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Kings 131, Spurs 129: Never in doubt lol

It looked easy early. It looked impossible late. But just when you thought it was over, Malik Monk and Domantas Sabonis willed Sacramento to a come from behind win on their home floor.
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Mar 7, 2024; Sacramento, California, USA; Sacramento Kings forward Domantas Sabonis (10) dunks the ball in front of San Antonio Spurs forward Julian Champagnie (30) in the second quarter at the Golden 1 Center. Mandatory Credit: Cary Edmondson-USA TODAY Sports

SACRAMENTO — Admit it, you saw that Victor Wembanyama was going to miss Thursday night’s game at the Kings and started feeling a certain kind of way. Then you remembered that the Kings were going to be on the second night of a back-to-back after a spirited win at the Lakers and the feeling intensified. You remembered what happened Monday when the short-handed Bulls came to town and all but conceded a loss.

It’s okay. You weren’t alone.

And when the Kings trailed the Spurs 31-30 after the first quarter, having hit on just two of their nine three point attempts, the words “here we go again” almost certainly went through your head, right?

But an 11-0 run to open the second quarter, one spurred by a lineup of De’Aaron Fox, Keon Ellis, Malik Monk, Trey Lyles, and Alex Len gave Sacramento a 44-33 lead. Mike Brown continued to play with unconventional lineups, playing Ellis and Davion Mitchell together for a stretch in the second as the Kings grew their lead. Both guards were solid in their minutes; with Ellis especially shining to the tune of 11 points, including three triples, and two steals in 17 minutes of action.

When Keon steps on the court good things happen,” Fox said. “He’s a defensive playmaker, he makes things happen on the defensive end. He’s a much better shooter than people give him credit for. We have the confidence in him to shoot the ball.”

Sabonis added, “He’s been amazing. He’s poised. He comes out and just plays the right way. Doesn’t force anything. He’s great on the defensive side of the ball.”

Mike Brown spoke to his bench and the lift they’ve given his team a lift the last two games, but made sure to mention that he wasn’t going to make changes just for the sake of change. “At the end of the day, I am going to do whatever I think is best for the team. But I try not to have a knee-jerk reaction. I’m going to try and keep putting guys and this team in a position to win, and if you earn a right to play, I am going to throw you out there.”

A Fox steal and transition dunk pushed the lead to 20 with 4:34 to play in the first half, forcing a Gregg Popovich timeout. The Spurs responded with an 8-0 run to cut Sacramento’s lead to 12, and the Kings entered halftime up 71-59 after Devin Vassell made three free throws thanks to a late Keegan Murray foul.

Out of the break, the first unit gave little resistance, as the Spurs cut the lead to just seven in a scant two and a half minutes of play. The lead would shrink to as few as four in the frame before Sabonis connected with Fox for a backdoor alley-oop and then put the Spurs defense in a blender for a slick layup to force another San Antonio time-out.

But, like a reanimated corpse, the Spurs refused to die, getting within two points with five to play. They would trail by five at the close of the third, out-scoring the Kings 36-29 in the frame. San Antonio went on to tie the game at 103 less than 90 seconds into the fourth quarter and take the lead on a pair of Jeremy Sochan free throws moments later, as they got hot from deep, hitting their first three threes of the final quarter. Their lead would grow to as many as eight as the offense sputtered for Sacramento and the defense put up little resistance in response. It didn’t help when Fox picked up his fifth foul with 6:11 to play and his team trailing 118-112.

Credit to the Kings’ point guard, who didn’t let his precarious position stop him from being aggressive. A driving layup cut the lead to four, and after a stop, Monk found Sabonis for an easy dunk, and suddenly the Kings were back within two with five minutes remaining in the contest. But the worst three point shooting team in the league kept hitting from deep, connecting on 16-34 from the game and 4-8 in the fourth quarter.

A pair of Harrison Barnes free throws got the Kings within one with less than three minutes to play, but Barnes fouled Malaki Branham on the ensuing possession stretched the lead back to three. Fox responded with a 15 footer, and a wild sequence on the other end ultimately led to a San Antonio turnover. But Sochan blocked Fox at the rim as he attempted to give his team the lead, while Keldon Johnson was able to finish in traffic to put San Antonio back up three.

Fox subsequently fouled out on a reach in after Monk’s sixth turnover, putting the Kings in the penalty, and sending the crowd to the exits.

They might have regretted trying to beat the traffic.

On Monday, Mike Brown talked about his team not getting to 50/50 balls. The message was received by Malik Monk, who went sprawling for a loose ball rebound, secured it, and drained a three on the other end to tie the game at 129. Sabonis wasn’t sure what his teammate was going to do in that moment, but knew it would be something. “I didn’t know what he was going to do,” Sabonis said. “He had turned the ball over quite a lot this game, but that’s Malik. That’s why we love him.”

Sabonis stole the ball on the Spurs’ next possession, going coast to coast to give Sacramento it’s first lead since one minute into the fourth.

The home team turned up the defensive intensity over the final 7.1, forcing a rushed three by Vassell and taking away a good look from Sochan, whose short shot clanged harmlessly off the rim as time expired. It wasn’t the prettiest win of the season, or oddly even the most dramatic, but it was incredibly important for a team trying to avoid the play-in with the regular season winding down.

Sabonis finished with his 45th consecutive double-double, and fell an assist shy of the triple-double, scoring 31 points and hauling in 17 rebounds. He was aggressive at the rim and an emotional leader, keeping his team engaged even when things looked bleak. Fox added 33 points – including and Barnes 17, while Murray (3) and Kevin Huerter (0) struggled mightily on the night.

We have to stay the course,” Fox said in regards to his teammate’s struggles. “We talk about sprays to get open shots, we have to be better at that. We have to be able to get those guys in position. Sometimes, just get them an easy one, see the ball go into the basket. Sometimes you see that and the flood gates open.”

Once again, the bench was clutch,; though Monk struggled with turnovers he scored 18 and stepped it up on defense down the stretch. Mitchell and Lyles added nine apiece as well.

For San Antonio, Vassell finished with 30 and Zach Collins — starting for Wemby — had 22. Branham and Johnson added 23 and 22 respectively off the bench. They were out-rebounded 46-36 and out-executed down the stretch, but Sacramento still has a lot to learn, according to its players.

The message going into Thursday’s game, according to Sabonis: “just don’t drop an egg. We’ve done it countless times this year. We beat a top team then lose a game against a lower seed. There’s still a lot to learn.”

“Obviously we want to play much better than we did,” Fox said. “But you would rather learn the lesson in a win than a loss, especially with how the standings are.”

Mike Brown was more direct in his assessment. “Obviously, we found a way to get the win and we will take the win. But at the end of the day, we have to play better than that. We can’t accept the way that we played tonight and think that everything is going to be okay going forward.”

The Kings will look to not lay an egg Sunday, when the Rockets come to town. That game sets up a difficult stretch that will pit the Kings against a pair of Eastern Conference contenders in the Bucks and Knicks, with another date with the Lakers, this one at home, in between.

 

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rockbottom
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March 7, 2024 10:39 pm

A W is a W but the team Defense was terrible . Bench was huge .

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March 8, 2024 12:49 pm
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As a HS basketball coach, it’s actually painful to watch the help defense on our team…like, actually unacceptable shit going down that I would easily bench my players for.

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March 8, 2024 10:36 pm
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I’d love to hear specifics? I’m not always sure what to look for?

And do you notice this horrid D w the usual suspects? Heurter/Monk/Barnes ? Or whole team?

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March 7, 2024 10:39 pm

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March 8, 2024 6:21 am
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March 7, 2024 10:50 pm

Heh, I just knew they would struggle against the Spurs. At this point I just never know with these guys.

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March 7, 2024 10:59 pm
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You knew, or you never know? Make up your mind!

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March 7, 2024 10:52 pm

getting sick of Keegans lack of offensive progression.

Huerter (and Barnes) are the reason why we haven’t taken a step forward. They have disintigrated to non productive players (with Keegan not resembling third star on offense and lack of steady bench outside Malik)

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March 7, 2024 11:20 pm
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Yeah, no you can’t lay any of this on Barns. He had 17 points, and was 5-5 from the charity stripe. I’ll take that from him every night. Keegan just needs to go to the hoop more. If he goes to the hoop he’ll get fouled and his shot should get grooved. KH DIDN’T SHOOT worth a crap, but he did a little of everything else. The thing is with the Kings, they have the best fans in the NBA. They’re not taking advantage of their home court advantage, they better straighten that out before the playoffs.

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March 8, 2024 3:19 am
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HB had a decent game in fact. He made one excellent veteran play that was instrumental in the win and in preserving the clock…which made the following two baskets, and the win, possible.

There was about 57 seconds on the game clock after the Spurs scored their last points to go up by five. Harrison took the ball pall mall to the rim on the Kings next possession, and scored a quick two to make the game a one possession game with very little time used up on the basket.

The rest is history. A savvy veteran move.

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March 8, 2024 3:27 am
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Very true.

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March 8, 2024 6:25 am
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Hey Rik. Once a season I have to ask, usually after I have a short night’s sleep, what time do you wake to watch the Kings games?

Always enjoy your comments. Your earlier one re this game is classic you! β€œKnew” or β€œKnow”’. It’s all good.

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March 8, 2024 7:11 am
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Hey JP, thanks a lot!

This is still a great community with excellent commentary and even a podcast I enjoy (the only podcast I listen to). I even like Greg (but don’t tell him that).

BTW, special shoutout to Jman!
He keeps coming up with new limericks for years now. How many fan sites have something so unique?

I used to wake up for the games at around 4:30-5:00 AM. Now I am a bit later and either watch the second half, or try to watch the condensed version (all possessions) on NBA League Pass before I go to the office. And once in a while there’s a matinee game at a time that is great for me.

You’re still in the restaurant business?

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March 8, 2024 7:53 am
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Wow! Thanks for the compliment (yesterday from Greg and now from one of my favorite posters). Little did I know that I would get international acclaim from doing something I enjoy.

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March 8, 2024 8:29 am
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The Kings Herald Podcast is great. The chemistry, insight, and real takes on the team and the league is a breath of fresh air from some other content out there.

I would like to shout out the The Kings Beat Podcast with James Ham and Sean Cunningham. They provide some different insight and help to fill the gap between the 2 week intervals from the TKH Podcast.

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March 8, 2024 11:38 am
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Well sort of in the food business Rik in a strange sense of the word business.

Jman is a reason I come early to TKH and stay late after games, good or bad ending. Vids and poems are the best.

Kings need to be ready for the Rockets. They stink statistically on the road, however, Sengun is playing well. Domas will be ready I am positive.

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March 8, 2024 6:23 am
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 Harrison took the ball pall mall to the rim

clever!

and agree – HB’s role is β€œsavvy veteran” and he does this well, though he asked to assume that role inconsistently and thus has inconsistent production.

Huerter? his effort is consistent, but his production this season is wildly up
and down, and currently close to unplayable. He’s like an early season offense oriented version of Chris Duarte. (Duarte has looked better just recently, IMO)

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March 8, 2024 6:28 am

UTQ, I can’t argue with any of that. Heurter in particular. I know his performance weighs on him. I hope he has a slump buster game soon.

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March 8, 2024 9:30 am

IMO Duarte because of recent play has upped his trade chio a little.

DCKing
March 8, 2024 7:40 pm

Agreed, Duarte has show signs like Keon and Davion. There could be spark there and that means Kevin should be losing 15 minutes to any of these guys on a given night.

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March 8, 2024 7:44 am
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I challenge you to go back and watch the 4th quarter and see how many actual touches Keegan got the ball in the 4th quarter. I’d bet it’s less than 5. Then go through the game and see how many touches he received in a scoring opportunity. I bet it’s less than 10.

You can’t be upset with a guy with his lack of offensive progression when you hardly include him in the offense. The entire 4th quarter were Fox/Monk iso plays or a two man PnR with Sabonis. Keegan is there to stand behind the 3pt line and use gravity to spread the floor. No fault of his if they aren’t passing him the ball.

Lastly, go watch him on defense, because he is busting his butt.

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March 8, 2024 8:32 am
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I feel like we are watching the growth of a emerging star player who is in the lab:

1st season: 3 pt specialist (rookie record setting level)
2nd season: defensive ace (his isolation stats have been league leading, currently he is 3rd. His Defensive rating is not in the top 50 however at 117.0). He has also expanded his offensive repertoire, adding drives, mid-range and post ups – though only sparingly, which is expected at the 3rd or 4th option (if Monk is on the floor).
what will he add in his 3rd season?

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March 8, 2024 9:15 am

I feel if Monk doesn’t return next season you are going to see a real emergence of Keegan, as Brown is going to design plays and use Keegan a lot more.

He’s kind of in the Markkanen and Mikal Bridges role in that they had in their 2nd years. He’s not quite ready to take over games, but has a key role on a deeper team. I don’t think Keegan should ever be in the #1 spot like Mikal and Markkanen have (wrongfully) become, but he’s going to be a excellent 3rd star player.

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March 8, 2024 9:40 am
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OH Adamsite you and me are really on the same wave link. Keegan has improved in all assets of his game. We all know his ability as a defender but look what he has done offensivelly
. Drives and dunks, drives and pull up shots in the lane. Why he doesn’t get the ball more is beyond me. If this keeps up he might lose his aggresivenous because he believes that don’t trust him. Hope not.

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March 8, 2024 1:54 pm
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I had a thought a minute ago.If Ellis was to play SG with his length and defense that might take some of the pressure on Murray and could open up his offensive game more. Just a thought.

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March 8, 2024 7:45 pm
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Great point, I agree that Keon should play along Keegan. That means that we need to take away about 15 minutes from Kevin, especially when he is not shooting well. Keon play small-ball 3 with Monk and Davion too.

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March 8, 2024 9:26 am
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IMO Barnes is playing to his potential right now. Who kept the Kings in the game with 57 seconds. Banes and his 2. Huerter I agree on. Seems to have lost his confidence both on offense and defense. IMO this summer we should trade Huerter and maybe Barnes. I still think he could be affective especially on the bench. With Keergan you tell me how many touches he had in last night’s 4th. quarter. It seems to me it’s all Fox, Sabonis and Monk.
I really think it’s not Murray’s fault. NO TOUCHES. Also his defence is really reallt good that’s why he’s out there in crunch time. The last two games IMO the bench has played pretty good. Both Mitchell and especiallt Ellis have stepped up. You might even try Ellis at shooting guard and see what happens. He has outplayed Huerter at least the last two games. IMO if he keeps getting better we might have next years bachup point guard. Mitchell is certainlly making a case for a trading chip.

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March 8, 2024 9:29 am
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If Keon can keep developing and insert himself in to the starting SG role, then trading Huerter for a backup 3/4 that actually good, then things will start to round out a bit. Pie in the sky ideas, but may work.

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March 8, 2024 7:37 pm
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Huerter should be capped at 15 minutes per game unless he is hitting 3pt shots at a decent clip. I see signs and evidence that Barnes has more tenacity than Keegan. Also, Barnes shoots the 3 well. KM’s defense is good, but he’s becoming a non-factor on offense. I think the simple solution, that I have said many teams, is that we ride the hot hand. Right now, that Davion and Keon. I’m ok cutting KM’s minutes in game, like yesterday. Even Duarte in short stints has hit shots that KM is not. By no means do we give up on KM, but he has to earn the minutes just like Keon and Davion.

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March 7, 2024 10:58 pm

I love the postgame quotes in your game posts. Really informative.

Was Fox calling out coaches when he takes about running more things for players?

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March 8, 2024 4:34 am
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I didn’t take it that way. I took it as when him and others get in to the paint on drives, they gotta do a better job finding those guys.

We have seen fox and monk go aggressive to the rim, same with Domas, sobits just looking for Huerter/Keegs/Barnes more often.

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March 8, 2024 9:44 am
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Barnes and Kergan already go to the rim if they get the ball. Huerter sometimes will take it to the rim and shoot a mid-range but that’s all.

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March 8, 2024 7:41 pm
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The Kergan you say?

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March 7, 2024 10:59 pm

Week, even a win that feels like a loss is a win…

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March 7, 2024 11:04 pm

Why does defense scare this team?

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March 7, 2024 11:36 pm

LOL

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March 7, 2024 11:53 pm

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I was convinced Vassell was making that 3. Kings owe me a heartbeat! I’m sure I skipped one there

The more I watch the more Ii realize that this team, with it’s +0.4 Differential, isn’t as good as I think they should be. They keep telling me that, and I struggle to listen and accept.

My expectations are premeditated disappointments at this point which, as a true and solid fan, makes me disillusioned or delusional – take your pick.

Fox and Ox are playing great ball, everyone else is all over the place, game in and game out. Happy they won!

Interesting stat: In the month of March (4 games), Davion Mitchell is 18-21 (FG 86%, 10.75 ppg. 16.5 mpg.Wow!
Kevin Huerter (9/29 for 31%) and 5.5 ppg. 22 mpg
Keon Ellis (3 games) 6 ppg, Fg 58%) 16.3 mpg

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March 8, 2024 12:04 am

If we play the plus/minus game (v. Spurs all starters were negative except Fox who was 0)
For March:
Kings are 3-1 (W: MIN, LAL, SAS, L: CHI)
Davion: -11 (4 games)
Huerter -11 (4 games)
Ellis + 32 (3 games)

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March 8, 2024 9:47 am

Game in and game out Monk has did an outstanding job also. If not ha won’t be first in the running for 6th man of the year.

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March 8, 2024 1:52 am

I never thought I could be a bigger fan of a player than I was of Mitch Richmond, back when the Kings were perpetually horrible and he was often the lone bright spot, but I realized tonight that De’Aaron Fox took that spot sometime last year and has just solidified it this year.

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March 8, 2024 4:46 am

Wow, that game had all the emotions. But in the end, they pulled it out. Hopefully they learned some type of lesson that will aid them down the stretch.

Bench stepped up as Huerter and Murray struggled, which is what is needed by a good team.

Keon and Davion played very well in their minutes. They should be constants in the rotation. Duarte can join Mason Jones as a cheer leader for the rest of the season.

But damn, this team has to find a way to stop allowing so many open 3s. It’s been a constant all season that teams shoot so many against them.

Got a win that they needed, as ugly as it was. On to the next one.
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March 8, 2024 5:17 am

Yes, Fox had fouled out, but Keon Ellis was on the floor to close that one out. He was guarding the passer that led to the Domas steal, and he was guarding Sochan on the last missed shot.

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March 8, 2024 7:47 am
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Keon definitely deserves a spot in the rotation, If he can just improve his playmaking he could take over the backup PG spot next season. That being said, I see him more as an off guard.

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March 8, 2024 8:11 am
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I remain confused as to why Keon has had such a yo-yo with his minutes this year. He’s basically ALWAYS doing something positive when he’s out there. Last night even as they almost blew the game he was forcing turnovers and making the right play. Honestly don’t think we win without him last night.

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March 8, 2024 9:19 am

Hopefully, that game against Chicago is the last time we see him as a DNP-CD.

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March 8, 2024 12:34 pm
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I certainly hope so. I’m at the point where I think he’s just good. He’s basically always done positive things with his minutes this season and I can’t say that about a lot of guys on this roster.

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March 8, 2024 7:52 pm
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Chalk up the loss to Brown. Keon playing 10 minutes could have fixed that loss, as White likely would have torched us a bit less.

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March 8, 2024 9:19 am

I noticed at least 2 times when he tipped a ball but another Kings recovered and was credited with the steal. Keon has a knack of just being disruptive with his quick hands and deceptive length. He doesn’t always get box score credit, but to those paying attention he is good. Just imagine if he can develop into a Thybulle/Caruso lite type player.

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March 8, 2024 10:01 am
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He’s 7th on the team in deflections per game after the starters and Monk on only 11.8 minutes per game. His deflections per minute would be close to Fox, and Fox is #2 in the league.

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March 8, 2024 10:09 am
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Wow, that really is Thybulle/Caruso like. If you just swapped his minutes for Huerter’s, he’d be second on the team by a healthy margin. Give that kid some more minutes.

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March 8, 2024 10:11 am
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I’ll also add, he has more than double the deflections per game than Davion, in less MPG. Length does matter.

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March 8, 2024 12:37 pm
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Wow that’s a great stat. Matches what my eyes say as well.

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March 8, 2024 12:36 pm
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Yeah he’s just constantly getting his hands on the ball on defense. Even if it’s just to tip it away and a player gets it back, he’s just a pest. I love the way he plays. Feels like maybe Monte finally hit on one of these 2nd round/developmental guys and it’s about time because this team HAS to win on the margins in order to improve from here.

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March 8, 2024 9:54 am
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Here we go again.IMO if he keeps improving with his playmaking ( He doesn’t turn the ball over ) he definitely has a shot to be next years bachup point guard. And yes at 6’6.5″ he good also be a shooting guard. So far he is showing he can shoot the 3.

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March 8, 2024 5:40 am

Keegan’s development over the next 10 months or so is really going to determine the direction of this franchise the next 3-5 years. If we have a HB+ on our hands, I’m not sure we have a solid 3rd star and MM might regret not cashing in sooner. Yes, HB+ is really really good but he seems to be one of the last really good tradeable asset MM has left outside of the duo. The great Jerry Reynolds loves to say that Keegan is better than year 2 peja, but year 2 peja was 20 years old maybe? Keegan turns 24 before the next season starts…I think this team really needs a 20+ ppg wing that can get or create a bucket. I know that’s hard to find. I’ve always been a Keegan truther but when I look at the last 20 games or so, I’ve wondered if I have Sacramento goggles on when it comes to him

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March 8, 2024 5:58 am
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Keegan entered the league at age 22, Peja did so at 21. Year 2 Peja was 22.

You take your players as you get them.

Year 1 to Year 1, Keegan (12.2-4.6-1.2) outperformed Peja (8.4-3.0-1.5).

Year 2 to Year 2, Keegan (14.7-5.2-1.6) continues to outperform Peja (11.9-3.7-1.4).

I love Peja, but Peja isn’t even in the same ballpark as Keegan.

And none of this takes into consideration Keegan’s clear defensive dominance–imo–of Peja.

Yes, Peja improved later, but future Keegan hasn’t happened yet.

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March 8, 2024 6:25 am
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Yes, agreed which is why the next 10 months are so important for Keegan. Don’t get me wrong, Peja did disappear sometimes in the playoffs with his shot but I wouldn’t discount Peja’s play making ability and IQ which made him the perfect 2.5 banana. At this rate, Keegan is a great defender (not all nba great), an all world shooter, with very minimal play making and shot creation. He’s got a few years until his prime but I think fewer than we’d like to think. Keegan’s a guy you should keep but is he a 3rd guy? I’m hanging tight and keeping my hopes up for year 3 but I expected to see more after the ASB.

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March 8, 2024 6:42 am
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*Daydreams of future Keegan*…

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March 8, 2024 7:34 am
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I agree with Jerry as I remember the early Pega . No hint of All Star . Also Pega had two years of Professional experience before Rookie season .

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March 8, 2024 7:45 am
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Interesting back and forth with the comparisons of KM and Peja. I’m an old school Kings fan, but that doesn’t sway my decision. Peja was an amazing shooter. If it comes down to it, specifically when it comes down to the last shot or if a bucket is needed, I’m going Peja every time UNTIL KM puts it all together. That’s if he ever does.

He has the ability to be Kawhi light with better handles or a typical role player on any team. At some point he has to “consistently ” show up and show out. Being 6’8 with his skills, he should be aggressively dominating.

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March 8, 2024 8:17 am
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Fair enough. We all know what Peja became. But again, no one knows what Keegan will become. Selective memory might be inflating Peja’s early production.

With regards to consistency, consider these per-game point totals over the first 20 games of each player’s second year:

15, 16, 17, 10, 7, 12, 9, 24, 25, 9, 6, 17, 5, 8, 14, 13, 24, 17, 15, 47 = 15.5 points/game

11, 10, 7, 0, 3, 20, 15, 7, 4, 14, 11, 12, 5, 7, 4, 19, 7, 4, 17, 19 = 9.8 points/game

I chose 20 games arbitrarily, but now it feels unfair since now I see that on the last game Keegan scored 47, while Peja never eclipsed 42.

But personally, I see more consistency in the first player’s (Keegan’s) numbers than I do in the second’s (Peja’s). Peja has five games under five points, for example, whereas Keegan has none.

Nevertheless, without regard for the actual totals, and without a crystal ball, which players numbers would you rather have at small forward?

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March 8, 2024 8:28 am
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To be fair to Peja, he came off the bench his first two years. I did not adjust for minutes played.

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March 8, 2024 10:08 am
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Keegan was put in the fire right away. IMO a lot of players could not have done what he has done in 2 years.

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March 8, 2024 11:01 am
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Very good points and I like you brought stats into the convo. You have that advantage.

Who would I go with at small forward? That’s tough man. Peja’s jumper was so smooth. But when Keegan is on, he’s on fire. The thing is, he’s not aggressive enough. With that 6’8 frame, he should be dominating. I know he can do it. He just disappears at times. There are times when I’m watching the game and didn’t even realize Keegan was on the court. I love the kid, but in order for the Kings to make some noise, he has GOT to step it up.

But back to your original question, I’m stuck on who I would put at small forward. We can’t predict the future. We’ll just have to see what Keegan has in store going forward. I know one thing, he needs to play like somebody took his toys from him. He’s too nice.

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March 8, 2024 9:42 am
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 specifically when it comes down to the last shot or if a bucket is needed, I’m going Peja every time UNTIL KM puts it all together. 

Peja with the last shot did not work out too great for our beloved Kings…

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March 8, 2024 9:48 am
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March 8, 2024 11:04 am
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And how is that bait Rob? You know Peja could shoot that rock!

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March 8, 2024 11:40 am
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My response was not to your comment.

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March 8, 2024 12:15 pm
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Fair enough.

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March 8, 2024 10:06 am
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Don’t worry he will. I have a lot of confidence in him.

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March 8, 2024 11:02 am
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Alright…in Jack we trust.

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March 8, 2024 3:46 pm
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I think this was the argument I tried to make. Keegan may very so become the better overall player statistically (adjusted for era and all) but the lack of assertiveness is really concerning, especially his whole coaching staff have planted the β€œKeegan is the 3rd star flag”. Assertiveness is really the difference between him being HB and Paul George. One of those scenarios gets this team deep into the playoffs and the other makes the ability to trade for a 3rd star that much harder. Can assertiveness be developed? Can he be a 3rd banana without it? Peja might not always make the last shot but he definitely takes them. I can live with that.

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March 8, 2024 10:04 am
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I think Huerter is tradeable and maybe Mitchell if he keeps doing what he has the next 20 games. Two dark horses are Jones Duarte and Len.

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March 8, 2024 3:51 pm
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For a legit starter? Maybe for a few upgraded role players but nothing close to what a package around Keegan would have brought in.

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March 8, 2024 6:35 am

This win surprised me. I did pregame predictions off the assumption the Kings would build a 20 point lead and then nearly lose it. When they were down 8 with a few min to go, I didn’t think the team would pull it out. What a steal by Domas – especially after Wisely picked off his pass a little earlier. Happy with a W. Take β€˜em any way you can get β€˜em this time of year.

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March 8, 2024 6:42 am
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Baker, I think maybe Coach Pop telegraphed the Domas’ steal by waving his arms aggressively imploring Collins and other Spur’s players to come assist the Spurs guard dribbling the ball.

I would bet a shot of rye that Domas saw Pop and was ready to swipe the ball. I have no proof of that, but it would not surprise me to hear Domas say he saw Pop urging his players to come assist the Spurs guard…but only one guy knows if that’s true. He is too smart to say anything about it because there is another game on the horizon.

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March 8, 2024 6:45 am
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It’s the kind of play (the steal) you see a guy go for and sometime whiff… leaving the other team in a 5 on 4 situation. At that point in the game, that could have been trouble. Glad Domas was sold out going for it, and props to him for not hesitating when he knew he was going to get it and run to the other end.

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March 8, 2024 10:15 am
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Sabonis needed to make that play missing the steal or not. If he didn’t go for it and played it safe we would have lost.

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March 8, 2024 7:26 am

I was surprised that Vassell missed his shot at the end of the game. I’m not sure what happened, but when he went up to shoot, Murray was a full yard behind him, and the challenge from the front was too late and far away to affect a shooter as good as Dev.

The Kings are good, but not so good that it isn’t better to be lucky than good.

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March 8, 2024 7:35 am

Not gonna lie, I turned off the game off for the last minute. I couldn’t stand another defeat to a lower team after a back-to-back when we had a 20 point lead. Can’t remember the last time I turned off a game before the last buzzer. Maybe I’ll start doing this in close games in the future? I’m 1-0 so far. lol

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March 8, 2024 7:37 am

The Sabonis steal was one of the biggest plays of the year. Friggin legend.

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March 8, 2024 7:53 am
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It sure was. I often think of how durable Domas is and how completely rudderless the team would be without him. I feel the Kings could still win games without Fox. They wouldn’t be good, but they’d still win some. If Domas were out, the team would look like the Pistons or Wizards. He is the most important player on the team, and it isn’t even close.

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March 8, 2024 10:19 am
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In my opnion the trade for Hali wasn’t even close. I loved Hali but sometimes sacrifices need to be done.

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March 8, 2024 4:09 pm
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One day, Sacramento Kings fans will have to face the music with this trade when the β€œyay we made the playoffs ride” is over. Haliburton will most likely be a top 10 player in the league in a few years when Steph, Lebron, KD retire. I don’t know if Fox and Sabonis ever will be in that conversation. HOWEVER, I’ll take this for now. I’ve only seen 6 playoffs since I was 8 lol. I’ll worry about chips later

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March 8, 2024 8:02 am

It is good they won but about as unimpressive as it gets considering the opponent.

I think it is past time to not start Huerter. Let Huerter come off the bench with a short leash, if he is missing shots, yank him. I would start Keon in his place, the team just plays better with him on the floor even if he doesn’t have a lot of stats.

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March 8, 2024 8:06 am
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Dude does look broken at this point, doesn’t he? Hands of Kleine, shooting touch of Okpala, defense of Stauskas.

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March 8, 2024 8:19 am
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lol, Brown’s dedication to Huerter versus the sporadic minutes other (more productive) players get baffles me.

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March 8, 2024 10:23 am
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That’s pretty harsh but recently that;s about it.

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March 8, 2024 10:22 am
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IMO give it a shot. The way Huerter has played recently you can’t go too wrong. He has stats you just don’t see them in the regular stats sheet.

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March 8, 2024 8:03 am

“I thought that I was a serious WC contender –
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March 8, 2024 8:11 am

Well that was Fugly. But a fugly W is better than a beautiful L

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March 8, 2024 8:14 am
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Moral victories < immoral victories.

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March 8, 2024 8:55 am

One thing: Huerter did nothing to help us win, but also nothing to help us lose. All his minutes were in non crucial situations.
Thing two: he’s done enough this year to earn some slack.

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March 8, 2024 9:11 am
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Not being snarky here, but are there non-crucial minutes in a two point game that was ultimately decided when your opponent missed an open 3 pointer and follow at the buzzer?

+/- is not a great, reliable stat, but the Kings were -10 during Huerter’s 16 minutes (that’s 1/3 of the game), Ellis was a +15 in his 17 minutes. That’s a helluva difference. It may be a result of the luck of the draw of the four guys that you are sharing the floor with, but my eyes saw Ellis playing at a clear level above Huerter last night.

The Kings are shooting .369 from deep this year. Huerter is at .366. A negligible difference, but it does show that the Kings are at least no better off when he is shooting vs. the balance of the roster over the sum of the season. So he’s not shooting it as well as Monk, and he’s (again, by my eyes) not defending as well as Ellis.

I’d love for Huerter to return to being pre-2023 playoff Huerter, because the Kings could really use that guy. But I have not seen that Huerter for more than brief flashes this season.

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March 8, 2024 9:24 am
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but my eyes saw Ellis playing at a clear level above Huerter last night.

I could’t agree more. I am by no means ready to promote Ellis over Huerter, but if he can continue to develop this season and into next, he may make Huerter expendable. I still want to see him with some extended minutes. If he can approach 20 MPG, we may get a better pulse on his future.

The best part, Monte has Keon locked up on a stupid cheap deal for the next two seasons. If he just becomes a key contributor in an 8 man rotation it is like striking gold.

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March 8, 2024 9:33 am
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I’m ready to pull that plug now. Huerter’s shooting is too inconsistent for my taste. And for the most part the rest of his game is a negative.

I think Ellis deserves a shot. Seems like a glue guy to me, doesn’t create a lot of stats but does lots of little things that equal winning ball ala Doug Christie back in the day.

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March 8, 2024 10:35 am
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If Huerter can improve just a little over the next 20 games he could be a tradeable chip. I have no problem with that. Just for what its worth I read somewhere that the Kings mightbe able to trade Barnes and Mitchell and 3 first roundes for Michail Bridges. IMO 3 might be a bit high maybe 2 firsts ans 2 seconds. Any comments.

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March 8, 2024 10:39 am
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Yes please!

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March 8, 2024 11:09 am
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That dream scenario would be amazing, but I won’t hold my breath.

Could you imagine Fox, Keon, Mikal, Murray out there defending together? Scary for opposing teams.

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March 8, 2024 9:38 am
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I’ll be interested in seeing what Colby Jones looks like at camp next summer. It’s quite the leap from G League to the NBA, but he’s tearing it up in Stockton. If Ellis can take the next step and Jones can come in behind Ellis…

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March 8, 2024 10:01 am
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That would be great if those two could be the two-headed monster at the SG position. Cheap production which allows spending to fill other holes on the roster.

I really like Colby and think he will be a solid NBA player for a while.

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March 8, 2024 10:09 am
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I am guessing that is the formula for success for many NBA teams, but particularly the small market franchises:
pay/overpay for the stars (Sabonis, Fox)
middle out the starters (Barnes, Monk and eventually Keegan – who you hope to be a star, but get him early enough in the contract to get “a deal”)
pay/underpay for everyone else (bench and glue guys – veterans like Len, Lyles and up and comers maybe Davion, maybe Keon, maybe Colby Jones, etc.)

It’s the only way to compete with the bloated payrolls of the Lakers, Knicks, Clippers, Warriors, Phoenix who can more afford and are willing to pay the luxury tax.

The NBA is between the excessive differential of MLB payrolls and the hard line, hard cap of the NFL. It’s a strain to expect Ranadive to financially compare and compete to those major media and deep pocketed large markets and still grab success.

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March 8, 2024 10:13 am

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March 8, 2024 10:30 am
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I agree on Jones. I am a supporter of Jones. Let’s see what happens.

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March 9, 2024 1:51 pm
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it takes balls to be a Co Jones supporter

(I add that with some jocularity)

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March 8, 2024 10:29 am
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I do like Keon, when he gets playing time good things happen.
But yes, there are non crucial minutes sometimes. I have no doubt that if Kevin hit a few threes then the other team would have just knocked down a few more of their own. He wasn’t good, but far from a factor in how the game played out.
but I am all for seeing more of Keon.

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March 8, 2024 12:28 pm
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Fox was +/- 0, and Sabonis -5.

I still have reservations about reading too much about plus/minus for any given game, although over the course of a season, there are things to be learned there.

Huerter is definitely struggling, but to my eye, he’s working on defense and getting boards, so he’s not a total loss out there. I wouldn’t object if Ellis replaced him as a starter for the time being, and Brown can work Huerter in where he might have an advantage so that he can get his confidence back.

Huerter may need a change of scenery, after all, how many players have come through Sacramento and underperformed, only to go elsewhere and play like an all-star?

Don’t think about it too much, it’s incredibly depressing.

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March 8, 2024 12:48 pm
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I don’t think Huerter is a good match defensively with the starting unit. His inability to stay in front of the opponent combined with the lack of rim protection is a bad combo.

Overall, I don’t think his contributions outweigh his deficiencies.

Start Keon, give Huerter some mins off the bench and if his shot looks off, sit him quick. Keon gives the starting unit more of what it needs; defense, the little winning plays, toughness, ability to affect a game without shots, etc.

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March 8, 2024 10:27 am
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Maybe so but these last 20 games will tell the truth. He is a big part of the King’s core. Hopefully he will step up.

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March 8, 2024 9:28 am

Hell of a game summary, Melissa. A thing of beauty, perfect.

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March 8, 2024 4:06 pm

Reliving the crazy finish

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March 8, 2024 9:36 pm

Drama Kangz do ya thang! A game we shoulda won, then shoulda lost but in the end it’s just about winning. All these guys are pros there are little to no gimme wins.
I like the Keeg Peja comp I’m seeing on here I think they have a lot of similarities. I think Keeg could end up being better or worse but if he’s somewhere near the same I’ll be happy.
Is Huerter broken? Yeah has been since the playoffs last year and even late last season, he flamed out pretty quick in Sac. He makes solid contributions overall but is extremely mid overall and should be moved on from, including giving other guys some of his minutes now but not all of them.
Yes Ellis deserves more run, Len too. The minutes distribution has been too top heavy all year and it’s quite obvious. Monte has put some decent depth on this roster and it’s been underused. I’d rather see Barnes and Huerter fearing for their spots getting taken than getting too comfortable. And I’d rather see these hungry bench guys get some experience and opportunity to carve out a consistent role.

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