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2020 Free Agency Open Thread

Buckle up kids, free agency is about to get weird!

2020 Free Agency kicks off at 3 PM PT. Use this thread to discuss any and all news.

If there are any Kings-specific stories, we will cover those separately.

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Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago

Whiteside? Fox rumors? Bogi to ATL? DRINK!

13 days ago

ATL is about to offer a lot of money..good for them. enjoy

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago

I’ve had a feeling for a while now that Hayward has wanted to return to Indy. Why else opt out of $34M?

Murf
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

so no deal as Boston will talk about the deal a lot and say they got close but won’t close the deal:)

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago
Reply to  Murf

Typical Ainge.

Gregoryl
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

That dude must hate Boston

RobHessing
13 days ago

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Kosta
13 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

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Dirkula
13 days ago

Wonder if we match just to try to get something back in a trade?

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RobHessing
13 days ago
Reply to  Dirkula

Depends. If it’s an outsized offer the Kings are pretty much screwed, though they could offer a quick non-match in return for something. Otherwise the Kings could grind it out for the entire 72 hours, which would put Atlanta in the position of not doing something else with that money and then having the well dry up.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

If McNair is smart, he sits and waits until the clock nearly hits zero. Make ATL sweat it out while other guards get picked up.
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Then match the offer no matter what and set a new precedent in Sac.

nikstauskasontheheat
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

How many days do the Kings get to decide if they want to match?

Hobby916
13 days ago

72 hours?

Dirkula
13 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

I love the idea of holding out and tying up their cash while everything plays out. I recall that was a concern for us recently though I can’t remember who we were chasing. Been a hell of a year!

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago
Reply to  Dirkula

It is the one way to get compensation quickly from ATL. Just sit and wait until they offer something you want so you put pen to paper.

MaybeNextYear
13 days ago
Reply to  Dirkula

Zach Lavine?

andy_sims
13 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

Yeah, if the Hawks frontload the shit out of their offer, let them sit and spin for three days. Nothing comes free.

Chef
13 days ago
Reply to  andy_sims

If they front load the contract it will remind me of the Isaiah Thomas free agency, when the Suns front loaded the contract. Foolish back then not to match and even dumber in hindsight. Can’t let assets walk for nothing. Worse case scenario you can trade him in a year.

and no, cash considerations and Alex O. is not much of an asset.

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Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago
Reply to  Chef

Or trade Buddy.

BeTheBall
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

If you have to choose between one or the other, keeping Bogdan and trading Buddy seems like a no-brainer.

Gregoryl
13 days ago
Reply to  BeTheBall

Right, but if they match for Bogi, every team will know they will be desperate to trade Buddy.

BeTheBall
13 days ago
Reply to  Gregoryl

But if more than one team has serious interest in Buddy, that evens out.

TheGuyOnTheCouch
13 days ago
Reply to  Gregoryl

Then I would argue a new market for Buddy opens, bringing in new players

nonstripedzebra
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

If possible with suitors. I have doubts competitive teams wont look elsewhere, especially early in the market. Or how moveable he is generally.

Said this on a previous thread but I don’t see why ATL wouldn’t force the Kings hand. Granted they are being rash and have a number of holes for the hopeful playoff push, so time is a factor in FA. Still a smart team would do this. A sign and trade post the Bucks deal seemed very much at risk in my view.

Gregoryl
13 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

Couldn’t they also spend the 72 hours trying to trade Buddy? I feel like leverage is being lost for the Kings here…

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago
Reply to  Dirkula

ATL doesn’t have to offer anything back in trade. They can fit him in their cap. It is match or walk for the Kings.

RobHessing
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Yep. The narrow needle to thread would be if Atlanta liked three players and have two players money, time would be of the essence on knowing whether they landed Bogi. It might be worth something to them to get Sac. out of the way quickly.

Hobby916
13 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

Yeah, hold up their process and screw them over

Dirkula
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

So if he signs and we match, we can’t trade him? I guess I hadn’t realized that 🤦🏻‍♂️

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago
Reply to  Dirkula

Kings can, he just has a no-trade clause. He’d have to sign off on it.

Dirkula
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Gotcha.
I see now, I could’ve done even worse navigating these trades than Vlade!

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago
Reply to  Dirkula

And it is only for one year.

andy_sims
13 days ago
Reply to  Dirkula

In your defense, you never claimed that you could.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago

Not surprising.

Hobby916
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

re-signed Myers Leonard too

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago
Reply to  Hobby916

Yeah, at $9M. That’s a bit steep for him, IMO.

Hobby916
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Especially for a backup that got benched in the Playoffs.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago

Not Surprising.

Hobby916
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

I am not surprised when anyone tests positive.

BeTheBall
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Meh, good for him, I guess. Now he gets to pretend it’s not a big deal too.

Inthestarz
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Flagged for politics. Non leftist need to read the board without that stuff

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago
Reply to  Inthestarz

Flagged for reality check. Leftists get COVID too. My grandmother died in March. Even?

Kosta
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Sorry to hear that, Adam. May she rest in peace. <3

I hope the rest of your family is doing ok.

Inthestarz
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Ok man. We’re here to talk sport as a diversion from the mess of society. Sorry to hear of your grandmother

BestHyperboleEver
13 days ago
Reply to  Inthestarz

No, that’s what YOU’RE here for.

RobHessing
13 days ago

I used to come here for the buffet, but then they put the sneeze guards up and that was it for me.

BestHyperboleEver
13 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

I refuse to live in fear of snotty greens.

BeTheBall
13 days ago
Reply to  Inthestarz

I’d imagine you’ve probably only met liberals IRL, not actual leftists.

AmateurNerd
13 days ago
Reply to  Inthestarz

“Leftists.” Does that make the other side “Rightists”? Leave the forced pejoratives to Ben Shapiro fanboys, and let’s move on.

RobHessing
13 days ago
Reply to  AmateurNerd

I throw leftist but golf rightist. Does that make a moderatist?

Kosta
13 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

Wait, are you a moderatist for this site again? Does that mean you are wielding the Ban Hammer once more?

RobHessing
13 days ago
Reply to  Kosta

I loved his music on Miami Vice.

Inthestarz
13 days ago
Reply to  Kosta

Are you suggesting that I said anything that required a banning?

Kosta
13 days ago
Reply to  Inthestarz

No, it’s a reference to Rob’s former role as a moderator on the old site.

Timmy_13
13 days ago
Reply to  Kosta

Rob posted a pic of his ban hammer on the other thread, though he was wearing shorts that time. But yes, I would surmise that he is still wielding his ban hammer.

RobHessing
13 days ago
Reply to  Timmy_13

Nope. Been officially retired from moderating for probably 6-7 years now.

MaybeNextYear
13 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

I hear Marvin Bagley is a real leftist

ZillersCat
13 days ago
Reply to  MaybeNextYear

You are right!

Kosta
13 days ago
Reply to  AmateurNerd

I’m trying to be Amphibious, but it’s tougher than I thought.

ZillersCat
13 days ago
Reply to  Kosta

I had to be Amphibious as I could never borrow a right hand glove to play.

Inthestarz
13 days ago
Reply to  AmateurNerd

well, we’re sportists or kingsists. I’d love to move on, without anyone slipping in any digs

Gregoryl
13 days ago
Reply to  AmateurNerd

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Dirkula
13 days ago

Off topic, but with Thanksgiving on the horizon, I highly recommend this Praline Pecan Whiskey. It’s delicious! Even my wife couldn’t believe it was whiskey

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BuffaloDiaspora
13 days ago
Reply to  Dirkula

I do not understand the appeal of this. The best part about whiskey is that it tastes like whiskey.

Dirkula
13 days ago

Well, it’s like a gateway whiskey! Just like how I didn’t like wine in my 20’s until I had Sutter Home white Zin!
(I’ll show myself out now…)

andy_sims
13 days ago
Reply to  Dirkula

Each bottle comes with a purse-sized box of tampons.

RAP87
13 days ago

Rumors about Whiteside to the Kings? That would be a NO for me.

SPTSJUNKIE
13 days ago
Reply to  RAP87

Reposting from the last thread that is apparently old now:

Ok – I guess I am the contrarian here. I’ll panic if he gets some sort of a 3/$60M deal.

But two of our biggest issues the last few years (or decades) has been shot blocking and rebounding. Whiteside is a situational player who you have to pull against certain lineups. But if there are two things he is good at, it is protecting the rim (2.9 per game, 8.4 block %) and rebounding (13.5 per game, 23.6% rebound rate). 

If we can get him for something like 1-2 years at $7-8M per year with a team option, he’d actually make a fantastic weapon to have. And he would a new dynamic to the team that we haven’t had for awhile. 

RobHessing
13 days ago
Reply to  SPTSJUNKIE

You want to really tank? Sign Whiteside. He will give absolutely zero fucks about anything other than his counting stats.

Hobby916
13 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

I want him nowhere even close to a team that is trying to rebuild and Identify a positive culture.

RobHessing
13 days ago
Reply to  Hobby916

He is so wrong for so many reasons –

I’ve told this story before, but I was at the practice facility when he was a rookie. Practice ended and Samuel Dalembert offered to work 1-on-1 with Whiteside. Whiteside just waved him off with a towel and left the court. Told you everything you needed to know about the cat right there.

SPTSJUNKIE
13 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

I think this is valid. However, I will also point out that his rookie season was about 9-10 years ago. No doubt he was very immature and he bounced between several teams and had to play for two teams overseas before getting back into the NBA on a 10 day contract.

I am not even going to pretend he’s a veteran role model like VC was (and even that is a massive understatement). But I’m also not sure it’s fair to hold a story about an immature 21 year old against a 30 year old player who went through a lot to carve out a space in the league.

RobHessing
13 days ago
Reply to  SPTSJUNKIE

I’ve seen nothing in his game to convince me that he’s worth having around. And the fact that he’s probably available for the MLE when you look at this raw stats sort of enforces that point for me.

One of my least favorite players for this organization at this time.

SPTSJUNKIE
13 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

Absolutely reasonable perspective.

nikstauskasontheheat
13 days ago
Reply to  SPTSJUNKIE

I’d be happy offering the full MLE (9.5M/yr) in a one or two year deal. Anything more, which I’m not even sure we could afford, should be a hard pass.

Inthestarz
13 days ago

Whiteside does have some impact numbers, as I check.

id still rather start Holmes though, and Len did a good job for us

AirmaxPG
13 days ago
Reply to  Inthestarz

Yeah it’s a no for me on Whiteside. I hope that rumor is a McNair head-fake to sign Wood. The attitude isn’t worth it, as Rob alluded to above.

Mentioned in another thread: if we’re signing former Kings, can we make it Isaiah Thomas? Make the Kings Fun Again 😉

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago

I guess this means no Bogi to the Lakers.

Hobby916
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Use that cap space!

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago

I really do hope he can make a comeback.

RobHessing
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

I don’t want Cuz back, but for the right price he could help a team.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

The back of my mind is saying, “The culture here is changing and maybe he has matured and learned.”

The front of my mind wishes him the best elsewhere in the league.

13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

My mind’s telling me no…

But my body, my body’s telling me

HELL NO!!!

SmoothSactown
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

The divorce left both Kings and Boogie happier, no need to pick at old wounds when there are better matches elsewhere for both sides.

Gregoryl
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

I hope he doesn’t do it here.

13 days ago

Meyers Leonard and Mason Plumlee getting $8-9M each must be eating Boogie right now.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago
Reply to  socksofthewiz

It makes me want to steer clear of Whiteside even more, and I was already avoiding him like a gigantic iceberg.

13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Is there a better way to fade for Cade than by trading Holmes and signing Whiteside??? 1 year contract, and I’m all in for Whiteside.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago
Reply to  socksofthewiz

If the Kings have a deal in trade for Holmes, and they can get Whiteside on a cheap short deal, I’m cool with it. I just don’t want to see Whiteside, Holmes and Bagley on the same roster.

Hobby916
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

What about on the court together??? SF Bagley, PF Holmes, C Whiteside…in years past maybe, but McNair would never do that

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago

Holy Schnikees, centers are getting paid.

AirmaxPG
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

So Christian Wood will be moving on somewhere. Likely with a fat contract.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago
Reply to  AirmaxPG

My guess as well, but who has the money to pay him AND needs him. ATL is loaded in bigs, and NY is inept.

MichaelMack
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

What is Detroit doing. Is Troy texting with Vlade?

MichaelMack
13 days ago
Reply to  MichaelMack

Christian Wood is gonna look good with Tatum and Brown though

AirmaxPG
13 days ago
Reply to  MichaelMack

Can they afford him?

AirmaxPG
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

I would guess NY, but yeah who knows what they are doing…

BestHyperboleEver
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

$8MM/yr for Plumlee seems like a fine deal.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago

But with Dedmon and Okafor now on the roster as well?

RobHessing
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Neither one of those guys is a reason not to sign Plumlee. Plumlee and Dedmon might be a reason not to sign Okafor. Hell, common sense might be a reason not to sign Okafor.

BestHyperboleEver
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Don’t forget Isaiah Stewart. I’m assuming they don’t care much about roster construction at the moment. They’re just looking for what they think are good values.

Kingsguru21
13 days ago

This makes alot more sense to me than anything.

nonstripedzebra
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Inexplicable with the way they operated via draft. I guess its a down market and they might think him tradable but decline and cheaper bigs are more than possible. A strange one by Weaver.

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago

I have no idea what Detroit is doing.

RobHessing
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Tanking?

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

So they now have Dedmon, Okafor, Plumlee and are going to let Maker and Wood walk?

RobHessing
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Maker’s a UFA, I think. I think Wood may be, too?

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

I thought I read they didn’t extend the QO? I could be wrong.

Hobby916
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

They did not offer the QO

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

LOL!

RobHessing
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Is Vecenie at all known for contract valuation?

Kingsguru21
13 days ago
Reply to  RobHessing

No, but he opines like this all the time. FWIW.

Hobby916
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

All the Centers!!!

Adamsite
Nostradumbass 14
Nostradumbass 14
13 days ago

Everyone: “The league has shifted to a perimeter, playmaking league.”

NBA GM’s: “LET’S SIGN ALL THE PAINT ORIENTED CENTERS!!!”

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1329941998019764224

RobHessing
13 days ago
Reply to  Adamsite

Yeah, but all of these guys are getting signed to MLEs or less, right?

These guys have reduced importance, but they are not 100% obsolete.

Adamsite