another season ahead of talent acquisition and whose to say what he does if his favorite guy is gone.

Brenden: I am all for trading up if it's reasonable, but that would really require one of the other teams in the top-three being high on one or more of Jaden Ivey, Shaedon Sharpe and/or Keegan Murray. My guess on a trade would be pretty much what Tim laid out with the 4th pick in this draft for example being swapped with OKC at 2 for Sacramento's 2023 top-4 or unprotected first. Also, can't help but wonder what sort of value Davion Mitchell holds in this conversation...

From TheGrantNapear:

Give us your best realistic trade(s) involving the pick.

Tim: If the Pistons really want to move up to snag their guy at four, a Jerami Grant + #5 for #4 trade feels semi-realistic. Grant is on an expiring deal and everyone knows that the Pistons aren't going to re-sign or extend him. A player in that situation would probably net Detroit a mid-20s pick (similar to Harrison Barnes' value) which feels about right for the opportunity to move up one spot in the early lottery. I haven't always been the biggest Grant fan, but adding him for little cost and getting to run him for a year before having to commit big money could be great for Sacramento. He's also the sort of versatile defender who would pair well with Domantas Sabonis.

If the Kings are looking to deal the pick straight up, they must be getting an All-Star in return.

Will: I hate it, but honestly, Tim’s deal is as realistic as they come in this case. It’s expensive and mostly a lateral move but it’s got the stench of Kangz on it.

Brenden: Tim's Jerami Grant move is the most obvious to me, and it's I personally would be happy with if Grant's extension is closer to the 4yrs/$90-million that Mikal Bridges just got rather than the crazy 4yrs/$117-million max he could receive.

To throw another one out there, John Collins has been another popular name and Kevin Huerter has been floated out there as potentially available as well. I wonder if there's a deal that Sacramento could find there with something like Harrison Barnes, Justin Holiday and the fourth overall pick for John Collins, Kevin Huerter and the sixteenth.

From andy_sims:

If the Kings can't get reasonable return from Detroit or Indiana for swapping down to five or six, who do you like at four, assuming that the top three goes as expected?

Tim: Shaedon Sharpe is who I'm currently falling in love with, even though I had him behind both Jaden Ivey and Keegan Murray not long ago. Beyond anything, the Kings need superstar talent. Fox isn't a superstar. Sabonis isn't a superstar. Shaedon Sharpe is their best hope at snagging that player in a slightly unexpected place. Yes, there is huge risk with such a pick, but the Kings have been playing with fire and a shortened timeline since the Haliburton trade, so they may as well go all-in at this point. If Sharpe is the star we're hoping for, the Kings dodged a bullet. If he's solid but unspectacular, the risk was understandable. If he busts, that probably spells the end of the Monte-Fox-Sabonis crew, which probably isn't the worst long-term result for this organization.

Will: Assuming the Big Three stay where they’re supposed to go in the draft, I can’t help but think Keegan Murray is the guy for Sacramento. Sure, sure we’ve already heard from James Ham that the Sacramento Kings aren’t really looking at him for that slot so take all this with a lump of salt. Murray is a guy who doesn’t need the ball in his hands to be effective, is a growing talent on the offensive end and plays damn good defense… sure, he fits a need (gasp, FIT!) as well, but if Monte’s eyes continue to be on smart players that can make an impact on both sides of the ball… Murray should absolutely be the selection.

Brenden: I think I'm going to be a Jaden Ivey guy assuming that Jabari Smith Jr, Chet Holmgren, and Paolo Banchero are the top three. Ivey's athleticism is simply too intriguing to pass up on to me, and Sharpe is too much of a wild card with him not having been in an authentic competitive setting for the last year. Ivey's shooting needs some work, but it still went down at an alright rate in his sophomore season at Purdue. He's talked about as being very coachable due to his mother being Notre Dame's head coach and her previously working with the Memphis Grizzlies led to Ivey being around that team often -- it's hard to not see a little Ja Morant in his game at times, but they are not the same player.

From sonny:

I personally think that Keegan Murray, if he doesn't move up, is the best and safest pick at #4. Do you agree?

Tim: Keegan Murray is going to be a very, very good NBA player, and he's probably a little underrated at this point, which is an odd thing to say when he's expected to go in the top six or seven picks. Murray is solid to very good at almost every aspect of basketball and he just put up 23.5 points and 8.7 boards on 55/40/75 shooting splits while playing good defense. The primary knock on Keegan is his limited ceiling and age (he'll be 22 at the start of next season), but I just don't see his limitations as much as others. Very few players dominated on a nightly basis like Murray did, and unlike many highly-touted draft prospects, he rarely struggled against bigger, more talented teams. If the Kings walk away with Keegan Murray on draft night, they'll have made a smart, if safe choice.

Will: I agree.

Brenden: Yeahhhhh, averaging 23.5 points on 55.4/39.8/74.7 shooting splits led to Keegan Murray deservedly being debated as the best player in college basketball all of last season. And 55.4 percent from the field while attempting nearly five three-pointers per game is beyond impressive. He's got promising defensive ability both on the perimeter and at the rim, but wasn't exactly a standout in either aspect to me. I think it won't take long for Keegan Murray to have a Jerami Grant level of impact in the NBA, which is something that the Kings desperately need, it's just hard to not take a higher ceiling option at the fourth pick in the draft.

I'd talk myself into Keegan Murray if he that was the front office's decision, but I would be very concerned about the future regret that could surround Jaden Ivey's career from Sacramento's perspective. There are only so many times that an organization like the Kings has an opportunity to acquire players who have All-Star potential and this is one of them.

From GregoryI:

Seems like a big weight has been taken off of Richaun's shoulders this summer. Is he worth keeping to see about his fit as a backup and/or increase trade value, or should they look to move him this summer?

Tim: I would like to find Richaun Holmes a new home, preferably on draft night so the Kings aren't competing with free agency. He's not going to want to play a backup, 15-minute per game role in Sacramento when he could be starting for at least a half-dozen teams, assuming he can also return to pre-injury form. I would not be shocked (and this is 100% assumption on my part) if a trade request has already been made.

Will: It wouldn’t surprise me at all to see Holmes back in a Kings uniform to at least start next season as their 7th man. All of his on and off the court drama aside, he’s got a new coach, a new system and the same GM who signed him to the largest deal of his life… who knows what that combo comes up with to fit Holmes into the squad this upcoming season. If for no other reason that just to see if his un-Holmes like play was a product of Kangzian existential angst and recoup some value before sending him away at the trade deadline, Holmes should stick around for a bit.

Brenden: I'd be absolutely shocked if the Richaun Holmes plays for the Kings next season. Unless the idea is to see more of him alongside Domantas Sabonis (please, no) then there just simply isn't enough playing time for him on this roster and he should have decent value on the open market where Sacramento can help add wings.

Could the Charlotte Hornets consider moving either of pick 13 or 15 in this draft for Holmes now that Montrezl Harrell's deal has expired. Harrell is just a better Holmes, in my mind.

From jwalker1395:

Who of the top 3 is most likely to slip?

Tim: Chet Holmgren. He's a gawky unicorn who needs at least a year or two to put on weight and adjust to NBA levels of speed and strength. I think the top-3 will stick as it's projected to go, but if someone's going to slide, it'll be Chet.

Will: Definitely think it’s going to be Banchero who drops and all it’s going to take is Houston falling in love with Ivey or Sharpe as the backcourt-partner-of-the-future with Jalen Green. Smith Jr. is too safe a prospect to fall and Holmgren is too much of a unicorn to pass by… Banchero is a great young player with a mold that GM’s have seen before.

Brenden: Oof. I think Paolo Banchero? Really expecting that the top-three does go as expected... but, what do I know? If I have to guess one I'd go with Banchero though, probably because I think that Chat Holmgren and Jabari Smith Jr are too phenomenal to second guess.

From RAP87:

Do you think Monte gets an extension before the season starts? Or is he going into his final season with the Kings?

Tim: No, he won't get an extension, nor should he receive one. In the two years that Monte has been in charge, the Kings have posted a record of 61-93, or an average of 32 wins per season. At some point, results have to matter, and Monte has shown no results in two years at the helm. If he misses the playoffs this next season, he's gotta go.

There's also the factor to consider that managerial contracts in the NBA have no limitations for in-season adjustments. The Kings can choose to offer Monte McNair a new contract at any point next season. At the All-Star break, if the Kings look great, Vivek can throw him a three year extension. If Sacramento looks terrible 30 games in, Monte can be dismissed and the Kings aren't out a decent chunk of money. As weird as it feels, I'm with Vivek on this one.

Will: Let’s put it this way: Monte isn’t getting an extension at the start of this season. If the Kings are rocking and rolling near the trade deadline, I can see Monte saying “hey, are you really still letting me make these decisions without giving me extra years on my contract?” and Vivek handing out a two year extension prior or just after the All-Star Break. It also wouldn’t surprise me at all if there is a hard-line playoff mandate: get me a four game series in the playoffs and you get your money… to which we’re probably saying bon voyage, mon Monte.

Brenden: I'm for Monte McNair getting an extension, but I understand why it's an unpopular decision. My thought is that he just traded away Tyrese Haliburton to acquire Domantas Sabonis, who has a very specific timeline to himself but needs an improved surrounding roster (which he could have improved by now).

A front office member feeling unable to take the "right" move because it's lack of immediate payoff and their own future riding on immediate production concerns me. I don't think Monte McNair and Wes Wilcox have done anything to prove they are clearly good General Managers, but they also haven't proven to be bad either. Just allow them to line up with the player that they invested in and new head coach Mike Brown to try and have everyone on the same page for once.

From Dub_TC:

What's the lowest level of player you would accept for the 4th pick? I think Beal is a pipe dream, but what about Siakam or Grant?

Tim: Tyrese Haliburton

Will: I’m actually of the opinion that Beal is more gettable at this point than Siakam. Wizards are stuck at the cross roads without any help in sight, Beal is getting older every season and the Wiz already have youth to jumpstart any rebuild they want to do. Meanwhile its the Raptors that surprised everyone by not being terrible and growing into a really nice amalgam of youth and experience. The Raptors could easily run this back and be okay… the Wizards, not so much.

I’d definitely place my line for the fourth pick right around that kind of player… or maybe like an OG Anunoby and a future pick mixed in.

Brenden: Damnit, Tim. Maybe Jaren Jackson Jr, Mikal Bridges or Shai Gilgeous-Alexander?

Jerami Grant for the fourth pick straight up would be bad to me. Just take Keegan Murray at that point and his added years of team control. I'll go with John Collins, and even that trade would be questionable to me.

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SexyNapear
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May 25, 2022 9:41 am

Ivey has Westbrook written all over him. His fit would be precarious as best with Fox, who loves the ball in his hands, but I’m not sure you can pass on him.

Sharpe is scary as hell. His circumstances at Kentucky are too murky. He’s a lottery ticket as a lottery pick and most lottery tickets end up in trash. You are basically drafting a high school dude – and very few of them have worked out.

Keegan is gonna be a nice player, but is nice good enough?

Bottom Line: Kings, as usual, are in a very tricky spot.

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May 25, 2022 9:53 am
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What a fascinating take, to insult a potential draftee by comparing him to a first-ballot lock Hall of Famer.

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May 25, 2022 9:57 am
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Re-read: I don’t think that there is an insult there. I think that there is a viable concern regarding his fit with Fox, but the comment also notes that you probably can’t pass on him.

SexyNapear
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May 25, 2022 10:57 am
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I’m shocked, shocked I tell you that you have horrible reading comprehension.
Westbrook was an NBA stud. I’d love that comparison if I was a player.

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Kingsguru21
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May 25, 2022 8:17 pm
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I’m shocked, shocked I tell you that you have horrible reading comprehension.

I’m shocked you felt comfortable making this statement period.

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May 25, 2022 10:15 am
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“Very few worked out” is not a true statement.

https://pudding.cool/2019/03/hype/Of the other 34 players drafted straight out of high school, 94% made it past their rookie contract, with 55% eventually becoming mediocre or better NBA players.”

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May 25, 2022 10:25 am
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Good info! Would you happen to know how those numbers compare to players drafted after at least one year of college/D-League/overseas play? My assumption is that the numbers would be lower, mainly based on things invariably averaging out to include so many players who don’t succeed, but among the other things I am not, is a statistician.

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May 25, 2022 10:36 am
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Yeah I’d guess the numbers lower, I think they are earlier in the article. W/out knowing for sure I’d guess they lower because of what you mentioned, so many more players and the fact that an NBA team is willing to draft a HS player means they are really really really good to begin with. Sharpe is likely to be at minimum a solid NBA player, superstar potential, could do much worse at the #4 pick.

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May 25, 2022 10:47 am
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That’s where I’m at, although Ivey could be that guy, too. The opportunity will be there to add a real asset, which is all you can ask.

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May 25, 2022 8:21 pm
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The opportunity will be there to add a real asset, which is all you can ask.

Sims, you’re a dumbass. You can ask far more than this.

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May 25, 2022 11:03 am
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You don’t want someone to become mediocre or better with the 4th pick. You want a real difference maker.

And this kid only played 12 games his last year in high school.

I’d love to dream he’s gonna be a superstar, but jamming the ball against nobody in an empty gym gives me zero info. I take Ivey over him just for Jaden’s motor and body of work.

But if I’m forced to decide right now and the Kings have to make the pick and can’t trade it?

It’s Keegan.

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May 25, 2022 1:47 pm
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Ivey > Sharpe
As you said, Sharpe is too much of an unknown, would be a big risk for a franchise that can’t afford another lottery bust.

SlamsonsRollerskates
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May 25, 2022 10:26 am

I know it isn’t likely, but a fan can dream…Trade up Monte! Presti loves picks…

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May 25, 2022 10:52 am

When you look at past draft day deals (Dal trading the #5 and their following year, lightly protected pick for the #3, for example), the Kings #4 and their ’23 pick with top 4 protections could get you to #2. OKC could spend another year in tank land as it expires the contract of Kemba Walker ($27.4m). They still would pick at 4, 12, 30 & 34 this year, would have their own great pick for next year, the Kings pick, and I believe picks from the Heat and Nuggets. They would also have something like $70m in cap space.

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May 25, 2022 12:01 pm
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The past draft day deals are definitely encouraging if we are to move up, especially since we jumped up to 4. More than doable. And I think (opinion) Monte is willing to part with a future pick(s) to acquire a top 2 player if they can help us win next year. Plus, Mike Brown has been involved in developing top picks the last couple years while, at least this year, being a playoff team.

I just have no idea what OKC is thinking. If they’re committed to Poku, why go with Chet when Pablo makes more sense? Or, are they all in on the Wembanyama sweepstakes next year? I know most people are saying the draft really starts at 4 with the Kings, but I think it starts at 2 with OKC. Right now, the only safe money seems to be Jabari going #1.

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May 25, 2022 12:08 pm

If (for example), Presti sees Sharpe as being the guy to with for the longer timeline that he is playing, and he can pick up an extra 1st round pick at no extra charge while keeping the tank fully on track, it makes sense. I guess it all comes down to how enamored he becomes with the players that he projects to be gone at 4.

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May 25, 2022 12:24 pm
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Fair example. Shai, Sharpe, and Giddey would be a very talented perimeter trio. Executing the trade back to get Sharpe while picking up a highly valued first next year would be a great move on his part. In that case, if they are targeting Sharpe, do you think Richaun Holmes has enough value to be included in a trade up because they need a 5? They have the cap space and could use a player like him, in my opinion. We get #2, they get #4, Holmes, 2023 1st round pick with whatever protections are agreed upon.

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May 25, 2022 12:41 pm

Not sure that they would want the contract. I could also see Presti pulling off a deal like this, and then turning around and dealing Shai to NY for the 11, a future Knicks pick, and perhaps something along the lines of RJ Barrett.

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May 25, 2022 1:01 pm
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After checking out their salaries for next year, I think it’s less about them wanting him and more about even being able to. They are basically at the roster limit before the draft with 14 players (Kyle Singler is on the books but I’m not counting him), two team options and a qualifying offer. With all their picks, Presti might have to trade some folks.

Trading Richaun elsewhere and absorbing Derrick Favors expiring might do it.

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May 25, 2022 2:39 pm

I think Presti is more likely to trade 2 for 4 and a future protected first . Then draft Murray .

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May 25, 2022 7:30 pm
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I can see Presti trading #2 for #4 & a protected future 1st rounder. I can’t see him drafting Murray. Murray doesn’t seem like the type of player he likes to draft.

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May 25, 2022 11:12 am

Sharpe’s agent isn’t gonna let his kid do anything to prove himself. Wouldn’t even let him do drills at combine. If the kid had any guts, he’d compete in some 5-on-5 scrimmages. Hell, they are all insured for injury. Then maybe he’d be the No. 1 pick. But the rap on him is his desire and motor.

That’s why I’m kinda out on him. Damn sure Kobe wouldn’t be shooting against nobody in an empty gym and saying draft me if nobody has seen him play at any level for more than a year.

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May 25, 2022 11:31 am
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I’m also damned sure that Kobe won’t be saying anything like that.

SexyNapear
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May 25, 2022 12:37 pm
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Andy with the incredibly witty comment. Who writes your stuff? Carrot Top?

andy_sims
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May 25, 2022 1:10 pm
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Really, Peaches? You have a problem with redheads, now?

You don’t need to be a psychologist to understand how that happened.

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May 25, 2022 1:50 pm
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Peaches unite!

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May 25, 2022 1:58 pm
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May 25, 2022 3:17 pm
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Ohhhhhh boyyyyyy!

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May 25, 2022 11:49 am

Tim’s not going to know what to do with himself when/if the Kings start winning.

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May 25, 2022 12:40 pm
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So there’s yet another reason to hope the Kings start winning!

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May 25, 2022 12:26 pm

God damnit!! These arguments to select Sharpe at 4 are too good. God damnit!!! Can’t I just be happy with Keegan Murray at 4 and not question the possibility of yet another missed opportunity?!?!?! God damnit!!

I need a beer.

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May 25, 2022 12:48 pm
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which beer, though?

Tough decisions!

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May 25, 2022 1:56 pm
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and how many?

ArcoThunder
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May 26, 2022 5:53 am

4

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May 26, 2022 7:17 am
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You’ve got a….DRAFT ahead of you!

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May 26, 2022 8:52 am
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Douse a playoff drought with draughts?

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May 26, 2022 5:53 am
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Modelo Negra

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May 25, 2022 1:51 pm
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Have to swing for a potential superstar and Keegan isn’t it.

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May 26, 2022 5:54 am
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Yeah, that’s what I keep hearing but I’m not sure I believe it.

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May 25, 2022 2:44 pm
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Murray makes too much sense and must over think it. The less info on Sharpe the more value he seems to have .

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May 26, 2022 5:57 am
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It’s killing me! I wish sharpe would have stayed in Kentucky for another year.

UNLESSSSS… this is the golden opportunity for the Kings to get a super star without moving up or down in the draft. Maybe the planets have aligned and this is the moment we have all been waiting for? If that’s the case then thank you Sharpe for coming out early.

but Keegan Murray is damn good and is a really nice fit. Has an all around game, plays good defense, hustles and plays hard.

shit shit shit

I need a beer.

4 again. 1 for each draft pick before ours and then one for ours. Shit

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May 26, 2022 5:49 am
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I’m unapologetically a Murray Fanboy.. and quit drinking 9.5 years ago.. so I’m doubly screwed…well I can always have a gummy

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May 26, 2022 8:27 am
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Smart man. Good call on the gummies.

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May 25, 2022 1:10 pm

Thoughts no one requested:

My top 6:

Smith Jr., Holmgren, Sharpe, Ivey, Murray, Banchero, I think only the top 4 have a legitimate chance of being the best player on a team that goes to a conference final.

I trust Monte enough to trade up. I feel like a trade back (unless it’s a single spot that nets Grant) is going to be a bad plan. I truly don’t want to trade it straight up for a player.

I’d take the best top 24 pick I could for Holmes.

I think Monte needs a final decision by the ASB, but I think he’s probably got a good sense of what he’ll need to do. I think he wants to win, and knows that if he doesn’t get it done here, KANGZ will be to blame as long as he makes solid and defensible movies. I’m not worried about him making the pick.

I hope Banchero doesn’t slip, because I don’t want us to pick him. His upside to me is LaMarcus Aldridge, and his downside taking a second jump at a Duke PF with a high ceiling who is doubtful to be the best player in his class.

I think a reasonable trade up looks like the Mavs trade for Luka. They moved two picks and traded a pick that was top 5 protected for 5 years. Ideally we’re outside the top 5 next year, and trade a good pick for a great, franchise altering pick.

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May 25, 2022 3:20 pm
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If we’re going to move back, we’re going to have to get the other team’s pick, and the lower that pick is, the better the player is going to be that comes back to Sacramento. If we swap to five or six, you’re still going to have at least one of Sharpe, Ivey, or Murray on the board. I’m skeptical about Banchero being there, but I’d grab him if he is, barring new negative information about him.

For the hell of it, say one of the last eight teams in the playoffs call to ask about moving up, who are the best players who could reasonably be had for the privilege?

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May 25, 2022 3:32 pm
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For the hell of it? What if Golden State called up and offered the #26 and Jordon Poole for the #4? The #26, Kuminga and Moody for the #4?

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May 25, 2022 7:40 pm
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For me, that’d be no & no.

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May 25, 2022 8:10 pm
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Me tuu.

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May 25, 2022 8:31 pm
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Kuminga and moody is interesting 🤔 I’d think long and hard about it.

Poole and Kuminga? 
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May 25, 2022 7:37 pm
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I think you’re underrating Banchero. He has some great offensive skills & I think he’ll be better than most of the other players in the top 6. I’m a lot less concerned about him than I was about Bagley.

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May 26, 2022 8:55 am
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Kings might land Banchero. I predict Ivey goes in the top 3.

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May 25, 2022 1:11 pm

I don’t understand why we need to trade up for the #1 or #2 pick.

Imho, top 4-5 are equally pure gambles. Just draft the BPA at #4 (Keegan hopefully coz we need shooters) then trade the 4-9th players on our current roster for impactful free agents.
I don’t mind if Fox is traded too. Just keep Sabonis , Mitchell and Divizenso

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May 25, 2022 3:23 pm
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I love that, but it’s clear that they didn’t expect DeRozan to be so damned good last season.

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May 25, 2022 4:16 pm
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That was written a year ago, before they would have evaluated Marvin Bagley’s four full seasons. I wonder if Bagley’s pick to bust ratio would be enough to send the Kings to the absolute bottom of the league?

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May 25, 2022 11:34 pm
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Insightful. Always a grim reminder of reality to see the Kangz at the bottom utilizing statistics, eye tests, fan perceptions or most any other metric.
Nice bit about not getting hopes up; as most teams will not significantly alter their franchise positively through a draft -according to the numbers.

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May 26, 2022 5:39 am
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G’dammit. Your well researched and articulated facts are not welcome in my reality! I need hyperbole to sustain the last sliver of hope remaining in my broken heart.

So I’m all in on the draft.. we aren’t getting great free agents knocking n our door, players only ask to be traded away from this basketball hell, and even when we finally get solid players we jettisoned them (Isaiah, Bogi, Hali).

So C’mon…just let us hope in the off season. Reality will come back around with a vengeance by the end of November.

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May 25, 2022 1:52 pm
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Trading the 4-9 players on our roster should be easy.

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Agreed. I honestly think Mitchell is just as good as fox. He can’t break ankles or zoom past defenders like fox, but we need a 2 way point guard. This was recently the worst defensive team in league history.

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May 25, 2022 1:14 pm

I know the common thought, in regards to trading up, involves the Kings adding an additional future pick as the kicker, but what if it wasn’t a pick at all?

Orlando is obviously loaded at PG with Anthony, Fultz and likely Suggs competing for the position, so what if the Kings lightened their load by taking a few off of their hands by trading them on their own in Fox?

Fox and the #4 for #1, Fultz and Suggs? Kings would have to really like Smith Jr. at #1 and have him pegged as a legit All-star while also be willing to have Fultz and Suggs share the backcourt. Kings would get two young slashing combo guards to run off of Sabonis and their cornerstone player in Smith Jr.

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I absolutely love that idea. Would the Magic do that? Man, that would be amazing.

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May 25, 2022 1:58 pm
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It would all depend if the Magic think they can still get their guy at #4. Let’s hypothetically say that Paolo or Chet is #1 on their board. If they think he might still be there at #4 when the Kings pick, then why wouldn’t they?

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May 25, 2022 2:52 pm
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If they think he might still be there at #4 when the Kings pick, then why wouldn’t they?

Presumably for the same reason I think this deal has the intention of trying to move off Fox and the 4yr/130+ million contract Fox has coming for a cost controlled PG which they Magic already have.

Not saying a good or bad trade, just that might be a big reason.

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May 25, 2022 3:04 pm
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That assumes that Orlando, who has a very clean cap sheet with no max deals, sees Fox’s contract as bad. Maybe they don’t?

I guess it would come down to who they value. Fox is better than any of their 3 guards in Fultz, Anthony, and Suggs, but he does come at a significant price. The Magic have a ton of cap space this summer, but are likely not a free agent destination.

If Orlando has Smith Jr as their 1a and Chet as their 1b, but Chet slips to #4, the Magic may see getting value out of the the #1. They could get their 1b player and a starting PG that trumps any of their current guards. Of course it also comes down to who the Kings value. If Smith Jr is #1 on their boards while Chet is #4 or lower, they may really push for that kind of deal, or they may just be content with taking Chet.

It’s all hypotheticals, but I think it is a possible scenario in which the Kings move up to #1 without giving up future assets.

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May 25, 2022 8:32 pm
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Rule #1 Adam: Never argue with #WizSox

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May 25, 2022 1:54 pm
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I love the idea, don’t think the Magic would do it, nor do I think Monte has the stones to do it. Whether it’s Monte or Vivek’s influence, seems like the FO is attached to Fox.
Buying low on Fultz and Suggs or Issac would be a worth while gamble.

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May 25, 2022 2:03 pm
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It may also come down to how much Monte values Davion Mitchell. If he thinks he can hand the keys to him, then Fox is all the more movable. It doesn’t have to be Fultz and Suggs either. Maybe Issac is available? Maybe Franz is available?

#1, Fultz, and Franz for #4, Fox and some 2nd rounders?

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May 25, 2022 2:40 pm
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And the kings take Jabari or Holmgren?

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May 25, 2022 3:07 pm

Don’t know. It depends on who Orlando picks. I’d guess this kind of trade wouldn’t happen until the #4 pick is on the clock. It would take mutual interest in both teams to who was taken #1 and who is still available at #4.

That being said, I’d hope for the Kings it was for Jabari.

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Don’t think Franz is available, have heard nothing but positive things on his rookie season.
I’d say Fultz and Isaac are gettable.

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May 25, 2022 7:48 pm
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It sounds like Orlando would prefer to keep Isaac.

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May 25, 2022 8:27 pm
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They’d have to sell him low for pennies on the dollar. Since they don’t have any cap issues, I’m sure they’d rather see if he can bounce back, or at least rebuild a bit of value.

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May 25, 2022 8:34 pm

This.

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May 25, 2022 11:40 pm
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I am not sure how people are not scare of Isaac’s injury history.

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May 25, 2022 7:43 pm
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I don’t think there’s any chance the Magic do that because I don’t believe Fox actually has positive value given contract. I’m not sure a point guard who can’t shoot or play defense is all that valuable.

Watching the playoffs this year is instructive. I’d rather have a guy like Brunson than Fox. I’d rather have Marcus Smart. I’d rather have Jordan Poole. I’d rather have Maxey, Haliburton, Garland, and Murray as well. Once you actually start going down the list, it becomes very clear to me at least that Fox just isn’t actually worth much of anything as an asset.

As an aside, the Kings are trying to build around two players that neither shoot nor play elite defense and that’s a recipe for failure. Barring some mega trade or a home run draft pick, I firmly believe this team will be terrible next year because their valuation of assets is just atrocious.

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May 25, 2022 11:44 pm

I am sure Dallas would rather than Fox than Brunson. Ask all 30 teams in the NBA would they rather have Fox or Brunson. You really think more teams will say Brunson? I think your valuation is terrible. Are we going to be terrible next year, possibly. I know if we have Brunson instead, we WILL be terrible.

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I guess we’ll find out when Brunson inks his new deal this summer.

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May 26, 2022 9:40 pm
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I doubt he’ll get as much as Fox did which in my opinion just makes him a more valuable asset going forward. Until Fox actually starts impacting winning I don’t what he’s actually worth. I know it’s not all his fault but he was pretty terrible last season.

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Yeah I just don’t buy that at all. How do you think Fox would have performed in these playoffs? I see a bunch of guys who play really hard, hit 3’s and most of them at the very least try incredibly hard on defense. When has Fox done that? I haven’t seen it 5 years in. What evidence do we have that it will start now?

I think if you take the Kings colored glasses off it’s pretty obvious that we haven’t seen a shred of evidence that Fox has what it takes to be a winning player since his second year when Joerger was here. Could a better coach change that? Maybe but I really don’t know at this point. I think if we’re back here in a year and the team still stinks we’ll have a pretty definitive answer.

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May 25, 2022 3:04 pm

When we was truly Kangz

In the 1990 draft the Kings set a new record for exercising 4 first round draft picks.

#7 Lionel Simmons career win share 16.9
#14 Travis Mays 2.4
#18. Duane Causewell 15.8
#23. Anthony Bonner 10.8

They also acquired an additional further 3 picks from this world beating draft class

#3 Abdul-Rauf 25.2
#24. Dwayne Schinzius 1
#25. Alla Abdelnaby 4.9

But it isn’t really a Kangz party until something stupid happens, right?

OK, with the 40th selection the Kings take Bimbo Coles and his 27.4 career win share and then immediately spin him off to acquire 1 season of a washed Rory Sparrow.

Take that young Kings fans.

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Those names are nostalgically depressing 🤢

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