The Kings showed signs of defensive life and managed to hold an opponent under 100 points. What a crazy idea! An incredible team total of 14 blocks resulted in the Sacramento Kings defeating the New York Knicks 103-94.
De’Aaron Fox finished with a team high 22 points to go with 7 assists and 3 rebounds. Harrison Barnes broke out of his slump and had 21 points, 8 rebounds and 7 assists.
But tonight was really about Tyrese Haliburton. The rookie was everywhere, contributing on both offense and defense and making Knicks fans scream in anguish at what could have been. Haliburton finished with 16 points, 5 rebounds, 4 blocks, 2 steals and 2 assists. His assist total should have been closer to the 6-7 range but teammates kept blowing easy buckets. Truly a great night for the rookie.
Richaun Holmes chipped in 10 points, 14 rebounds, and 6 blocks. Marvin Bagley was clearly playing through pain in his wrist but still added 10 points and 11 rebounds. Bagley struggled on defense and was targeted often by the Knicks, especially by Julius Randle, but he gave great defensive effort even if the defense itself wasn’t great.
The win snaps a four game losing streak for the Kings. Due to game postponements, the Kings are now off until Wednesday.
Burt with 31 minutes, CoJo with 14.
It seems that finally Walton actually watched the tape.
Time for a dance thread!
That gives Monte now until Wed to Move Barnes/Hield.
and Walton
and Bjelica
Hield doesn’t have positive value, he may have negative with his play so I’ll give Monte a pass there
Barnes can be moved at this point, and should be moved if I approve of McNair being hired. He’s not timeline, and if he has is picking 10 or 11 instead of 4-6, because McNair chooses to build a culture, I’ll be pissed
the fans that approve of Barnes wrecking the tank of a young team shouldn’t be the perspective of a GM doing a long term job
And CoJo.
He likely has little to no trade value, but Joseph is the player (other than Buddy) that I am most looking forward to getting moved (or benched). The more minutes for Halliburton the better, and I wouldn’t mind seeing a few consistent minutes for Guy or Ramsey too.
most importantly, the needle
And Vivek
Must have been the jerseys!
Yeah, I think I’m going to get a Hali city edition.
Finally a win!
Some observations:
1. This team can play some D with the right coaching.
2. That matchup switch on Randle in the 4th won it for us. Credit to Luke? Maybe Kalamian I guess.
3. We got a real deal with Hali. Time to start the rook! (He is even directing “defensive specialist” CoJo in some defensive sequences)
4. Fox is improving on 3s, but really needs to work on FTs.
Hope we get some practice time and adjustments during the time off.
Eternal Optimist, You. Deck Chairs.. Me. I can’t take much away from this game. Knicks are probably the Bottom 3 in offense. A lot of teams will look like defensive stalwarts against this offensively challenged Knicks team. I agree with one of your points. Hali did play great and it is time for him to take Buddy Love’s place. Other than that… Kings need to trade massive players, fire Walton, and rebuild. This team will forever be stuck between a ceiling of purgatorial mediocrity and the living hell of Suckitude until they do.
This is where I lean as well. I must admit though, when Kyle Draper stated in the pregame that the Kings needed to hold NY under 100 points, I laughed out loud. With our Kings giving up 120+ like it was nothing the last half dozen games, I am still shocked that they held any team, be it Knicks, NCAA, YMCA, or otherwise under 100 points.
Cool…we get to bitch about this team for about 330 days of the year. Maybe hold the whiny bitch fest for non win games. Like just relax. Same stuff game after game. Nobody on here is saying this win indicates they are a playoff team.
FiFy
Finally a win!
Some observations:
1. This team can play some D
with the right coachingwhen they play the New York Knicks.On a SEGABABA.
you guys
HA!
Woulda been nice of Walton made a switch sooner. I don’t blame Bags a ton on that. I was ready for the post game thread to be all about how Walton sucks for not making the switch on Randle
I put it at like 61% odds the kings win their next game. They’re unpredictably predictable. 7-10 here we come baby.
10-14 pick sounds like typical Kangz. Let’s suck. But, not bad enough to land a Top 6 pick in one hella loaded draft. 32-33 wins. miss the play in by 2 games. Do it all over again next year. Rinse and Repeat.
i mean if they can land another haliburton-level talent in the late lottery, then we’re all good.
No we are not. We really need a franchise player. We need a player that grabs this team by the balls and drags it into relevancy, notwithstanding the dysfunction of the franchise.
ill settle for a good player that doesn’t grab anyone by their balls, but that’s just me.
Like this guy?
I can’t believe we don’t talk about this more. Remember when Reggie Evans was on the team? I went to one game when he was playing, and it was all I could do to not yell Nut grabber! during the quiet moments.
That would be like going from Kafka’s Metamorphosis to Steven King’s Misery. Not a good solution.
To put it another way, does Fox + Haliburton + Haliburton-level player = a playoff-level core? I think so assuming the 3rd player has a complimentary skillset.
If Cade isn’t in the cards, a top prospect big like USC’s Evan Mobley, or one of the two G-League wing phenoms (Green or Kuminga) could really help us. The backcourt of the future is hopefully set with Fox and Hali, but I think the Kings need a frontcourt player with a realistic ceiling of two-way all-star if we are to have confidence that playoffs can be realistically in reach in a few years.
Playoff core. Not in the West. Not in this lifetime. I will bet my mortgage on that. Neither Fox nor Hali or those type of players. If you think Fox and Hali are taking this team to the playoffs. Then, I think you may have had too much to drink. I say that respectfully.
Lol
You will bet your Debt? or the payment itself. Either way never say never, things can change quickly. I also disagree that culture isn’t important, you will never sustain any success w/o a culture.
One thing is guaranteed. Nothing changes quick for the Kings. If you been watching the past 15 years. Not much has changed. Always gravitating between two places: mediocrity or cellar dwellers. I am hoping Monte has the power to change that. If not, It means Vivek is still running this team and meddling. If we don’t see too many personnel changes, it’s likely Monte is a hired figure head.
This is a Star driven league. Playoff teams in the West not only have a star. But, Usually multiple stars. You’re banking on Fox becoming an All Star. SO far, I don’t see it. He won’t get in this year, either. The West is loaded with fantastic guards who are game changers. Fox is not in that category. Hali, while a nice player and a great pick at 12 is not the second coming of Kawhi Leonard.
Is it possible there is a spectrum that lies somewhere in between nice player and Kawhi Leonard. I can’t say what Haliburton can become for a winning team with any certainty. I like what I see but anybody that can declare either way after 15 games is full of crap.
Also I could care less if Fox makes an All Star team. Yeah West is loaded. If he keeps making progress (which I think he is, especially shooting wise) then he can be a very very good player. Last I checked, very good players make very good teams. Being named to the All star team guarantees jack. Ask Chris Kamaan and Kyle Korver.
Like Denver or Utah?
I would say Mitchell is a star and without a doubt better than Fox. Gobert is a perennial 1st team All Defense. When The Kings have a player that is first team All Defense, Let me know. Denver has arguably a Top 5 player in Jokic. Denver may have a second star in Porter Jr.
Mitchell isn’t a star, IMO. But he’s a very good team basketball player, as is Gobert.
You said “multiple stars” were needed to be a playoff team in the West. Just looking at some of the rosters that have made the playoffs the last few years show that not to be the case.
And it’s a bit of a chicken or egg thing. If the Kings are a playoff team, then they’d probably get more all-star votes.
You are right. Every playoff caliber team in the West has at least 2 all-star level players. The Kings have a ways to go to get Hali and Fox to those levels.
Lakers: LBJ and AD
Clippers: Kawhi and PG
Nuggets: Jokic and Murray
Jazz: Mitchell and Gobert
Blazers: Lillard and CJ
Mavs: Luka and Zinger
Suns: Paul and Booker
Warriors: Curry and Klay
Well currently the Grizz would be in the playoffs (not out of realm of possibility) and they certainly don’t have 2…also Klay is not playing so if the Warriors make it this year that kind of knocks that out.
If one wants to argue you need two stars to make a serious title contention, then yeah probably. But you can have one really good player and a nice cast around them and make the playoffs.
Good player and Impact player are different titles. Not always synonymous. Fox is a good player. Not an impact player. Hali is already better than Fox. But, he is a rookie and we are yet to see him take over a game. Maybe, he will get that opportunity this season.
Frankly, Murray isn’t an All-Star yet, and while D-Mitch made an All-Star team, I think he’s still overrated at this point. And Gobert is an All-Star pretty much at one end of the court. The Nuggets and Jazz (IMO) get it done on more of a team basis, than just relying on their “superstar” players.
Now, these are all very good players, no doubt about it. And I think the Kings need one guy at the level of a Lillard/Booker, etc. But if they get that, Haliburton and Fox become borderline All-Star type players, and you build some depth through the roster – that’s a team that could do some damage.
I am sold on Hali being a great glue guy and could have a high ceiling. Fox is what he is. He’s overvalued in Sac. He’s a good player. That literally plays a bipolar brand of basketball. His imprint is rarely shown against high powered teams. That’s why I think Mitchell is better than Fox. Utah is primarily Gobert’s first team D, and Mitchell. Fox needs to lead the team to a playoff before he’s considered All Star material.
Depends on the ceiling of Hali and Hali2. If Fox ends up as your third best player, you’re getting somewhere.
We need superstar level player. We have 2 nice players in Fox and Hali whose ceilings have not yet been defined but probably aren’t top 10 players in the league.
Haliburton. I love the guy and he’s a great player. A game changing franchise player. He’s not. Those you see in the first year. Hali is doing great and can be a nice piece. Is he Morant, Doncic, Zion, Wood, etc. A Star. He’s not.
Think of his upside as like a Christie, Battier, Marion, healthy Shaun Livingston, Iguodala type of player. Haliburton just makes the team better. They still need at least one more super impactful piece, but the ultra premium glue guy piece is also typically hard to find, and the kings now have it (my opinion).
So you need an alpha dog, like I wrote.
I agree that Burt is the glue guy, the player who will do all the things necessary to win, the Pippen, the Ginobili, the Kidd, the Draymond, the Bosh. But you still need your Jordan, Duncan, Dirk, Curry or LBJ. Fox ain’t them, by a long shot.
We need what likely will be a top 5 player from this draft.
A healthy Sean Livingston or a Smaller Manu ginobli are my hopeful comps for Hali
He’s better than that.
He’s better than Manu Ginobli? Being a Kings fan is a helluva drug!
It’s hard to compare. Ginobli was coached by the greatest ever. On some amazing Spurs teams. Ginobli was amazing. Hali certainly has similar qualities. But, it’s way too early to compare the 2.
LOL, it’s not hard to compare until Haliburton does a ton more in his career.
Heh.
Um, Marion & Iggy were much better than the other guys in that list in their prime. If Hali reaches their level, that’ll significantly boost the Kings.
If we assume Warriors-version Iggy, then Marion is the only one that’s out of place there, IMO. Maybe Livingston on the other end. But I think the overall point is right. Elite glue guy is Haliburton’s fate. A guy who’s versatility and BBIQ enables other guys (stars and role players) to thrive.
Your right…Wood is such a franchise player that showed that in the first year… by being on 6 teams in 5 years and never played 60 games until last year. But yeah.
Granted he’s not a franchise player, but per your rules.
My bad. Wood had been in the league a long time. I should have not put him on that list. I meant to say Sexton. Fox may put up similar numbers to Sexton, Morant, Mitchell, Tatum, Trae. But, Those players impact the game on multiple levels against playoff competition consistently. That’s the huge difference. Great players will make players around him better. Great players will take over games against good competition. Fox is not an Alpha, does not possess that in his BB DNA. If he did, the Kings would at the very least be .500 and possibly better.
3 of those 5 guys have literally never been on a NBA team with a winning record, or had playoff experience…same as Fox. Not one of those three guys has proven anything in the league besides they can get some stats on sub .500 teams…again, same as Fox.
I’m not saying those guys don’t have what it takes or aren’t franchise players. I don’t know if Fox is either yet. But to give them some imaginary benefit of the doubt that they can impact the game on multiple levels against playoff competition without seeing it at all doesn’t make a ton of sense.
You can’t possibly claim to know whether he is a star or not at this point in his career.
Well, not credibly, anyhow.
A star. Besides the obvious All Star appearances. Does Fox make the players around him better. No. Does Fox take over games consistently against playoff competition. No. How does Fox impact games on a major level in big games? Please elaborate. I like Fox as a player. But, Tons of Sac Fans overrate his abilities to truly be a game changer. At this point he’s not. It’s not even debatable.
You could stand to elaborate as well…in your previous comment you mention how Sexton, Trae Young and Morant are at some other level than Fox…assumingly they have the traits you state Fox does not.
Do they make players around them better? (debatable)
Do they take over against playoff competition/big games? (No, never been in the playoffs)
You seem hung up on All Star appearances…these three have 1 combined. Trae getting voted in fans and a million teenagers (not coaches, more meaningful)
Again I have no idea if Fox is a game changing franchise player, yet. Your assertion that these others are “Franchise players” based on your own selected attributes, doesn’t make sense because they don’t meet your requirements.
Long way of saying you don’t know right now and nobody else does either. You might be right…but to act with such assertion on the matter is dumb. And “It’s not even debatable”.
It might just be me, but every time CoJo is on the court I cringe. His offensive over dribbling is just atrocious. He is supposed to be a defensive specialist but from what I’ve seen he is absolutely terrible at on ball defense. I’ll give him props that he is a decent off ball defender but other than that I fail to see the value he brings to the team. I might just be jaded, but I’d rather see some young talent get some minutes over him.
I hear ya. I never really watched much of Joseph during his time in San Antonio or Toronto. There has to have been a significant drop in lateral quickness or something, right? I know he’s never been an offensive threat, but I remember him having the rep as an on-ball stopper when came out of Texas. What happened?
I’ll never quite understand the complaints about Joseph. He’s a journeyman backup point guard, and I personally really enjoy the effort he gives every night. I rewatched his 4th quarter minutes to make sure I hadn’t missed anything egregious- he made some nice shots, stayed in front of his man on defense, and fought hard, and successfully, through multiple screens.
I’m all for seeing what you have with young players, but I don’t think CoJo is holding back any franchise changing talent wasting away on the bench.
We have a bad habit of expecting players to be more than they are.
I don’t understand the Cojo hate. Is he overpaid? Yes. Thank you Vlade! I’ll just say that I agree with kingsforaday’s point entirely.
When he signed with Kings, he turned into a pumpkin like many free agents before him.
Jimmy, go to your room!
@HongKongKingsFan, do you take requests? I would love to see gifs of the rookies 4 blocks
LOVE HIM
https://twitter.com/NBCSKings/status/1352872868154138625
Hell yeah of course he’s wearing a JWill shirt. Plus holy shit:
my job is to make them think about that when they go to sleep.
dude just straight ether’d the Knicks for not picking him.
I still can’t get over that whole quote. I don’t think people realize how good Haliburton’s shit talking game is. He literally would say call god cuz he’s the only one who can save you when he was cookin in college. The dude is a verbal assassin.
(I’d be remiss without mentioning his wise-beyond-his-years comments after the conservative armed insurrection attempt. You just know he’s the type of guy that will become great in order to amplify his message.)
If you downvoted this because of the insurrection thing then please reply to this so I know who to not interact with moving forward.
I want a t-shirt of Haliburton wearing a J-Will t-shirt.
I want a t-shirt of J-Will wearing a t-shirt of Haliburton wearing a J-Will t-shirt.
I have one in a XXL I’ll sell it to you
Awww, I’m a Medium.
You’re a Medium? No wonder you’ve won the Nostradumbass contest so many times!
Ha, thanks Jman, but my nostradumbass this season got replaced with simply “dumbass” because I keep getting predictions wrong!
Hahaha! Thank you, Marty!
I mean, on one hand – this is great! On the other, I’m a little concerned with his judgement if he actually believes this.
Marxist!
(In this case, the Kings are Groucho, and Haliburton is the club?)
Was just about to post this!
Wanting to be in Sac goes a long way, doesn’t it? Jesus, even I couldn’t wait to leave. Haha!
I’ll always appreciate Sacramento, but I think I’ve gotten too used to being in the Bay Area for most of my time after high school. A lot of it has to do with much milder weather, but in the last few years the heatwaves have been more abundant.
I really Kangzed my predictions on that game.
I enjoy Mark Jones very much, but does anyone else furl their eyebrows when he says “worldwind”?
I’m guessing he means “whirlwind”.
/rant over –YAY KINGS!
I didn’t even make it that far…five minutes in, I tapped out and played PGA 2k21 instead.
Did you get a higher or lower score than the Knicks?
Higher. Pretty similar to my real golf game. ð¤¨
Hahaha, well at least you play on the big courses. I’ve not made it out of the G-league (miniature golf)
That fake windmill is an abomination.
You should see our bike infrastructure.
Didn’t watch the game but judging from the box score/actual score must’ve been pretty boring
You would be wrong
Why is there so much positivity after a win vs the knicks
This is bad
Because Haliburton was awesome? Or at least that made me happy.
it was a win… fuck it lol
Fuck it, we deserved this win man!
-Bjelica
Nice name!
Haliburton. Didn’t think he’d be my favorite King already, but he is. Such a great kid. Not much else to say other than he’s been all around awesome.
Bagley. I’m loving the effort. I’m loving the jumper stroke. Surprised he had best +/- on the night. Not loving the wrist injury. Not loving the sideward mobility and agility on defense. Christie was hinting at it all night. He needs to get down and get his center of gravity lower. He’s galloping everywhere. Christie was hinting at it all night. Basketball defense is all about lateral quickness, along with balance and stability. To have lateral quickness, balance and stability you need to be low. Bagley has the foot speed, I’ve seen it on some of his offensive moves. He now needs to start applying it to the defensive end. If Fox can bust 3’s now, Bagley can move better laterally, in a year or two, but the works starts now.
Barnes. What a great all around bounce back performance after a couple of quite games. Really good stuff. When he’s on it…man, he’s just so versatile, both offensively and defensively.
Fox. Really loved his aggressiveness tonight. And his 3 pointer has been much improved. Earlier in the season I wasn’t super happy to see him pull up for 3’s in the 4th quarter as an early offensive option, but now I’m starting to want that more than a Buddy 3 in the 4th. As long as he keeps it balanced with attacking the rim, he’s just a nightmare to defend.
Holmes. Just another great gritty performance, not much else to say.
Buddy. I mean I guess it’s a better game. Can we trade HIM for Donte DiVincenzo?
CoJo. Not understanding him getting minutes. I’d rather see those go to James, Guy, or anyone else really.
“Would you quit talking about Marvin Bagley?” – Marty’s wife, undoubtedly.
She has no interest in sports outside of the Olympics, no sports talk.
Photo and title match perfectly. That should be front cover of the sports section extra large.
The Kings DRtg for the season is currently <119!!!
OT: I went to the team store online and they only sell the Fox jersey in the city edition. What gives? I want a Hali one!
Maybe they’re sold out already!
yes, same as the blue jersey last season, sold out crazy fast.
I want the new city edition jersey too.
Hopefully, the city edition jersey will have stock back in nba store…
Man, if they sold out that quickly, you’d think they’d make more. I did find a Hali one on ebay but it was only a small.
I wanted the city addition Hoodie around Christmas time. It sold out quickly and just came back yesterday. When I ordered the XL it stated there was only 5 left.
For the non lip readers, at one point, Randle yelled re: Marvin “He can’t f*ck*ng guard me”
Yeah we know, said everyone with two eyes!
Then, the coach puts Barnes on Randle, overdue but okay, and we get a stop IIRC.
Next few possessions, Thibs calls play for RJ since he is being guarded by whom: Marvin!
What does it say that our SF is better at guarding PFs than our PF?!
You can look at this one of two ways, Marvin rightfully being identified as one of the poorest defenders in the NBA and getting picked on as often as possible: (1) it will make him or (2) it will break him.
When the season started I advocated to bring Marvin off the bench to gain confidence, get his rhthym and timing back against less talented opponents. I was not adamantly opposed however to make him a starter because entering year 3, we need to:
> see what we have
> send Bjelica to the bench permanently
> provide valuable experience and lessons
> acclerate the growth curve (if there is one)
> find out if we have a star or a bust.
Sadly, barring a quantum leap (as opposed to linear or incremental), it doesn’t look like we have a star. Jerry made the point about Ben McLemore of which I concur, how throwing a guy into the fire not ready can ruin him, granting minutes unearned can wreck the psyche.
Marvin can follow in Ben’s footsteps or he can respond the challenge.
The guy is getting served major slices of Humble Pie and illusions of inevitable fast track to stardom with consistent health are being shattered. So Bagley is at a crossroads and he is likely having nightmares about Randle and other guys destroying his defense resistance and ego.
And the other component of this humbling experience for Bagley is seeing Haliburton take the league storm. Haliburton is spectacuar! He is having a better rookie season than Fox, his defense last night was the best defense he has played. Haliburton has all-NBA 1st team potential as a defender and can maybe lead the NBA in steals!
By contrast Bagley is struggling to finish shots and constantly ceding ground in the paint, muscled out of the way for rebounds. Occassionally he will get good position or rise up for a swat but mostly he is getting abused and unbalanced when he tries to back-up defensively or cut off angles.
Has he gotten physically weaker since his rookie season?? It feels this way. When Bagley impressed in his rookie season, he was more explosive and confident around the rim. He is tentative, weak hands, struggles to play through contact. Maybe this is because he is going against more 1st team opponents than back then?
I want to be optimistic. Bagley has made some modest gains, but what we need and what he needs is a quantum leap (like the one Donovan Mitchell made after struggling for 1st 20 games of his rookie season). Or he is just another Ben McLemore, all flash with no staying power. Ben was a guy who liked to post pictures of living the “high life” same with Willie, dropping 1000s on purses and bags and tacky t-shirts and gaudy jewelry. If you get caught up in that, you are never going to be great.
If you value the lifestyle of a millionaire more than the process of maximizing your potential, you have misplaced priorities you are going to regret when your playing days are done. You have to be a dawg. You have to put in the sweat equity like Fox and Haliburton. Maybe Bagley needs this humbling experience, getting owned by Randle, embarassed off the court, to realize that.
Stay tuned!
All around the league, and within the own team, and even Bagley himself knew he was being identified as the “Target”…all opponents can score on him (pretty easily)…
I would agree Bagley would be better coming out of bench to face the 2nd unit..but we just don’t know what the FO sees in him..(whether just to showcast him and trade him soon or just let him play with the starters to see how Bagley turns out)..
He just needs to alter his body, get quicker, and get more time on the court, and we’ll see what we have in him.
Don’t forget lose his Dad’s number and understand he is the CEO of MB3 inc.
Also, learn how to pass and play defense. Then we’ll know.
Bagley did get Covid–maybe it has had some lasting effects on him?
As another commenter said, Doug was pointing out Bagley’s defensive stance and that he wasn’t staying down regularly. Fixing that could probably help him some so he won’t get pushed around so much. But yeah, the weight room should help.
We are still learning about the long haul effects of CD-19. If it reduces your peak oxygen consumption by 5 or 10%, that can be the difference between great and average, and between average and poor, for an elite professional athlete.
He is already better than B-Mac.
OT: Not surprised by this. He could have value to a contender.
https://twitter.com/JandersonSacBee/status/1353048647328440320
As long as it ain’t the L*kers!
I bet $1 it has more to do with ensuring Bagley gets guaranteed developmental minutes.
Captain Obvious here: MB3 could become more valuable if he shows enough improvement. BJelly is who he is, a 2nd round pick…. GS could use his shooting and short runs at the 4-5 in small ball.
Sure, Bjelly is “who he is” (isn’t everyone, though?): he’s a solid NBA rotation player, but not much more than that he is not very useful to the Kings today, though that puts a question mark on why even keep him on the payroll? I think it was likely he’d be out of the NBA if Kings haven’t picked up his option (or well, not not-declined it).
I do have a problem with the label “a 2nd round pick”. To me, a draft round a player was picked in merely indicates the estimated risk by NBA FOs at the time of the pick.
Second round picks currently playing in the NBA are Jokic, Middleton, Joe Harris, Montrezl Harrel, Lou Williams, Marc Gasol or DeAndre Jordan.
But let me put out some numbers to give a better insight into what second round picks seem to be on average.
NBA currently has 468 players having played this season, 254 picked in the first round of an NBA draft (217 since 2010), 117 (107) of them second round picks, and 97 undrafted players (like Fred VanFleet, Christian Wood, Joe Ingles or Seth Curry).
Since Bjelica was picked in the 2010 draft, there were 300 first and 300 second round picks. Put another way, almost 100 first round picks are already out of the league, and almost 200 second round picks are out.
Only 2 2nd rounders from 2010 are still in the league (hah, those are Whiteside and Bjelica, so we’ve got them both on Kings!), 3 from 2011, 7 from 2012, 3 from 2013, 8 from 2014, 7 from 2015, 5 from 2016, 13 from 2017, 15 from 2018, 20 from 2019 and 24 from 2020.
For first round picks, we’ve still got 9 playing from the 2010 draft, 15 from 2011, 11 from 2012, 21 from 2013… This includes guys like Alec Burks.
What I am trying to get at is that “a second round pick” means that you are around 90% likely to be out of the league 10 years from the draft you’ve been picked in. Heck, “a first round pick” means that you are around 60-70% likely to be out 10 years on. So I don’t find it a useful label at all, because Bjelica obviously beats most first-rounders even.
If we look through the lens of Bjelica’s draft year, he’s one of only 11 players still playing in the NBA today (which includes the likes of Ed Davis and Patrick Patterson, but also Paul George, Gordon Hayward, Eric Bledsoe, John Wall or Cousins).
I could be wrong…but I read CoreyBrewers comment about “2nd round pick” as his perceived value in a trade. Like he is worth a second round pick trade wise….but lots of research there : )
Yeah, that’d make sense 🙂
Still, it was interesting to look at this data, and it would be even more interesting to look at how many lottery picks each team has picked up that did not work out in the long run. It also goes to show that it’s lottery in more ways than one.
I think a lot of teams could use an expiring stretch 4.
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