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Kings 126, Rockets 114: Taking Care of Business

De'Aaron Fox and Marvin Bagley's big nights carried the Sacramento Kings to their second straight win.

It wasn't particularly pretty, but the Sacramento Kings took care of business Friday night, beating the Houston Rockets 126 to 114.  De'Aaron Fox led the way with a game-high 27 points as well as 8 assists, 6 rebounds and 2 steals. Marvin Bagley III chipped in a season-high 26 points to go with 13 rebounds.

The Kings got off to a slow start, and were particularly abysmal offensively.  The Rockets were pushing the pace and getting to their spots at will, particularly Christian Wood, who scored 15 of his 26 points in the first quarter alone as Houston jumped out to a 40-31 lead after the first period.  It was fortunate for the Kings that on the other end, Houston had no answer for De'Aaron Fox, who also scored 15 points in the same period.

Wood picked up his third foul with 4 minutes to go in the first period and wouldn't come back in until the start of the second half.  Terence Davis came in and provided an immediate spark, scoring 9 of Sacramento's first 14 points of the period to help the Kings regain the lead.  The Rockets would end up pushing that lead back to 8 points before De'Aaron Fox came back in with 4:51 left in the half, and the Kings would go on to outscore Houston 17-5 to end the period.

The Kings came out with better defensive energy in the second half than they started the game with and were able to keep the Rockets at bay for most of the period, although they weren't able to extend the lead too much.  Buddy Hield scored a nice bucket attacking the rim to end the quarter and push Sacramento's lead to 9.

The Rockets would score first in the 4th quarter, but wouldn't score again until Jae'Sean Tate made a three-pointer with 7:31 left in the game.  By that point the Kings had extended the lead to 19 points and were firmly in control.

Of course, this being the Kings, the Rockets wouldn't go away.  Houston went on a 12-0 run of their own and cut Sacramento's lead to just 7 with 5:30 left after two made threes in a row by Eric Gordon.  Christian Wood also started to get going again and the Rockets remained within 7 with 2:05 left in the game.  On the other end, Harrison Barnes made a tough shot in the paint to put the Kings up by 9 and while Houston would get a couple chances to cut the lead down even more, Jalen Green and Eric Gordon would both miss back to back three point attempts, and the Kings would hold on to win.

There aren't many opponents you can point to and say that the Kings should be able to handle their own, but the Rockets are one of them.  The Kings will face this same Rockets squad on Sunday, and anything less than another victory would be disappointing.

Random Observations:

  • The Kings as a team had a season-high 33 assists and just 14 turnovers.  Tyrese Haliburton led the way with 12 and had just 1 turnover.  Haliburton has firmly taken the primary playmaking reins ever since De'Aaron Fox missed some time due to Covid protocols, and hasn't let up even since Fox has come back.  In his last 17 games, he's averaging 9.4 assists a game, and most of those games are with Fox as his backcourt mate.  He's still a bit too unselfish at times though, and I'd like to see him get a better sense of when he should take the ball himself.  There were a couple opportunities tonight where he had open lanes to the rim and opted out of them for a pass, and oftentimes we'll see him pass up open three-pointers to pass to another open player (who isn't nearly as good at shooting three-pointers as Tyrese is). But overall, love what I'm seeing from Tyrese in year 2.
  • Marvin Bagley had his best game in a long time. He was hustling on both ends, grabbing rebounds and showing some nice touch around the rim.  Playing like he did tonight is how he will be able to carve out a spot for himself in the league for years to come.
  • Harrison Barnes has been more aggressive in looking for his own offense the last two games and I think the fact that Sacramento won both games is correlated.  The Kings can't afford to have Barnes disappear, and as one of their better players, he needs to keep letting it fly.
  • Speaking of letting it fly, Davion Mitchell is not without confidence on the offensive end, although the execution leaves much to be desired. Mitchell missed his first 8 attempts and finished just 2-11 from the field. This was a concern coming into the season, but hopefully something he'll be able to work on. It seems like he can get whatever shot he wants with his excellent handle, but right now those shots aren't falling.
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HongKongKingsFan
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January 14, 2022 10:20 pm

Good to see them having fun during timeout….

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January 14, 2022 10:22 pm

It’s a winning streak! Woohoo.

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January 14, 2022 10:53 pm
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January 15, 2022 7:17 am
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All is well in Kings land. It just took a couple of minor tweaks.

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January 15, 2022 8:58 am
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January 14, 2022 10:47 pm

Fox trade value getting higher. Will the team take advantage?

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January 14, 2022 11:36 pm
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Fox for Westbrook confirmed

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January 14, 2022 11:33 pm

I just learned this is the Kings second straight win… I don’t know what that means.

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January 14, 2022 11:49 pm

Is this place broken? or is it the serve er?

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January 15, 2022 1:52 am
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Nah, most Kings fans like

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January 15, 2022 5:33 am
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We only care when the Kings lose.

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January 15, 2022 2:42 am
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It’s just the Rockets, no big deal.

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January 15, 2022 4:59 am

I logged in tonight just to say I’m happy for Marvin. He played a good game. I am sure it felt good to be on the floor and feel like a baller.

I’ve been as hard as anyone on MBIll, but credit where it is due.

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January 16, 2022 12:24 am

Credit? For playing a few good/putting up numbers vrs crappy opponents? I guess.

Awful low bar. Which is the Kings prob.

The lower the bar the higher we climb…Kings Motto

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January 15, 2022 7:21 am

That right there yada yada right there, I mean… Right There babble babble…(looks at replay) RIGHT THERE..

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January 15, 2022 1:15 pm

Loves to hear herself talk !

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January 15, 2022 7:50 am

Call off all the trades!

Team is coming together now!

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January 15, 2022 7:55 am
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First things first – Bags max contract please

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January 15, 2022 9:49 am
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Electro-hydraulic power?

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January 15, 2022 10:04 am
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Give him ownership of the team.

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January 15, 2022 7:53 am

TD Shimmy Haterz, where are they at?

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January 15, 2022 8:31 am
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Could someone translate this please.

TD Shimmy Haterz, where are they at?

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January 15, 2022 8:47 am
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Terence Davis was posing before he took a 3 that he ultimately missed and the pose came with a shimmy.

I’m guessing there was someone who was talking shit about it other than Kyle and Kayte who pointed out that if you do the shimmy gotta make the J, too.

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January 15, 2022 9:06 am
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Nick Young’d.

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January 15, 2022 10:22 am
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Yeah it was a bit like that.

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January 15, 2022 9:18 pm
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January 15, 2022 8:17 am

What to do about Bagley going forward is a more difficult question than one might think. He obviously has some big holes in his game but he is making strides in some areas. A 6’ 10” guy who can run the court with that kind of athleticism is not in plentiful supply.

Bagley appears to me to be working really hard and has significantly improved his on ball defense and rebounding. He still struggles with picks and team defensive concepts but overall he’s not the defensive liability he used to be. He’s been more aggressive on the boards although I still feel he needs to play with more physicality. The big question to me is what he will become offensively. He has some nice explosive moves to the basket but often has trouble finishing. The same with his post up game where he’s shows ability to create a shot but does not consistently put the ball in the basket. Another big question is what will become of his outside shooting. He looks like he can potentially become a decent set shooter with range but that aspect of his game seems to be at the same level as two seasons ago. Lastly I think Bagley has matured a lot over the past year and half and I no longer question his commitment toward getting better and being a team player.

To me if I can get another two seasons out of Bagley at no more than $10 mil a year, I would take that chance on him. It’s also really difficult to determine what Bagley can get on the free agent market. If I was an organization like the Pistons who are going nowhere soon, Bagley would be the type of player to take a chance on. What Bagley will become is a big wild card IMO and I wouldn’t be so quick to dismiss him just yet.

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January 15, 2022 8:36 am
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Bagley is a UFA and will be on another team next year. If you were his agent, would you want him to stick on a team that’s already tried to trade him, has benched him, and who you probably blame for his lack of development? The dude is 100% gone via either trade by the deadline or he walks this summer.

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January 15, 2022 9:02 am
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Bagley isn’t an UFA Adam. He probably will end up being that this summer, but as of now he could still get his QO and still be a RFA. FWIW.

We’ll see closer to the June deadline near the draft, but if he’s still on the roster there’s’ decent odds he at least gets offered the QO. I doubt he would sign it as there are plenty of incentives for teams and players to come to terms on a new contract as there are lots of restrictions with a QO.

But, yeah.

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January 15, 2022 9:35 am
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His QO is $14.8m. I don’t see it happening.

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January 15, 2022 10:05 am
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No his QO is 14.8 million if he meets starter criteria (2000 minutes or starting 41 games).

Otherwise it would be reduced to 6,023,706$ at it’s maximum amount.

It’s very likely doesn’t meet either end of the starter criteria by the time it’s all said and done. That said, the real issue with Bagley is his cap hold, not his QO.

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January 15, 2022 10:06 am
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Thanks for the cap knowledge, and I agree.

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January 15, 2022 10:10 am
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I wouldn’t put it past the Kangz to get Bagley 41 starts. He got 42 last year and he is 26 away with 40 games to go this year.

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January 15, 2022 11:11 am
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I’d be pretty surprised, if not outright shocked, if Bagley was still on the team past the deadline. So I think much of this entire conversation is moot.

That said, the QO has far more emphasis here than the actual factor that teams and players place on it. It’s purpose, really, is to make a player a RFA. That’s it. If a team wants to know what that market value of that player is, they’ll offer the QO. But many times teams pull their QO’s if A) they don’t think that player is worth the QO and B) if they think the player might sign the QO and they don’t want that player under those circumstances. Happens every year, every summer Adam. And yes there’s a monetary value on a QO, but in practice it’s almost useless given how difficult it is for a team to A) trade a player on a QO and B) for the player to leave the team and find a new one. Signing a QO essentially ties a player to that team for a season, and if that player wants out that’s the last thing a player or team wants really. There’s a reason I keep pointing out that players don’t sign QO’s, and it’s not to give my fingers typing practice.

The emphasis on the QO here is just as bad as the cap hold conversations: It’s not nearly as important as the emphasis that sometimes posters put towards them seem to think they are. And this Bagley QO hypothetical is a perfect example of that.

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January 15, 2022 10:21 am
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Good info but Bagley is going to be a RFA. The question is what will happen when the offers come in.

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January 15, 2022 11:38 am
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I think it’s a far bigger question as to whether or not Bagley gets past the deadline on the Kings roster than what type of offers he gets on the FA market this summer.

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January 15, 2022 9:37 am
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I stand corrected, thanks for the clarification. That being said, I’m nearly 100% sure the Kings are not going to offer the QO because of cost, and even if they did Bagley would not take it.

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January 15, 2022 9:50 am
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Bottom line, Bagley is very unlikely to take the next step in his game here. Team Bagley has done little to hide that they want out.

He’s likely going to be better somewhere else, or the same old Bagley here. Shrug your shoulders and cut him loose.

And 1 – His game is an odd fit in today’s NBA game, an at-the-rim player that does not bring any defense to the table. His game is best served as some low post scoring off the bench, and that does not merit the price tag for next season.

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January 15, 2022 9:59 am
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Maybe but do we really know that yet. Also Bagley’s on ball defense has greatly improved and he’s only 22. My point again, it’s not that easy of a call and the offers he gets as a RFA will be interesting. I recall being in a similar situation with WCS although somewhat different. Not that I thought WCS would break the bank but I was surprised how little interest there was in him. Let’s how these next 40 games play out. If he has performances similar to his last two games and some others, it gets interesting. If the Kings have totally given up on him, I doubt he would be getting the minutes he’s getting.

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January 15, 2022 10:04 am
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He’s in his 4th year as a pro and is averaging 10 & 8 as a starter since coming back from his most recent injury. By the way, if he can play another 12 straight games he will get to 23 in a row, which will be an all-time new consecutive game streak for him.

He’ll be better somewhere else. He’ll be the same old Bagley here. I’m very comfortable letting him go. The last thing that I want to see is Bagley being paid $15m here. Right behind that is not wanting to watch him play here on a lesser contract that team Bagley sees as insulting.

For both the Kings and Marvin Bagley, he needs to be somewhere else and on to the next chapter in his career.

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January 15, 2022 10:42 am
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I’d be very surprised if they don’t try and move on at the deadline. Very, very surprised.

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January 15, 2022 12:46 pm
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It could be argued that Bagley is currently in the middle of his next step.

Keeping or losing Bagley is going to be entirely dependent on price, assuming he’s not dealt. I’d not have a problem keeping him for something in the $7-$9mil range, but I could see him being offered more elsewhere.

He’s playing the way we’ve hoped to see since he arrived, which has been pretty damned good. He seems like a new player out there.

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January 15, 2022 2:29 pm
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He’s playing the way we’ve hoped to see since he arrived, which has been pretty damned good. He seems like a new player out there.

Compared to the rest of the season, in January (8 games), Bagley’s minutes are up 2 per game, rebounding up by 1 per game, assists down a little from terrible (4 assists in 200 minutes), offensive efficiency way down, offensive rating way down, usage up, defensive rating about the same.

Not much difference from a statistical perspective, except that his defense is still really bad, and his high usage and non-existent passing hurt the team on offense. He did have one good offensive game.

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January 16, 2022 12:36 am
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Yes. No more Bagely. Enough of this shit with keeping Bags and this team as is and hoping they magically form into a champion.

Ridiculously small positive movement by Bags is pointed out to show his improvement and possible direction. A joke.

And I haven’t even mentioned his inevitable injuries.

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January 15, 2022 9:38 am
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That’s correct but my point is Bagley is a tough guy to figure out and if he walks for nothing in return, he could makes us look foolish again. Unless I can get something unexpected on the trade market I make the QO which is a little more than $14 and who knows if he signs it. I think it’s all a long shot at this point but what to do is not that easy of a decision IMO.

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January 15, 2022 9:47 am
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Amending – I would not make the QO but would consider matching offers in the $10 mil range.

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January 15, 2022 10:07 am
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Still too pricey for my liking. Holmes is making around $10 this year and up to $12M per the next few years and he does everything Bagley does, only much better. He’s closter to a vet’s minimum at this point.

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January 15, 2022 10:10 am
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I think that it is more environment than $$$, but Nate’s point about the cap hold is tangible. My guess is that he would like to be out of here, and the Kings should not offer over market to change his mind.

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January 15, 2022 10:11 am
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idk – I never wanted to sign Holmes for what he got and really do we really feel his loss right now. I’d rather have the opportunity money and not have signed Holmes.

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January 15, 2022 9:06 pm
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Holmes doesn’t stretch the floor, and we’re far enough into this relationship where he absolutely needs to. His free throw numbers suggest he should manage at least league-average, and though he’s great at the pick & roll, he needs to provide spacing. Beyond this season, he’s most likely going to be playing along DJones & Queta, and while the former shows promise as a stretch big, I’m not holding my breath about the big rookie. Gentry should fine Holmes for any game where he doesn’t take three 3FGA.

So much time missed on his big new contract, and no accusations of being soft. Have we accepted that it’s okay for players to miss time over injuries incurred during games?

Radical stuff for Kings’ fans!

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January 15, 2022 9:48 am
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As foolish as we have looked with picking him and the previous 3 seasons, this is negligible.

He’s not worth the QO, and I can’t see him stay here of his own free will.

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January 15, 2022 9:50 am
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And what would you do if he plays out the rest of the season similar to his performance the last two games.

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January 15, 2022 9:53 am
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I’m going to go out on a limb and say that this will not be an issue. This has been the Bagley tease for the past four seasons. And honestly, he has not been playing like a guy that deserves a $15m contract. He has – for the past two games – played like a borderline MLE player.

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January 15, 2022 10:04 am
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I wouldn’t pay him $15m. He hasn’t been able to stay healthy so again I’m saying he is a big wild card and nothing would surprise me. I think he would be a reasonable gamble/flyer for a team like Detroit.

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January 15, 2022 10:06 am
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Yeah, that’s what I see. Bagley gets a one year prove it deal with a rebuilding team that has the promise of minutes.

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January 15, 2022 10:15 am
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Here’s the thing about Bagley that is possible: He could be S&T’d this summer if there’s no trade market and the team isn’t ready to move on. It’s very rare to be able to S&T a young player like Bagley and not trigger BYC in the process. (BYC’s simple definition is the trade value is half of the actual contract for the trading team. It matters a lot in S&T’s. It was an issue when Markannen got S&T’d to the Cavs for instance.)

Bagley has a high enough salary this season, and is not likely to even come close to that on the market (7-8 million?). So if a team wants to take a 3 year 21 millino dollar flier but doesn’t really have the cap room to pull it off, they can S&T Bagley and the Kings could theoretically move on that way.

Here’s the rub (as always) with these things: You’re pretty much allowed to do so as long as you’re not needing to go over the apron to do so.

That said, I doubt the Kings and Schwartz agree to a S&T at this point given what’s been said and what’s transpired. But I just wanted to point out it’s a possibility if Bagley finishes the season with the team.

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January 15, 2022 11:53 am
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I don’t know what Marvin Bagley has inadvertently done to personally insult you, but your animosity has overwhelmed logic if you sincerely believe that 23-16 and 16-9 in the last two games is playing “like a borderline MLE player.” In fact, the Bagley of the last two games is playing like the guy the Kings thought they drafted, like a guy who can be an all star. A couple of posts earlier you also unloaded the absurdity that Bagley’s “game is best served as some low post scoring off the bench.” During the some recent games, despite averaging only 25 minutes, Bags has grabbed 12, 12, 10, 9, and 13 rebounds. So, that makes Marvin Bagley a reserve or, even at his recent best, a “borderline MLE player”? Ridiculous. The anti-Bagley hysteria has undermined the judgment of many Sacramentans. But you’re correct, at least, that he likely wants out of town. Why wouldn’t he?

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January 15, 2022 12:56 pm
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No animosity, dad. Just using the theory that macro > micro.

Anyone that wants to jump on the Bagley bandwagon is free to do so with my blessing. Me? I’m going to have to see 3 months at this level. Color me skeptical, based on the full history of Bagley’s tenure.

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January 15, 2022 2:43 pm
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Fair enough… But prudently or not, I’ve been on the Bags bandwagon since 2018. Only injuries – not lack or talent or desire – can prevent him from becoming an all star… The time clock of three months is running. We’ll see…

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January 16, 2022 12:44 am
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I’m not sure what special glasses you are looking through but I want some.

I find this idea of Bagley suddenly being good after 2 games vrs nada, crazy.

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January 15, 2022 2:38 pm
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In fact, the Bagley of the last two games is playing like the guy the Kings thought they drafted, like a guy who can be an all star.

I’m glad Bagley had a couple of good games. I hope it’s a confidence builder for him.

This month (8 games) Bagley is at 10 points, 9 rebounds and 21% usage with 4 (FOUR, not four per game) assists in 200 minutes. He’s had terrible offensive efficiency and a continued his season wide bad defensive rating. It’s not measurably better than any other month this season, even including the last two games.

But you’re correct, at least, that he likely wants out of town. Why wouldn’t he?

While I would agree that people have been jerks or worse, Bagley’s lack of performance is not the fault of the jerky fans, and I wish he and his team had the maturity to separate legitimate criticism from trolling.

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January 15, 2022 2:51 pm
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The eyeball test indicates, as some have noted on this site, that Bagley’s defensive concentration and overall dependability have improved. Though he certainly isn’t a playmaker, his teammates seem to consider him a more willing passer. In the three games this January when he’s taken 10 or more shots, he’s hit between 50 and 60 percent. He needs minutes and shots. If he gets those and doesn’t deliver over the next three months, okay, fine. Adios…

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January 15, 2022 2:56 pm
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Incidentally, nine rebounds in 25 minutes a game is damn good. And he’s had between nine and 13 rebounds in five of the last seven games.

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January 15, 2022 2:57 pm
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I wish Marvin all the success in the world. He has some skills, and if he’s correctly focused and used, he can carve out a solid career. It hasn’t happened yet and won’t happen here. Hoping he’s able to move on, as he clearly wants to do, and that he’s in a better situation next season.

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January 16, 2022 12:40 am
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You mean put up mostly empty numbers versus shitty competition?

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January 15, 2022 9:58 am
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The QO with Bagley is not the issue Dutchman. The 28 million cap hold will be what’s the issue. The QO is simply a mechanism to encourage teams and players to sign a new contract. Nothing more, nothing less. And all offering a QO to a player does is make him a RFA.

There’s a reason why so many players don’t sign their QO. It’s not worth it.

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January 15, 2022 12:43 pm
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He made us look foolish the second we drafted him. At this point, how he makes us look is irrelevant.

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January 15, 2022 9:09 pm
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I still can’t figure out how Marvin tricked VD into selecting him second overall. Santeria? Regardless, he deserves all the blame for being chosen when he was.

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January 16, 2022 12:48 am
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You look the most foolish hanging onto Bagely and hoping, despite all data, that he’ll turn into a player he almost certainly will not. He hasn’t in almost 4 years.

Not moving on from a mistake (drafting Bags) is hoping something changes is the most foolish the Kings can look.

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January 16, 2022 12:31 am
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If by difficult you mean Easy. I find the idea of keeping Bagley ridiculous. He aint turning into something other than he and has a few fatal flaws. The primary of which is bad D. Still. Always. Still can’t set a screen. Still can’t shoot for shit. Etc etc.

IE-The Kings need to get rid of the shit they have, not keep reheating. It’s so fucking annoying and why this team never gets better.

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January 15, 2022 8:38 am

Terence Davis is a very good player.

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January 15, 2022 9:39 am

For the money we are paying him I’d say he’s reasonable value.

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January 15, 2022 12:46 pm

Eh, he’s an average bench SG playing spot minutes on a 32-win team. I’d have preferred Monte not gone with the domestic violence guy to fill that oh-so-critical role, but to each their own.

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January 15, 2022 2:52 pm
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Historically, Davis is an average bench SG on a bad team, but he hasn’t even been that good so far this season. Delon Wright has been better in fewer minutes for Atlanta. You’d expect Davis to bounce back at some point. Agree on the DV.

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January 16, 2022 8:28 am
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Historically, Davis is an average bench SG on a bad team

Didn’t realize 2 years is a long enough history for this implication. But I get it, we don’t like him.

But one of those 2 years was a 53 win Toronto team that he played 1200+ minutes for. Good for 7th in total minutes on that roster.

If your next point he wasn’t as good last season, neither was Lowry or Siakam.

I get it, though, Davis sucks.

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January 16, 2022 9:40 am
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He sucks this year, and he’s been an average bench SG previously. You’re right that he could be an average bench SG on a good team. I would expect him to return to that level of play at some point.

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January 16, 2022 11:17 am
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He mostly has not been good this year. But an average SG? Last year, okay, I’ll buy that. But the previous year, his rookie year, he was above average. WS/48 of .122, 3PT% of 38.8%, 1200 total minutes, more assists than turnovers, good rebounding numbers for a wing perimeter player.

If there is anyone who would be impacted positively by a Buddy Hield trade, it’s Terence Davis.

But I get it, we don’t like him.

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January 15, 2022 1:23 pm

Than Bogi is a Hall of Famer ! Davis would be a reserve on all the leagues losing teams !

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January 15, 2022 9:12 pm
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Bogi will be a minor footnote in Atlanta’s big story about the time the came within two games of being in the finals.

Crazy how you love Bogi, who’s candy-glass fragile, but other players with game injuries? Character flaws, plain and simple.

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January 16, 2022 8:48 am
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Inconsistency be the hobgoblin of little minds Sims. To be fair, that’s the main product of the Sacramento Kangz.

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January 15, 2022 9:25 am

Fox is a force of nature when he’s got it going, but he never seems to get his teammates involved. He’s a big conundrum. Would the team be better with Sabonis or Ingram or Jaylen Brown (not Simmons)? I think yes. But there’s also the chance that he goes to a team with better talent and his skills become revelatory.

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January 15, 2022 9:53 am
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I think it is showing he might be better as an off guard, but the problem is his outside shooting.

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January 15, 2022 10:06 am
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That distinction your making is really superfluous. Call him a combo guard if you somehow need a characterization.

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January 15, 2022 11:26 am
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Can you repeat that with a British accent and a monocle please?

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January 15, 2022 10:56 am
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Last summer he worked on getting more muscle, apparently an error. What if, these next summers, he works on shooting and defensive footwork? What could he become?

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January 15, 2022 11:14 am
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Older?

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January 16, 2022 12:50 am
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Why hasn’t he done that already? How the fuck could he not target shooting until his arms fall off. And then D.

Wrong focus. Odd. Knew the putting on muscle thing was a bad idea-

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January 15, 2022 11:31 am
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I guess Fox didn’t pass at all last night or have 8 assists or pass ever to other teammates. Not once.

Its the Houston Rockets so I’m not going to call him the next anything or forthcoming or whatever, but Fox passes plenty to other teammates. What he doesn’t do very well, IMO, is set up players for easier baskets as often as a player of his caliber should.

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January 16, 2022 12:54 am
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He’s a passer like Westbrook. Fox passes if he can’t get his/is forced to. Fox looks for his shot first almost always. That’s fine. He’s a scorer more than passer.

Problem is, it doesn’t really involve your teammates, promote anything other than 1-v-1

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January 15, 2022 12:50 pm
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Interesting take after an eight-assist performance.

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January 15, 2022 9:37 am

We beat the Rockets! We’re in the 10th spot!! We’re tracking towards a 33-49 record!!!
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January 15, 2022 12:16 pm
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January 15, 2022 9:42 am

Quick, trade Bagley for Christian Wood. It totally works in the trade machine.

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January 15, 2022 9:48 am
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But it doesn’t work for the Rockets as they would be insane to do that.

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January 15, 2022 10:22 am
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I’m not sure Wood is the type of player I would want. Fox gets killed for being a bad team stats guy around here, but what the hell do y’all think Christian Wood is? He does some nice things, but how much of a difference maker is he really?

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January 15, 2022 10:25 am
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I’m not clamoring for Wood but to suggest he can be had for Bagley straight across is unrealistic to put it politely.

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