Game Recap

Cavaliers 117, Kings 103: This Defense is Offensive

The Kings allowed the Cavaliers to score 81 points in the first half and never recovered despite a late comeback attempt by the bench.

The Sacramento Kings lost for the second night in a row, this time to the Cleveland Cavaliers after allowing a season-high 81 points in the first half.

Defense was a known weakness for this Kings squad coming into this season, after posting the second-worst defensive rating in NBA history last year.  They're offseason priorities were ostensibly to shore that up, but more than a quarter of the way through the season, the same issues keep on happening.

The Cavaliers are a good, young team, but even the best teams shouldn't be able to put up 81 points in a single half.  Cleveland faced little resistance in the first two periods, putting up 36 points in the first quarter and following it up with 45 in the second to take a 29 point lead into halftime.

The Kings responded with a 10-0 run out of the break, but the Cavs were able to extend the lead back to 26 after Darius Garland found Evan Mobley for an alley-oop with 4:13 left.  Kings head coach Alvin Gentry responded by subbing out all five of his starters and bringing in a lineup of Davion Mitchell, Buddy Hield, Terence Davis, Chimezie Metu and Damian Jones.

That lineup played nearly the entire rest of the way, and for good reason.  They played hard on both ends of the court and actually managed to claw the Kings back into the game.  Mitchell put the clamps on Garland and perhaps the biggest surprise was Damian Jones, who seems to only ever be used in "Break glass in case of blowouts" but always plays hard when called upon.  Jones did well against Jarrett Allen, and his size and athleticism showed out on both ends.  With 6 minutes to go in the final quarter, Davis found Jones for a sweet dunk that was also an and-one opportunity (Jones made his Free Throw) to cut what had been a 29 point lead to just 7 with plenty of time to go.

Unfortunately for the Kings, their offense started to sputter after this point, and they weren't really able to close the lead any further.  The Kings nearly got a stop with 2:28 left with the chance to cut the lead to 6, but weren't able to get their hands on the rebound and the ball went to Ricky Rubio, who hit a big three-pointer to extend the lead to 11.  On the other end, Mitchell lost the ball dribbling around Allen and Rubio and the Cavaliers made their free throws to make it a 13 point game.  On the other end, Metu was able to get a good seal on his defender and catch an alley-oop pass from Jones in the high post, but Ricky Rubio served up the dagger immediately after, drilling a top of the key three to make it a 14 point game with just over a minute to go.

Who knows how this game might have gone had the Kings been putting up that effort the entire game, but we've seen this story many times before.  This team needs its best players to step up on BOTH ends of the court, or else we will continue to see opposing teams put up records and season-highs and the losses will continue to pile up.

The Kings have just one more game on this road trip as they'll head to Toronto on Monday before returning home.

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Inthestarz
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December 11, 2021 7:45 pm

Priorities for Fox’s low motor atrocious defense, that isnt going to get better at PG

1.Move him for value
2.If no value exists, stop playing him at the point of attack, please. He needs to be hid. Go small with two other guards and have him on the worst offensive player. Ultimately, he is going to need to bulk up and be able to play as far off the ball as possible. But he cant/wont and doesn’t have the motor, to check PGs

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December 12, 2021 12:51 am
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I defended Fox smiling after the two missed FT’s, but you would have expected him (and the rest of the starters) to come out with a vengeance and a sustained defensive effort to erase such an embarassing loss against an injury-ravaged team.

Well, that obviously didn’t happen. This tells me a lot more than him smiling, scowling or crying after the missed FT’s.

Action speaks louder than facial expressions.

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December 12, 2021 10:11 am
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i tuned it out near the end of the first half and tuned it back in after the substitutions. I was thrilled by what I saw. To a large extent—not entirely—defense is a matter of will and commitment. I never saw that from the starters. The subs had it, obviously Davion, but also Buddy who, with all his limits, was fierce. Lesson: ALL players should be on a short leash. Limit starter playing time. Expect every player to play hard when they are on the court—no exceptions!

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December 12, 2021 3:24 pm
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the action I noticed was the entire King’s bench all standing up supporting the backup players currently on the floor at the end of the 4th when they made it close. Except one player. Fox. He stayed in his seat.

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December 12, 2021 10:55 am
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I have defended fox forever, but I’ve also finally reached my limit with him. What I want to know is, is it lack of defensive effort, or bad fundamentals or both??
Because when davion guarded Garland, it was magical to watch

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December 12, 2021 11:59 am
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Lack of motor

Which is innate, just like strength is.

It causes him to have slow reaction and bad intensity, which you cant have on the ball

If he was guarding the team’s worst offensive PG/SG/SF with other guards in the game, you wouldnt have as much of a problem

Fox has done well on bigger players like Doncic and George surprisingly, his small frame on bigger players is less burdensome than his lack of motor on smaller players

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December 12, 2021 12:11 pm
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Fox has a lack of focus and effort issue. Always has. Not sure that can change. Not to mention he can’t shoot.

Fox is not turning into a badass amd this team is not a championship contender. Just fucking blow it up.

Vivek/Marina=morons

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December 13, 2021 6:49 am
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Thank you! Ive been saying this since before the season began. I wanted Davion starting and checking the likes of Garland. Look what Davion did to Garland in the 4th, chewing him up and spitting him out, these coaches dont think that might be helpful in the 1st quarter?!

The complexion of the game could be and would be completely altered with Davion assigned to the best point of attack defender. It is one of the easiest assessments to make which is why I made it.

Fox stature and defensive profile makes him better suited to guard SGs. I think there is an effort issue there, and sometimes he does not respect the opponent as much as he should, but fundamentally he has easier time with guys his size or slightly bigger.

Davion has also worked out the kinks so to speak on offense, his juke moves are working, and the mid range game is bearing fruit. Then he gets that stop and pop going he gets his confidence up to drain the three. Davion has a nice offensive repertiore, very nice!

I understand not starting him from Day One, but he has learned so much in the first 25 games, he’s ready to be promoted!

It is a JOKE to elevate Marvin to starting role before Davion, regardless of circumstances, so undeserved and so ridiculous. My opinion of the new coach is in precipitous decline. When has starting Marvin ever been a good idea? When has it ever worked?

The pretend pundits were doing back flips over Marvin recent performance. Lets just step back for a second and look at it objectively.

When Marvin was expericing his revival, did he make weak side defensive plays, did he drop dimes, find cutters, cause deflections, play the passing lanes, go to work in the post with footwork and touch and craftiness? No, no, no and no!

Part of Marvin “resurrection”, a big part, wa making the corner 3. I always say that when you break down a player, any player, you want to exclude the shooting to signicifant degree. You want to look at the quality of shots but not the accuracy, since makes and misses come and go.

So what are you left with? Marvin had a few good rebounds, better timing, and maybe did a better job keeping his man in front of him. Yawn! And he made the corner 3s, which he has missed lately, which is to expected with the nature of shooting.

So his invisibility and ineffectiveness vs the Cavs was anticipatory just like I would expect more of the same vs TOR. How do I put this succinctly? Marvin Bagley is not very good at basketball!

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McGenius needs to have deals lined up and ready to go at 12:01 AM on the 15th for Marvin and Buddy Yield. Boom and boom! Get em at outta here!

I heard on Deuce and Mo we may be invoved in a three team trade with PHI and ATL to send Buddy to PHI and obtain Matisse Thybulle with Simmons to ATL. Yes! Let’s go! Maybe PHI is targeting John Collins, that would be nice haul for them!

I do not want to see Buddy Yield or Marvin last out this month on the roster. Waiting to the trade deadline is too late.

Get Alex Len outta here too, he sucks! Damion Jones is the better player, the faster twitch athlete. If Old Man Gentry keeps playing Len over Jones, he needs to submit to cognitive testing examination, all the brain cells may not be firing properly!

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December 13, 2021 7:44 am
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I’d like to hear more about hat 3 team trade with ATL and Philly. I’m guessing Philly would want a lot more than Buddy and Collins, but keep in mind, ATL cannot trade Collins until mid-January.

One trade that does work is Simmons to ATL, Buddy, Reddish, and Hunter to Philly and Thybulle and Gallo to the Kings. I’m 100% sure that Philly would also want picks. Would a protected first from the Kings and a free and clear first from ATL get it done? Basically is Buddy, Reddish, Hunter and two picks enough for Simmons in Morey’s eyes.

By the way, that trade could happen today. No need to wait until the 15th.

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December 13, 2021 8:01 am
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There were not specifics on the details of the trade other than Simmons to ATL, Thybulle to SAC, and Buddy to ATL. Your trade is good as guess as any, and consistent with the possible scenarios that I ran, namely, we would have to take back Gallo to make the numbers work.

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December 13, 2021 8:03 am
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Oops I mean Buddy to PHI

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December 13, 2021 8:17 am
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I could see Morey having even more up his sleeve and basically making it a 4 team deal by flipping Buddy and the 2 picks to PDX for McCollum. I’d say McCollum, Hunter, and Reddish is a nice return for Simmons.

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December 13, 2021 8:56 am
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POR wil need to find a 5th team for Buddy. Uh-oh, no takers, deal off!

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December 11, 2021 7:55 pm

Fox for Simmons, please.

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December 11, 2021 8:10 pm

I have been totally against that but after last night and tonight, I would go for it. Mitchell has stopped dribbling too much and too much back and forth – so one of his flaws is self correcting. With the improvement of TD, Kings have 4 guards. So don’t trade Buddy too. Fox + Bagley for Simmonds.
Morey working on Portland but Lillard is not part of any trade. Pacers want in as well. Simmonds could play the 4 spot.
Fox has no fire. You can be “fire-less” on a good to great team but not one that needs every ounce of energy (see tonight’s second half)

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December 11, 2021 8:29 pm
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I don’t know who Simmonds is, but he’s got to be better than Fox.

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December 11, 2021 8:30 pm
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Philly does not need Fox as Maxey is younger, cheaper and much tougher !

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December 12, 2021 11:25 am
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Philly does need another ball-handling guard, though, and there aren’t great offers coming in for Simmons.

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December 11, 2021 8:58 pm

Probably a good time to buy Apple stock, too.

A fair number of us pushed to trade Fox for Simmons during the preseason. It’s a little late now.

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December 12, 2021 7:06 am

Not with the Hate

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December 11, 2021 8:05 pm

Trade season starts in just a few days, and this roster needs some serious churn.

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December 12, 2021 12:13 pm
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Probably gonna be same old shit. No trades. They really think they have what they need.

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December 11, 2021 8:12 pm

Trade the popcorn leader + most starters

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December 11, 2021 8:27 pm

Fox is at the very least very over paid and hyped ! Doubt he will ever be worth his max contract and why most teams will not be open to trade what the Kings need !

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December 11, 2021 8:32 pm
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If he can’t hit FTs and shoot 3’s at a 35% clip, he’ll never come close to being a max player. It’s like if you took John Wall, made him a worse defender and playmaker.

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December 13, 2021 8:45 am
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Fox has made 49 out of last 60 FTs, a decent sample size, for 82%.

Of course, two of the misses came at the worst possible time, in a quarter he had 14 points and 3 steals on 5-7 FGs, thereby, putting him and his team in position to win the game in the first place.

The critics like to leave out this little factoid, he never would have been at the free throw line to win the game if he did not takeover the 4th quarter in the first place.

I am not offering it up as an excuse, but a point of fact Fox likely had a mild case of PTSD, disbelief and numbness and other inhibiting emotion over what occurred, having made 8 FTs in a row, playing a marvelous game with two freebies to win the game and choke it all away, then have to play again in 24 hours.

Do you think that does not mess with your head a little, to let go and move on can be a challenge, regardless of how mentally strong you may try to be?

So when said player is not firing on all cylinders 24 hours later, I cannot fault him with as much venom and repudiation as others.

Fox easily surpassed Wall scoring effeciency relative to their first few years in the league. In his three seasons after his rookie year, Fox was 54% 56% 56% TS%. He is in the process of getting back to 56% TS% plus, after being as low as 40% TS% 10 games in.

In three seasons after his rookie year, Wall was 50% 52% 52% TS. Wall is 51.7% TS% for his whole career. Even with Fox struggles, he is at 52.3% TS%.

Fox is on his way to 56% TS%. He has been close to 60% TS% for a few weeks, about the time he got his physique and conditioning where it needed to be.

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December 11, 2021 8:29 pm

Blow it up Monte. Still time to embrace the tank.

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December 12, 2021 12:14 pm
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Exactly. But owner and Co are morons. They think they are a tweak away from a championship

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December 11, 2021 8:30 pm

Fox = Cousins 2.0

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December 11, 2021 8:33 pm
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At least Cousins was an all-star, though.

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December 12, 2021 3:27 pm
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Would Fox being named an All-Star change a single damn thing? I don’t think so.

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December 12, 2021 8:25 pm
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Also notorious for being a shit bag as a team mate

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December 12, 2021 10:57 am
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Yeah that’s really not a good comparison. Boogie had fire and superstar skills
Maybe too much fire

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December 11, 2021 8:43 pm

The loss isn’t enough, bring on the dysfunction! Locker room fight, angry twitter parent, coaches not speaking to each other, I need that shit!

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December 11, 2021 9:06 pm

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December 12, 2021 7:02 am
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Kings Fans ..
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December 11, 2021 9:25 pm

For someone whose priority in life is to be adored like a celebrity, Vivek can’t possibly be enjoying this, can he?

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December 11, 2021 10:02 pm
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I don’t think he gives a shit anymore, if he ever did. As long as he’s making money, I don’t think he cares about the product on the court.

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December 12, 2021 12:16 pm
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Agree. I don’t think he ever cared about anything but $ amd his ego.

Hell, he pushed away and went against Jerry West help. Like Vivek knows anything.

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December 12, 2021 1:25 pm
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Then why does he seemingly meddle in every player personnel decision? Knowing what we know about him, I can’t imagine he enjoys being mocked as the worst owner in professional sports for nearly a decade.

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December 13, 2021 10:42 am
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I think he’s one of those geniuses who is a genius at 1 or 2 things, and has convinced himself that makes him a genius at everything.

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December 11, 2021 9:34 pm

Burn it to the ground.

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December 11, 2021 9:43 pm

If Fox just knocks down two free throws last night, Kings are are forgiven for losing second of back to back. And the fans still think they have a chance at some shit ass play in game.

But what really gets me is that Csvs are another team that did a quick rebuild after LeBron left and now they are light years ahead of Kings.

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December 11, 2021 10:07 pm
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Exactly. They Kings ownership needs to understand that it doesn’t take close to a decade (or more) to build a competitive team.

Right after LeBron left them in 2018-19, the Cavs dropped significantly and had a record of 19-63.

4 seasons later and they are on their way back to the playoffs and are on the rise.

We aren’t Basketball Hell, we’re Basketball Purgatory–hovering just around the Play-in, too high in the standings to get a high draft pick and too low to make the playoffs.
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December 11, 2021 10:49 pm
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That’s what happens when the fans’ mantra is “we’re just happy to have a team at all”. It’s cringe worthy.

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December 12, 2021 11:52 am
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This is vivek’s doing, not the fans.

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December 12, 2021 12:19 pm
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Vivek is a piece of shit and fans could be more aggressive. Express our anger. Not show up to games. Billboard etc.

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December 12, 2021 3:31 pm
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I have been aggressively not showing up to games for awhile now. it’s not done the trick yet

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December 13, 2021 10:43 am
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Ha. Good. Need everyone/more to stop going maybe to make a dent.

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December 12, 2021 8:41 am
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Every other team in the league has gone from competitive, to rebuild, and back to competitive. EVERY OTHER TEAM.

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December 11, 2021 10:04 pm

I still can’t fathom that this tank is unintentional, but it is.

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December 11, 2021 10:17 pm
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It’s not a full tank, though. It’s a humvee, neither here nor there.

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December 12, 2021 7:44 am
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It guzzles a lot of gas though, just like our “core.”

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December 12, 2021 9:30 am
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More like a Bradley.

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December 12, 2021 8:44 am
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It’s not a tank. There are still a good 6-7 teams that are far worse than the Kings

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December 12, 2021 10:27 am
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At this rate, not for long.

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December 12, 2021 10:46 am
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A tank has to be intentional or it’s not a tank. Part of the definition.

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December 11, 2021 10:51 pm

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December 11, 2021 11:06 pm

Cleveland is a really fun team. They broke it all down and are building something interesting.

It’s remarkable how teams are able to do this while the Kings just spin their bald ass tires in the mud.

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December 12, 2021 7:59 am
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They broke what down? LeBron left. The organization didn’t rebuild because they had a choice, they rebuilt because that was the only thing they could do.

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December 12, 2021 8:35 am
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In two years they traded away Kyrie Irving (for a pick that became Sexton), traded away Dwyane Wade, Fry, IT, Jae Crowder, and Derrick Rose, among others.

They bottomed out after Bron left and could have cobbled together chases for the 8th spot but didn’t.

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December 12, 2021 8:48 am
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They also have a fairly clean cap sheet with Markannan and Allen on good deals. They’ll likely move Love, who’s actually playing quite well for them off the bench, or simply let him expire next year.

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December 12, 2021 11:13 am
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In two years they traded away Kylie Irving (for a pick that became Sexton), traded away Duane Wade, Fry, IT, Jae Crowder, and Derrick Rose, among others.

You do know some of those things happened with LeBron James on the roster, right? Like Isaiah Thomas was traded when LeBron was still in Cleveland. Dwyane Wade was traded before LeBron left, too. He was already finishing up in Miami at that point by the time LeBron had left for the Lakers.

They bottomed out after Bron left and could have cobbled together chases for the 8th spot but didn’t.

I don’t know about that. That roster the year LeBron left had over 20 guys get minutes on it. The only guys to play 2000 minutes were Collin Sexton, Cedi Osman and Jordan Clarkson.

Frankly, I think you’re just talking shit and envious of the Cavs and their young talent. I get enjoying the young talent, but if that’s the case why not just follow the Cavs then? Watch as many as games as you can?

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December 12, 2021 11:21 am
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I don’t need to follow a different team just because they are doing it correctly. I just want the Kangz to do something strategically useful for a change. McNair appears to be trying to avoid Divac level blunders by sitting on his hands.

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December 12, 2021 11:31 am
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What moves is Monte McNair supposed to make? I’m just curious what moves he’s not doing at this point. I keep seeing this.

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December 12, 2021 11:43 am
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Blow it up. Totally.
He’s too worried about the return for players of a 34 win team. The return won’t be great, but we need to rebuild this from the studs.

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December 12, 2021 11:44 am
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Fine. Blow it up. Show me the steps of this. Please. Can’t be that hard if so many people keep stating it should be the path to go.

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December 12, 2021 11:46 am
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What is your alternative?

Claiming that this team is a .500 team?
Show me the steps of THAT.

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December 12, 2021 11:48 am
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Nope. Show me how you are going to blow it up. Step by step. Show me. Don’t tell me you want it, don’t keep saying it over and over, SHOW ME HOW YOU’RE GOING TO BLOW THIS FUCKING THING UP.

Make it worthwhile for me as a fan. Show me. Show me. Show me. You know, show me?

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December 12, 2021 11:51 am
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Have a great Sunday.

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December 12, 2021 11:51 am
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That’s what I thought. Have a good Sunday as well.

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December 12, 2021 11:57 am
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Its not our job to tell a team how to blow it up.

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December 12, 2021 11:57 am
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So it is up to Kings fans to chart a path? Crowdsource!!! How about we start comparing this organization to the 29 other NBA organizations? Based on the results, how do you see this team?

The current permutation of front office has had two off seasons, two drafts, and a trade deadline. By either design or happenstance, this front office wound up walking it back this year with the same core and same head coach. And here we are.

As a fan of this team, it is not our job to solve the problem, but it is well within our right to applaud or be critical of the result. And this front office has given its fan base very little to applaud about.

Results. It’s what’s for breakfast.

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December 12, 2021 6:11 pm
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So it is up to Kings fans to chart a path? Crowdsource!!! How about we start comparing this organization to the 29 other NBA organizations? Based on the results, how do you see this team?

A mediocre team that’s underperforming.

The current permutation of front office has had two off seasons, two drafts, and a trade deadline. By either design or happenstance, this front office wound up walking it back this year with the same core and same head coach. And here we are.

Right. But I mean, isn’t using this criteria creating an expectation of failure? Isn’t the goal, if you were running things, to set up someone you hired to succeed? That formula and criteria doesn’t strike me as such.

Certainly I don’t think anyone hired to sit in the top chair of the Kings FO is in a position of control and that’s the biggest issue. I don’t care what Monte McNair says publicly, of course he’s not going to say anything that undermines ownership on the record.

As a fan of this team, it is not our job to solve the problem, but it is well within our right to applaud or be critical of the result. And this front office has given its fan base very little to applaud about.

This I agree with. Trash the results all you want. That’s your right. And it’s up to the team, not you or I, to change the narrative.

But what I think it matters is a reasonable and fair criterion much of which I almost never see here. That was the point. That’s why I asked for a breakdown of a rebuild. Show me how it’s done since it’s so easy to do. And not a single person has yet to do so. Which is incredibly revealing.

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December 12, 2021 7:11 pm
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How is it revealing that a bunch of fans are not NBA GMs? Fans that are not privy to what goes on behind closed doors, including what was offered for Barnes, Hield or Holmes at the deadline, or who made the call to retain Walton?

It’s not hard to draw a line to the Kings flushing the roster at the deadline last year and winding up with the pick that Toronto used on Scottie Barnes. Give me Barnes, whatever assets would have come back for Barnes, Hield & Holmes and a new HC. The team would likely be bottom five bad this year, increasing the odds for another prime draft pick.

There are four teams that came into this season with zero eyes on the playoffs or even the play-in: Hou, OKC, Det & Orl. The Kings, meanwhile, made no bones about their opinion that they were a playoff caliber team. And as a result, the Kings are on a very short list of the worst non-tanking teams in the league.

The organization chose a direction. Right now it looks like a very bad decision. And I don’t really give a flying fuck about how hard the job is, Monte McNair interviewed for and accepted the job, and he has been here long enough and made enough decisions to be held accountable for the results.

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December 13, 2021 9:51 am
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Thanks Rob. I cant believe this is actually a conversation that is happening.

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December 12, 2021 11:51 pm
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I am going to try and respond even though I suspect you are not really interested in my answer. I wrote all this stuff before.

And Rob wrote it probably better than me.

Unlike you I don’t feel like this is is a mediocre team that is underperforming. I think that this is a mediocre team that is playing at or near its ceiling. The last seasons under different coaches have shown that, and there is little indicatuion that this season is any different. If there is, I ask you again to explain why you think that is.

But this is of course an important part of my premise; the team as currently construed is not bringing us anywhere. So you need to stop acting as if a bit of tinkering will suddenly create a shift in the paradigm.

You need a change of plan, or more accurately, you need an actual plan.

Set clear goals, prepare a detailed and comprehensive mid-term and long-term strategy with well-defined short- mid- and longterm goals and KPI’s and based on certain principles and a clear vision. AND ACCOUNTABILITY!

This organization has been all about short-term thinking and reactionary moves. There are no identifiable goals, there is no recognizable strategy. There is no clear offensive philosophy, defensive identity, nothing. They zigged, zagged and zigged again, each time tripping over themselves.

You build a plan, and you identify what kind of coach and players you need to execute that plan. You create extansive psychological profiles of what you want and need in players. And you stick with the plan for as long as you think it takes to reach the identified goals, or you make a change if KPI’s are not reached for a certain period of time.

You have to be, for a large part, analytical and methodical in your approach. You also need a certain amount of flexibility, because certain factors can influence a plan (like the new defensive rule changes), but even then you amend the plan methodically.

You sell all the players that don’t fit the plan (most of them) and accept that the return on those players likely won’t be great. Not strange, because they are not performing on par with the contracts you handed out (that includes Monte’s signing of Fox). Regarding the players that will give a better return (Haliburton, Holmes), you have to identify if they fit your plan and psycholocal profile or not.

Aside from the assets you acquire, you create a situation where for two seasons you have the added value of a high draft pick and the time to shape your team’s identity on the court, create accountability and build your vision without having to worry about wins. YOU BUILD YOUR FOUNDATION and get draft picks in the process.

Of course it requires a decent plan, patiemce, good talent evaluation and some luck, as does everything in the NBA. Can players get hurt (Zion) or can building around a player fail (Blazers) etc.? Yes, it can. But it also can work.

One thing I know for sure; not having a plan and throwing shit against the wall demands a tremendous amount of luck and usually doesn’t work.

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December 13, 2021 6:08 am
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Sheeple of Sacramento. This is the plan

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December 13, 2021 7:56 am
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…not having a plan and throwing shit against the wall…

…brings us to where this franchise is at, 8 years into Vivek’s tenure.

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December 15, 2021 1:45 pm
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I don’t have an issue with anything you said here.

I am going to try and respond even though I suspect you are not really interested in my answer. I wrote all this stuff before.

Sure, I’ve read all this kind of stuff before. And while you really didn’t answer my question, I didn’t expect you would (or really could– there’s so much information none of us have access to).

I think the right path is allowing your basketball people in charge to run things their way. If it’s not Monte McNair, fine, then it’s not him. But if you put a bunch of conditions on how to run the team, it’s not McNair’s team. It’s a mish mash hodgepodge group of players playing for themselves.

They need to break this roster apart, IMO, but they need to keep Fox, Haliburton and MItchell. Keeping Holmes and getting quality backup minutes would be good, too.

You need a starter, preferably an All Star one, that pairs with De’Aaron Fox and forces team to defend you differently on the offensive end. Yes, there’s also more effort and fox’s (better known as giving a fuck about your job in the real world) given defensively, but the primary problem I see with this team is offensive. They just don’t really have a 5 man unit they can rely on consistently to get them points. There’s no identity offensively for an offensive team. Bit of a problem, yeah?

What this comes down to is difference of opinion on what the problems really are and what the path forward is. I’m not interested in a rebuild, and I’m not especially interested in watching this team being schizophrenic either.

Guess we’ll see where this team goes, but if it’s stay the course with this roster I don’t see that working. There’s too many chemistry issues or continuity issues (it’s something in that area) along with talent issues (Haliburton not playing as well as he can consistently, Barnes also).

We’re going to go round and round, I don’t see either of us changing each other minds. I do appreciate your thoughts though, you’re nothing if not passionate Dunkin’ Dutchman.

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December 12, 2021 1:45 pm
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“Nope?” So what is your alternative? Show us. Show us. Show us. You know, show us?

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December 13, 2021 7:20 am
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Seriously though, I gave it a go. It’s a tad much to put as a comment in a recap post, so I made my own post at the seldom-used fan forum here at TKH. Here is a link to it.

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December 13, 2021 9:52 am
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I am getting on an airplane this weekend. I want the pilot to not crash the plane. I’m not a pilot, so I can’t tell him how to fly a plane. It is his job to know how to fly the plane.

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December 12, 2021 11:55 am
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Don’t make excuses for this ownership/FO. Many other teams have figured how to do a rebuild.

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December 12, 2021 12:30 pm
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I don’t understand how you cant see a path to blowup/rebuild.

Trade Buddy/Fox/Barnes/anyone but maybe young guys. Get a coach. There’s a billion ways.

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December 12, 2021 6:13 pm
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I don’t understand how you cant see a path to blowup/rebuild.

Trade Buddy/Fox/Barnes/anyone but maybe young guys. Get a coach. There’s a billion ways.

So explain how you do this? Do I expect every detail written down on a stormy Sunday night (in Sac anyway) in the middle of December 2021? No.

But surely you could come up with prescient and salient trades that push the franchise forward by moving on from De’Aaron Fox, Buddy Hield and Harrison Barnes. Can’t be that hard. After all, everyone is of the opinion it can be done.

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December 13, 2021 10:48 am
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Oh, got it. You are looking for names/exactly what the trades will be.

I can’t get you that. I don’t have time because I’m too busy being irritated at Vivek and his bench women-co conspirator in making sure the Kings are terrible.

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December 13, 2021 7:55 am
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You do know some of those things happened with LeBron James on the roster, right?

Yes. Most of those happened at the February 2018 deadline, when the started breaking that team down.

Frankly, I think you’re just talking shit and envious of the Cavs and their young talent.

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December 13, 2021 8:27 am
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But not the Kyrie IT swap. That happened in 2017, that’s how the Cavs got the 8th pick.

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December 12, 2021 12:01 am

I want to see more of Damian Jones. Nothing against Len. I like what Len brings. I just want to see Jones first. I just love the way he attacks the basket. Allen was doing whatever he wanted until Damian stepped in and provided some resistance

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December 12, 2021 8:05 am
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With you on this. I’ve been wondering why Damian Jones isn’t getting more burn.

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December 12, 2021 3:17 am

I still think the message needs to be sent to the starters by benching them and starting the backups.

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December 12, 2021 9:31 am
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This!!

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December 12, 2021 11:59 am
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I had hopes this would happen with Gentry, but his moves so far don’t give me much hope.

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December 12, 2021 4:05 am

I just don’t see how and wonder why Bagley is still playing in front of Metu………

Metu played better defense, better instinct of basketball, higher BBIQ, can get some lobs….

If Gentry really want to improve the defense, first of all, don’t play Bagley or just let him come off the bench for 10-15 mins………

PG: Mitchell
SG: TD / Harkless
SF: Barnes
PF: Metu
C: Jones

Who cares about the offense from the above group, at least they play defense.

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December 12, 2021 6:17 am

Harkless is awful and total wasted minutes ! A power forward that rebounds like a point guard ! Waive him and play King !

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December 12, 2021 8:20 am
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I don’t mind seeing more Louis King….

but just no more Fox/Hield/Bagley………….they played awful defense…….

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December 12, 2021 6:57 am

Mad Max!
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