No, that score isn’t a typo. The game was worse than the score indicates. If you missed this game, congratulations.
Celtics 128, Kings 75: Oof
The deepest and heaviest of exhales.
By Greg Wissinger | 198 Comments | Jan 25, 2022
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Was anybody else hoping they’d lose by 60?
I was hoping Boston would double up the Kings. It was pretty close for a moment there at the end.
My only concern is that they’ll panic and mortguage the whole future to trade for just about anyone in a scramble to reach the play-in.
What future ?
yes, what future. and what play in?
NOP close to .500 post 1-12 start. Blazers playing better
Kings best hope is if they can catch the Pacers on the race to the bottom.
Then the better draft choice will give them pause, I hope, about trading every future free asset for Simmonds or Grant or Carmelo.
Not a chance, once gentry put in Queta and King, the two guys who gave a f*ck, I know the 60 point deficit would be cut, as much as I wanted them to lose by 100.
157 comments. Did the Kings win by 60?
Why don’t they just demote the team to the g-league?
They’re already there at this point. I think a high school team would have put up better numbers. I KNOW that they would have played with more heart.
I would support that rule change.
too bad this was not like the Premier League where the bad teams get demoted to the G League
Remember, Vivek wants Monte to get this team to the playoffs this year.
Delusional
is there something way , way beyond delusional?
Isn’t that the saddest thing of all, that this entire organization is supposedly trying its hardest to win?
All they have to give….for 15 years.
Correction. The safest thing of all is having Vivek as owner
Damn it. Saddest.
It’s beyond pathetic tbh.
2 Words
Fucking
Idiot!
to not see how bad this organization is-idiot. To not see this team needs to rebuild-get a high pick-don’t build around Fox-Idiot.
To not see the owner’s ego has killed this team. Fucking Moron
Let me know when we hit the bottom.
Already there, but the stupid sunzabitches keep digging.
I’m pretty confident we hit rock bottom years ago and have just kept drilling. Who knows if we are even making a dent in the rock but boy are we trying to go deeper.
It’s hard to feel like this team deserves to be in the NBA.
Wait. Didn’t watch obviously, stopped watching a long time ago, however:
128
-75
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53
🤯🤯🤯
Best recap ever!
Also, this isn’t even rock bottom yet
This recap possessed far more effort than the game deserved.
If it took longer than a minute, okay 90 seconds, to write and post, Greg gave WAYYYYYY too much effort.
This is the recap this game deserves. 100%
Think how much some of these guys got paid for this. It’s really depressing.
I understand this it is their job but I don’t put much on them.
Their work environment (organization) is a mess. Probably not fun to be there for them.
The players output-will is a direct outcome of Vivek’s horrid organization.
We’ve heard plenty of tidbits about the diminutive piece of shit treating employees poorly.
Unless Vivek let’s a GM retool (he won’t) it’s abject failure forever. Protest/billboard time soon enough.
Maybe we ought to do a fundraiser to raise money for renting highway billboards. Angry fans protesting team would surely gain national attention.
According to Glassdoor data:
I remember a story about Vivek challenging his employees to push-up contests, so at least they get to keep fit at work. That’s got to add a .003 to the work-life balance.
It says a lot to me that as an employee (player in this case) that you still don’t try to be the best at your job, regardless of the situation. The players effort is 100% in their control, and if they give shit effort like this simply because the environment is crap, then things will never change and all of these dudes need to go.
The only way Monte has any chance at another GM job after this one is to resign in protest and make it clear he couldn’t do his job properly because of ownership meddling.
So when do they fire or trade every single person associated with this team and start over? I’m still in favor of keeping Hali but they are going to need to surround him with NBA basketball players. I’ve never eaten excrement but I’m assuming the taste this team leaves in my mouth is very similar.
If I were Monte, I would not only trade everything I could, but I would completely get rid of the entire coaching staff and start completely new. Why bring in all new players with an old losing coaching staff.
I miss Doug calling games.
No way. He was bad. I think he’s much better in a coaches role.
He was brought in to be a defensive coach. The Kings are one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA. Need I say more?
He’s been given Buddy Hield, De’Aaron Fox, and Marvin Bagley to work with. Michelangelo couldn’t sculpt a statue out of runny dog crap.
Best high-fiver in the league, hands down.
He was better than Non stop talker Kayte but not by much !
That’s how I’ve been when I’ve tuned in to any of our recent losses. I get deliriously giddy. I want to keep watching, but I have to turn it off.
FIRE VIVEK
#BILLBOARD 2.0
Saddest aspect of that final score is that there’s King’s fans that actually wasted their time and watched that game. My sincere advice, check out, stop watching this team until major changes are made at all organizational levels.
Honestly, I think I’m damn near that point, if not already there. I’ve been rooting for these losers for years and they never fail to disappoint. When you lose by 50+ points, why would anyone want to watch that garbage?
Bless you for making it this long…
I chose the wrong night to check in on this team man…..
I’m actually enjoying watching it. It’s kind of like watching a car crash. My buddy and I text back and forth talking shit about Vivek the entire game. It’s kinda of therapeutic.
Did that a long time ago Napear. Haven’t watched a Kings game in months. I checked out parts of a few games early in the season as I do every year, to see how the rookies look, then reached the conclusion “Nope. Team is still junk” and tuned out again. If it were not for this forum, I would have zero idea about the Kings. I am a former season ticket holder too.
There is zero way you can look at this team and not say TEAR IT DOWN.
Everyone needs to go.
Everyone.
Clear the air.
This organization is a complete insult to the city of Sacramento. Sacramento is not the problem, the problem is the Kings organization and in particular Vivek Ranadive. The fan base has completely lost all confidence in his ability to lead this team. His desire to make this team Warrior West has failed and now we find our team in the worst condition since he took over.
I agree everyone needs to go…clear the air.
Small market teams like the bucks make championships….meanwhile we have a complete doofus organization…you’re right the problem isn’t Sacramento it’s these clowns in charge
The whole small-market thing isn’t nearly as big as impediment as it was a generation ago. With social media and other forms of instant “viral” promotion, even small-market players can make big names for themselves. Would Giannis be more famous if he played in New York? I don’t think so. Bottom line is every owner is a billionaire with more than enough money to pay top-shelf talent and build world-class facilities. The difference comes down to execution, and the KANGZ are executing what’s left of their fanbase’s enthusiasm.
Well in Milwaukee’s case they had to have enough sense/scouting talent to draft him at #15 and then build a competent roster around him. It’s a lot more work for them then say a team like the fakers which attract big names due to location without having to do AS much. Small market teams need to try harder but Sacramento gets constantly shitted on because the organization actually looks like it’s trying but has been desperately failing for the last 15 years.
Their second best player was a 2nd rd pick, Chris Middleton ! A two time All Star ! Rest of team trades and low cost F A !
Rock bottom, you proved my point. Their scouting is obviously more competent than ours
Bravo.
I stopped having confidence in Vivek’s leadership when they fired Malone and he allowed Pete D to do all of his shady GM stuff. Knew right then that Vivek had no clue how to run a group of adults at his place of business.
I agree with your take, but Oakland/San Francisco are west of Sacramento.
Just Vivek needs to go. Then you’d actually have a chance.
Not sure about that. There’s others that have been “in charge” for over 16 seasons.
Never forget the Maloofs were pretty good owners until their investments tanked. The Maloofs lacked money. Vivek lacks sense, humility, and basic competence.
It’s not even fun to ridicule the Kings anymore. You all were promised a GREAT team when Golden One was built. Fooled you.
G1C is nice- but the contents stink
Not even sure what to say at this point. Every part of the basketball organization is an mitigated disaster filled with absolute morons who can’t get out of their own way, from the owner whose every instinct is the opposite of right, to the GM who only looks slightly better than quite possibly the dumbest man to ever make personnel decisions for a professional sports team, to the gutless, no talent players.
There’s apathy, and there’s a boycott, and at this point, I’m in favor of both.
I wish people would boycott this team and not go to anymore games. Let Vivek sit courtside alone and feel like a dumbass.
I don’t think Vivek feels there are other people in the room with him. They are props in his sociopathic view of the world.
Totally doable to be both
Well put Carl.
You cut right to the heart of it.
I thought it was an enjoyable game. I say that because it was fun to watch how brilliant Tatum and Brown play, and Williams is a monster down low.
Added bonus, Spurs won. So we’re now tied with them for the 6th spot and have a legit shot of moving into sole possession of 5th after tomorrow night’s loss. As the Pacers play at home vs Charlotte.
I am now a big Pacers fan. and SAS and NOP
That’s a Peach Hon!
Dear Vivek,
The fans would support a rebuilding, passionate 17-win team with a coach who develops players. Please let Monte do this, or replace him if he can’t. At the very least, we deserve a direction. And if you want to sell, we’d be okay with that, too.
Sincerely,
Anyone who ever loved this team
I hope he reads this
If you paste it into Excel and change the format to “Currency,” he might.
This is one of those games that wasn’t nearly as close as the score would indicate.
Trade them all. Trade them now. What an embarrassment.
Chose not to watch. Best choice I made all week.
Time to burn this team to the ground. From Fox down to the equipment personnel.
Proven losers. Epic losers…..
I listened to G Man call parts of this one. Man, he doesn’t deserve this.
I tuned in at just after the end of the first. G Man doing his best…calling the crowd leaving instead of the game.
I am surprised he has not walked out of a game yet. He has no reason to deal with these shit bags.
a couple of weeks ago, he did cough himself out of a game. Lucky him
Seeing this in 30 of 37 years, he’s gotta be just used to it by this point.
Yeah, he’s seen his share of pure unadulterated crap.
I think I feel worse for him than any other person associated with this organization.
I am glad Jerry got out when he did. Two legends that deserve much better. Luckily we have Jerry on the Herald and the Podcast. Maybe they can work on having the G Man as a guest on the Pod???
I switched over to the Wizards/Clippers game and honestly, I was happy our team at least had the decency to get blown out.
Wiz gave up a 35 point lead and lost on a 3pt and 1 after a 5 second call turnover.
And to let that happen in a home game, at that.
I follow the Wizards a lot, and there are some interesting comparisons with Sacramento.
Most fans are afraid that Leonsis will do everything to keep Beal happy and pay him the supermax, and will cripple the team’s future to do so.
Beal is viewed as a guy just playing for his numbers and getting paid, with awful defense, so-so BBIQ and mediocre leadership skills.
Agree on Beal ! A stat guy on a loser ! By the end of the season they will be worse than last year with Scott Brooks and Westbrook !
Hey that sounds like a player on the kangZ team
Wow, that final score is certainly……….something.
Neemius Queta played though so that was cool.
What’s with the Quetta obsession? He can’t even crack the rotation on this sorry ass team.
He’s got potential, does a lot of things other guys on this roster doesn’t do, and he’s still shiny and new.
That about sums it up for me. He’s interesting, but he’s probably a 3rd big man at best. Doesn’t mean I can’t root for the guy.
It boggles the mind to think that it’s actually way harder to build the level of incompetence of the Kings organization than it is to build a dynasty that can win 3 NBA championships in a row.
3+ NBA championships in a row?
Boston Celtics – 8 in a row 1959-1966
Minneapolis Lakers – 3 in a row 1952-1954
Chicago Bulls – 3 in a row 1991 – 1993
Chicago Bulls – 3 in a row 1996 – 1998
Los Angeles Lakers – 2000-2002
15+ years without a playoff appearance?
Sacramento Kings
Los Angeles Clippers
A 3-peat has been done 5 times since 1959.
A 15-year streak without a playoff appearance (not winning a playoff game, just qualifying for the playoffs) has been done 2 times in the history of the NBA..
And we’ll have the all time futility award (16 seasons) in 30something games. Fantastic. Never been done. Never equaled.
Until next season when we’ll stretch that out to 17 seasons.
I feel bad for the players that truly dedicated their lives to mastering the craft of basketball – from grade school to high school to college…probably missing out on a lot of normal childhood to dedicate 10s of thousands of hours to practice and competition. And now they are stuck in this hellhole and just counting the days until they can get the f* out.
There’s a saying in the design field.
No matter how foolproof you think your design is, you’re wrong because the universe always makes a better fool.
Lol, I like that! There’s always a dumbass lurking somewhere
jokes on the universe- we are the better fool!
This is why there needs to be a COMPLETE RESET!!!! keep Burt. Trade everyone else!!! That’s not fan depression, that’s fan realism.
No reason to get excited here folks! Monte sees no reason to blow up the team!
Just need that 1 piece…
A reincarnated Wilt Chamberlain that Ave 50 pts, 22 rebounds and 5 blocks ! That would do it and he once did it while alive ! Other than him , it may take 2pieces !
Nah, he’d take the ball out of Fox’s hands.
Let’s go Kings!
Trades get harder when this happens.
Sixers….I want Fox and Haliburton…..and some picks. I will give you Simmons jock strap.
Kings…No Way! These guys are too valuable to give up.
Sixers…. Didn’t you just lose by more than fifty?
Monte: yeah but fox wasn’t playing so he’s worth 50 picks
Monte is the only one watching the game…nobody else knows who plays or doesn’t play.
I hope this is true. Worried it’s not.
If anyone on this site still goes to games please stop. Send Vivek the message. Stop supporting this crap.
That might get him to further trade away picks and young talent for meaningless play in if he wants ticket sales, is the problem
Fuck. You might be right.
Maybe then he will have to sell the team like them aloofs did for financial reasons since he keeps digging the team into the ground and people stop showing up. He keeps stacking the payroll with a bottom of the barrel team. Hit him in the pocketbook and you might just get his attention.
None of us are talking about the biggest obstacle that may be in front of this team
Our ownership is bent on not rebuilding for a reason
If they are too poor to afford multi years of bad tickets sales, they could give a damn about if rebuilding is the right path
We may have an ownership that is too poor to own a team not allowing this team to rebuild in its proper path
Yeah we never talk about that.
where?
just whining about rebuilding with no thought about why ownership isnt
Says the guy who only whines about Fox’s imprint?
You literally have to just go back to the previous page and there are comments about it in this recap. It’s being discussed constantly.
no clue what your talking about, but I’m the only one talking about the financial aspect, on the site
it needs to be talked about
I have said it before….VIVEK IS A PENNY PINCHING CHEAPSKATE…he won’t eat a proper rebuild but the dumbass keeps paying coaches and gm’s that aren’t here anymore for his stupid decisions….it’s quite ironic
Sorry… I call Bull shit!
more fans would come support a team that was building something playing hard and sucking ass
Being a sacramento kings fan since the first day of their existence in sacramento proves that point.
your thinking like someone on this site, not the casual Sacramentan who just wants to be entertained for the evening
You have seen the arena this year, right? You have heard the desperation in the ticket sellers voices when they call you now, right?
Only possible game grade: 4 out of 4 Kangz.
I had to log in just to give this a thumbs up!
Well of course I tuned in too late and completely missed this one. But as it turns out I didn’t miss it at all!
Stop bragging about yourself.
Yeah….we are never ever gonna be good again. Watch us win like 5 games straight to close out the season and then tank in the draft lotto.
This game reminded me of the 60 pt + loss I think Minnesota (or another team) put on the Knicks just completely gave up on Coach Isiah Thomas. I think it’s likely that this is a very similar type of game. The team gave up, they clearly showed what they think of ownership, management and the coaching staff and how much they don’t like being on the Sacramento Kings. Pick a piece to keep, blow the rest up.
I really don’t want to hear that the players called a player’s only meeting. We are way past that.
“The reason I play so hard is that somewhere out there is some kid who has never seen me play before, and I don’t want to disappoint him.” -Joe Dimaggio
That’s the problem with players now, they don’t give a shit anymore. This is a game, and they get millions of dollars to play. If they can’t give all of their effort every single night, then they need to go. Can’t win with players like that.
Adam Silver ruined the NBA and gave in to too much player power. Been in a decline since he took over. The league has never been more corporate and soul-less.
I agree. The Player Empowerment movement has gone incredibly bad for the product, along with all the other ideas to try and help small market teams, like the supermax, etc. I miss the days of players wanting to stay on their original teams to try and make it a winner, unlike now where players chase rings and just want to play with their friends. Hard to root for a team when all the players cycle through every couple years.
Yes. This. Sports was much better when you could associate a player with a team. Now it’s all about the individual. We don’t think of Lebron as a Cav, or a Laker, or a Heat player… he’s just Lebron. To me, Bird was a Celtic. Magic was a Laker, Bradshaw was a Steeler, Jordan was a Bull. It’s not that way anymore. Every season it’s a merry-go-round of who is playing where and that just changes things a bit for my ability to really get behind a team.
What am I rooting for then – the Logo? Just the Jersey? To me, that means I’m just rooting for the owner, and with a guy like Vivek that just isn’t ever going to happen.
Best game of the season! More games like this please!
Why didn’t Fox play tonite? I haven’t be paying close attention. Is he in health and safety protocols again. I mean he’s only had covid twice.
No. Shoulder injury, I believe.
Sore ankle. Not his shoulder. Not sure which I’d prefer honestly.
An ankle Boo boo !
Second missed game due to an ankle injury of some kind.
Maybe he injured it by trying to run away from the team???
Me and the fam watching the game earlier:
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Vivek is a delusional coward who is afraid to blow up this utter shit show.
Because he can’t afford to blow it up…he can’t afford an nba team
He stepped down from TIBCO several years ago, so he has nothing else to do besides own the Kings. Not only can he not afford an NBA team, he also can’t help but meddle in the team, because he has nothing else to do. A bored egomaniac is never a good thing.
This is a big part of it…if Vivek is not meddling, then he is sitting around staring at the walls. Just wait until his kids start getting more involved….they have been riding daddy’s coattails for years.
Ok, that’s enough sports for the year. Time to focus on my videogame backlog, fitness goals and functional alcoholism.
I think this is correct response and it’s exactly where I’m at. I just want to say, condolences for the Bills because that was brutal. I root for Josh Allen because he’s from the Central Valley and he’s incredible and I really wanted to see him win. Just a bummer and I feel awful for Bills fans.
It was a gut punch for sure. I’m still numb.
Sorry about the Bills, BD. A heartbreaker.
But the future looks bright with a young and constantly improving franchise QB at the helm, who is pretty darn awesome.
It’s important to prioritize
Didn’t watch, didn’t check in throughout the evening, just sat down to see the results.
HOLY FUCK.
I’m so glad I spent the evening attending my high school alma mater where my daughter now attends to enjoy girls basketball. I enjoyed a great game against a rival, great culture, positive crowd, and a win. I much prefer ladies high school basketball more than I do out local professional men’s team.
Good for you and thanks for making me feel like shit. ;(
I’m starting to get very jealous of the fans who don’t watch these games.
Feel free to join us!
I tried to like women’s basketball but failed ! Good for you !
Swarming defenses, creative presses, 3 pt shooting, and just solid fundamental basketball. Kings could learn a thing or two from them.
The flow is great in HS games, without the tv timeouts. Really fun to watch.
Starting to feel like Monte is pretty clueless considering I just read your article about fit and now I’m thinking about how entering the year we were all wondering how this team would fit together because it looked so horribly constructed. This dude had a whole offseason to either make this team better or just give up and tank, instead he trotted out the same garbage with pieces that don’t go together. I’m not saying roster construction is easy, or every team would nail it, but I’m not seeing much competence from Monte when I dig deeper and as the season progresses. If he doesn’t do anything good at the deadline I’m basically putting him in the mediocre category with the rest of the coach and GM hires in Vivek era.
One good trade! I dare you Monte
This is my feeling exactly. You could have hired my effing dog as GM and got the same results. Woof. The only difficult decision he has made was when he literally couldn’t make a decision about Bogi so he just did nothing. FML
It’s hard to figure Monte’s plan. He doesn’t do much. It’s like he’s afraid to screw up so he does nothing instead. To me it looks like he feels pressure to hit a home run, so he is passing on all of the opportunities to just get some base hits. I’m thankful he isn’t just trading role players for other roles players (ala Vlade), and I know there just aren’t many ways for him to attract an all-star to come here, but he really isn’t getting anything done at all other than taking BPA at #7ish each year.
The preview doesn’t matter. The recap doesn’t matter. Your words don’t matter. My words don’t matter. There is no end in sight until the superstars arrive.
I don’t think there’s any end in sight until Vivek sells the team.
Orrr we could draft superstars but that seems too hard for this organization
Have the Kings considered signing a small forward?
That’s traditional thinking, according to the genius who
put this team togetherdidn’t do anything to change it.I heard slamson is trying out for the team
Ok, I’m going to un-retire Crandell for this but how tf did I miss this before –
https://www.theonion.com/kings-concerned-about-character-issues-after-multiple-p-1847380933
I want this on a T shirt. I’ll stop for two minutes each time someone wants to read the whole thing. I promise.
fuck this shit
When Sacramento Proud becomes Sacramento Sad.
Nice gamer, Greg. Seriously.
Time for a new slogan since ( Sacramento Proud ) is officially a joke !
“Sacramento, we sometimes try”
“Sacramento, drama Kings!”
“Sacramento, how worse can it get? Come and find out!”
“Sacramento Meh”
SacraMehnto
Sacofshit
McNair seems to be watching a lot of games since day 1 of his tenure, but holy f*ck, does he not understand basketball at the minimum level? I get he was a football player at Princeton but you would think learning under one of NBA’s better GM Morey for years would teach him something!
Maybe he thinks a nickel defense will work on the basketball court since there are five players per side? That would explain a lot of things, wouldn’t it?
It does explain why Morey did not hire him in Philly or Houston passed on him when Morey left ! Vivek with another miss !
Dear Monte and Vivek:
NBA 53.0!
Best comment of the thread hands down! LOL
PURPLE THIS NOW, PEOPLE
16 days, 3 hours and 30 minutes until the trade deadline. But who counts?
Apathy Post
A case for worst NBA team ever?: Has any team ever had:
League Pass froze in mid first quarter. I just turned it off. Somebody up there likes me.
https://www.theonion.com/dipshit-owner-looking-for-perfect-dipshit-gm-to-carry-o-1848420806
Watched the Jazz play the Suns the other night. Jazz were missing their entire starting lineup. I think they ran out Trent Forest (backup PG), Clarkson, Daniel House Jr. (covid replacement), Eric Paschal and Whiteside.
Jazz second/third string players played the Suns close right up to the end of the fourth quarter.
It’s quite obvious there is something horribly wrong with the Kings.
Monte/Vivek, do you still think this is a playoff team?? This team has never come close to resemble a playoff team. You would need multiple Ben Simmons like players to turn it around. This is another lost season, which this team is too accustomed to. It is so evident that the players are looking forward to either being traded or for the season to end. The team plays with no heart or pride whatsoever. They expect to lose. . By the time the trade deadline arrives, this team will have no chance to make the playoffs. I just hope the FO sees that and blows up this core group. Unfortunately, based on past experiences, I have no confidence that they will. I’m expecting little to no significant changes and this franchise puts us through another 5-6 seasons of the same shit. Please roll the dice to get a Simmons/Sabonis type player or do a full on rebuild. Just do SOMETHING big. This is the first season my family and I have not been at a game. The price of watching a game in person is nowhere close to the product being put out on the floor. Hell, I can’t even watch an entire game on TV anymore. At least we have 9ers to cheer for.
Washington Generals
We’re worse.
Have we been closet tanking since the Walton was fired, and nobody was told about it?
based off of the comments I am reading it would seem that the general theme is that we are not the best team in the NBA
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