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Kings Trivia: Did you know the Kings could have drafted Luka Doncic?

I bet you didn't know that.
By | 117 Comments | May 16, 2022

May 15, 2022; Phoenix, Arizona, USA; Dallas Mavericks guard Luka Doncic (77) reacts during the fourth quarter against the Phoenix Suns in game seven of the second round for the 2022 NBA playoffs at Footprint Center. Mandatory Credit: Mark J. Rebilas-USA TODAY Sports

The Dallas Mavericks dominated the Phoenix Suns on Sunday, led by Mavs superstar Luka Doncic. Doncic finished with 35 points in just 30 minutes of play, and at halftime he had matched the point total for the entire Suns roster.

But did you know there’s a Kings tie-in to last night’s game? It’s a pretty obscure piece of NBA trivia that doesn’t come up very often, but the Sacramento Kings actually had the opportunity to draft Luka Doncic in 2018. The Kings had the second overall pick, and Luka was selected third.

Instead the Kings selected Marvin Bagley, who is no longer on the Kings roster.

The Kings were in position to draft Luka because they jumped in the NBA Draft Lottery, and the Phoenix Suns selected Deandre Ayton. Ayton only played 17 minutes in last night’s game and seems unlikely to be with the Suns beyond this season. Ayton has been a very productive player, but you could easily argue that both the Suns and Kings probably should have taken Doncic.

Oh well! The Kings will have another shot in the NBA Draft Lottery tomorrow! In the meantime, you can impress your friends with this obscure piece of Kings trivia!

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TheGrantNapear
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May 16, 2022 7:10 am

The saddest aspect of this is that I love watching Luka play, his style of play is just a joy to witness. But I can’t help but constantly think whilst watching a Mavs game that we could’ve and should’ve drafted him. I think all King’s fans have that same feeling while watching Luka play.
It sucks. It sucks being a King’s fan.
I’ll always blame Vivek for passing on Luka more than Vlade. Vlade had no business being a GM, especially after the Philly trade, yet Vivek held onto him for so long setting this franchise back, possibly forever?! Maybe Luka was our only chance to be contenders again, at least for many fan’s lifetimes.
Depressing random stat I saw online to make King’s fans feel even worse.
Luka and Dinwiddie are the first teammates to each score 30 each in a game 7 since Shaq and Kobe against the Kangz in 2022.

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May 16, 2022 9:20 am
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MIT Graduate. Tech Billionaire. NBA Village Idiot.
https://giphy.com/gifs/WbalMZgfgkNgSWKjU0
Priceless

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May 16, 2022 11:17 am
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May 16, 2022 11:38 am
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Heeeeeeeeeeeere’s Luka!

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May 16, 2022 3:41 pm
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What really happened in 2018..

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May 16, 2022 3:03 pm
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Late to the party but Vivek is an ego moron. He’s the one who thought fucking Bags was the way to go. Ha!

Shoulda given up your ownership on that alone Vivek.

And I knew, anyone with eyes knew Bagley wasn’t even deserving of a top 10. And no, he’s not getting better as some on here kept arguing until he was gone.

Fuck off and back off Vivek

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May 16, 2022 7:12 am

Dammit Greg, look at what you made me do!

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May 16, 2022 7:22 am

Greg:

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May 16, 2022 8:50 am
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Greg really decided to corner the unnecessary, negative article market, didn’t he?

Kudos to Greg.

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May 16, 2022 7:28 am

“Hey Kings fans, did you know you were literally in the perfect draft position to draft Luka Doncic?”
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May 16, 2022 7:30 am

I don’t care about Vlade’s contributions to the Kings. We should unretire his jersey. Let the Mavs retire it. Yes, I am salty.

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May 16, 2022 7:51 am
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As long as the Kings continue to remain a bad team, I’m never getting over that colossal failure of a draft selection. It truly set us back YEARS.

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May 16, 2022 8:05 am
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This is one reason why I feel the Bagley over Luka might be the worst draft blunder in recent memory. The other two that are often compared to it are Bowie over Jordan in 84′ and Darko over Carmelo, Bosh, and Wade in 03′. Why is the Luka draft worse, because like you said, it set the Kings back YEARS.

In 84′ PDX took Bowie over Jordan in part because they had their star SG in a 22 year old Drexler. They made the blunder of fit over talent, but I’d argue that rosters were also more strictly constructed in those days. Here’s the rub, the miss with Bowie didn’t set the Blazers back. They didn’t miss a single playoffs after the draft and went on to make the finals 6 years later and again 2 years after that against Jordan’s Bulls. The Blazers don’t miss the playoffs again until the 03-04 season.

In 03′ Detroit took Darko over a number of future hall of famers, but they won the title THE VERY NEXT SEASON! The went on to lose in 7 the year after that and were arguably the best team in the league for half a decade after they drafted Darko. He didn’t set them back, he may have just limited their ceiling as the best team in basketball for a decade.

Sure those PDX and Pistons teams can cry over spilt milk, but they were not set back like the Kings. If Luka goes on to lead his team to multiple deep playoff runs and even a title or two before the Kings sniff relevancy, then the 08″ Bagley draft goes down as the worst due to its crippling effect on the franchise for YEARS to come. It’s already taken down a GM and multiple coaches, and may yet take down its owner.

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May 16, 2022 8:21 am
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Maybe we should be hoping that it takes down the owner! Bagley was really the culmination of all Viveks’ failures as an owner.

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May 16, 2022 3:08 pm
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It was the worst ever, yes. Because Bags is a bench big…that’s it…at best.

And heard the other front office guy-Williams? Who was here and advocated for Bags Heard him on TV this year and he’s STILL saying Bagely will be good. He, like Vivek is stubborn and stupid.

Cost this team so much.

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May 16, 2022 8:08 am
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Valid argument could be made that it set us back decades.

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May 16, 2022 8:19 am
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No argument there.

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May 16, 2022 8:28 am
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Nah. Honestly, it was 4 years ago now. Most NBA teams are able to rebuild in that time regardless of a draft bust. I’m not excusing the Doncic pick. But the 2022-23 Kings have had plenty of organizational time to bounce back from a 2018 mistake.

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May 16, 2022 8:47 am

But the 2022-23 Kings have had plenty of organizational time to bounce back from a 2018 mistake.

Yep. That’s pretty much it in a nutshell. This is going to be a big summer for McNair and Brown both.

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May 16, 2022 2:10 pm
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Gonna be real interesting to see if McNair can make something out of nothing in one offseason.

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May 16, 2022 3:36 pm
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You can put lipstick on a pig, but at the end of the day it’s still a pig.

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May 16, 2022 3:10 pm

Y’up. And the Kings doubled down in idiocy by firing Joeger, in large part cause of no Donci. And then allowed Vlade to hire Puke.

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May 16, 2022 8:29 am
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Valid argument can also be made that the Kings should have just moved past it like the other teams in Adamsite’s post. As J. Reynolds says the King’s worst failure has been the inability to acknowledge their mistakes. Vlade’s last words? “Bagley will still be better than Luka!”

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May 16, 2022 3:09 pm
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Having Vivek as owner has set The Kings back for years-soon to be decades.

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May 17, 2022 3:19 pm
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I was ready to move back to Sacramento for good, until this critical error.
Decided to just stay down here in the Bay and happy to have done so.
I also work for the largest Department for the State of California, so moving to Sacramento ought to have been a no-brainer.

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May 16, 2022 8:53 am
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I’m not a heckling kind of guy, but if I would ever meet Vlade (very unlikely), I would be hardpressed to refrain from making a sarcastic comment about Luka/Bagley.

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May 16, 2022 6:38 pm
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I wish Vlade steps on a small amount of poop every day.

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May 16, 2022 9:21 pm
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Sometimes I forget to upvote comments I like. This one wouldn’t let me pass.

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May 16, 2022 7:41 am

what’s the highest draft slot anyone here has David Roddy?

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May 16, 2022 8:08 am
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I haven’t really put a full board together, but I’d probably have him right around the end of the 1st, early 2nd. I like him. If you’re looking for an “potentially underrated because he doesn’t fit the mold” type, Roddy is a good one.

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May 16, 2022 9:49 am

Curious to see how he measures in the combine. incredibly agile for a guy his size. really good feet. in another thread, you said there’s a big tier of players going from 7ish to 20 something, I think. Would you place him in that tier?

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May 16, 2022 10:04 am
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Sure. Honestly, around that 20 slot I tend to start just listing my favorite guys left, even if they’re being mocked closer to the end of the draft. So, yeah, if the Kings got a pick in the 20-30 range, I’d be looking at guys like Jovic, Baldwin, Roddy, Jalen Williams, Alondes Williams, LaRavia, Koloko, Miller, Kamagate, Procida, Dalen Terry, Jaylin Williams, etc.

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May 16, 2022 12:12 pm

I like some of those guys also. I’ve been looking for another player to put in the Dyson Daniels range and without a clear answer, some of these unique, if not unorthodox, players might be worth a look. Roddy would bring some things the team needs: floor spacing, IQ, playmaking, and another forward who impacts the game. From what I’ve read, his work ethic is tops, not Davion Mitchell’s level, but really high.

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May 16, 2022 7:46 am

But how is his second jump? Plus, clearly Luka lacks the elite athleticism needed to be a great NBA player.

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May 16, 2022 8:10 am

I still remember the reports the days leading up to the draft that we were taking Bagley, I just assumed it was a smokescreen so no one trades up to 1 for Luka. But of course I should have known Vivlade are not shrewd enough.

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May 16, 2022 8:34 am
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From the pundits, Ayton seemed like a pretty solid lock at #1 for Phoenix. I mean, I certainly didn’t have him ranked that way (I had a Doncic, JJJ, Trae top 3) but that’s how I remember all the mocks and conversations working out. Even though Doncic was the top of most Big Boards (ranking by quality), Ayton was the top of most mock drafts (predicting who the teams will actually select).

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May 16, 2022 8:11 am

I know you’re kidding but it’s worth pointing out AGAIN that at least half of the top players in the NBA had athleticism questions.

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May 16, 2022 8:15 am

What’s funny is I can’t recall any NBA lottery pick failing because they weren’t “athletic” enough, but I can think of dozens who could jump out of the gym who failed because they weren’t “skilled” enough.

It makes me wonder of a player’s vertical leap is the most overrated combine stat.

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May 16, 2022 8:25 am
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I mean, I think ALL the combine stats are a little overrated, just because there’s always a difference between __________ and functional ___________. Ultimately, all the measurements are about how that measurement helps someone execute basketball specific skills. For example, it isn’t Fox’s speed that makes him special. It’s his ability to handle, adjust, and make plays AT that speed. Personally, while obviously all other things being equal more athletic is better than less athletic, I tend to look at athleticism as a “does he have enough to let his skills play” kind of thing. Because, as you say, it’s pretty rare for a player to succeed in the NBA just on athleticism. There are some guys that hang around the league for a while based on it (Hi, Derrick Jones Jr.!) but they’re rarely impactful without pairing it with some key basketball specific skills and/or high level awareness.

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I was on the Luka band wagon a year prior to the draft, the highlights against legit Euro competition got me. In discussions with coworkers before the draft they all said they’d take Bagley over Luka because Luka is too pudgy and unathletic. Guys like Harden and Paul aren’t very athletic, but they just know how to play the game. Eye test for me trumps measureables.

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May 16, 2022 9:07 am
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It’s also suggested:
A. They didn’t really watch Doncic much. From film you could see he was, at worst, NBA average as an athlete.
B. Many of us still have a very narrow definition of “athletic.” Luka’s open court speed with the ball, ability to change direction and change speeds, and coordination/balance are all extremely good.

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May 16, 2022 9:14 am

Luka’s issue is body fat, not athleticism.

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May 16, 2022 11:18 am
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Why were you looking at me when you said this?

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May 16, 2022 1:01 pm
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Cuz I gotta be disdainful of fatso’s other than myself, Gonzo.

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May 16, 2022 2:28 pm
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Jimmer Fredette was a skilled lottery pick who wasn’t athletic enough for the NBA. Sauce Castillo to a lesser extent too. Just saying…Kangz can fuck up a lottery pick now matter how you slice it.

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May 16, 2022 8:09 am

I considered trolling TKH with this bit of trivia myself. Great minds think alike.

What is worse is that 2018 turned out to be a pretty solid draft class. I was not high on Bagley that year and had him going at around number 13. And in fact, you can look at that draft and very few players in the top 20 are having less impact in the NBA than MBIII.

This year’s draft is pretty meh. There is no clear #1, although there are four guys that are clearly NBA talent with All-Star potential and very high floors. Beyond the top 4 there are lots of question marks. So no clear #1 prize and lack of depth. I’m going Smith, Holmgren, Ivey, Blanchero as the top 4, in that order.

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May 16, 2022 8:38 am

I twitter searched “Luka playoffs Kings” and this was the first thing that came up.

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May 16, 2022 9:35 am
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I remember watching Dave’s live stream when the Kings were drawn as the 2nd pick and the first thing out of Dave’s mouth was “So, Luka Doncic.” Then like 2 weeks later Grant started pushing Bagley over Luka on his afternoon radio show and the rest is Shakesperean tragedy, Kangz style.

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My most vivid memory of the whole shitshow was how just prior to summer league starting, it had already gotten so bad with damage control the team was leaking and Vlade ended up saying, “it’s ok coach K said he would have drafted him as well at 2.” That’s when I knew the brain trust was struggling hard.

Then I enjoyed listening to peaches fight with people who doubted that statement.

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May 16, 2022 3:12 pm
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All those fucking shills tried convincing us Bags was good. He was shit from day 1 and anyone with eyes could see it.

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May 16, 2022 8:48 am

The Luka fuck up is over the top stupid which makes it feel way worse. The only people who didn’t have the kings selecting Luka were the Kings. That’s it. The debate was Ayton or Luka. MBIII should have never been part of the conversation. God this hurts.

what’s sucks now is I love watching Luka play while simultaneously hating watching Luka play. I enjoy it, my brain feels good and my eyes love what they’re seeing. My gut however aches. I feel sick to my stomach when I watch Luka play a game. It’s an uncomfortable experience watching Dallas mavericks games now.

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May 16, 2022 8:56 am
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I still think Givony’s takes leading up to that draft were suspicious. I’m not prone to conspiracy theories, but it felt like he was working HARD to push Bagley to the Kings.

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May 16, 2022 9:03 am

What does it matter and who cares what his takes were?
Givony isn’t the one making the picks for the Kings.
If our FO was so dumb to rely on Givony for their draft strategy, that is entirely their fault. Stupidity does not equal conspiracy.

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I didn’t say they relied on Givony for their draft strategy.

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May 16, 2022 9:13 am

Givony was trying to help Dallas get Luka is the way I’m reading this take, FWIW. Or maybe just keep Luka outta Sac altogether more likely.

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May 16, 2022 9:15 am
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Yeah, I think it could be seen either way. Or both ways, really. It just felt like he was really talking up Bagley and, at the same time, giving a lot of air time to the “Luka doesn’t want Sac/Dad rivalry/etc.” angles.

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May 16, 2022 9:22 am

I still don’t understand what the conspiracy would be, unless you really belive that FO’s base their moves on Givony’s takes.

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May 16, 2022 9:22 am

One could argue the NBA as a whole is better with Luka not in Sacramento.

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May 16, 2022 9:43 am
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I imagine De’Aaron Fox’s dad becomes like Marvin Bagley’s dad on social media if we take Luka in that he would start publicly calling out Luka for keeping the ball out of Fox’s hands and it hurting his stats.

I actually believe behind the scenes Fox’s people (Dad and agents) were pushing Bagley to the Kings FO because they knew Luka’s ball dominant style of play would clash with Fox. I have no evidence or inside intel on this. Just a hunch.

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May 16, 2022 9:54 am
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What’s all the more depressing with the whole “don’t want to take the ball out of Fox’s hands” narrative the Vlade supposedly spun, is that Fox had a shit rookie year. He averaged 11 and 4 while shooting 41% from the field and just 30% from three. By all accounts, Bogi had a better rookie year and Buddy looked to be the best prospect of the three.

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May 16, 2022 10:07 am
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Sounds like a case of Vlade thinking too highly of his one decent 1st round pick who didn’t even perform great.

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I always feel the need to mention this on this topic which is the Kings failed that day far beyond the initial generational mistake.

One, Vlade likely could have traded number 2 with Dallas, and ended up with either Bagley who he picked at 2, or Jaron Jackson (in the case Memphis picks Bagley), who was a better prospect and player, and a lottery firsts. In the off chance Atlanta and Memphis had picked both they would have settled on Trae who despite doubling a position with Fox, still is the 2nd best player thus far from the 18 class.

And Two, by all reporting on that day Vlade was still debating Michael Porter at 2 till June 21st. Say that was his selection that would have been a 13 pick overvaluation in relation to the pick 2, thus warranting a trade down based on where Porter ended up being picked. If the gap was that small between Bagley and Porter the Kings likely could have got additional future first in exchange for a meddling lottery pick to get Porter. Or even in the gross over-evaluation from draft stock and intel, just picked Porter at 2 and still been better off longterm.

All those realities pail in comparison to simply picking Luka, but would have left us better than how the Kings ended up. A complete abuse of such a premium asset, and a pure idiotic reading of the leagues evaluations in almost every capacity.

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May 16, 2022 9:11 am

He didn’t even have Trae or JJJ in his top 6.

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May 16, 2022 9:11 am

All those realities pail in comparison to simply picking Luka, but would have left us better than how the Kings ended up. A complete abuse of such a premium asset, and a pure idiotic reading of the leagues evaluations in almost every capacity.

It wasn’t just passing on Luka. They missed out on alot of talent in the Vlade era. A staggering amount.

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May 16, 2022 9:51 am
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Yep. We had three 1st rounders in 2016 and have zero to show for it as of right now. All 3 out of the league. Pretty sure Vlade and Co. gave zero f*cks about draft preparation.

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May 16, 2022 8:49 am

I can’t wait until we get to discuss the Samick nugget dropped today. That’s going to be fun…..

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May 16, 2022 9:00 am
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The one about McNair’s contract?

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May 16, 2022 9:06 am

Maybe? The fact that his contract is up after this season and there have been no talks of extension while Brown just signed a 4 year deal. Could the Kangz be lining up, yet again, a situation where they get a new GM who already has a coach signed to a multiple year deal?

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May 16, 2022 9:06 am

Yeah. But more that it was a point brought up by candidates.

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May 16, 2022 9:18 am
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Yeah, D’Antoni was a given. I’m just wondering which other candidates pulled back a little or weren’t willing to interview under those circumstances.

None of this concerns me about Mike Brown mind you. But it would be nice if these self inflicted wounds stop happening. Align McNair and Brown and grey oor some sooner than later. Synergy matters. So does continuity, but not if there’s any synergy.

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May 16, 2022 9:11 am

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May 16, 2022 9:20 am
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I disagree with this, by the way. Extending him now is premauture, IMO, and could be a situation of compounding errors.

I also think the “lame duck” situation for a GM is different – less impactful – than such a situation is for a coach.

Let Monte show that he can assemble a decent roster and that has picked the right coach. So far Monte has done very little, and basically for two and a half seasons more or less kept the Vlade core rotation and coach. Now we have a new shiny star, an imbalanced roster and very little financial flexibility to fill the holes in that roster.

What has Monte done to deserve an extension?

We made a similar mistake with Vlade right after the Bagley pick, for fuck sake…

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May 16, 2022 9:23 am
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Divac should be immediately fired right after the Bagley pick…….

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May 16, 2022 9:43 am
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I disagree with this, by the way. Extending him now is premauture, IMO, and could be a situation of compounding errors.

I also think the “lame duck” situation for a GM is different – less impactful – than such a situation is for a coach.

I’ll never understand you Dutchman. What’s the point of not extending Monte McNair since you let him hire Mike Brown? Are the Kings supposed to have a FO and HC with no synergy ever again?

Sigh. The drama never ends with the Kings.

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May 16, 2022 9:48 am
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Counterpoint: what’s the point of prematurely extending McNair if he’s not good at his job?

Why the rush? Why not see if he can indeed create synergy with his head coach, before assuming that it only takes a contract extension to achhiece that?

The drama never ends with the Kings.

On this we agree, ‘Murican.

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May 16, 2022 10:35 am
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Counterpoint: what’s the point of prematurely extending McNair if he’s not good at his job?

Why the rush? Why not see if he can indeed create synergy with his head coach, before assuming that it only takes a contract extension to achhiece that?

What’s the point of letting McNair trade for Sabonis then? Why let him hire Mike Brown? Why hire McNair at all, for that matter?

There’s no rush. For all we know, McNair will get his contract extended. But synergy matters in the professional world and the fact that on the Ranadive era this is the same story repeating itself is an issue. There’s a reason why synergy matters: It’s proven to work everywhere.

Your argument seems to be that McNair hasn’t built a good enough roster to merit an extension. My point is, if that’s true, why not fire him and then get a new GM? And then let that new GM hire the new head coach?

The fact is, however you slice it, you can’t have this both ways as Vivek Ranadive (and you, Smits, apparently) wants it. You can’t expect a new GM to be successful with a head coach he didn’t hire, a roster he didn’t build for at least a year (and that’s generous), a FO for whom multiple people have left that he didn’t hire, and when the smoke clears he has a year left to do right?

Yeah, there’s a managing style that makes sense. You might as well punch your ticket to complete irrelevancy in perpetuity id that’s the way you’re going about things.

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May 16, 2022 10:51 am
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It’s very simple to me.

Monte got a period of time to implement his vision on building a contender. It’s a period that he agreed to and was aware of. He did very little to implement that vision in the first two years. Next season is the final year of that period. Then is the time for evaluating and deciding on an extension. Until that time, he has the authority to implement that vision.

If he does well enough, you extend him and synchronize his contract with the coach. Fine.

But what if this season is an unmitigated disaster and you have extended him? You just dug a deeper hole. And more than that; you show that you have rewarded a guy prematurely when the best grade he could get at that time was an incomplete.

We are talking about the lack of accountability of this organization, but you are willing to just reward a guy who has accomplished jack shit with an extension??

The fact is, however you slice it, you can’t have this both ways as Vivek Ranadive (and you, Nate, apparently) wants it. You can’t expect accountability if you don’t apply it to your top basketball decisionmaker.

And you have not addressed some issues that I’ve raised, like that a lame duck status for a GM is not the same as for a coach.

And the repetition by Vivek of premature extensions isn’t an issue?

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May 16, 2022 12:47 pm
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Monte got a period of time to implement his vision on building a contender. It’s a period that he agreed to and was aware of. He did very little to implement that vision in the first two years.

So Monte McNair hired Luke Walton? He signed Buddy Hield to that extension? Signing De’Aaron Fox to a max extension was entirely his idea? It was his choice to let Bogdan Bogdanovich hit RFA? He also had to make a decision on picking up Bagley’s team option on his rookie scale contract, but that’s every NBA team so I don’t include that.

I believe McNair has had full authority to draft, trade, and sign whomever since he’s come on board. But he hasn’t had cap space to work with, trading Harrison Barnes is the only semi-plausible scenario that could acquire draft capital, and the ability to do a hard reset is not within his power to pull off whether he wants to or not. (I’m guessing no.) Also, the most valuable asset he had to trade was Tyrese Haliburton. A player McNair drafted, regardless of circumstance.

I’m sorry, but show me where this authority to make all these decisions has come from? Even then, the roster was a mess. There weren’t Buddy Hield trades out there. Fox’s extension at that level would always include ownership regardless of organization and Bogdanovich’s value as an asset was dramatically reduced before McNair was hired. It was then, and even now, a messy organization that doesn’t align itself up with factors that lead to success. Like, for instance, creating synergy between a FO and HC, or, just as importantly, not creating that synergy.

But what if this season is an unmitigated disaster and you have extended him? You just dug a deeper hole. And more than that; you show that you have rewarded a guy prematurely when the best grade he could get at that time was an incomplete.

And what if this season goes well, McNair sees an opportunity to go to another organization next summer after a successful season? Would it be a good thing for McNair to walk to another organization? No matter how you look at it, there’s risk involved. I’d like to see the McNair and Brown pairing be given an actual shot at working rather than hoping you’re going to thread the needle on this one. Especially since your threading the needle a ggid deal with Fox and Sabonis as a pairing.

And you have not addressed some issues that I’ve raised, like that a lame duck status for a GM is not the same as for a coach.

I didn’t address it because I didn’t feel like breaking your comment down line by line. But I also don’t agree with the premise. Players know, and dysfunction breeds dysfunctional work environments. Knowing there’s a GM going to be there for years can help you in many areas from player development, to contract negotiations, to relationships with agents. Continuity, like synergy, has value. That’s why I bring it up so often.

And the repetition by Vivek of premature extensions isn’t an issue?

Other than Vlade Divac, when has there been a premature extension? In otherwords, when has this repeatedly happened? Please enlighten me.

The fact is, however you slice it, you can’t have this both ways as Vivek Ranadive (and you, Nate, apparently) wants it. You can’t expect accountability if you don’t apply it to your top basketball decisionmaker.

Cute Ari. Is this the Dutch or Israeli smartass side of you? Or, do pray tell, both? I do love me a good mashup, after all.

The reality, whether we like it or not, is that Vivek Ranadive is far too often the top decision maker. Whether it’s directly by being involved in a coaching search, or indirectly by setting a budget too low due to the constant hiring and firings, Ranadive’s influence on basketball operations has been bad. And, frankly as it’s so often said by someone like Sean Cunningham, Ranadive’s greatest sin is still trusting the wrong people. Trusting Vlade Divac to run basketball operations in 2016 was a bad idea, it’s not like the idea improved much with age 3 years later.

Would I like to blame McNair for everything over the last two years? Yeah, you betcha! But the reality is far too muddled for that and what I would like is a competent GM, which IMO McNair is, to be around long term. Rather than staking his contract based on the roster succeeding or failing this upcoming season, have a longer more nuanced view on how a GMs job really works. Perhaps out of that continuity and synergy comes success. It seems to work elsewhere. Why should it be frowned upon in Sacramento?

Also, Alvin Gentry is the new VP of Basketball Engagement. Doesn’t that excite you!?!?!?!?!?!?!? I KNOW I’M EXCITED FOR THIS NEW ERA OF BASKETBALL ENGAGEMENT, LEMME TELL YA!!!!!*

* Yeah, I expect him to be on Philly’s bench in 3 months.

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May 16, 2022 9:15 am
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Or how about the James Ham report that part of the Kings coaching interview was keeping Doug on staff is a must for accepting the job.

pisses me off to hear that. I LOVE DOUG. I want him to remain on the coaching staff but it’s frustrating to know that was part of the interview. If Mike Brown wants to keep him, great. If not, that should be 100% accepted.

the only bright side outlook I can take on that is that Monte and the Kings convinced Doug to leave a very cool and high paying job as the announcer for the kings to be a coach. Doug isn’t stupid, he probably realized that Walton wasn’t long for the job and made an agreement/worked it into his contract that he would be on the Kings coaching staff for at minimum 4 years or something like that. Team policy to not release contract terms for the coaches so we will never know if this hypothesis is correct but if it is a true then it’s pretty cool that the Kings stuck to the promise they made to a kings legend.

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May 16, 2022 9:22 am
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was keeping Doug on staff is a must for accepting the job

Why the hell this should be a must…….
Doug is really a nice guy, but I don’t really think he worth staying…...(he did not make the team better at defensive end at all)

Just let Mike Brown build his own coaching staff is the best…….

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May 16, 2022 9:26 am

Because the team must, at all times, be wringing as much fan goodwill as possible out of their brief period of success 20 years ago.

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May 16, 2022 9:28 am

They can still do that by retaining Doug the job as the announcer…

Which I really like that.

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May 16, 2022 9:58 am

2002: “Let me go man, let me go.”

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May 16, 2022 10:08 am
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It is so beyond time to let that era go.

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May 16, 2022 10:36 am
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If the vast majority of people actually knew how close it was for DC to get named head coach with a new contract and Joe Dumars to take over as GM simultaneously you would be amazed.

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May 16, 2022 8:52 am

Per Draft Day Sactown Royalty comments 2018 by yours truly (and the majority of us)

“I am coming to the realization the Kings are gonna mess this up. Take Doncic is simply too simple for them to achieve. I am entering this draft hoping to be surprised, not the other way around.”

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May 16, 2022 9:02 am

My biggest, “there’s no way they do this but…” hot take on that draft was that if Doncic was off the board, they should trade Fox and draft Trae. One of my better hot takes, I’d say. I doesn’t nearly make up for some of my many misses, but still…

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May 16, 2022 9:04 am

Asutue opinions.
BPA would have left Bagley out of the top ten. But Kangz.

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May 16, 2022 9:03 am

It’s time to paste these two pictures again.………..(just never get old)
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p.s. I really wish Divac can write a autobiography to state who really is the driving force behind or who making the final decision to choose Bagley over Doncic …………and who genuinely wanted Doncic in the front office……

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May 16, 2022 9:16 am

Ayton will most certainly remain with the Suns . He is a RFA and all they have to do is match offers which are much less than what they could pay (max) . Exactly what the Kings should have done with Fox . Also, Kings could have drafted Tatum as well if not for Divac incompetence .

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May 16, 2022 10:04 am
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I don’t think that’s right. Tatum wasn’t going to slip past 3 no matter who was picking and his floor was probably 4 with Phoenix at worse. Kings weren’t sniffing Tatum at 5.

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May 16, 2022 10:07 am
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But without Divac’s incompetence, the Kings wouldn’t have swapped with the 76ers, and thus would have had the 3rd pick.

I mean, butterfly wings and all, but I think that’s what rockbottom was talking about.

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May 16, 2022 6:08 pm

Correct ,That is what I meant.

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May 16, 2022 9:20 am

We know, it’s no “obscure piece of NBA trivia,” and we all knew about Luka . He was no obscure European prospect. Kings fans groaned at Vlade’s dumb pick, just as we groan at Greg’s dumb jokes.

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May 16, 2022 9:52 am

Picking Bagley over Luka Doncic would have worked out just fine if Bagley could have only been the player that Ranadive imagined he was.

It’s not Vlade or Vivek’s fault that Bagley refused to magically transform into who they, for some reason, thought that he was going to be. As I understand it MB3 even told them that he wanted to come to Sacramento during a pre-draft interview. How could they not draft him after that??? I’ll bet Luka never even said he wanted to come here.

If you ask me, the Kings are much better off without that flashy, non Sacramento loving show off Luka Doncic.

Thanks Vivek

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May 16, 2022 10:23 am
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My dad has a theory that Luka played Vlade and Vivek so that they wouldn’t draft him. All he had to do, when they met for the famous dinner, was not gush about wanting to play in Sacramento, or play up his ego, or whatever, and those idiots would take someone else who said they wanted to be here. There’s absolutely no evidence for it, but I believe it nonetheless.

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May 16, 2022 10:26 am

This Conference Finals has me torn. I would like for the Warriors to lose so our coach could start soon but I don’t want Luka in the NBA Finals this year. This is the year that the Prophecy predicted the Kings winning the title. I thought I moved on from the Doncic Debacle but if he wins a title this year it would cut deep.

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May 16, 2022 10:43 am
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Ugh, I’d forgotten this was the prophesized year. I’ll be rooting for the Mavs to win it all then, so that everything about the prophecy could be true except for how fucking dumb the Kings are.

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May 16, 2022 11:50 am

If the a prophecy doesn’t foresee the Kings being dumb, then it isn’t much of a prophecy.

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May 16, 2022 10:59 am

Had a flashback after the game about how Napear kept insisting that Bagley was to going to turn out to be a better fit for the Kings than Doncic, long after it was obvious that Bagley was a bust. Napear also had some great moments nitpicking Doncic’s game: “he makes a lot of turnovers . . . ” For a guy that was getting his team into the playoffs, Doncic was pretty mediocre.

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May 16, 2022 11:06 am

See, this is why I come to TKH. Always dropping knowledge and unearthing obscure facts. Thanks y’all.

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May 16, 2022 11:25 am

Did I miss where Vlade or Vivek were ultimately responsible for the Doncic miss? Who made the call?

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May 16, 2022 11:28 am
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Either way, it was dumb for Vivek to hire Vlade and put him in the position to make the selection.

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I really hope Basketball Engagement means he’s coordinating those “Tiffany, will you marry me?” messages on the Jumbotron.

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May 16, 2022 1:11 pm

First off, I begrudgingly apologize with little sincerity regarding my repeating my take on the 2018 Kings Draft.

SuperAgent Bill Duffy, very bright, has a ton of high level clients and has been around for decades. He signs Luka Doncic as a client. By this time, Vivek has shown his cards as a self important billiionaire with more bucks than brains and brings along the wonderfully endearing ventroliquist dummy known as Vlade Divac and his tagalong son Aneel to meet with prospective draftee, Luka. In the meantime, Mark Cuban and Dallas wait on the horizon.

Where do you want your star client to go? Sacramento or Dallas? Cuban or Ranadive? Is this really that hard to spell out? “I don’t think so. It’s a draft, the players and agents can’t chose?” You can think that if you want.

By the by, recall that JJJ wouldn’t even work out for Sac. MPJr was the pick until he just could not pass medical muster. That left MBIII.

Beyond that – the Kings have failed to develop talent for much too long a time to place blame on any draft, even the 2018. The only thing that has risen in the Ranadive regime is Laughingstock. And that is saying something since he followed The Bros. Maloof.

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May 16, 2022 1:23 pm

His father was an issue. So glad we had the Bagley clan to help out this organization.

They were thinking big picture. It is a family.

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May 16, 2022 3:08 pm

Fuck it. I just bought a Dallas hat. I was in the market for a new hat and there’s no way the Kangz are getting my money. I love Luka. My heart cries every single time I think about the fact that he should be on my team. Vivek robbed me of that joy and I despise him for it. But as I watched last night’s game it occurred to me that I have free will and can root for Luka and Dallas and choose to spend my free time watching a good team rather than continuing to suffer. Not sure what the future holds for my Kings fandom, but I feel like I’ve had a breakthrough. Thank you all. This site has been one of the only good parts about being a Kings fan for the last sixteen years.

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May 16, 2022 4:09 pm

i know sports isn’t life but man would I be happier overall if we had drafted Luka and were a contender. Instead I feel so miserable still following this team, it feels like there’s really no hope. Us fans and especially the people who go out to watch this shitshow on a night-in night-out basis deserve SO MUCH BETTER!! 😖

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May 16, 2022 4:33 pm

only consolation is that (at least in my mind) the Kangz would have ruined Luka and we’d still be here lamenting our terrible #2 selection. at least now we can see him flourish in a non-dysfunctional organization

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May 16, 2022 5:20 pm

You suck for writing about this piece of trivia, Greg!

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May 16, 2022 9:58 pm

There’s is no forgetting or getting over it. But the next thing I think of is Portland/Jordan.
The question is who’s going to be our Clyde the Glide? Our Terry Porter? Our Cliff Robinson? Our Duckworth, Hersey, Buck and so on….

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