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2021 NBA Draft Profile: Alperen Şengün

The 18-year-old Turkish league MVP is an upside swing big centered around his more traditional back-to-the-basket game.

We continue to see more and more players emerge in the NBA that break the mold of the typical “modern” big man. Post-ups are a rarity while guards and wings fill the primary offensive centerpiece role on 90% of rosters. The 2021 NBA MVP, Nikola Jokic, is the most obvious outlier with his elite vision paired with otherworldly creativeness and touch at 6’11”. There are a handful of other European bigs who warrant post-up touches in a league where that play type seems foreign, and Alperen Sengun (pronounced "shen-GOON") hopes to follow in the fundamentally exceptional footsteps of Domantas Sabonis, Jonas Valancuinas, Jusuf Nurkic, and Nikola Vucevic. 

Sengun, who Sam Vecenie lists at 6’9”, is allegedly an inch or two shorter than typical all-star caliber bigs in the NBA who are frequently drawing doubles with their back to the basket - which is cause for concern. Outlier footwork, touch, vision, and patience are promising workarounds that could negate his physical shortcomings, skills that are parallel to some of the aforementioned players. Sengun thrived in the post for Besiktas and undoubtedly warranted those possessions with eye-popping averages and efficiencies.

Throughout 29 games in the Turkish Super League, Sengun averaged 19.2 points, 9.4 rebounds, and 2.5 assists while shooting 64.6 percent from the field, 19.0 percent from three, and 81.2 percent from the free-throw line. Contextualizing all of those numbers is crucial, and let’s start with the absurd 64.6 percent from the field while being the primary option. Only Robert Williams III, Rudy Gobert, Mitchell Robinson, and Ivica Zubac shot a higher field goal percentage last season than Alperen Sengun - and they are all labeled as offensive role players. Sure, the NBA is a far supreme league to the BSL, but the Turkish league is still often referred to as the third-best league in the world and Alperen Sengun won MVP at just 18-years-old. Did I forget to mention that?

His production was as undeniable as his advanced footwork and touch (with either hand) around the basket. Each foot can function as his pivot, as he utilizes and combines step-throughs, drop steps, and spins to create opportunities. He pushes his body into the defenders while extending his arm to get off some goofy Jokic-esque finishes. As is preached so often, he is often seen fighting for ideal positioning before the catch, and rarely seemed flustered by opposing contact or pressure.

Friendly reminder that 64.6 percent of his shots went in, and these were typical looks. His dominance in this league is apparent from the above clips, physically overwhelming some opposition while tormenting others with quick footwork and unpredictable angles. The real question revolves around the post-up efficiency translating for Sengun against NBA centers, and it starts with his size at 6’9”. While the 18-year-old MVP seemingly possesses enough functional strength to bang down low with most, it’s uncertain how he will be affected by superior length and size. Being covered by seven-footers is going to be an adjustment for Sengun.

As stated, the BSL is certainly nothing to scoff at, but rewatch the above clips and judge for yourself the difference between the players he is posting up there as opposed to NBA talents. Sengun doesn’t need to be able to post up the Rudy Gobert’s and Joel Embiid’s of the world, but for him to reach his true offensive ceiling his post-game will need to be highly effective against a large percentage of opposing bigs. Maintaining enough of a threat level to draw double teams would massively unlock Sengun’s impressive passing ability. This skill is what draws out the often-referenced Domantas Sabonis comparisons.

 

Look at this beauty. All five opposing defenders are keyed in on Sengun as he backs his man down. As defenders from the nearby corner and top of the three sink in, Sengun rises off the floor while making eye contact with the shooter at the top. Yet, to the surprise of everyone, especially number five in blue, the Turkish big man whips a no-look skip pass on the money to the weakside corner for an open three that sadly misses short. Besiktas games were filled with these beautiful dimes from Sengun, don’t let the 2.5 assists per game number fool you into thinking otherwise. Advanced reads display Sengun’s high level of offensive understanding and ability to be thinking two steps ahead at just 18-years-old - and they’re pretty fun to watch.

 

Reaching all-star status would likely require Sengun’s post-up game translating, but there are minimal concerns with other elements of his offense being impactful at an NBA caliber regardless. With his willingness to screen, powerful motor, passing ability, and impressive understanding of opposing defensive rotations there should be little concern in the MVP being a positive impact player on offense.

Here is a great example. Sengun is a focal point for the defense in the pick-and-roll (for reasons that will be mentioned) and makes a great read on the short roll to hit the open man in the corner as the defense overhelps due to his threat. As his teammate attacks the closeout, Sengun patiently waits at the nail for his defender to shift his focus to the ball handler before he slips to the basket for an easy dunk.

Timing as a roll man is a skill in itself, maintaining position in a passing lane as the ball handler moves is key. Sengun clearly grasps this concept well and his impact as a roll man to the basket is obvious. The versatility to make quick decisions out of the short roll, roll at appropriate speeds, finish efficiently at the rim, and be a threat on the offensive glass is an ideal combination for upside in the pick-and-roll. Sengun also has exceptional hands and some surprising bounce to him when he elevates off two feet - and he certainly isn’t afraid to try and stuff it home on someone’s head.

 

It’s fairly simple to see how Alperen Sengun could be a part of a deadly pick-and-roll with someone like Tyrese Haliburton as his partner. In the context of a ball-handler who prefers to roll to the rim (such as De’Aaron Fox) and general spacing, shooting is practically a necessity. While Sengun only converted 19 percent of his 21 total threes during his time in the BSL, his touch and 81.2 free throw percentage on high volume (6.2 FGA) are promising indicators. Personally, I see no issues with his form although I am far from a shot doctor. While it’s not a shot he is getting off particularly fast, I think he projects to be at least respected by opposing defenses from downtown off the catch although nothing is guaranteed. 

 

Most importantly, his free throw routine is certain to catch the eye of fans. After receiving the ball from the referee Sengun takes a deep breath in before proceeding to bring the ball up to his face and whisper sweet nothings to it for about four seconds. I can only imagine all the memes that could come from this if he becomes a high-caliber player in the league.

 

One near guarantee is his offensive rebounding effort, tallying 3.8 per game this last season was good for the highest rate in the league. It’s clear Sengun has no issues playing through contact and is willing to do the dirty work before softly draining a putback or find the open shooter. Additionally, effectively running the floor is borderline essential for a big and Sengun has no struggles in that field, he actually amplifies his team’s ability to run in transition with supreme outlet passes.

Aside from the post-ups, the one other skill I have questions about it’s effectiveness at the next level is his handle. On rare occasions, Sengun flashed some dribble moves and confidence that were intriguing. I think it will be enough for sporadic moments, but who knows how successful he will be attacking closeouts when asked to space the floor. For now, the minimal handle could be utilized in dribble hand-offs or open court situations.

 

If Alperen Sengun is proven unable to post-up NBA centers at a high level, he still projects to be a highly impactful offensive player. I think of Al Horford on the offensive end, good at everything but not elite at anything which is a useful offensive cog. There is potential for that elite skill becoming the aforementioned post-up, but adjusting to new length and strength at his size may prove to be puzzling. But would Al Horford have held much value in the league if he wasn’t also a high-impact defender?

That offensive potential is the reason anyone is high on Alperen Sengun, and it’s the grounds for why he was the BSL MVP at 18-years-old. Hesitance arrives from most when they dive into his defensive film, which is particularly concerning when projecting Sengun as a center.

The Center is the most valuable position in the league on the defensive side of the floor. The worst defenses in the league often are rostering and/or starting poor defensive centers - even if they are blamed too often, centers are the position most capable of cleaning up other’s mistakes. If other core members of the roster are poor or even below-average defenders, center is the position to then prioritize defense if you want any chance of sniffing top-10 in defensive rating. To survive as a long-term center in the NBA, you must be able to either defend the rim or move your feet well on the perimeter and have at least one effective pick-and-roll defense.

At the moment, Sengun checks one of the two necessary boxes. He showed an ability to protect the rim from the weak side but regularly struggled when directly involved in the action and has no currently positive pick-and-roll coverages he is capable of consistently executing. Centers with notable offensive contributions often become net negatives (this is most common in a playoff setting) when they can be attacked relentlessly on the defensive side of the ball - think Montrezl Harrell, Enes Kanter, or Thomas Bryant.

Sengun’s footspeed in space is, uh, not good. He is frequently caught flat-footed by ball handlers and once they blow by him, his limited athletic tools leave little chance for recovery despite his noble effort. Perimeter players, and potentially even the most average wings, are going to have their eyes light up if Alperen Sengun is ever switched onto them. Regular pick-and-roll players will be able to abuse the Turkish big man early in his career with little resistance. In drop coverage, Sengun is notably slow to change directions and often caught in no man’s land not affecting the ball handler nor denying the pass to the roll man.

Opposing teams relentlessly attacked Sengun with success. Here you can see Sengun containing the first curl with the help of his teammates, once that action is denied it swings into a traditional pick and roll. Sengun strongly plants his lead (right) foot as he attempts to stay in front of the ball handler, a mistake that he makes far too often and leaves him in the dust. As number zero goes for a wide-open mid-range jumper, Sengun makes minimal opportunity to contest while still conceding an easy passing lane to the roll man for a dunk. 

 

While Sengun’s teammate on the weakside should have been in the paint to stop the dunk, the MVP still applied zero pressure to the ball handler and was easily manipulated. Applying very minimal resistance to opposing offenses and often falling for fakes made Sengun an easy target throughout this past season in Turkey.

 

His footspeed and hips really scare me, in a way similar to Enes Kanter and Thomas Bryant.  While there were some promising moments when involved in the action, they were few and far to come by and often followed by missed opportunities earlier in the possession that NBA talent is more likely to capitalize on. 

Here, Sengun executes a very hesitant hedge or double, it’s hard to tell because he seems to not commit to one decision, and takes a moment after the ball swings before realizing that his big man is now left alone in the paint. If Mr. Pink Shoes would have been more accurate with his pass, that’s an easy two points due to the poor recovery time. Sengun does remain with the play and displays good timing with his block on the small guard.

 

The following defensive possession is a prime example of Sengun residing in no man’s land but getting bailed out because the lob was poorly thrown or possibly to the wrong personnel. This sort of hesitancy on the defensive end is going to allow opposing pick-and-roll ball handlers to pick him apart whenever they choose.

 

It’s difficult to execute against NBA rosters, but if Alperen Sengun is allowed on one sole aspect of defense then he has shown the ability to be effective. When not directly involved in the action, he displayed a proper knowledge of when to help and moments of discipline to stay vertical. As evident by his offensive game, he is an extremely intelligent player with a good understanding of the game and defensive rotations.

The issue is finding out how to keep him out of the opposing team’s offensive actions. If you attempt to hide him on any other player than the center, they will likely have the ability to blow by him or the opposing team could simply begin screening with whoever Sengun is matched up against. Being effectively attacked in the pick-and-roll over and over is a quick ticket to the bench in the NBA, and Sengun is in real danger of that outcome. 

Developing the nuances of drop coverage is within the range of possibilities for Sengun, and borderline a necessity. Hiding big men of this style on the defensive end of the floor requires roster construction with them in mind as we have seen with Sabonis in Indiana or Vucevic in Orlando.

Myles Turner is an elite shot-blocker who handles the bulk of pick-and-roll coverages and cleans up for Sabonis when he is blown by on the perimeter as the Pacers attempt to hide him. The Orlando Magic were only competent on defense with Vucevic as their centerpiece for so long because they surrounded him with top-end perimeter defenders in Jonathan Isaac and Aaron Gordon. If a team’s core already consists of merely average to negative defenders and high usage offensive players, then selecting Sengun may be punting their opportunity to have a top-10 defense in the league barring outlier progression. 

Sengun is going to be barbeque chicken his first year-plus in the NBA. Guards and wings that possess even average handle or footspeed would be smart to attack him often. It would not surprise me if jumping from unplayable to below average in pick-and-roll coverages is a key plot in Sengun’s early years of development.

His offensive game is clearly more fine-tuned and ready to contribute from an early point, as evident in him being awarded the MVP of the BSL while averaging 18.6 points on an absurd 62.4 percent from the field. It seems likely that Sengun will be a high-level roll man in the league as a passer and finisher, be able to abuse mismatches, run the floor in transition, and hit shooter/cutters from the elbows in dribble hand-off situations. His distance shooting is still in question, but the indicators are promising enough that I would bet on him eventually being respected from there. That is the base for a highly impactful offensive center in today’s NBA, but not a lottery talent.

An elite role-playing offensive center with just average defense? That’s pretty close to a late lottery level return on a pick, but that’s not close to where Sengun’s defense is currently at. His offense will need to be good enough to counteract his deficiencies on the defensive end. 

Meaning Sengun being a successful lottery pick requires his highly efficient post-up game translating at 6’9” against NBA talent with far superior strength and length than what he has been accustomed to in the BSL. With his display of supreme touch, elite footwork, and patience that is certainly a possible outcome, but far from a guarantee. Otherwise, how valuable is an offensive connector that is actively costing you points on the other end? While I understand the idea of Alperen Sengun having a decent floor, I push back on how valuable the floor of a backup center in today’s NBA truly is. 

If Alperen Sengun does not significantly progress on the defensive end and his post-up game is proven ineffective at the NBA level, then projects to be nothing more than a regular-season backup center who gets played off the floor in the postseason. Those types of players in today’s NBA are very rarely paid more than $10-million annually. Lower end outcomes on wing upside swings tend to be more fruitful due to the positional supply and demand in the modern game.

Yet, if Alperen Sengun’s post-up capabilities prove to be translatable, then he is worthy of attempting to build a capable defense around to cover his flaws there and treat him as an offensive hub. This would require your other core pieces to be positives on the defensive side of the ball as well.

Everyone’s evaluation variance will likely revolve around how much you buy that lone post-up skill translating to the next level. If it does, we could be talking about the next “how did x amount of teams pass on him” All-Star European big man. But if not, we could very well be looking at a backup offensive center with no elite skill who is regularly attacked on defense. He’s a swing for the fences playing a position with a fine line between being highly valuable or being replaceable.

 

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OG_Aggie
July 15, 2021 2:11 pm

He might still be growing?

ElRonToro
July 15, 2021 4:41 pm
Reply to  OG_Aggie

A point I made on Twitter today was that David Robinson was 6’6” tall when he was 18 ( which is why he was eligible to go to the Naval Academy). For giggles how much does this evaluation change if he ends up 7’ ?

Want2win
July 16, 2021 7:35 am
Reply to  OG_Aggie

I’m 52 and grew 2 inches last year… of course it was my waist that grew…but damnt I grew!

MaybeNextYear
July 15, 2021 2:16 pm

On his pod today, Vecenie mentioned he’s been hearing that Sengun is closer to 6’10-6’11. He left the number as is only because there’s no official measurement.

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WizsSox
July 15, 2021 3:37 pm
Reply to  MaybeNextYear

Yeah I think the height isn’t as huge a deal as we tend to think and what we collectively believe a center size should be. If he is 6’9″ or 6’10” I think that’s fine, assuming non T-rex wingspan. Demarcus was 6’9.5″ at the combine. Horford is listed as 6’9″ 240. Doesn’t feel undersized in most matchups. Lots of centers draft measurements are in the 6’9″-6’10” range. Of course wingspan plays a factor too.

He doesn’t lack bulk which I think would make the size more of a concern if he weighed 220 or something. Whiteside always seems huge on the court and in that picture he doesn’t dwarf Sengun anymore than I think he would many other centers in the league.

If Monte believes he won’t be a total defensive liability for his entire career, then I think he is worth the gamble.

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RikSmits
July 15, 2021 9:38 pm
Reply to  MaybeNextYear

He’s the Buddy Hield of height.

RAP87
July 15, 2021 2:22 pm

Alperen Sengun! The more I like him as a prospect, the more I’m convinced Monte wouldn’t draft him if we stayed at 9. My gut says his prioritizing either a guard or a wing with the 9th pick (assuming we keep the pick).

andy_sims
July 15, 2021 3:28 pm
Reply to  RAP87

Unless someone falls unexpectedly to nine, and is clearly the best player available, I can’t think of any reason why McNair would prioritize picking another guard.

jwalker1395
July 15, 2021 6:24 pm
Reply to  RAP87

That photo has really moved my opinion. I didn’t know he was simply that big. I figured he was gonna maybe run into a different size of athlete with the giants of the NBA but he looks like he’ll hold his own against anybody. I’m starting to believe the defensive concerns may be overstated since he really wasn’t even a bad defender in Turkey.

RAP87
July 16, 2021 9:56 am
Reply to  jwalker1395

TBH I don’t really no where its coming from that the perception is he’s a bad defender. I mean he’s not a lock down defender by any means but by watching film and videos, he does know how to position himself playing defense and looks like a guy who has a high IQ.

I’ve been high on Sengun from the beginning and I think he would be a good fit with Fox and Haliburton. Hoping Monte would draft him at #9.

July 15, 2021 2:38 pm

I’ll take Sengun over an average 3 and team D player like Wagner!

Dougscott
July 15, 2021 3:11 pm

And you know he’s average, how?

July 15, 2021 5:28 pm
Reply to  Dougscott

Wagner is a decent three point shooter, but he has never proven to be elite. He’s more of a 2.35 & D guy.

WizsSox
July 15, 2021 6:49 pm

I really don’t get making the sweeping projections on shooting based on 200 3pt attempts by an 18/19 year old. I mean if he literally had made 3 more shots this year he would have been a 37% shooter and we would be praising him as a solid shooter. Buddy Hield shot 24% as a freshmen…Klay Thompson shot only 36% as a young sophomore like Franz.

Franz might suck and maybe he can’t be a good shooter in the NBA. But there is not much in the basic data and eyeball test that would indicate he can’t be a good shooter.

3-4 % over a 10 year career, probably a reasonable difference in quality of shooter. 3-4% over 30 games means really nothing.

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Bryant
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July 15, 2021 6:56 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

There is also a track record of Franz’s shooting ability outside of Michigan. He played in the top German league for multiple seasons and in his last year shot 38% on 50 3PA and 88% on FTs. I’m absolutely fine with Franz’ shooting trajectory for his age.

July 15, 2021 7:46 pm
Reply to  Bryant

Shooting stats outside of Michigan are fair game. In college, Franz doesn’t stand out as a Mikal-level shooter. Mikal jumped from 30 to 40% in his sophomore year on similar volume to Franz (3-4 shots per game). That’s what I had in mind. Conversely, I find Moody’s stats, nearly 36% on nearly twice the volume, as a freshman and the focus of a talented SEC offense, to be impressive. If Franz is shooting 36-38% on five+ shots per game internationally as a teenager, well, shit, I may be wrong!

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WizsSox
July 16, 2021 9:24 am

Fun facts.

Moody took eight 3’s per 100 possessions. Wagner took 9.2 per 100 possessions as a freshmen and 6.8 as a sophomore for an average of…eight.

Moody averaged 19 shots per 100 and Wagner averaged 17.3.
Moody 2.5 assts per 100, Wagner 5.5.

I like Moody more personally, but saying Moody had this huge burden and making it seem like Wagner was some stiff just standing in the corner and not part of the playmaking and scoring of the offense on a good college team, isn’t really accurate.

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eddie41
July 16, 2021 9:24 am
Reply to  Bryant

for the sake of counter-argument, Mario Hezonja shot 38-40% for two solid years in Spain before getting stifled in the nba.

July 16, 2021 4:13 am
Reply to  WizsSox

For the record, Klay shot 41% on 5 attempts per game. As a freshman. Buddy shot bricks as a freshman (24%), but jumped to 38.6% on SEVEN shots per game as a sophomore.

Franz in College – NOT THE SAME AS MIKAL/KLAY/BUDDY/MOODY
Fresh: 4.9 shots per game 31.1%
Soph: 3.6 shots per game 34.2%

Franz International (new info for me, thanks for the tip everyone)
2017-18: 11 for 30 – 36.7%
2018-19: 48 for 125 – 38.4% – BINGO

His 2018-19 stats are a legit reason for hope for believers. Considering his relatively poor college shooting percentage, low volume of shots, and not being the focus of the offense. Moody is a solid tier or two higher. Sengun too.

Whether through draft or trade, the team needs an alpha beside Fox. In the draft, go for an alpha on O or D, either is fine with me. Sengun/Bouknight on O, Garuba on D, both are fine with me. 3 &D guys? Moody has more of that bite than Wagner. No more players who blend in, please.

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WizsSox
July 16, 2021 7:46 am

That Klay freshmen season proves the problem with looking at small sample sizes. Obviously Klay great shooter. But would we think he is this elite shooter if he came out as sophomore at 36% and had declined from one year to next? Everyone would wonder if that 41% was real or not as a freshmen.

Getting excited Wagner shot 38% two years ago in Germany but being disappointed in him shooting 34% this year seems a bit silly. Do we really think he has gotten worse as a shooter in two years? Sample size just isn’t big enough. Like Bryant said, you take his FT, his 3 pt numbers are OK enough, do the eye test and project. Getting lost in a couple percent isn’t helpful in my opinion.

Personally I’m with you on Moody and Sengun and would lean that way for a bit higher ceiling. I won’t be upset with Wagner though

Last edited 19 days ago by WizsSox
July 16, 2021 9:25 am
Reply to  WizsSox

On Klay’s college shooting, his percentage went down as volume increased. That’s normal. Becoming a focal point of the offense also decreases percentage. Those two factors decrease percentage. I’m just pointing out that Wagner had low percentages while facing neither challenge.

richie88
July 15, 2021 11:15 pm

His FT% & his intl. stats show he has plenty of potential as a 3PT shooter. When his playmaking is added to his defense & shooting, I think he’s the best prospect among the guys who will probably be role players.

July 16, 2021 10:21 am
Reply to  richie88

Just about everyone agrees that Franz is worthy of a pick in the 7-10 range. I just don’t see it. I’m almost certainly wrong! I’d take Sengun.

If you want a wildly different take, Dean on Draft is always willing to fire up the hot take cannon. He has a memorable profile of Sengun (he’s also high on Franz).

Carl
July 15, 2021 2:43 pm

This draft profile is absolutely outstanding work. Excellent job, Brenden!

9sac8
July 19, 2021 2:32 am
Reply to  Brenden

Dive into Keon Johnson!

SPTSJUNKIE
July 15, 2021 2:58 pm

Fantastic write up and great use of videos. I think we are likely to 99% agree about Sengun’s strengths and weaknesses, even if we quibble about what draft tier we ultimately have him in.

One minor quibble I would have is this:

I think of Al Horford on the offensive end, good at everything but not elite at anything which is a useful offensive cog. There is potential for that elite skill becoming the aforementioned post-up, but adjusting to new length and strength at his size may prove to be puzzling. But would Al Horford have held much value in the league if he wasn’t also a high-impact defender?

Perhaps this is part of the reason I am a bit higher on Sengun at the moment. Al Horford was a near (lower end) MVP candidate at his peak, because he was so talented on offense and defense. However, if Horford was an identical offensive player, but was just a passable defensive player (i.e., not almost unplayable like Kanter or Monroe, but not the plus he has been for his career) he would still be a lottery pick.

Horford had an offensive BPM north of 2 seven years so far in his career (BPM >2 makes you a top 50 offensive player virtually any season). He’s had multiple seasons where he has averaged 15-18 points, 7+ rebound, and 3-5 assists per game with a TS% north of between 58-61%.

I think you are spot on about the defensive concerns with Sengun and that is going to be the swing skill for him. Not even can he be great, but can he be good enough that teams can’t hunt him and force him off the floor.

However, if Sengun is Horford-like on offense (with better rebounding) and averages 16-10-4 on 60% TS with 1-2 threes per game – his defense would have to be dreadful for him to be played off the court. If he can even be passable, anything close to that would be a heck of a weapon.

Now, we are already bad at D, so clearly in a perfect world, he’s not the ideal player for us to draft. But more than offense or defense, we are a team that needs talent, IQ, and better assets. If there’s a better defender in the same draft tier when we pick, I am happy to take another player. But I think Sengun has tremendous upside and we can also take him now and figure out how to better shape our roster in a couple of seasons when we are a playoff team due to our talent, but are losing in the playoffs due to our roster construction.

Bryant
Member
July 15, 2021 3:23 pm
Reply to  SPTSJUNKIE

“But I think Sengun has tremendous upside and we can also take him now and figure out how to better shape our roster in a couple of seasons when we are a playoff team due to our talent, but are losing in the playoffs due to our roster construction.”

I don’t disagree with this, but I hate kicking the defensive can down the road when there are so many positive two-way wings and forwards in this class (who are getting pretty criminally underrated in terms of high-end outcomes).

SPTSJUNKIE
July 15, 2021 3:37 pm
Reply to  Bryant

Totally understand and I think that is sort of addressed in the sentence before:

If there’s a better defender in the same draft tier when we pick, I am happy to take another player. 

I agree that I would prefer not to kick the can down the road. But I also think there are other avenues to address defense (trade, FA, etc.). Ideally, we will have an opportunity to draft a prospect who meets our defensive needs. However, the nature of the draft is that you are generally best off taking talent.

Angling for fit is how teams often get themselves into trouble (especially early in the draft), which I know you agree with from some of our past discussions. So not trying to build a strawman here.

But assuming we don’t trade up / down, I am sort of a “let the draft come to you” and take the best player person. If we draft an offensive star / semi-star and end up having a top 5 offense and bottom 10 defense, that can still get us to the playoffs and I do think we can make adjustments more easily when we have talent to trade and are a playoff team where FAs want to play here.

Bryant
Member
July 15, 2021 3:39 pm
Reply to  SPTSJUNKIE

Insightful and balanced as always, my friend.

SacReligious
July 15, 2021 5:04 pm
Reply to  Bryant

Get a room.

murraytant
July 15, 2021 5:13 pm
Reply to  Bryant

Defense is talent, scheme , coaching and desire. The Kings were lacking in some of those aspects last year. Defense is 5 guys toed together. The D may improve by removing some of the 5 guys rather than adding this one. If he is thought to be overall BPA, then take him.

eddie41
July 15, 2021 3:07 pm

Anyone have information about how or whether CoVid affected the level of play in the Turkish league? I think I read somewhere that players didn’t fly into the country. I like Sengun and have him in my top 10, but I’m curious about that topic.

Roaddog
July 15, 2021 3:23 pm

had me in the first half

andy_sims
July 15, 2021 3:26 pm

He definitely looks polished on offense. His ability to get himself into the position he wants before receiving the ball is excellent. Sengun seems like an absolute lock as a distributor, and he takes rebounding seriously. As OG-Aggie pointed out, since he’s only eighteen, he could still be growing, and others have stated that the 6’9″ figure is out of date.

Defense will definitely be a problem for all of the reasons mentioned in this excellent analysis. The question is, how much can he improve, and will his offense be good enough to justify his defense? With his skillset, that may be the case, but it’s a tougher pill to swallow if he comes to such a terrible defensive team.

jwalker1395
July 15, 2021 5:02 pm

Hassan looks about 3 clean inches taller if they were both upright so that’s a tall, lean 6’10 with a better wingspan than I estimated on tape. If he’s larger than listed he may continue growing. The sheer level of dominance he displayed in a league of grown men at age 18 when he may not even be done growing physically nor as a player? A real consideration at 9. I see him almost as a mini Jokic. Little smaller, little less long – but similarly gifted with the ball in his hands and more athletic. He’s a powerful force with his back to the basket, rebounding, and finding the open man when doubled. If he can be a decent defender – and he was in Turkey and gives effort on that end – he’s an excellent 5 for Fox and Hali to play with.

murraytant
July 15, 2021 5:09 pm
Reply to  jwalker1395

He looks taller in that picture than I would have thought.
While I do suspect the Kings are trying to trade the pick in an attempt to get to the play-in, I think taking him (or Moody) and “waiting” a year would be good. The West is tough and the 10th spot is elusive. Be patient.

rockbottom
July 16, 2021 7:57 am
Reply to  murraytant

Patient waiting for a 10th play in ! Easy to say hard to do !

murraytant
July 15, 2021 5:04 pm

I have been intrigued with him for some time. On then off and back again. I do think BPA is best strategy. The talent level drops off at 6. Then the duds pick- do they trade or not? then Orlando who might like him. If he is there at 9, I would take him over anybody projected in that range except maybe Moody. If Holmes cannot be re-signed, I would take him for sure.
He is 18 !

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July 15, 2021 5:07 pm

Dude, this analysis of Sengun is some of the best I’ve seen on this site. Bravo, Brenden. Bravo.

richie88
July 15, 2021 5:11 pm

I think Sengun will likely be good to great on offense. However, I worry about his defense & it’s why I can’t see him as the BPA at #9 (esp. on a team that struggles as much on defense as the Kings do).

SexyNapear
July 15, 2021 6:44 pm

Every pick at 9 is a total crapshoot this year. If they ain’t bringing back Richaun, this is worth the gamble if they can’t trade the pick.

WizsSox
July 15, 2021 7:01 pm

Slight thread jack…it seems to me that there may be a real possibility that Kuminga could be there at 9. If the Magic take Barnes at 5, might feel repetitive to choose another similar sized forward at 8, when they also have Issac. If OKC is not enamored with Kuminga at 6 (who knows), he doesn’t seem like an obvious choice for Golden State at 7.

It feels to me that there could be a 1 in 3 chance (butt pulled guess) he falls…I would be torn but from what I have seen I think the Kings should take that swing if presented.

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bjax1
July 15, 2021 9:08 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

Picking the higher rated player who falls for some reason. What could go wrong? Ask Ben McLemore over CJ McCollum, Thomas Robinson over Dame.

NorCalKingsFan
July 15, 2021 9:11 pm
Reply to  bjax1

Haliburton is an example of what could go right.

WizsSox
July 15, 2021 9:49 pm
Reply to  bjax1

Paul Pierce fell too. Could come up with lots of examples going both ways.

I don’t particularly care if he is higher rated or not in mocks. Just generally that I think he would be probably the biggest upside potential prospect at that stage if he fell. If the Kings I would take that swing…others will differ.

HongKongKingsFan
July 16, 2021 1:29 am
Reply to  WizsSox

If Kuminga falls, we need to grab him.
It would be another steal from McNair.

murraytant
July 17, 2021 2:04 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

While I do worry over the “guy that falls”, I think Orlando takes Barnes at 5, OKC takes Bouknight at 6, duds IMO do not want a project especially one who might get in Curry’s way, so they take Mitchell, Orlando does not want bookends so they take Moody or a center and Kings may get a choice on Kuminga.
I think Kuminga may be this years P. Williams. It is interesting that at first all these players look good then the more I look the worse they get and in the end I do end up seeing value again. and, now, Kai Jones looks good to me.

bjax1
July 15, 2021 9:12 pm

First, great write up! Second, I like Sengun and would be ok with drafting him. Third, I sincerely doubt the Kings will pick him. Look at the bigs they have signed since Monte came on. All low usage offensive centers who score on Rolls or put backs, but who are good defensively. Just my thought.

murraytant
July 17, 2021 2:06 pm
Reply to  Brenden

I second the comments on great write up. Thank you

King4life
July 15, 2021 10:26 pm

Kings fans so blessed with the amount of talented writers on staff here at the Kings Herald. This breakdown was as good as any I’ve seen on any other website.

Jman1949
July 16, 2021 10:18 am
Reply to  King4life

Meanwhile there’s another site actively looking for writers:

while me and my colleagues have tried our best to keep you all updated on the team you love, we’ve been cognizant of the fact that there’s a key element missing from this site: the fan voice.

Milkman
July 15, 2021 10:33 pm

Ceiling: Mini Pau
Floor: Scola
Worth a 9th pick.

jlandweh
July 16, 2021 12:50 am

Great write-up and definitely would appreciate more of these.

However; this prospect isn’t for me (which is ok, there’s a reason I’m not a scout). I just don’t think there is a need for a center who can’t shoot, can’t defend the rim, and can’t roll athletically on the pick and roll. His other attributes are fine-but it seems like his best skill is posting up subpar (and maybe smaller) defenders in Europe.

If he’s best available at 9, I’d rather trade the pick for someone that fits with Fox and Haliburton. A non-shooter, non-defensive Big does not.

Want2win
July 16, 2021 7:34 am

I logged in to say GREAT write up with a tone of detail! Thank You!

RikSmits
July 16, 2021 9:16 am

Has anybody been in touch with Rubenho?
I believe he lives in the area in Germany that his been hit hardest by floods. More than hundred people dead.
I hope he is okay.

TonyXypteras
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July 16, 2021 10:04 am

This was excellent. Great job Brenden. We agree on the analysis but disagree on how high he should be selected… mostly because the rest of his consensus draft tier doesn’t stand out to me.

July 16, 2021 3:03 pm

I don’t feel I do enough in-depth pre-draft research to know exactly where Sengun should go, but I’d be pumped if he were a King. High effort, smart-passing big man, this is some vintage Petrie s%^#

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