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2020 Free Agency Open Thread
Buckle up kids, free agency is about to get weird!
By Greg Wissinger | 155 Comments | Nov 20, 2020
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Whiteside? Fox rumors? Bogi to ATL? DRINK!
ATL is about to offer a lot of money..good for them. enjoy
I’ve had a feeling for a while now that Hayward has wanted to return to Indy. Why else opt out of $34M?
https://twitter.com/GwashburnGlobe/status/1329919724919156738
so no deal as Boston will talk about the deal a lot and say they got close but won’t close the deal:)
Typical Ainge.
That dude must hate Boston
Wonder if we match just to try to get something back in a trade?
Depends. If it’s an outsized offer the Kings are pretty much screwed, though they could offer a quick non-match in return for something. Otherwise the Kings could grind it out for the entire 72 hours, which would put Atlanta in the position of not doing something else with that money and then having the well dry up.
If McNair is smart, he sits and waits until the clock nearly hits zero. Make ATL sweat it out while other guards get picked up.
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Then match the offer no matter what and set a new precedent in Sac.
How many days do the Kings get to decide if they want to match?
72 hours?
I love the idea of holding out and tying up their cash while everything plays out. I recall that was a concern for us recently though I can’t remember who we were chasing. Been a hell of a year!
It is the one way to get compensation quickly from ATL. Just sit and wait until they offer something you want so you put pen to paper.
Zach Lavine?
Yeah, if the Hawks frontload the shit out of their offer, let them sit and spin for three days. Nothing comes free.
If they front load the contract it will remind me of the Isaiah Thomas free agency, when the Suns front loaded the contract. Foolish back then not to match and even dumber in hindsight. Can’t let assets walk for nothing. Worse case scenario you can trade him in a year.
and no, cash considerations and Alex O. is not much of an asset.
Or trade Buddy.
If you have to choose between one or the other, keeping Bogdan and trading Buddy seems like a no-brainer.
Right, but if they match for Bogi, every team will know they will be desperate to trade Buddy.
But if more than one team has serious interest in Buddy, that evens out.
Then I would argue a new market for Buddy opens, bringing in new players
If possible with suitors. I have doubts competitive teams wont look elsewhere, especially early in the market. Or how moveable he is generally.
Said this on a previous thread but I don’t see why ATL wouldn’t force the Kings hand. Granted they are being rash and have a number of holes for the hopeful playoff push, so time is a factor in FA. Still a smart team would do this. A sign and trade post the Bucks deal seemed very much at risk in my view.
Couldn’t they also spend the 72 hours trying to trade Buddy? I feel like leverage is being lost for the Kings here…
ATL doesn’t have to offer anything back in trade. They can fit him in their cap. It is match or walk for the Kings.
Yep. The narrow needle to thread would be if Atlanta liked three players and have two players money, time would be of the essence on knowing whether they landed Bogi. It might be worth something to them to get Sac. out of the way quickly.
Yeah, hold up their process and screw them over
So if he signs and we match, we can’t trade him? I guess I hadn’t realized that ð¤¦ð»ï¸
Kings can, he just has a no-trade clause. He’d have to sign off on it.
Gotcha.
I see now, I could’ve done even worse navigating these trades than Vlade!
And it is only for one year.
In your defense, you never claimed that you could.
Not surprising.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1329923320037453824
re-signed Myers Leonard too
Yeah, at $9M. That’s a bit steep for him, IMO.
Especially for a backup that got benched in the Playoffs.
Not Surprising.
https://twitter.com/MichaelSkolnik/status/1329924124714610688
I am not surprised when anyone tests positive.
Meh, good for him, I guess. Now he gets to pretend it’s not a big deal too.
Flagged for politics. Non leftist need to read the board without that stuff
Flagged for reality check. Leftists get COVID too. My grandmother died in March. Even?
Sorry to hear that, Adam. May she rest in peace. <3
I hope the rest of your family is doing ok.
Ok man. We’re here to talk sport as a diversion from the mess of society. Sorry to hear of your grandmother
No, that’s what YOU’RE here for.
I used to come here for the buffet, but then they put the sneeze guards up and that was it for me.
I refuse to live in fear of snotty greens.
I’d imagine you’ve probably only met liberals IRL, not actual leftists.
“Leftists.” Does that make the other side “Rightists”? Leave the forced pejoratives to Ben Shapiro fanboys, and let’s move on.
I throw leftist but golf rightist. Does that make a moderatist?
Wait, are you a moderatist for this site again? Does that mean you are wielding the Ban Hammer once more?
I loved his music on Miami Vice.
Are you suggesting that I said anything that required a banning?
No, it’s a reference to Rob’s former role as a moderator on the old site.
Rob posted a pic of his ban hammer on the other thread, though he was wearing shorts that time. But yes, I would surmise that he is still wielding his ban hammer.
Nope. Been officially retired from moderating for probably 6-7 years now.
I hear Marvin Bagley is a real leftist
You are right!
I’m trying to be Amphibious, but it’s tougher than I thought.
I had to be Amphibious as I could never borrow a right hand glove to play.
well, we’re sportists or kingsists. I’d love to move on, without anyone slipping in any digs
Off topic, but with Thanksgiving on the horizon, I highly recommend this Praline Pecan Whiskey. It’s delicious! Even my wife couldn’t believe it was whiskey
I do not understand the appeal of this. The best part about whiskey is that it tastes like whiskey.
Well, it’s like a gateway whiskey! Just like how I didn’t like wine in my 20’s until I had Sutter Home white Zin!
(I’ll show myself out now…)
Each bottle comes with a purse-sized box of tampons.
Rumors about Whiteside to the Kings? That would be a NO for me.
Reposting from the last thread that is apparently old now:
Ok I guess I am the contrarian here. I’ll panic if he gets some sort of a 3/$60M deal.
But two of our biggest issues the last few years (or decades) has been shot blocking and rebounding. Whiteside is a situational player who you have to pull against certain lineups. But if there are two things he is good at, it is protecting the rim (2.9 per game, 8.4 block %) and rebounding (13.5 per game, 23.6% rebound rate).
If we can get him for something like 1-2 years at $7-8M per year with a team option, he’d actually make a fantastic weapon to have. And he would a new dynamic to the team that we haven’t had for awhile.
You want to really tank? Sign Whiteside. He will give absolutely zero fucks about anything other than his counting stats.
I want him nowhere even close to a team that is trying to rebuild and Identify a positive culture.
He is so wrong for so many reasons –
I’ve told this story before, but I was at the practice facility when he was a rookie. Practice ended and Samuel Dalembert offered to work 1-on-1 with Whiteside. Whiteside just waved him off with a towel and left the court. Told you everything you needed to know about the cat right there.
I think this is valid. However, I will also point out that his rookie season was about 9-10 years ago. No doubt he was very immature and he bounced between several teams and had to play for two teams overseas before getting back into the NBA on a 10 day contract.
I am not even going to pretend he’s a veteran role model like VC was (and even that is a massive understatement). But I’m also not sure it’s fair to hold a story about an immature 21 year old against a 30 year old player who went through a lot to carve out a space in the league.
I’ve seen nothing in his game to convince me that he’s worth having around. And the fact that he’s probably available for the MLE when you look at this raw stats sort of enforces that point for me.
One of my least favorite players for this organization at this time.
Absolutely reasonable perspective.
I’d be happy offering the full MLE (9.5M/yr) in a one or two year deal. Anything more, which I’m not even sure we could afford, should be a hard pass.
Whiteside does have some impact numbers, as I check.
id still rather start Holmes though, and Len did a good job for us
Yeah it’s a no for me on Whiteside. I hope that rumor is a McNair head-fake to sign Wood. The attitude isn’t worth it, as Rob alluded to above.
Mentioned in another thread: if we’re signing former Kings, can we make it Isaiah Thomas? Make the Kings Fun Again 😉
I guess this means no Bogi to the Lakers.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1329929604472172546
Use that cap space!
I really do hope he can make a comeback.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1329932030168211458
I don’t want Cuz back, but for the right price he could help a team.
The back of my mind is saying, “The culture here is changing and maybe he has matured and learned.”
The front of my mind wishes him the best elsewhere in the league.
My mind’s telling me no…
But my body, my body’s telling me
HELL NO!!!
The divorce left both Kings and Boogie happier, no need to pick at old wounds when there are better matches elsewhere for both sides.
I hope he doesn’t do it here.
Meyers Leonard and Mason Plumlee getting $8-9M each must be eating Boogie right now.
It makes me want to steer clear of Whiteside even more, and I was already avoiding him like a gigantic iceberg.
Is there a better way to fade for Cade than by trading Holmes and signing Whiteside??? 1 year contract, and I’m all in for Whiteside.
If the Kings have a deal in trade for Holmes, and they can get Whiteside on a cheap short deal, I’m cool with it. I just don’t want to see Whiteside, Holmes and Bagley on the same roster.
What about on the court together??? SF Bagley, PF Holmes, C Whiteside…in years past maybe, but McNair would never do that
Holy Schnikees, centers are getting paid.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1329933651757457408
So Christian Wood will be moving on somewhere. Likely with a fat contract.
My guess as well, but who has the money to pay him AND needs him. ATL is loaded in bigs, and NY is inept.
What is Detroit doing. Is Troy texting with Vlade?
Christian Wood is gonna look good with Tatum and Brown though
Can they afford him?
I would guess NY, but yeah who knows what they are doing…
$8MM/yr for Plumlee seems like a fine deal.
But with Dedmon and Okafor now on the roster as well?
Neither one of those guys is a reason not to sign Plumlee. Plumlee and Dedmon might be a reason not to sign Okafor. Hell, common sense might be a reason not to sign Okafor.
Don’t forget Isaiah Stewart. I’m assuming they don’t care much about roster construction at the moment. They’re just looking for what they think are good values.
This makes alot more sense to me than anything.
Inexplicable with the way they operated via draft. I guess its a down market and they might think him tradable but decline and cheaper bigs are more than possible. A strange one by Weaver.
I have no idea what Detroit is doing.
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1329938585043267584
Tanking?
So they now have Dedmon, Okafor, Plumlee and are going to let Maker and Wood walk?
Maker’s a UFA, I think. I think Wood may be, too?
I thought I read they didn’t extend the QO? I could be wrong.
They did not offer the QO
LOL!
https://twitter.com/Sam_Vecenie/status/1329941446401560577
Is Vecenie at all known for contract valuation?
No, but he opines like this all the time. FWIW.
All the Centers!!!
Everyone: “The league has shifted to a perimeter, playmaking league.”
NBA GM’s: “LET’S SIGN ALL THE PAINT ORIENTED CENTERS!!!”
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1329941998019764224
Yeah, but all of these guys are getting signed to MLEs or less, right?
These guys have reduced importance, but they are not 100% obsolete.
Myers Leonard got $9M. That’s crazy.
I’ll say this, Nemanja’s $7M expiring deal is going to be gold come the deadline.
How many years on Leonard’s deal?
2
Yeah, that’s such a low risk deal, and Leonard can contribute in a targeted bench role.
https://twitter.com/highkin/status/1329945250572300289?s=20
I guess he changed his mind about where he wanted to go.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1329960730511233027
BOOOOOOOOOOM!!!!
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1329942153984954370
You beat me by a few seconds!
Damn, De’Aaron, get paid!
McNair taking control. I like it.
Did you finish your work early today so you could be our Twitter notifier, or are you taking the day off? 😉
This was inevitable so why wait and offer room for noise. Well done Fox, and McNair for granting assurance for himself moving forward. Now the real clock for team construction begins.
Wonder where the twitter noise came from about trades centering on Fox? Not from the Kings apparently
Kings, De’Aaron Fox Agree To Five-Year Max Extension
This is good
FOX MAX CONTRAAAAAAAAACT!!!
We have our future!!!
https://twitter.com/TyHaliburton22/status/1329943819916349442?s=20
I just want to say no matter how this Bogi thing plays out it is a tough spot for McNair and a complete indictment on the Vlade era. The lack of deciding Buddy or Bogi last summer was going to be an issue. The extension for Buddy was hasty and overmarket, especially compared to the current rates. His plan was to deal with this issue later. Now we are there and the situation in both Buddy being tradeable, if a Bogi retention is wise no matter the number etc are convoluted and frankly damage control in asset retention more than anything else.
Removed as assets, in reality neither should likely be on this team considering timeline. Especially both. Yes things changed but this present problem was foreseeable for literally years and should have been handled much better to this point. Now the answers are confusing and only lead to more questions.
https://twitter.com/JayMarZZ/status/1329944380245852162?s=20
So if the Jazz give 4/$52m to Jordan Clarkson, where does that but Bogi’s value?
I think he’s going to get 17 per if not a hair more. I think his agent has to have knowledge of an offer around that based on what the Bucks deal was likely going to be.
Favors 3/$30 returning to the Jazz. Hella big men getting paid early
The reverse psychology of free agency: every team usually ends up bargain bin hunting for bigs at the end of FA, so this time everyone’s getting their bigs first.
And there goes Harry.
https://twitter.com/CarmichaelDave/status/1329946751353061376
F Vlade and Peaches
I think that Vlade turning down the option was something ignored in all of this: He thought Harry had star potential. And yet turned down the option. I’m not saying it’s right.
But I doubt this blows up in the Kings face either. Harry hasn’t shown enough on the court as of now.
Uniscorned.
Last I saw he was ecstatic to leave.
Dwight Howards to the 76’ers? Huh. I guess he knows Morley, but still caught me by surprise.
Danilo Gallinari just signed with Atl. 3 years 61.5 million. This FA is gonna go fast……
Now Christian Wood is signing in Houston for 3 years 27 million….
So Atlanta is going all in this year with Danilo and bobo? Wow almost 40 mill for u solid but mediocre dudes where does that get them? 9th seed territory? 2020 keeps getting weirder and weirder
Has Bogi’s deal been affirmed? I just heard the pre 3pm rumor. Has he signed an offer sheet?
No on Bogi. But apparently Wood isn’t a lock to Houston anymore……
That’s a freaking steal for Wood. Myers Leonard signed for about the same.
https://twitter.com/TheFrankIsola/status/1329966272688381952
LOL, what is happening?
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1329968844702674944
I’d love it if we kept Alex Len
Gallo just got 3 yrs 61.5 Million from Atlanta,
Whoa, this is big if true.
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1329977779434053632
Fuck the Lakers
It seems like the
Just how bad the contract of Dedmon is …………after signed a 3 yrs contract by Divac, and now being waived……
Just waste of money and a bad move by Divac
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