The results are in!
| Team | Selection |
| Minnesota | 1 |
| Golden State | 2 |
| Charlotte | 3 |
| Chicago | 4 |
| Cleveland | 5 |
| Atlanta | 6 |
| Detroit | 7 |
| New York | 8 |
| Washington | 9 |
| Phoenix | 10 |
| San Antonio | 11 |
| Sacramento | 12 |
| New Orleans | 13 |
| Boston (via Memphis) | 14 |
After two consecutive seasons of jumping in the NBA lottery (we’re just going to ignore the Kings-less first round of the 2019 draft), the Sacramento Kings were neither smiled nor frowned upon by the lottery gods this year, remaining in their original position of the 12th overall pick in the NBA Draft. With potential stars Anthony Edwards and James Wiseman almost certainly out of the picture, the Kings will be focusing their attention on prospects such as Patrick Williams, Aaron Nesmith, and Tyrese Maxey, while an outside chance remains that a player of Cole Anthony’s or Devin Vassel’s caliber falls their way.
Overall, the Kings will walk into draft night with four darts to throw at the board, the 12th, 35th, 43rd, and 53rd picks, which rank as the 10th most valuable combination of draft assets according to tankathon. It remains to be seen when the draft will take place, however, as Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN reported a possible delay in both the draft and free agency early Thursday afternoon, which could inadvertently help the Kings find the time to establish a management group before critical roster decisions must be made.
While the Kings may not have experienced the same lottery luck as in 2017 and 2018, they still hold the opportunity to add another key piece around De’Aaron Fox, Marvin Bagley, and rest of the team’s core, as long as the team hires the right personnel to make those decisions in the coming weeks.
With the 12th pick in 2020 NBA Draft, the Sacramento Kings select Jason Thompson !!
I like that I can down-vote a comment now…I read this from HKKF and laughed, then said to myself “not funny”.
Just tell you that I am not the one that “down-voted” you…
I just being sarcastic………
I really thought we were going to “jump”…but once again…disappointment
My first down vote. ð
I really dislike the downvote function.
Did I just drink several glasses of Scotch for nothing? Or, because they didn’t move down, was it not for naught? I just need some justification for drinking this early.
Being a Kings fan is justification enough
Frankly I’m surprised more of us don’t just drink straight gasoline.
To wash down the cyanide tablets.
I dont know why I expected us to catch a break and make a big jump in the draft for a franchise altering player. Oh yeah, we already had that gifted to us.
If you want to make yourself feel better – consider that if we hire a qualified GM – there is a decent chance that we land a better player at #12 than Vlade would have landed with an earlier draft pick.
Here’s Ujiri’s first round draft record:
+ 2011 Pick 22: Kenneth Faried
+ 2012 Pick 20: Evan Fournier
+ 2014 pick 20: Bruno Cabalo
+ 2015 pick 20: Delon Wright
+ 2016 pick 9: Jacob Poeltl
+ 2016 pick 27: Pascal Siakam
+ 2017 pick 23: OG Anunoby
Here’s Vlade’s lottery picks:
2015: Willie Cauley-Stein
2016: Georgios Papagiannis
2017: De’Aaron Fox
2018: Marvin Bagley
And that of course doesn’t include trading a lottery pick to free up cap space to sign Rondo or trading away from Mitchell and Bam in the lottery to draft JJ and Giles.
We need to hire the right GM / front office. But there’s a reason why tanking is a very overrated strategy (beyond a few games at the end of the season). Good GMs generally don’t need to and typically do not stay in the high lottery for very long. Meanwhile, bad GMs keep demonstrating why they are bad GMs.
Who’s Georgios Papagiannis?! Haha jk but please don’t remind us!
Bruno was picked 6 years ago. And he’s still two years away.
There aren’t any franchise altering players in this draft.
I’m not a draft connoisseur, but that just seems unlikely. Has there ever been a draft in which there wasn’t a single legitimate all-star caliber player? I guess I can see an argument that there’s no way to predict which player will ultimately be franchise altering, but that’s different obviously.
All Star and franchise altering are two different things.
DMC was an all star, and it could be perhaps argued (pun intended) that he was franchise altering, just not in a good way.
Hands down the closest modern draft to that is 2000.
The closest to a franchise altering player was Michael Redd at pick 43. Outside of that you could argue for Kenyon Martin, Hedo, or Mike Miller as the 2nd best player.
The draft produced 3 total all stars and one was Jamal Magloire in the East when the team had to have two “centers.” He averaged 14-10 with 1.4 blocks, a 47% FG, and 0.3 VORP that year.
Basically, it was epically bad. Even “bad” drafts in other years tend to be far, far above 2000.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2000.html
2014 is looking pretty bad depending how “franchise altering” you see Embiid, at least until you get to Jokic, the 41st pick.
I guess we’d have to define what franchise altering means. There have been a number of All-Stars I would t call franchise altering. But yes, the better point is probably to say I don’t think there are any players that are, individually, a good bet to be a franchise altering talent. There ultimately will likely be good players that come
out of this draft, I just think they’re nearly as likely to come in the second round as they are to come in the top 5-10.
All Star voting is a popularity contest, and also flawed because it limits the number of players chosen for positions, so that for instance in a period with excellent guards, some big guy gets voted in due to a lack of flexibility.
Do you know that Rik Smits was a one time all star?
So although All Stars are usually pretty good players, plenty of them are not franchise altering.
By all star caliber I just meant top 30-40ish player in the league during their prime. There’s just not a great way of saying that. Basically someone about as good as we expect Fox to be. I guess I just think that’s a player that would alter the trajectory of this franchise.
And chances are there are at least a couple top-40 potential players in this draft. I just don’t think anybody has any idea who it’s going to be. I think it’s nearly as likely to be Desmond Bane (usually mocked in the 2nd round) as it is to be Edwards or Ball. So I don’t think jumping in this draft makes a team especially more likely to find them.
Yeah, the basketball gods only create and hand out so many Magics, Michaels, Birds, Kobes, LeBrons and Lukas … you sort of have to jump on it when you have the chance.
Here’s a fun game. Hypothesize on what Vlade would have done with this pick, and imagine what Dumars will do.
Mine: Vlade would trade the 12, Fox, and a like new Walt Williams Jersey for the #5 pick and a chance to pick Deni Avdija, only for him to be picked at 4.
Dumars: selects Jahmius Ramsey at 12, picks up another pick for Bjelica.
That isn’t fun.
You’re right. I should have prefaced it as, “Here’s a sad reality”.
“to add another key piece around De’Aaron Fox, Marvin Bagley, and rest of the team’s core”
I don’t see Bagley as a “core” anything at this point, the new mgmt team will have no reason to treat him as anything other than a project as he was not their pick and they are not tied to him in anyway. I’m sure the new mgmt team will do the same as most Kings fans and hope Bagley can become a productive player at some point, but beyond that, he is not part of any core.
At this point in the off-season, I’m hoping that Jeffries is the starting PF next year slotted between Barnes (SF) and Holmes (C).
It’s semantics really. I agree that he’s not part of the core (yet). However he is a piece new management should keep around for now and see if they can drag anything good out him. The upside is to high for them to throw in the towel 2 weeks after getting the job.
I’d trade Holmes. He’s a backup center. Although he outperformed his contract, he was ironically the worst free agency signing of the offseason because he gave Luke Walton the option of not playing Giles. And all those memories of being schooled by the likes of Kenny Thomas come back to haunt Luke Walton and he benches Giles. We need playmakers.
Richaun Holmes was easily the Kings best post player. He outplayed Giles in every way. But people are still obsessed over what Giles could have been instead of what he is.
To be honest Giles will not be more than a 20minute a night guy. And even then he will Hurt your team due to his inability to play defense.
Because Giles is 22 with about a season’s worth of minutes under his belt. Why wouldn’t we and the team be more focused on what he could be rather than what he is. Again, why do people seem to keep talking about Giles like he’s a mid-career vet that’s taking up vital roster and cap space?
As for Holmes, he’s a great fringe starter rim-runner on a good deal. A team like the Kings (ie. one that is going to have to make a number of moves before they’re ready to compete) should absolutely be looking to sell high on a player like that.
If the Kings are honest with themselves they should be targeting the playoffs in 2022. As such all moves should be serving that end. Holmes will be a FA next offseason. Do you get a good return for him now since he’s a good role player on a good deal? Or do you end up committing too much money and years to hold onto another role player like we have with Hield and Barnes. Like Hield and Barnes, the Holmes archtype is a nice one to have, but it isn’t the one that’s going to make you a competitor. So, if he has value that can get you a better chance to acquire those impact players, then you trade him. Locking the team into a Fox, Hield/Bogdan, Barnes, Bagley/Bjelica, Holmes core for the next 3-4 years is locking the team into a fringe 8th seed competitor ceiling.
Two things I won’t accept until the bitter end:
i think it makes sense for Harry and the Kings if they bring him back on a one year deal, and trade Holmes. Then just see what you have next year with a front court rotation with Bagley starting at Center, and Bjelly, Giles and Parker (and Len if he’s cheap) in some sort of big man rotation.
Then just load up on wing defenders and/or secondary playmakers in the draft and Focus on development. The defense will probably be bad, but who cares they aren’t making the playoffs anyways. At least you can get a better idea if Giles can develop into a rangy big who’s a passable defender. If you couple that with his already elite passing for his size (and playing more within himself), then he’s almost a poor man’s Bam or Horford type center.
I just don’t see Giles getting the lateral quickness to defend anything like Bam or Horford. I really like watching the kid, but he’s gone.
Well, yeah. But he doesn’t have to defend like them to be useful/good. He just has to be something approaching average.
But, I agree. I think he’s gone and I’ve already prepared myself emotionally for that.
I predict The new Kings GM trading the pick along with some other players(Bogi, Hield, etc) to move into the Top 4.
All 3, Chicago, Cleveland, and Atlanta, are intriguing for that possibility. Particularly Chicago holds some intrigue. I could see them being interested in someone like Bogi and there are pieces there that could work. With their pick, I could see us going for any of Avdija, Halliburton, Wiseman, or Okongwu.
Bogi’s a restricted free agent. Free agency starts after the draft, and Bogi has the freedom to negotiate with any team. A trade could happen, but it would not be on draft day. That means the team that’s interested would not draft a player on our behalf.
I’m still thinking the best way to get value from Bogdan is probably to match his likely COVID-depressed deal, and hold onto him at least until the next deadline.
That’s why I’m more in the “Trade Buddy” camp. Not that I don’t enjoy watching him shoot, but he can get us the best value in return.
if any of these teams hire Vlade in their FO I bet some types of dumb deals like these could be done
Vlade will never have decision-making power in the league again.
Breaking: After a thorough search, Vivek and Dumars have decided to rehire Vlade Divac as GM of the Sacramento Kings.
our job is not to please other teams. Please stop talking about Bogi like a commodity.
He is a commodity.
If he is, we got no-one to replace him. his name should not be tossed around in trade ideas. This is not baseball.
I like Bogi. He seems like a good guy, and he knows how to play basketball. He is no where near the caliber of player who should have a virtual no trade clause.
We don’t have to have his replacement on the roster now. This team is going to turning over a lot players before it’s good. If Bogdan is one of them, so be it.
He’s a starting two guard on a 30 win team who averaged 15 points 3 assists and 3 boards. He’s in back half of his twenties, and he’s not a lockdown defender or an outstanding shooter/scorer. He is most definitely replaceable. If they can get him at a reasonable price I’m all for it but if he’s trying to get Buddy money that is a hard pass.
Why do you hate Bogi? Let him go to the Spurs and get a couple six man of the year awards. No player deserves to spend their whole career in this cesspit.
Also, considering what other teams would want if how you actually get deals done. Nobody’s going to make a deal they don’t think benefits their team.
I understand what you are saying. I just think it’s better as a general rule not to try to solve other team’s problems, not to suggest trading players we want to keep. If you actually want to trade someone, fine, but I think we all like Bogi, we all think he has at least 3 peak years left, we all think he fits in Sacramento, and we all want to see him in a Kings uniform next year. Therefore, we don’t toss his name out like something we’re giving away in a McDonald’s meal deal.
Not a Bogi fan at this point. Can’t defend, and seems to believe that he is a better player than he is, resulting in erratic shot selection and ball handling. Can help another team where he understands his limited role, but will not accept such a role here, and, in any event, the team cannot be successful building around a group of players as defensively inadequate as Bogi, Hield, Bagley and Fox.
Sadly, Bogdan may be the best defender on that list. Eventually Fox should be.
Obviously you don’t trade him unless you think it helps the team in the long run.
I just don’t see it. Maybe if they’re willing to give up a future pick. Otherwise, they don’t have enough to move up unless they’re willing to give up Fox or Bagley.
There might be a way to do a trade with Charlotte that includes Buddy + #12 for the #3 pick plus a bunch of Charlotte’s bloated contracts. I’m just not smart enough to figure out the PPP, and I never know what a fair trade looks like.
I don’t think top 4, but if someone we liked such as Halliburton slides to 7-8, I do wonder if we could package the #12 and something reasonable to move up 4-5 picks.
Would 12 + Holmes + two 2nds for #7 + mediocre contract get it done?
I would much rather buck the trend of previous regimes and draft a wing player instead of another guard/big. Especially in a weak draft where we’re looking for diamonds in the rough.
If we’re going to trade into the 7-9 I’d rather take someone like Okoro or Vassell, or Avdija if he slips that far. Or the Kings can just hope Nesmith or Bey fall to 12. Attaching a minor asset like Holmes to the 12th pick should get the Kings into that range.
Unofficial measurements:
Haliburton – 6’5, 6’11 wingspan
Okoro – 6’6, 6’8.5 wingspan
Vassell – 6’6, 6’9.5 wingspan
Thanks for this. Haliburton is long. He has the potential to play 3 positions.
if he fills out a bit, sure.
He definitely needs to fill out. I’m just pointing out that Okoro and Vassell aren’t really ideal wing sized. They’re essentially Bogdan sized. And we’re constantly complaining about him being undersized as a SF. We may be able to think of Okoro’s strength allowing his size to play up (ala Jimmy Butler), but it’s certainly not ideal. They all kinda depend on what type of SF is across from them.
Well I guess SGA is 6’6, 180, 6’10.5″ wingspan and he doesn’t really struggle to play 2-3 positions. I’m probably overthinking the weight difference.
And I shouldn’t be complaining about the Kings actually adding secondary playmakers for once.
I mean, personally, I rate those guys all pretty similarly. On ceiling, I’d probably go Okoro, Haliburton, Vassell. On floor, I’d probably reverse it. Maybe I’d put Haliburton’s floor above Vassell’s but it would be close enough I wouldn’t argue about it.
Overall, I’m still more a fan of trying to trade back and/or out than up. But I think there are valid arguments all around.
I agree about trading down or out, or keeping the pick. I just think if our new front office is enamored with one of those, it would be relatively easy to trade up to 7-9 and grab that player.
Agreed.
Trade Buddy, Bagley, and maybe a future first for Minny’s pick.
Anthony Edwards does not worth so much……
I agree. He was good in ER, but not great. Also no guarantee he’ll reach the level he reached in “Top Gun”.
You forgot one:
Ok fine. Buddy and Bagley to Minny for the 1st pick.
Fox and Edwards sounds nice. Edwards could be Donovan Mitchell 2.0
We make up for the mistake of not taking Donovan in the first place!
Buddy, our pick at 12, a future pick for Culver and the 2.
They have a younger, better Buddy in Malik Beasley. Not gonna happen
Yeah. I don’t see the Wolves being interested in Buddy. Nor the Bulls. In the top 5 only Charlotte and Cleveland are logical fits for Buddy. They both currently have two PG/combo guards that don’t fit all that well together.
Does Malik lead in the top 3, 3-PT made in the last few years, or is he even in the top 20? James Harden made 299, followed by Buddy with 271, then Damian Lilard. It is interesting to see that Ben McLemore is 12th with 181 and JJ Redick just trails him. Donovan Mitchell is tied with Fournier at 18th.
Jason Tatum is 10th with 189. What you would think is real by rhetoric and stats are sometimes surprising. If you have a player with such a skill in shooting, you’d make him a ball handler and harp on the weakest skill in your trade comments.
The Rest of the one sided trade ideas are obviously just being funny.
Yeah, Buddy has been getting more playing time longer than Beasley because he’s been on worse teams. So he’s taken (and made) a lot more 3s. Beasley’s per 100 numbers are close to Hield’s and since he started getting Hield minutes (because he moved to a bad team) he’s been shooting and making just as many at a Hield level clip.
Ultimately, they do the same thing, at an easily similar enough clip and thus offering roughly the same benefit to an offense to justify the Wolves thinking they don’t have to pay for Hield to do it.
I’d be more interested in trading Buddy and Bagley elsewhere and looking at our 12 for MIN’s 17, 33 and more.
If I were MIN, I might look to trade down a few picks and get more. Edwards is a pretty good fit for them, but Okongwu is tailor made to play next to KAT. I may give a call to CHA to see if I could build something around #3, a future pick, and Rozier for #1 and Johnson (expiring).
Shit-canning Vlade and Peja used up all our luck for a 7-day period. But I’m OK with that trade-off.
This pretty much guarantees the Kings will be the worst team in the West next year. Go get a GM who knows how to draft and nail the next 3 lottery picks to give us a chance to compete in the 2020’s.
Thought the exact same thing. Towns, Russell and #1 pick is superior to the Kings in every way. We will be a top 6 pick in 2021.
Honestly? I’m fine with that. It’s a deep draft and we’re not headed anywhere as constructed today. Keep Fox, if he’ll stay, and see what Bagley can do, if healthy. Ride out the Barnes contract until he can be packaged for some relief. Give Jeffries more minutes. Deal Buddy ASAP. Try to find a S&T for Bogi and a trade this summer for Bjelica. Grab a little relief next summer with the ending deals for Joseph, Parker, and any others acquired. Draft well.
I was talking aloud I suppose. I agree with all that you said. Although I’d rather keep Buddy and use him more properly. I’d like to see Len brought back on a short term deal too. I think he can be a trade asset if done properly.
Len is a backup center, and having him on the roster would give the coach an option to not play Giles. We want Giles on the court. By the way, did you see how James Harden looked like an all-nba defensive team selection when he shut down Len and discouraged him from playing in the paint?
I don’t mind bringing Len back on a cheap deal, but I think bigs like him are about as replacement-level as it gets.
I wouldn’t want to commit much money or lock him into a long deal. If he gets a better offer, we should be able to replace his handful of minutes and role (bigger body banger, sceener) for dirt cheap.
Yeah, there’s no reason to pay guys like Len or Baze real money. Perhaps a small familiarity bonus, but in general you can fill those roles for something close to the min.
I’m sure my affection for Kyle O’Quinn, for example, is well-established.
And their pick next year goes to GSW (top 3 protected), so they will not be tanking.
I’m hoping the Kings draft 1 of these 3…but the biggest pick of the next few years is who will be the GM and what is his vision.
Tank for 2021
I am all in for tanking…….
Like others said, give all playing time to Jeffries, J. Parker…..Giles (If he stays)
Seeing the growth of the above players…
That’s would still be a fun season
I think the only growth capability Parker has left is around the middle.
my brain can somehow imagine a future Kings frontcourt of Parker and Giles functioning correctly (somewhat). The Duke ACL bros. giving up 120 points, but scoring 125.
Did I mention I decided to have beers prior to the draft lottery?
Not sure how much fun there will be if Lose Alton still coaching this team come 2021
Okoro!!!
I’m hoping they draft Tillman and show that defense helps the team more than another scorer.
I like Tillman with our 2nd rounder, might have to move up to the last first rd picks.
It would be a shame to miss out. I don’t think 35 would do it.
Among the 3 items below, most long term impact on the Kings: (1) the Kings taking the time and spending the money to smartly hire a really good GM; (2) should that fail to happen, Kings fans voting with their wallets and sending Vivek packing over several year; and a distant (3) this draft.
A bit off-topic…
If Bagley (2018 draft version) was in this year’s draft…
Which spot will he projected to be landed ? (Top 5 or even Top 3 ?)
Easily top 3, probably 1 or 2.
wow…then that’s really imply this is a pretty weak draft….
There are two strong players who could be great: Edwards and Ball. There are two complete wildcards with big potential, but several unknowns (Avdija, Wiseman), and another few who have the intangibles that have made guys like Ja Morant, Bam, and Booker stand out (Toppin, Halliburton, Okwongyu). But there are not multiple near-certain potential perennial All Stars here, which is what Bagley’s class had. While the jury is still soundly out on him, he was easily and solidly seen among that cadre for his draft.
Here’s an even more fun question … if 2018 were re-drafted, would Bagley go higher than 12?
I’d probably say 8 or 9. Somewhere in there. It would play out this way, in my opinion:
1. Luka
2. Trae
3. Ayton
4. JJJ
5. Porter
6. Bridges
7. Carter
8. Bagley
He still has potential, and when he did stay on the court during year one there was real talent on display. We’ve seen him about 4 times since, and therein lies the problem.
SGA and Robinson.
SGA with 31 points last night. I actually think it’s pretty close whether SGA or Fox is a better basketball player.
Contract status considered, I’m not even sure Presti would accept an SGA for Fox straight up swap. If contracts were equal, he probably would.
I would say Presti absolutely would not do that swap. Even if contracts were equal.
Interesting. I disagree, but I think we both can say at the very least the gap is not very big between the two players. I think a majority of Kings fans would scoff at the deal though, as I think Fox is very over-valued here (which is typical for any fan base probably). SGA is a very good player, and so is Fox.
I just think we’d be surprised what Fox would actually return in trade (as in disappointed surprised), especially when we have to give him a big contract.
His trade value is probably never going to be higher than it is right now.
Again, the Knicks are desperate for a PG and have 7 1st round picks over the next 3 drafts.
Just saying.
As for Fox vs. SGA. I think they’re probably pretty similar in overall impact. I just think SGA’s positional size, offensive versatility and plus defense make him an easier player to build with and around.
And Scott Perry was here when we drafted Fox, so we could probably get higher value there for Fox than others who might want a better shooting PG.
I really wonder what we could get in a NY trade. A very high-end 1st in 2021 plus Robinson is enough for me. But we could probably get more.
I’m assuming Fox would get a rookie extension S&T, so you’d have to include some more contracts. You could do something like:
Fox for Robinson + Portis + Ellington (or Gibson, but may as well not load up on PFs) + 2020 LAC 1st (#27) + 2021 NYK 1st.
Though, yeah, ultimate Robinson, the expirings, and the 2021 1st may be enough for me.
Undrafted!!
With the 12th pick, I think I’m leaning Patrick Williams, future Barnes replacement.
As for what to expect for next year, all 8 playoff teams are better than the Kings, Warriors with a healthy team better than the Kings, Timberwolves (their pick next year also belongs to Warriors no tanking value), Pelicans Suns based on talent should be better, Grizzlies played better this year although dont seem to have much more talent…
We are 1 of the worst teams in the West next year whether we try or not, so let’s go full tank, trade Buddy and Holmes. S&T Bogi. If we get 1 future pick out of trades, hit on 12, have Jeffries or 2nd rounders prove worthy of 3 and D potential, re-establish Bagley, and get a top 5 pick in ’21… That is a true young core!
Without getting into the details, this is the right way to think about the situation, although I am a pessimist when it comes to Bagley. This is a trap that the Kings must avoid, a tear down with Bagley remaining, resulting in Bagley being even more overhyped that he has already been, further inflating his ego and his resistance to the coaching he needs to have any chance of succeeding in the league.
Well the coaching part I agree with because Luke has mentioned him as some sort of special talent already, which he is but it doesn’t foster the discipline a coach should. A good FO would know a good coach, Joerger actually did a great job in this regard bringing him off the bench and being demanding. I feel he looked a lot better toward the end of his rookie year than the beginning.
But as far as Bagley as a talent, he had a very good rookie year, he was great in college, and he does have a lot of potential that makes me believe we can at least turn him into a good player for our team or even value for trade; however, there is still a lot of development needed in his game. I think if he can be healthy this upcoming year and be a scoring option (without Buddy/Bjelica and possibly Bogi around we will need someone scoring those 40 pts) with raw avgs of 17/10, his value would improve greatly compared to now.
If we stay put, I am all for drafting Saddiq Bey. Seems like a smart kid, defends with a high motor, shoots the three at a nice clip, has good length. My gut tells me whoever the GM is will try and make some noise and will pull a trade to move up. Which makes me nervous, or excited, at this point I am having a hard time distinguishing my emotions, but sure, lets try anything at this point!
Kings get: Kevin Knox, Wayne Ellington, Bobby Portis, Knicks 27th overall pick (from Clippers), Knicks 2021 1st rounder from Mavericks
Knicks get: Buddy Hield, Cory Joseph, 12th overall pick, 53rd overall pick, 2021 2nd rounder
Now you have an extra 1st rounder to trade up in next year’s loaded draft. Two expiring deals in Portis and Ellington and a young guy in Knox.
Us trading this year’s pick seems excessive in such a deal. But I agree, I could easily see a similar deal to this.
I feel we’re going to have use it to unload Buddy’s mega deal.
Ludacris. I think you need to look at other players contracts in the nba to see what a mega deal is. Tobias Harris will be averaging 35 million for the next 5 years….
Ludacris!!!
Buddy is a $80+ million dollar 6th man right now. If you wanted a 1st rounder for him then you shouldn’t have benched him. Barnes has a mega deal too, both are not worth what we’re paying them.
U want to give Luke the blame? Guess what, he’s coming back for another season. So what does that mean? Buddy off the bench. Also, Luke misused Buddy yes, but he also proved that Buddy can not do much else except shoot. He gave Buddy the opportunity to be the focal point with Fox and Bagley hurt. Failed. Then he was the secondary ball handler with Fox back. Failed. So $80 million plus for a 3 point specialist? No thanks. Plus he’s an old 5th year pro. Time to cut bait.
If you wanted a 1st rounder for him then you shouldn’t have benched him.
Count me in. Where do I sign the petition.
I think you need to rewatch the tape on Joegers coaching days and see how he used Buddy. You might be going overboard with dumping Buddy for peanuts. The man is a starter in the league period. The dysfunctional Kangz put a starter who’s best asset is shooting into running the 2nd unit is pretty stupid if you ask me. Just because the Kangz made it so doesn’t mean they are doing it right. Poor logical reasoning in my opinion.
and for the record, there is still alot of time before next season. If the Kings actually do get a good GM, he might not like Luke. I wouldn’t say he is here to stay without a doubt.
I don’t need to watch the tape, I watched almost every game last season, so keep talking to me like you’re an NBA head coach and I’m a 5 year old child.
The reality is Luke is getting another year and he’ll be the same player. So what’s your sales pitch gonna be?
“Look what Buddy did last year under a coach that we fired. Btw just ignore his bone head passes, nonexistent defense, $20 plus million contract, and how he complains to the media. Now give us your 1st round pick.”
Luke Walton is an NBA head coach. But that don’t say much.
Sales pitch? No need for sales pitch. Just saying Kings don’t need to trade players for pennies on the dollar just because an “NBA head coach” is not doing his job properly. Pretty simple.
Being an NBA Head Coach isn’t saying much? There’s only 30 of those currently active in the whole world.
The bottom line is our respective values of Buddy Hield are different and that’s fine.
Being a NBA head coach doesn’t automatically mean you are a good coach. Using the argument of “Well Luke benched Buddy, so he isn’t a starter” is a false premise.
I think buddy’s value is just fine. I think people saw a player that was drastically misused and I think most GM’s and coaches see a perfect opportunity to add the biggest commodity in today’s nba to their team from the bumbling ding dongs in Sacramento who don’t know what they have.
this would include me.
accept there’s more to it than shooting for me. I’m not sure outside folks know what we know about buddy and his game. Let’s keep it that way.
I agree with this. There’s going to be a GM out there who will be starry eyed over Buddy’s 3 point shooting ability, and believes that he can fit Buddy into the right system.
thank you. I agree Buddy Hield was misused this year, and he is still a great shooter who can put up a lot of points when he gets hot. Furthermore, given his motor and his declining contract, the Kings can always move his contract later if they have to.
Don’t ding ding.
I feel like a lot of folks have short term memory in regard to Buddy.
When they came out 2 years ago and surprised everyone by playing really good basketball, Buddy was the best, most consistent player on the team. You could count on lights out shooting and 20-25 every night.
So, what changed?
1, his age changed, he aged a year when everyone found out he was actually a year older, 2 his defense has been really bad, 3, he is on a pretty big contract now in a depressed market and 4, Luke Walton has exposed how terrible he is as a ballhandler/distributor. Another thing that rubs me the wrong way is how he will throw the team or coach under the bus to the media.
All that said, he is useful if utilized properly, and I do believe he has value but most likely will have to take back a worse contract if we want an additional asset.
Hield’s deal is roughly market rate. We won’t have to pay to unload it.
It is market value for those who see Buddy as a starter. Which our coach does not so why keep him?
The 12th pick I’m giving no hope in for the Kings to find a gem in this weak draft. Especially with an interim GM running it for us this year. Moving down to acquire future assets seems smart.
Back to the contract, I’m thinking we will have to pay to unload it because it’s a fresh 4 years on someone’s book and flexibility is the name of the game. Especially for the Knicks who want to go big FA hunting.
I’m not suggesting a need to keep Hield. I just think there are a number of teams that would be fine with having him on his deal. If the Knicks don’t, then don’t trade with them.
loving that deal
you’re conjuring FreeCaboclo with this trade
Knox has been AWFUL. He’s gunna need a good development team to have a chance in the league long term.
Buddy is a 1st round pick in a trade himself and to add our 12th for Mavs first next year? Oof. No thanks. Knicks 27th doesn’t move the needle much.
Look I know Buddy should be getting alot of flak for this season. But lets pump the breaks a little and not sell him short. Buddy with Dave was good. I think its fair to say that Walton is one to blame for the team taking a step back and not putting the players in a position to succeed.
Last thing we need is Buddy traded pennies on the dollar and then to only play well for a better managed team. It would be typical Kangz.
Well if you’re going to trade him to a playoff team like many believe will happen (Sixers) then you’re going to have to match contracts thus cancelling the 1st rounder you may get because you’re not getting one along with another $20 mill player. You’re not only getting the 1st rounder for next year but also paying to unload Buddy’s contract and picking up those 2 expiring contracts for more financial flexibility.
Yes this is essentially an offloading of Buddy’s contract, which means we’ll get the short end of the stick, but if we’re blowing it up again, give Knox a shot (literally just turned 21 last week) and look ahead to the 2021 draft.
If not Buddy, then sign and trade Bogi to them in the same deal. Get rid of one of them AT LEAST.
Nope, no reason to give Knox who is HISTORICALLY bad a chance. I won’t go into detail. It’s not pretty. If you are trading a starter on a reasonable contract for Knox who has no value, that’s just bad asset management. We need talent on the team. No reason to trade Buddy for the sake of trading.
Again, on our team Buddy is not a starter. Knox is 21 and has 2 years of “history” with 2 bad coaches. I’m not saying Knox will be good, he may not be, that’s fine, but I’d rather give a 21 year old combo forward who can shoot a chance rather than a 28 year old SG who doesn’t fit the timeline of this team, has proven to be unhappy in his role, always complains to the media, and can’t guard a paper bag.
Forward who can shoot
36% FG / 33% 3pt shooting in his two seasons. What am I missing here?
You might want to google “kevin knox historically bad”
Again, on our team Buddy is not a starter.
Buddy is a starter in the league, no questions about it. Regardless of what Walton feels about him.
No questions about it? Then why did Walton AND Joerger want him off the bench. But if you say no questions about it then I think you know better than an NBA head coach.
Shoot means strictly 3pt percentage btw. 34% and 33% in his age 19 and age 20 seasons? Bogi is a career 37% shooter and he’s already 28. Just give up on him now. There’s nothing to work with there. Playing with 2 straight historically bad teams with 2 historically bad coaches? Give up on him now. Knox can’t play at all.
Fine, take Knox away and you can plug in whoever you want. The main point is unloading Buddy’s contract for a couple expiring deals and a future 1st round pick in a strong draft. If not, then what’s your ideal trade package for Buddy?
Joerger wanted Buddy off the bench?? Please provide evidence.
Lol I don’t know why you are so hung up on Knox. He really is THAT bad. He can’t shoot, can’t defend, low BBIQ. But hey! he’s 21! There is nothing appealing about him. Like I said he’s gunna need a good development team to take him in to have a chance. It’s certainly not the Kings.
I don’t know who’d I trade buddy away for. My point was that Buddy is a first round pick in trade value by himself. Without the filler players/picks, lets look at the core of this trade.
“Knox”/27th pick 2020/Mavs 2021 1st round
for
Buddy/12 pick
Yikes. Kings would be getting fleeced.
LOL
Shoot means strictly 3pt percentage btw
So Knox would become the first player in NBA to never attempt a field goal inside the arc? Got it. This isn’t how it works. He’s not a good shooter.
Where are your implications coming from? Do you make things up in your mind to fit your own arguments only?
Since you love Google, I’ve remembered this article all season.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sactownroyalty.com/platform/amp/2020/6/15/21292391/sacramento-kings-news-dave-joerger-bench-buddy-hield-hoops-adjacent-podcast
“As Jason Jones of The Athletic said on the Hoops, Adjacent podcast, that thought process was percolating in Sacramento long before Walton even arrived, and long before the team’s disastrous loss to the Pistons:
On Knox, did I not say you can remove Knox? Did I say I was hung up on Knox? I said he was a 21 year old lottery pick who can shoot. He shows signs of a jumper in his young age. Ben McLemore shot 32% on threes his rookie year. Man the league should have given up on him because there was no way he’d get better. Oh wait. Man, John Wall shot 29%, 7%, and 25% his 1st three years. No way to fix him. Hmmm Duncan Robinson shot below 30% his rookie year, cut him loose! Yeah, giving up on young players is smart.
When someone says “player A can’t shoot” do they usually just mean 3’s or all shots in general? Just 3’s right? DeMar Derozan is a deadly midrange shooter, but what does everyone say is his biggest flaws? He can’t shoot. So when someone says “shoot” in NBA circles they usually mean the 3 so don’t try to be so literal to sound smart.
Nobody says DeRozan can’t shoot. They say he doesn’t shoot the 3. Which he doesn’t. People say Knox can’t shoot because he’s well below average no matter where on the floor he’s standing.
What point did you make here? Literally defeated your own argument.
Neither does your “article” have anything coming from the mouth piece of Dave. Jason Jones “implies” that Dave wanted to bench bench Buddy but yet for some odd reason he started him all season. I’ll put my money on Dave wanted to start Buddy and acted accordingly.
Dave has shown he would bench players even though it wasn’t the popular opinion. See Bagley.
Dave isn’t a push over. If he wanted Buddy coming off the bench he would have put him there.
Nice try though.
Sixers are officially a dumpster fire. They have a good chance at being swept. 129 mil locked up in Simmons, Harris, Horford, and Embiid through the 2022-23 season. All of those contracts are completely awful. I expect the new Kings GM to have enough sense to go nowhere near that mess. The Sixers window is already closed. No one will touch a 35 year old Horford at 27 mil. Harris will be turning 29 and making 36 million. Paying Simmons 31 mil and he can’t shoot. Embiid will be turning 27 and no smart team pays 31 million dollars for a Center anymore. Unless, you’re Davis or KAT. If Vlade was here, I would be afraid he would get suckered into a Harris/and or Horford Deal. No Smart GM will go near the Sixers in Free Agency.
The sooner this FO realizes we are in another rebuild the better. Get whatever positive assets (picks and expiring deals) you can for Buddy and Barnes and build for the next 3-4 years into Fox and Bagley’s prime years.
Interesting, I’d take Horford, Thybule and there 2021 first for buddy in a heart beat. Horford salary is similar, he fits better (would make BJelly in to a hot trade commodity that’s expendable now), fits great in theory with fox and Bagley and brings an immense amount of intangibles that Buddy can’t compare to.
this also gets you Thybule who is a solid replacement for buddy in 2021 and has some nice buy low upside.
this also gets you an added 2020 first that you could use in trades as well or find a guy late in the first that you ready like.
I meant to say their 2020 first at the beginning not 2021. My bad.
I like this but I think I’d rather have Zhaire Smith instead of Thybule and take a gamble on his development. He has shot well in the G League this season…Thybule just seems like such a zero on offense. It’s like getting Andre Roberson in his prime except you don’t have Westbrook and Durant to offset those offensive deficiencies…ehhh
Is Zhaire Smith still in the nba? if you like him, you can probably pick him up off waivers.
Smart comment. He is in the G-League…rights owned by Sixers. So no, we can’t…
Something along these lines is decent value for Buddy and before I mentioned just Horford and Thybulle, but your right I would either get a 1st along with these two or look elsewhere.
I don’t think the Sixers have any interest in trading Thybule, but they have to to get out of one of their horrible contracts. It’s gonna take future picks or Thybule to move Horford or Harris.
I’m sure they don’t want to trade Thybulle, as you say, they might have to. Brand is probably on the hot seat soon, and may make a panic trade to break things up. I wouldn’t be surprised if they move Simmons or Embiid this offseason.
Crazy how they’ve done nothing to ruin that team the past two years. They’ve burned through all the capital Hinkie built up for them. They’re going to keep making desperation moves and end up in the lottery in two years.
I just hope the Kings can take advantage of that desperation.
Looks like they still own all of their picks after this 2020 draft, so it could be worse. But they might have to shed a couple to get rid of Horford and/or Harris’ contracts.
I’d imagine the Hawks would take Harris along with a pick or two and absorb him into their cap space.
I think the Pelicans are an interesting team to take on Horford if they can make the money work out.
Which may be encouraging, because maybe Hinkie wants to show what he can do if given more time. Do it Vivek!
I agree that the Horford contract is toxic. I no longer think Thybulle is enough of a sweetener to take on Horford’s contract. Kings would need to receive more.
Yes, their 2020 first or their 2021 first.
buddy for horrors and a future pick would be an absolute gift to the sixers and that roster that needs deep shooting terribly bad.
buddy would be their savior. Fans in philly would be so pumped for the 2021 season
The Embiid and Simmons deals are fine. They are both well worth their money. The Horford deal is bad. They’ll have to pay to unload it. The Harris deal, IMO, is the worst of the bunch and one of the 5 worst in the NBA.
I love the fact that they’d have to pay to get out of Horfords contract. That’s why we should capitalize on that. Of they are getting buddy for horford that would be a win for philly. Big time. A 2020 first from them is a small price to pay.
We should absolutely take advantage. Though I’ll also point out that while overpaid, Horford is still a pretty good player at present. Now, the cliff is known to come fast. So who knows how he looks in two years. But he’s a useful player right now. Assuming you don’t try to play him as a PF next to a block dominant center.
I’d go Zhaire, Horford, 2020 1st for Buddy and James.
Make it their 2021 1st, unprotected, and that sounds good to me. I wouldn’t expect the Sixers to be in the lottery but loading up on 2021 picks that are guaranteed to convey is a pretty reasonable asset strategy.
That deal is the albatross of all albatross deals. Remember how big we thought Gay’s contract was when we acquired him? This is nearly double.
Yeah, it’s a bad contract. That’s why there may be an opportunity there. I mean, it clearly isn’t the albatross of all albatrosses. Nobody is prying that title from Wall anytime soon. It isn’t even the worst contract on the Sixers and wouldn’t be the worst on the Kings, IMO.
The prize in that trade is the Knicks 2021 pick.
Exactamundo senor
That said, I wouldn’t attribute any value to Knox. And, I just noticed that it’s the DAL pick. I’d probably try to simplify the trade and turn it into some that includes the Knicks’ 2021.
and, of course, I don’t really see the Knicks being into Buddy. The only interesting player s they have are a SG and a C. If they’re spending assets I would expect them to be going hard after a Primary ball handler.
Honestly I’d be fine with their Dallas pick if they also throw in a lottery protected 1st in another year, but a reworking for the Knicks lotto selection next year would be awesome though unlikely.
Anyway, they were the worst shooting team in the league, they would kill for Buddy. When RJ bulks up a bit, he’s their SF for sure. If they commit to their rebuild, with our 12th pick they can have their pick of Cole Anthony, Theo Maledon, or Kira Lewis.
Yeah, they’re a terribly constructed team with holes all over the lineup. But playmakers are far more valuable a more rare than shooters. Simply putting Buddy on the floor isn’t going to solve their shooting problem without the ballhandlers to get him shots. And depending on projects like the guys listed isn’t likely to get them there, IMO.
Though they are the Knicks, so who knows?
The Knicks aren’t trading their 2021 1st without full lottery protection. Next year’s draft is loaded.
Also, as has been pointed out, Kevin Knox is terrible.
Well if there was ever a draft class to have a late pick in, this is it?
Buddy, 12 and two future second round picks for the 2nd from GS?
who says no?!?!?!
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then we pick Denvi
Um, GS?
I guess so. I guess?
they could make this trade and have 3 of the top four 3pt shooters in the nba all on the same team.
their timeline with their stars is win now, not build up a hopeful good player in this draft which is apparently not a sure fire section outside of the #1 pick.
I don’t think it’s that insane of a possibility that they’d consider this idea.
Um, yes it is insane. First off they can’t just absorb Buddy’s contract of 24 mill as they are way over the cap. So who are they unloading? Presumably it would have to be Wiggins back to the Kings…in which case, if the Kings do that, we probably should get Vlade hired back.
Ok fine. You win. You’re right, the contract thing doesn’t work. I don’t want Wiggins either.
thanks for popping my insane bubble.
Golden State. Without thinking twice.
My bubble was already popped. You guys/gals are right.
the salary addition in GS wouldn’t work out.
Kings could get a lot for Hield. The right team could utilize him like a JJ Redick type and eventually as he ages more like Kyle Korver.
A lot of playoff teams would use him
as a third scoring option.
Then why not just keep Hield and use him like JJ Reddick (it would depends on whether Walton still the coach or not in next season)
I am open mind to just keep Hield as 6th man, but would be welcome and happy to trade him for something like 1st round pick in 2021.
Because JJ Reddicks doesn’t win much without players like Paul, Griffin, Embiid, Simmons, Ingram, Holiday, Zion, etc around them.
Ultimately the question is where the Kings are going to get those elite guys that enable the Reddicks and Hield to stick to their roles and win.
And that’s a bingo!
We can (and should) fret over what to do with our complementary players, but getting that star player should absolutely be our main concern. And next year’s draft is a great opportunity to get one.
All the rest is secondary.
The more I think about it, I’m probably leaning toward a 3-4 year blow it up strategy. Just acquire as many high-end first round picks as you can in 2021-2023 and tank the shit out of the next couple years.
…If only there was a GM available with experience in doing this exact thing…
I really don’t think they have to do that. I mean, 3-4 years is a long timeline. The Nets rebuilt in less time with literally zero tradable assets and zero high level picks.
I think if the Kings were aggressive, they could be focused on winning games and trying to make the playoffs again in two years.
Basically, trade assets for bloated contracts (a couple 1-year) and picks. Flip those for more picks next deadline/offseason for more picks from teams desperate to clear cap space to make runs at the generational 2021 FA class. Make the most of your 2021 pick(s). And you’re ready to start the ascent with a team made up of young high level prospects and a couple close to expiring vets on contracts that can either be moved as expiring the next year if you want to do another round, or simply kept as mentors and waited out.
But are the Nets a championship contender? Maybe with Durant back next year in the East… but we likely aren’t hitting big in free agency like that.
Using last season, they were a playoff team with good young talent without using FA to acquire big talent. That team would reasonably have been expected to continue to improve. Obviously, they would have had to make more smart moves to push themselves up to “contender” status. But I think they reasonably reached “expect to make the playoffs with upside from more.”
The point being it took 3 years for them to return to relevance starting with far less.
Yeah 3 years seems about right. But the point is I think we need to rebuild completely. Which means nobody is untradeable. And I think we’re thinking along the same lines.
Somewhere between the Sixers (4 years) and OKC (who basically never left the playoff picture). But we don’t have the high end assets like the Thunder had. Maybe similar or slightly better to what Hinkie’s Philly team had to start (although they had Jrue).
I’d say Fox is probably pretty similar in value to Holiday when Philly traded him. I’d agree with us having slightly better assets than Philly did.
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