Free agent Richaun Holmes is re-signing with the Sacramento Kings on a four-year deal worth up to $55 million, according to Shams Charania.
Free agent center Richaun Holmes has agreed to a four-year deal worth as much as $55 million to return to the Sacramento Kings, his agency Par-Lay Sports & Entertainment (@parlay_se) tells @TheAthletic @Stadium. Deal includes player option and trade kicker.
— Shams Charania (@ShamsCharania) August 3, 2021
The deal reportedly includes a player option and a trade kicker. The trade kicker is likely where the extra money would come in, as the Kings were limited to using Early Bird Rights to keep Holmes.
This is a great win-win for both the team and Richaun. The Kings couldn’t afford to lose Holmes, and including some player-friendly elements helps to add value for Holmes even when the Kings couldn’t exceed certain dollar limits.
Holmes joined the Kings two years ago on a low-cost deal as a backup center and quickly won the starting job, as well as the love of Kings fans. It’s fantastic that he’ll be staying in Sacramento.
This is also a win for Monte McNair, who didn’t make cost-cutting trades at the deadline and gambled that the market wouldn’t price him out of retaining Holmes.
The Kings still have their Mid-Level Exception available for additional free agent signings.
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So, have we traded Buddy/Bagley for Harris or Simmons yet?
Ditto.
Works for me. Fun guy to root for, and glad he got paid.
It amazes me that a comment like this gets down votes.
I’m pretty sure it’s Monte McNair who is down-voting everyone, just to keep us in check.
Huge fan of the Holmses… is this phonetically correct?
TKH staff needs to add a 1000 down vote badge so we can see who these shiftless, asshat, wankers are.
Congrats to the Holmes family on a very special day for them.
I downvoted this to protect the rights and privacy of those who have nothing of value to say, and so take a tiny dump on some of what does.
Of course you did you’re Andy sims.
Whatever gets you through the night.
I don’t like the downvote option and think TKH should do away with it.
It used to be when one would criticize a comment you had to explain yourself. There was dialogue. Logic won out or it was trolling.
The downvote opens the door for trolls/troll like behavior and negativity-anger. It is anti-discussion and humor, which is what makes this site great/different from others.
Seems like some of the downvotes are personal-disliking the poster, It all creates a negative vibe I never associated with TKH.
.Oh, and good they kept Holmes.
I am not sure I agree, there will always be some guys that are petty and downvote because they don’t like the commenter; however there are not a lot of them so I think you can get a feeling of which comments truly are disliked. Plus I like to read the crazy hot takes that get lots of down votes. Would even say that certain people get up votes for comments based off of reputation even when they comment may not serves it.
With that said I gave an upvote even though I did not agree because your opinion is a good one,and if people acted like the twitterverse then I would agree because there are some serious trolls there. TKH has a pretty solid group of commenters that will usually hammer trollish behavior, or even those that fall too far outside of the norm
Welcome back Holme, Richaun!
All my Holmies love Richaun
Good day so far
Thank you Dr. Holmes and Mr. Holmes.
The Kings get all three Holmes in this deal and that is an excellent outcome for Kings Fans.
Seriously. Who the heck will thumb down this?
No worries Comments_….Tonight we all are Holmes’s. Really happy they are all Kings again, they are the epitome of Family.
Preach!! And a thumb up for ya
Holmes Sweet Holmes!
(I wonder if anyone had to mow his lawn?)
Yeah, the Holmes’ parents on twitter make Kings wins so much more fun to celebrate.
Team Bagley
very nice.
Now use that MLE or trade for a larger wing.
hahahahaha the downvote got me
We won! ….We won right?
I love you Richaun! Thank you for staying!! Well deserved contract for the Holmes family.
Well done Monte. Still waiting for the Bagley and Buddy trade(s) please!
Me after reading the first half of the tweet “Richaun Holmes has signed with….”
Next up for MLE or S&T (Now that we are hard capped because we used the BAE):
Oubre
Hart
Winslow
Porter
Markennen or Tobi harris please
Bagley + Buddy trade for Harris, with filler(s) on both sides to make the money balance? I’m down.
yes sir! I’d honestly do the same offer for Lauri Mark
More injury prone but he is on the Fox/Hali timeline and obviously a skilled dude
Gotta be cheaper guys we can get on the timeline who will also be out of the league in a couple of years.
Markennen is sitting there like a plum right now isn’t he Mike?
yes he is…and a sign and trade generally is going to require less assets going back to them
Could be straight up Buddy for Mark tbh
I would not give up more than Buddy and would ask for a pick in return to be honest. Markennen has a lot of upside still. He has skill.
you aren’t getting a pick imo, but I think buddy straight up works pretty well
I like Buddy, he is an elite shooter. He had his best season not being pushed outside of his fairway under Joeger and being held to a performance standard. Having said that you may be right, however I think Buddy would garner a pick in exchange for Markennen. In the end, Anne it is a second….and the flexibility of the ability to get a player that can compliment the other players rather than they having to compliment Buddy.
Auto Wrong strikes me again. Anne = maybe.
BTW, I voted a thumbs up. Who can downvote your comment. Has to be a Laker fan…
if Buddy would accept a super sixth man award I think this team would be so much better, and I think he would light it up. If he doesn’t want that then by all means trade him. I was for the buddy and Bagley for Harris but think I would be down for Markennen
Nice work Monte
they have some legit size at the 5 now
we already knew this but Marvin Bagley is gone baby gone
This doesn’t mean anything for Bagley lol
Lol
ok
they literally play different roles on the team
Literally?
yes sir
Indeed. Marvin helps keep the training staff up to date on their CME credits.
Looking forward to watching Holmes for seasons to come.
Dewayne Dedmon and his two burner accounts downvoted this.
That’s a freakin bargain deal. Still one of the most undervalued guys in the NBA.
This is Monte’s best move yet.
Outside looking in…
It’s definitely not a bargain deal.
Nerlens noel got a little over 10 million a year. Holmes contract is under value to fair.
12 mill a year is not a bargain? . They’ve been giving thar to Ariza and Cojo. It’s an absolute steal
Looking at a list of other signings today, it sure feels like one of the better valued deals. Devonte Graham signed for just a bit less, Doug McDermott getting 3 yrs with more per year, Evan Fournier got 4yrs, $78 mil?
Exactly. Tbh, I think fournier was overpaid, even. I know his shooting is valuable but i feel his defense is very poor. I don’t like paying that much for guys who only do a couple things well
It’s a good deal imo. This guy is a very impactful player on offense and is at least serviceable on defense. Great teammate, energy, etc. This is a very fair contract to me
For a career 9-5 guy, who literally had one good year in a contract year.
I like Holmes. But outside of his scoop shot, high energy and attitude. He’s also undersized, a very avg rebounder, and definitely can’t stretch the floor.
if that’s Monte pinnacle, that’s real telling.
Dude…look what he signed for. Freaking Kelly Olynck (sp?) got like 3 for 37 m. This is great value. Epitome of great for both sides.
Olynyk is a decent player, not sure that’s a good example. He just does different things than Holmes.
Compare Olynck’s RPM to Holmes, then again there’s a lot of stupid money being thrown around.
I did, Olynyk was 0.95 and Holmes was 0.94 last season.
Different players, but they both add value.
That’s precisely my point to Kingsguard. Using Olynyk’s contract as evidence that the Holmes contract is a bargain is a poor argument. Different players adding about the same value in different ways. Also pointing to one poor contract to justify another poor contract is also a weak argument. These contracts however are not as bad as some of the others for example Fornier getting 78 mil over 4 years is a massive over payment.
He’s the team’s best defender by far. His offense has dramatically improved. He plays hard as hell. If that’s not worth 12 mill in today’s NBA, I don’t know what is
I think it’s decent value and Holmes does some nice things. But his defense is overstated. He “anchored” one of the worst defenses in recent NBA history.
Have you actually seen him man up on guards and small forwards when he gets isolated on them? Best on-ball defender on team and its not close
If you acknowledge he had one good year (past one), then he really has had three. The last 3 years his per 100 numbers and efficiency are pretty damn similar. Lots of advanced metrics too. If you only want to give credit for time he was starter, fine. But the last two years he was about the same.
So it’s not like some outlier year.
Woohoo!
I’m happy for Holmes, as he seems to be a genuinely good guy. Hopefully we’re not sitting around trying to figure out how to move him a year or two, as we’ve been accustomed to doing with our free agents.
If he stays healthy, that shouldn’t happen. Holmes’ game is all about hustle and the dirty work, and that makes him a good asset no matter the coach or system. The deal is cap-friendly, too–not an overpay by any reasonable definition.
And of course this means we get more Dr. Holmes tweets!
Sign the good Dr. to be the parent Twitter coach.
Team Doctor.
Like a twitter baby sitter, or something rather?
Could teach a particular someone a few things…
This is a great piece of news, but at the end of the day, the Kings’ needle is about where it was at the end of the season. Len doesn’t change things. Harkless was already here. I love Richaun, but we still need a BIG move to take things to the next level. Come on, Monte, you can do it!
Yeah the moves so far are mostly about keeping things level. Possibly more if Mitchell is good.
I predict Mitchell will do good things.
I have no idea. He’s taking minutes at a position of strength for this team, so if he’s a normal rookie, it’s quite possible the team is worse in the short term.
If they retain Davis and Buddy, there’s likely very few minutes for him to take. He’d basically be in the Kyle Guy role.
I’m guessing (hoping) he’ll help us on defense, which we’re not strong at. But yeah, I understand the doubt about rookies.
people must not like you. you keep making sense and getting downvoted for it.
You get used to it.
5 down votes for that? I’m starting to feel like that post about a negative vibe or retaliatory energy towards certain posters is more accurate than I had thought. Kinda weird to down vote this 5 times is all I’m saying.
Buddy, Bags, and top 10 protected ’22 1st for Tobi Harris
That is too much. Don’t give up that pick. Buddy straight up for Markennen.
I would prefer that deal for sure.
I do think if we got Tobi for buddy and bags we would have very very very slim chances to be picking top 10
I know Tobi is over paid but I would do this deal in a second.
Can’t disagree with that Michael. Wouldn’t this be the third time he played for the Kings.
Absolutely. Tobias can get his own bucket better than Barnes, to have them both with Fox and Hali would give us another go to scorer with De’Aaron in crunch time. We still need a better coach for defensive schemes and intensity though.
But that potential 2nd unit is solid defensively- Davion, Davis, Harkless, Metu-Woodard, Len.
Trade a guy who doesn’t miss games, for one of the softest players in the league, and overpay to boot? Nah.
Totally agree and that deal is not too much. I’d probably do less protection than that. This team needs to get better. Harris isn’t going to make this roster a playoff threat, but it’s not unreasonable to think he would make them a lower tier playoff team.
Len>Whiteside. The end of the year roster was better than the start of the year roster. There has been constant, albeit marginal, improvement with almost every deal. Keep making marginal improvement over and over again and eventually you’re in the mix.
I’d say Len vs Whiteside is a wash everywhere but age and the all-important likeability factor. Neither bring much to the table on the court, at this point in their careers.
Yes, in 2028, by my calculations.
Sooner than I anticipated!
Agreed, the team has taken a couple marginal steps forward. But to be taken seriously any time soon, they need to take a big step now. Marginal steps get you 1-3 extra wins per season. Big steps get you 7-10 wins (or more), and that is what the Kings need to genuinely be a playoff team and not a “maybe they can sneak into the play-in” team.
You marginal steps might not even get you 1 to 3 more wins, depending on how the rest of the West improves.
We now have 15 guards, 12 centers and 1 forward. Let’s go!
Unless a big trade is coming, I don’t see
much change in W-L.
So, far this is moving deck chairs. Nothing else. Holmes is back. Len and Harkless are back. If that’s your strategy, then expect similar results next year.
i will also not be shocked if Bagley and Hield are still here come Oct.
People are deluded thinking a package of Bagley, Hield and Filler will net a difference maker.
Perhaps you are deluded to think the market for Hield is complete poo poo?
I want a nice trade for a Wing but keeping bags and buddy could be worse.
The lineups with Buddy at the 3 were fine, so rolling with what’s currently signed would definitely have us in the playoff race, I think with a solid shot at getting in.
Kings missed the playoffs (#8 seed) by seven games. Three new bench players in Mitchell, Thompson and Len are going to move this from a .430 team to a .530 team? From 31-41 to 38-34?
Plus hali second year, moe full year… System continuity, yes I think it could be the year we crack .500
Even with the worst coach in the league
Continuity with a “system” like Walton’s is just stepping in the same pile of dog shit over and over.
Yes but doing it much more effectively ????
I don’t think this roster gets anywhere near .500, especially with Walton. But I think (hope?) there are more moves in the pipeline, and my hope is it ends up being something better than the original Hield deal.
Really happy for him, and us! Good dude on a reasonable deal = win.
All right Monte, keep on truckin’ and find new homes for Buddy and Bagley!
Things aren’t done so no final eval yet, but I would say so far so good for Monte. Calculated the market for Holmes well, got solid if unspectacular bench players without overpaying (opposite of years past).
Hard part probably is to come…Buddy, Bagley etc.
No overpays so far this time, and no overpays last year, either. Monte hasn’t set the world on fire, but he has avoided making costly unforced errors. That, by itself, is very important. The best-run franchises don’t necessarily hit home runs or even get on base every time at the plate. They just avoid swinging the bat into their own face and wait for the other guy to screw up.
Hey they did something good that I like! That’s nice.
Egg on my face with my last comment, but happily so. Way to lock up Richaun, Monte! Gonna enjoy that trademark flip shot for a good long time. Now let’s get a starting F in exchange for Buddy!
Been waiting for this all day, glad it’s done!
Let’s forget about trades, what’s the best couple of forwards that are available with the MLE?
i just checked sportrac, really really slim pickins
NCAA & NBA champion Justin Jackson is available.
Don’t forget “former #15 overall selection in the 2017 NBA draft” and also, “world champion!” lol
WOOHOO!!!!
I know we didn’t really improve our roster much at all from last season, but Richaun Holmes is a joy to root for, so I’m very happy he’s on the Kings again. I hope to someday yell and stomp for him at G1C (or Staples) as he hustles his ass off and makes an emphatic block.
Dance thread?!
I’ve got dance in my pants!
(best dance song and dance video ever)
Perfect Kosta.
I was waiting for the dance gifs!
Dance!
Definitely glad Monte could get this done. I did not think it was in the cards. More reason to love Holmes. Can we back out of the TT trade now? Hold on to Len and find a new home for Bagley, Buddy and Delon.
The Kings had some solid lineups last year and lacked defense and depth. Some of that was addressed with Harkless, Wright, et. al. at the end of the year and there were some positive results. They have further bolstered their lineup with Len and Mitchell. Hopefully they keep Wright now and back out of the TT deal. I’m pretty OK with the idea of hoping for further development of Fox/Hali, a solid contribution of Mitchell, and a bench improvement from Len, Harkless, Wright, Mitchell compared to Cojo, Whiteside, Belly, and a bunch of round 2 scrubs. I may be in the minority but I think that betting on development of Fox and Hali, and the improvements to the bench and defense leaves room for optimism.
Hell to the yes! Glad you are staying Richaun. Make Len the back up, let Queta develop in Stockton and keep D Jones for emergencies. Nix the TT deal, let Whiteside walk. Give the PF spot to Metu and let Barnes stay as the SF.
yes nix the Thompson deal, yes let Whitseside go, no don’t keep Jones, and lastly Metu is nowhere near a starting NBA player yet.
I like this, Mike!
I’m just going with what we have now. If we can upgrade PF, then certainly do it.
no no no to the Metu thing…S&T for Markennen, Buddy straight up
Fox, Mitchell
Hali, Davis
Barnes, Moe
Makennen, Bagley
Holmes, Len
I really think thats a top 8 team in the west
That’s a very thin front court.
because of injury I assume? Otherwise it’s not at all
Bagley and Harkless just don’t bring much to the table. If we’re talking about making a run at the 8th spot, they’d need to slide one more spot over in the depth chart.
agree to disagree, I think Moe and Bags as your backup 3 and 4 are very solid.
Moe’s probably solid as a backup, but Bagley’s really inconsistent. I really wish Wright had been traded for a decent F instead of Thompson. That would’ve really helped the depth chart.
Ideally, Harkless is more of a 3rd stringer at both forward positions. In that roster, Barnes is still your only reliable forward you can rely on to put in a positive shift.
Buddy for Marken. Hate to tell you this. But, that ain’t happening. Even with Markennan, how many games do you think he’ll play. He’ll miss 20-30 for sure. Like every year.
So an improvement over the current starting power forward then? ; )
Was going to downvote this, but the ratio is already brutal.
Often on this site that’s a good thing
Very fair deal for both sides…glad we didn’t overpay and still glad he got paid. This is awesome…now some MLE or trades.
Has the team drastically improved-probably not…but will they be more fun to watch and play better defense-hopefully.
Yes, this is a good move. Credit to Monte where credit is due.
Happy to have Holmes and his mother back!
FoR oNCe I’M oK wITh ViVEk’s MEdDLiNg!
(I don’t know how to do sarcasm font here on TKH. Has anyone made an official font yet?)
OT: have to also feel good for Derrick Rose who has come all the way back and was rewarded for all his hard work rehabbing to get a good contract from the Knicks today after finishing 3rd in the 6th Man Award last year. Good on you Mr. Rose. Long health on you.
Glad they retained Holmes. Seems like a fair value deal, and would have set the team back had he not been retained. I’m hoping there’s more to the Thompson deal than we know, like another team gets in the mix and the Kings end up with another asset.
Sorry Nerlens…… best of luck in finding another team to overpay you.
He already did…
I would have been fine with Noel as a fallback option for Holmes.
this is good news! maybe we can have nice things?
Great news! I thought Richaun would stay but didn’t know if his price tag would exceed the Kings’ grasp.
So is Terence Davis the next signed with some or all of the MLE? And aren’t there more players signed than roster spots?
I’ve been hoping Davis would just quietly disappear.
I think he likely will via an S&T for a future 2nd or a project. Barring somebody offering a 3/20 or above, which we hopefully won’t match.
Great job Monte and congrats to Richaun, you deserve it.
THIS IS GOOD!! THIS IS HOT FLAMES GOOD!
(Like many others, I am a huge Richaun fan)
Gotta say…to the “Monte failed at the deadline for not dealing Holmes for 1-2 second round picks” crowd and you know who you are : ) … this is why you don’t do that.
If you have intention/desire to sign him, even if it isn’t a foregone conclusion you will, you don’t deal him just to “get something” because he might walk for nothing. It was the right choice then, even if he ended up signing somewhere else today. Monte calculated the market well and guessed the EBR might be good enough. It worked out in his favor on this occasion. The cost/benefit was way more than whatever assets they might have got at the deadline.
Maybe? This is IMO a bit of an overpay, but certainly not egregious.
And I think a lot of the doubts were predicated on “if” he was unable to re-sign Holmes.
I mean he got him for the EBR to my understanding. The trade kicker only kicks in if they trade him and only on the remainder of his contract. Not sure how that is calculated into the cap figure.
If Jarret Allen got 20 mill and Olynk got 12+, Theis got 9, this doesn’t feel out of line. Like I think you said before, (maybe someone else sorry if not you) doesn’t seem like it will ever be a albatross type contract barring injury.
Monte doesn’t get the benefit of making the decision at the deadline based on knowing the end results. To be fair we should all evaluate in the moment under the circumstances in which he has to make that decision. Not 3 months later after results and then say, what an idiot.
No, I don’t expect it will be. And if it is due to injury, that’s just bad luck.
Bit of strawman. You deal the player if you’re not going to re-sign him. Obviously the intention was to re-sign Holmes, and they did, so there was no reason to deal him.
The failure would have been losing him for nothing.
Disagree. It was the right choice because he re-signed. It would have been the wrong choice had he left.
Yeah I would contend you don’t get to quarterback it afterwards based on the results. Monte had to make a decision at the deadline. If you feel that was the right decision at the deadline, as you point out, you don’t then get to say it was a failure because he walked for nothing.
I think you have to evaluate the decision at the deadline on a cost/benefit type analysis. Not that it would have been a failure if he left.
100%, Carl isn’t living in reality with that final portion of his comment
Big boys get judged on their results, not their intentions.
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(With the caveat that something like the Hield trade was outside their control.)
Sequenced.
LOL. You are literally quarterbacking it afterwards based on the results.
Ummm no. Check any of those threads on Holmes resigning. I clearly always said it was the right call to keep him even if it was only a 25% chance to resign. I also repeatedly said the EBR might get it done. Not to toot my horn, but I can’t let you say that I am classifying Monte’s decision as good because of the results.
There are multiple takes on the topic.
This really is a dumb debate, and I think it generalizes and leaves out context.
But if you feel the need to call someone out for their takes on Holmes back then, I think you should pull the quotes and confront the directly.
Additionally, it ignores the possibility that the Kings still may have been better off dealing him at the deadline (unlikely but possible) or that the Kings could have dealt him and THEN signed him as a free agent this off-season.
I really wasn’t trying to target Carl or others…there were numerous people bitching about how Monte was an idiot for not trading Holmes for a 1-2 2nd round picks at deadline if he walked. This was a generic take about this possible result and why those theories were incorrect in my opinion. I’m sure the Kings will confront similar situation again, though every circumstance different.
Would it have been better if I just specifically named users and called them out to the board and try to embarrass personally? That wasn’t my intention, so I am not sure why I would do that.
Well, maybe I misinterpreted, but it felt like a “I was right, y’all were wrong” post.
And as I noted, it’s hard to go that route without knowing that alternate timeline. If he had dealt Holmes for some assets at the trade deadline, could McNair still have signed Holmes today?
I get it…I mean it did bother me those takes, so obviously there is some vindication on one of the bigger topics over the last few months, but I was trying to be mindful of that type of tone : ) But I get plenty of shit wrong like everyone else. I wasn’t trying to target a specific member hence my wording.
Hard to say if they could have gotten him back. They wouldn’t have had his EBR and thus would have had more moving parts to clear actual physical cap space to bring back. Seems less likely.
Ballsy move by Monte, good for him.
Run it back!
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This is still an 8 at best and more like a 9-11 team again. Unless some trade for Harris, Siakam materializes.
There is always the chance Fox takes another leap. Same for Hali. That’s what the FO is counting on. If not, this team is still a 35-40 win team at its ceiling.
I know Monte is focusing on defense. That’s noble. Also bringing in Defensive minded players. But, at the end of the day, talent supersedes any and everything else.
This is a star driven league. Unless, you’re a team like the Grizz or Spurs( who always have competent FO decisions and great coaching) Sac has neither.
Like always the goal of this team is to get to the playin.
Hiring another ex King, Christie reeks of
Vivek. Teaching D? Lol! You either make the effort or not.’Hiring Christie won’t change that. Especially, since he has Zero exp on the bench.
Would agree that the team as constructed now is not significantly better than last season’s team. There need to be more moves.
Yep, it’s basically a 30ish-win team. Same as it’s been for most of the last 15 years.
So happy for Richaun. He’s a vital part of the core.
Any improvement, TBH, is on the backs of Fox and Hali. If these two continue to make the next step, then they might sneak on some teams.
Still need to sign if possible a buy low candidate. A young high pick who hasn’t panned out and may need a change of scenery to break out.
Lauri would be awesome, so much untapped potential. Bamba comes to mind as well.
How sad….. apparently there is a lonely troll on here giving “thumbs down” to everything.
Probably that racist dude that pops up periodically to troll everyone.
Happened on the previous two posts too.
Don’t let it bother you BTB, keep commenting and carry on. It’s a good day. Might be better, but I will take good for today.
Oh, it doesn’t bother me, it interests me. That’s some dedication to….something(?)
My soul is at peace.
If true, Monte can have coffee tonight.
Napkin math says that would make for a 20% trade kicker, then. Yes?
I think I read somewhere that max is 15%…anyone know?
Good question. If so that would be some serious “rounding up” from the reporters to get to that 55M figure
15% is the max trade kicker, as Wiz said.
Yeah, after the comment I saw that the 55 figure was just the result of the trade kicker plus a few more million rounded up to make for a fancy tweet.
My 1st thought when I saw this was ‘Holy shit, how did the Kings clear cap room?’
Then I started to realize how Shams worded the tweet with the help of Twitter (California Jag, Aykis, Jill Adge) and went ‘wow!’
My mind went from ‘awesome’ to ‘holy shit this has steal written all over it.’
IMO, this is the best FA deal the Kings have made since Bobby Jackson’s in 2000.
Some of that number has to also be unlikely incentives. It’s both really.
Based on those numbers it’s likely a 3 year 32 million (I’m too lazy to calculate it exactly right now ) deal.
I don’t think there’s anyone who thought the Kings could keep Holmes at that number. And it’s certainly not an overpay IMO.
It’s a fair deal IMO, anf the potential to be a great one for Sac.
Very happy for Holmes. We really got lucky that all the other Center needy teams mademoves prior to FA to fill those spots. It left only a few possible takers and the Kings won out.
I was very worried we would backslide at the C position. Monte was patient with this one and it worked out.
Monte wasn’t entirely patient. It seems like trading Wright for Thompson was a trade made for a potential replacement for Holmes.
let’s just hope that trade falls apart.
https://twitter.com/Rich_Holmes22/status/1422393058092593152?s=20
Awesome.
Let’s go! May not change a shitty team’s roster construction, but this is the happiest Kings moment I’ve had in awhile. Impossible to not be a fan of Richaun’s. Dude’s a dog.
Yeah!
I get the same feeling about Davion. I’m excited to watch the games next season.
Yeah…there’s the toughness. I’m open minded on Davion. He’ll have a chance to prove it.
I don’t read a lot of other teams blogs , but I get the feeling that loyal Kings fans appreciate guys that work hard, hustle, and that want to be here more than most. We appreciate the blue collar guy and will shun a better player that exhibits any diva type behavior.. I know that I always cheer for the Holmes, Michael Smith, Jimmy Les, Scot Pollard type of players that work hard and show our city love and appreciation..
It’s mostly because our expectations for actual winning have been beaten so deeply into the ground that we’ll take any moral victories we can get.
I think this also applies to the team. We have people calling a guy a genius for re-signing free agents from a .430 team. I love watching Holmes, and if we have to lose, I can definitely take some enjoyment from watching him play, but the bar for me isn’t “Not Vlade.” It’s whether we’re actually going to win some games for the first time in a decade and a half.
I’m hoping for some significant moves this offseason.
How much disagreement were you expecting on this point?
I’ve said as much. I’ve said larger moves than the ones we know for sure now are necessary.
So I’m curious: Who are you addressing with this type of comment?
Great point, it’s amazing what low expectations can do!
Can’t wait to see Holmes/Queta frontcourt.
Good job Monte!
Great news… Holmes is staying. Now let’s let that Thompson deal die or evolve.
Just please do not make a garbage deal for Simmons… Simmons = no.
Only thing left to do is give Marvin that 5 year $200 million extension, thumbs down if you agree
We should probably offer him like, 5yrs $208 Million extension
(He picked at#2, he should get more than Doncic)
thumbs up if you agree.
On the NBA TV telecast they were talking about all the extensions coming for the draft class of 2018 and how they had to prepare for those big numbers in the future. Doncic, Ayton, Trae etc.
Found myself wishing the Kings had the same problem…
Meanwhile, Sixers have waived Hill for space, and Fox, Buddy, and Marv haven’t congratulated Holmes yet.
Who the fuk is Hill?
Every true Kings fan’s least favorite player in the league.
I don’t hate George Hill at all. I’ve got no reason to.
Good for you. Who said anything about hate?
George Hill is also not my least favorite player in the league. So I guess I can’t be a Kings fan, eh?
Don’t worry about it. I’ve never been a “true Kings fan” as defined in various ways at various times by various “true Kings fans.”
I wasn’t a Kings fan during the Cousins era. Trust me, I know what you’re saying all too well.
You could stand to lighten up a bit.
I wouldn’t mind losing the 70 lbs roll around my middle at all, truth be told. I’m just a bit of a fatbody.
Well played, sir.
MVP Heart and Soul the last couple of years. Now let’s get to work!
Yes! Thank you for staying, Mr. Holmes!
Hmm. Well, I guess Richaun Holmes could be signed using his EBR’s. Imagine that. Who knew? McGenius, apparently. (Yeah, I think that’s funny. Bite me.)
So, lets talk numbers here. This is not a 4 year 55 million dollar contract as some may think it is. In Sham’s tweet, he mentions both a player option AND a trade kicker.
Trade kickers do not get applied to a player option (unless that gets renegotiated and becomes guaranteed) as long as a player option exists.
So, assuming the Kings were to trade Holmes at mid season, with the player option, and assuming you have a 15% trade kicker in play which seems likely, you are looking at some things.
One, you are at looking a contract that looks like this:
Year 1: 10,700,000
Year 2: 11,556,000
Year 3: 12,412,000
Year 4 (Player Option or ETO; doesn’t matter which right now): 13,268,000
All 4 years total to 48,792,000
If you total the 15% kicker for the 2 guaranteed years after year 1 (years 2 & 3), you are looking at 3,595,200$$$.
That’s 52,388,200$$$ dollars in potential compensation. Add in year 3, that’s 54,378,400.
Add in some incentives that are almost certainly considered to be unlikely (If they were likely, that would be seen as cap circumvention and not approved by the NBA as legal), and what you are looking at is the 4 /55 number.
But, likely, you are looking at a 3 year 34,668,000 deal for Richaun Holmes. And that’s assuming he stays all 3 seasons in Sacramento. Frankly, if you get the past two years of Holmes production at that price over the next 3 seasons, A) you aren’t trading him (which makes the trade kicker moot), and B) Holmes is opting out again at 31 hoping for another deal. At which point the Kings have full Bird rights and can sign him to whatever number they can negotiate, and B) it’s probably not going to be for a ton more dollars and years.
The real question to me about Holmes remains two fold. One, can he develop a reliable corner 3. I think he can. The other is can he stay on the court for 75 games a season at 28 minutes a night. That’s 2100 minutes over an 82 game season.
In Holmes career, he has played 70 games just once, and he didn’t top 1200 minutes that year in Phoenix. He played 1700 minutes last season which is a career high, and did so in 61 games at a tick over 29 minutes.
You wanna know why you get a guy for his EBR’s at that low a price? One who has never anchored a top 10 DRtg defense, one who has never topped 2000 minutes OR 70 games played, and one who is a role player who plays off stars. I also might add that I’m giddy to keep watching Richaun Holmes play for the Sacramento Kings. He plays the game the way you should, and the right way.
Sure, the Kings paid a pretty good price. But they paid a good price for a 28 year old whose career years might be in the next several seasons, and they did not pay overpay Dewayne Dedmon dollars to do so based on theoretical fit with a young player who has not yet proven to be a centerpiece. That’s why Dedmon didn’t work; he never played with Bagley enough. Holmes is proven to work in a variety of lineup’s, that’s why he makes sense.
I’d say that’s a win.
Are there other issue’s out there? Yeah, there are. Buddy Hield and Marvin Bagley being on the roster chief among them. But…and this isn’t a little insignificant but, there’s plenty of time to change this roster out and reconfigure it more effectively and around De’Aaron Fox. Signing Holmes to a reasonable fair deal of a contract based on his body of work and not hysterical fans who confuse activity for achievement allows for substantial improvement.
But on day 1 of the moratorium, and I do stress none of the contracts have been signed to, only agreed to in principle, you signed Len using the Bi Annual (which isn’t that useful except for the Alex Len types), you resigned Holmes using the EBR’s you supposedly couldn’t resign him doing so, and you drafted a young player (possibly two) who is likely to help you in area’s that you are deficient in coming into the year.
The work isn’t done. Hell, as I’ve already said, the deals that have been agreed to haven’t been signed as of yet, but that’s mostly semantics at this point. It’s just a matter of getting the paperwork filed and officially submitted to the league front office.
At this point, you did what you could. Maybe they could have got a sit down with John Collins, but maybe not. You addressed area’s of need, and you addressed your major FA with another to address hopefully tomorrow. And perhaps go after others, too. The MLE is still available to the Kings.
The Kings got a good win, and more importantly a professional win. But Richaun Holmes got a lot of money, too. I would say that there were plenty of winners today on a team has not managed assets well and managed optics even worse astounding as that is.
There’s much work to be done, but it was never going to all be accomplished today. The work that could be accomplished was accomplished, and sometimes hitting a solid single is important in the goal of putting up a crooked number. That major deal has yet to happen, but it feels like that’s far more possible as the clock gets ever so closer to ticking onto midnight than it did 6 hours ago. That’s progress, even if small and ever so nominal progress.
This was a professional move done in a professional manner. I’m not giving credit Monte McNair for doing his job, I’m pointing out that’s why you have someone sitting in that chair who has those qualities in the first place. And why it was important that someone, after years of Vlade Divac illustrating he wasn’t capable of doing so, show that it does take nuanced understanding to build winning teams in the NBA. This deal took nuanced understanding.
A step, and an important step overall, was accomplished today. Which is a hell of a lot better than throwing darts. Which is often what the Divac era felt like, and why I had trouble mustering up outrage over it. This, this feels like a gamble went right. It’s about goddamn time. Now I say: More please. I’m tired of rooting for crummy teams. I’d like to see a Sacramento Kings team in the NBA playoffs. Go forth McGenius!
Approaching Kings4ever levels of scrolling needed to finish that dissertation but…
Thanks for the guesswork on the kicker and figure breakdowns
Kingsguru’s sermons can be lengthy.
I break these out for special occasions now. These used to be far more frequent as Richie alluded to.
But I can’t do those on my tablet and I rarely fire up the crapbot aka my laptop. So, I stick to these much shorter comments. That are both more manageable to type and read!
I mean, all you had to do was write one word: Waffles
and I would have given you your thumbs up.
Didn’t realize you had such low standards Gonzo. I mean, I approve. I was just hopeful you had higher standards than I do personally…..
By higher standards do you mean pancakes?
Never! Pancakes are the work of the devil!
(You’re not Satan, are you? Or for that matter Mick Jagger?)
Excellent stuff, Nate. Thank you.
“Okay, now let me reflexively point out that this is a huge blunder by the front office.”
Going to peruse the thread now to get the details.
I’m glad we managed to resign him, good player, outstanding human being. In short: good move by the FO. Now, let’s hope the TT deal falls through.
Step one complete. Now if they can flip Bagley and Hield for upgrades that’d be great. If not, we’re rolling with this lineup. It’s better than where we started last year I think. Improvement from Fox and Hali, and contributions from the rookies will determine the fate of the season.
Step two, go for Ingles.
Nice deal. Glad to have him back on a good contract. Hopefully there’s more to come.
They’ve come a ways and have a ways to go.
“10 miles behind me, 10,000 more to go.” – James Taylor.
Awesome quote! I’ve never heard that one before!
I just realized that’s from Fire and Rain right? Dummy me commenting before thinking!
Sweet Baby James
Slay ’em McGenius, slay ’em! The best way to answer your critics, shut them up, send them scurrying to the hole they crawled out of, frantically checking the settings on their calculator to deem how you swung the math, is results beyond reproach. Signing Holmes for 4/55 is a result beyond reproach.
I thought Holmes was gone? I thought this was Bogi 2.0? I thought retaining Holmes at the deadline was asset mismanagement and lack of foresight? I thought the new GM was no more capable or coherent than the old one? That is what the cap gurus and Doomers told me!
Just like it took balls and vision to draft BPA Davion when we have Ty and Fox, it took equal fortitude and conviction in your analysis to let the market play out with confidence and faith you could still get a deal done. In New Orleans, you have their GM panicking and making one dubious move after another to try to appease Zion and a restless fan base and ownership.
The pressure to win in SAC is equal yet our GM is unfazed. He is up to the task, made for the the moment. And he is just getting started. While David Griffin is firing air balls, McGenius is all net, pure baby pure.
This is also an appropriate time to set the record straight on losing Bogi, the main criticism of the McGenius Era. We lost Bogi for nothing because he got greedy and screwed the team that gave him his NBA chance on the way out the door. The deal with MIL was rescinded only because Bogi saw it so, welching on a good faith agreement, not any wrongdoing by our GM.
Subsequently our GM was not going to take back unwanted contracts from ATL just to say he salvaged something for a fan favorite. This is also commendable, that the GM resisted temptation to acquire something for the sake of it, to not walk away empty handed, knowing in doing so you open yourself up to criticism. He did what was in the best interest of the team long term instead, willing to take the slings and arrows from the peanut gallery.
We are in a better position with Bagley and Buddy now, as teams disappointed in their free agent yield resort to rationalizing the acquisition of flawed players. Buddy and Bagley were never going to be any teams first choice, though in case of LAL and Westbrook, Buddy shouldve been.
Tobias, Siakum, Markennan, John Collins, are names being bandied about, like Moody and Sengun on draft day. What does that tell you?
It tells me the deal to expect is the unexpected, if there is a deal at all. I expect both to be moved, but it will be on this GMs terms, his timeline, with the same meticulous thought and consideration as to drafting a two way impact player, space creator, ball hawk, relentless competitor, and securing the most underrated player in the NBA at a bargain price.
The franchise is in good hands because we have the anti-Vlade in charge, someone who does not blink under duress, choke under pressure, or tap the ball to the three point line instead of securing the damn rebound! He’s not immune from a mistake, who is, but he’s on a mission with the necessary focus and skill. This GM is so good, with such a high self-belief, he retained the worst coach in the NBA and effectively said “we will win no matter”.
You could say that is arrogance or false confidence, but a keen eye for talent has been apparent from the outset, starting with Fox, paying the man before a 25 PPG breakout, then players targeted then acquired or unacquired, but identified as skilled and undervalued: Bey, DiVincenzo, TD, Metu, Wright, Ty. You can also gleen insight into quality of discernment by whom a GM does not want. Rejects include Moody, Bagley, Buddy, Joseph, Bjelica. In addition to this you have a negotiating style and skill that would have borne fruit had Bogi not flaked, did bear fruit at the deadline, and again last night with Holmes.
So there are your components to a GM who knows what he is doing, strutting and flexing, and representing, learning as he goes, betraying the skeptics and cynics. This leads to the biggest challenge yet, getting value for two players you don’t want, and potential trade partners know you do not want, yet pretending otherwise to turn lemons into lemonmade. In the meantime if you do not move Bagley or Buddy, you have changed the team dynamic, there is a new hierarchy, a new attitude forming that you can either embrace or get lost.
Adding Davion and retaining Holmes, bringing back savvy Moe and pick crusher Len, even adding Christie as defense coordinator, helps set a new tone, send the message to Buddy and Bagley, get tough or get out. Play smart or sit down. So before McGenius gets a deal he likes, which we can all hope and pray is in the next few days, the impulse to act hastily can be suppressed, to dump these bums for a bag of chips can be resisted.
Instead of desperation or impatience, this GM can operate from a position of creativity and pragmatism, building on the approach employed so far. Don’t worry, McGenius has got this.
McGenius rides again!
Our former guy Bjelly getting work in the Bay…
Good for him! He’s a contributor, they’re going to win some games and presumably he doesn’t have to move his family, which was important when he signed here originally.
I think this is an excellent signing and value. With the way Holmes prepares and plays I have zero concerns this contract will be regretted.
I also think the Alex Len signing makes sense in conjunction with the Holmes contract. Holmes biggest weakness is that against certain players he is simply overmatched size wise. Now Len can help with those match ups.
Seems like the Thompson trade is now redundant and maybe they will try to rework it. Or possibly flip him with Hield and/or Bagley for a bigger talent.
I like that the focus has been on defense. If they become an even slightly below average defensive team (which would be a massive but sad improvement) they will make the playoffs.
Thank You for Loving Sacramento, Richaun!! Everyone around here Loves You!!!
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