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Kings 111, Mavericks 99: Kings officially sweep the Mavericks

Bagley and Wright get in their bags and do all the right things

We are just two weeks away from the conclusion of the 15th season in a row of roasting in basketball hell. Hold on to your butts, people, we're almost there. The Mavericks came into this game on the second night of a back-to-back and the Kings were riding the one-game win streak they started in LA against the Lakers. And considering that the Kings have bested the Mavs both times so far this season, this had potential to at least be somewhat fun to watch. Let's see how the Kings did:

Quick Stats

Outcome: Kings win, 111-99

Sacramento Kings: 111 PTS, 55.6% FG, 39.3% 3 PT, 62.5% FT, 27 AST, 19 TO

Dallas Mavericks: 99 PTS, 42.0% FG, 17.1% 3 PT, 80.6% FT, 15 AST, 16 TO

I wish the Kings could have just played the Dallas Mavericks 72 times this season. With five Kings in double digits and huge performances from Marvin Bagley III, Buddy Hield, and Delon Wright, the Kings remain the Mavericks' worst nightmare. Our hearts all collectively shattered as we watched our beloved rookie exit the game with a leg injury in the third quarter, but the Kings rallied together to pull out the win for their young leader.

The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly
The Good:
  1. Defensive Energy: The Kings showed a consistent amount of energy throughout the night. It got them into some early foul trouble, with five players entering the second half with two or more fouls, but it was encouraging to see them being aggressive on the defensive end. This energy forced the Mavericks into 16 turnovers and allowed the Kings to produce offensively in transition. One of the best transition plays was a Buddy Hield pass up the sideline to Terence Davis in the corner who took two dribbles down the baseline for a dump pass to a trailing Damian Jones who then had an acrobatic finish for the and one. It is this version of the Kings that we all love to see.
  2. The Wright Guy: No De'Aaron Fox. No Harrison Barnes. No Tyrese Haliburton. This did not set up a good scene for the Kings entering the fourth quarter. Despite a 15-point lead, knowing that Luka Doncic was still on the floor gave the Kings a tall hill to still get over in the remaining 12 minutes. But Delon Wright saw things differently - he had eight of his 14 points in the fourth quarter and each one came at important moments down the stretch.
  3. Buddy Shooting: Buddy Hield found some early shooting success as he hit 3-4 from deep in the first half and finished 6-10 for a total of 27 points. It's been well known for awhile now, but Buddy Hield can certainly shoot the ball. His biggest hit came with 1:37 remaining in the fourth to give the Kings a strong nine-point lead.
The Bad:
  1. Buddy Dribbling & Passing: While Buddy has proven his worth as a 3-point shooter, he has yet to show consistent strength in other offensive skills. Buddy had four turnovers tonight and even a few other near turnovers. His passes are often weak and easily picked off and his dribbling consists of mostly east to west movement rather than north towards the rim. My biggest concern isn't that he keeps trying to do more (he did have some success tonight in getting to the rim), but that Luke Walton seems to freely allow him to. My ideal version of Buddy Hield is a 2-3 maximum dribble limit whenever he touches the ball. His shooting is too good to waste time and energy on him trying to create his own shot. Instead, I would love to see Buddy learn how to move off of the ball and find sneaky screens for catch and shoot 3s. But until he has a coach that implements an offensive system for Buddy to thrive in, I feel as if Buddy is unable to reach his full potential.
The Ugly:
  1. Defensive Execution: The Mavericks were without two main scorers tonight in Kristaps Porzingis and Tim Hardaway Jr. This left the obvious Luka Doncic, who averages 28.6 points per game, and the next leading scorer after him is Jalen Brunson, who averages 12.4 points per game. It would seem that the obvious defensive strategy would be to force the ball out of Luka's hands and challenge other Mavericks to have career nights. Instead, the Kings stuck with single coverage on Luka all night. Although a relatively slower night for him (30 points, 6 assists), the Kings suffered in foul trouble for most of the night because Luka was able to bully his way to the line going one on one.
The King of Kings

This one was easy. We got the very best version of Marvin Bagley III tonight as he finished with 23 points and nine rebounds. By the end of the first half, he was already having his best game we've seen. But when Tyrese Haliburton exited the game with a  leg injury, we all wondered who would step up to carry the load, and Bagley became THAT dude. All night long he looked confident, active, and agile. With those three things, we saw him attack the basket with decisiveness and grace at the rim. He still had some turnovers from mishandling and improper footwork, but these were easily overshadowed with his consistent effort and skill. One play that particularly stood out to me was in the second quarter when Bagley looked to attack Maxi Kleber with a spin move but lost the handle on the contact and lost the ball out of bounds. In a game where there were complaints after every play, Marvin Bagley III chose differently and instead immediately ran back on defense. Compared to his draft counterpart, Luka Doncic, this had humility and sportsmanship radiating off of Bagley's body and he certainly outshined everyone tonight.

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Hamlet1989
May 2, 2021 8:33 pm

With this win the Kinds got passed by two eastern conf. teams. Who knows where to find out how the lottery odds actually break-down? I feel like I need to know just exactly what this means… in terms of ping-pong balls.

Hamlet1989
May 2, 2021 8:37 pm
Reply to  Hamlet1989

I was about to edit out my mistake and noticed “The Kinds” kind of fits them.

WizsSox
May 2, 2021 8:39 pm
Reply to  Hamlet1989

tankathon.com

As a Kings fan, it should be bookmarked until Vivek sells the team 😉 Tankathon probably owes half their clicks to Kings fans over the years.

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Hamlet1989
May 2, 2021 9:38 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

Thanks. This is awesome! I can’t understand how I never looked at it before.

WizsSox
May 2, 2021 11:55 pm
Reply to  Hamlet1989

Your happy now…but 5 years from now when you have clicked for the 5,000th time trying to figure how the Kings can move up, you’ll wish you never saw it. Hahaha

RowJimmy
May 2, 2021 9:42 pm
Reply to  WizsSox

Book it or stamp it or whatever. Agreed Kings fans deserve residuals from this site

Jman1949
May 2, 2021 8:40 pm

In what is already a lost season, there is no need for Tyrese to rush back

Tyrese:

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TerzoM
May 2, 2021 8:42 pm

The new guys seems to start to gel. Lose Walton may yet see another season

Otis
May 2, 2021 8:52 pm
Reply to  TerzoM

This team lost by 50 at home a few days back.

satdawg
May 2, 2021 9:10 pm
Reply to  Otis

There’s been plenty of 40 and 50 point losses this season lol it’s one game in a long season

RikSmits
May 2, 2021 11:59 pm
Reply to  satdawg

But look how Luke got them to rebound from that loss, even without Barnes and Fox! We are clearly on the right track
Can’t you imagine Vivek saying this to Monte shortly after reading the profit & loss statements? I can.

Otis
May 3, 2021 7:40 am
Reply to  satdawg

Right, but I am supposed to put a lot of credence in the last two games?

Maybe we should just look at the season as a whole and avoid small sample sizes.

Gregoryl
May 3, 2021 9:08 am
Reply to  Otis

No, you and no one should. But none of us own the team. I remember the team having a nice little win streak before the trade deadline kept a lot of players around when most of us knew they should have been traded.

Kingsguru21
May 3, 2021 7:02 am
Reply to  Otis

There’s been plenty of 50+ losses around the league this year. It’s not just the Kings who have lost by that margin.

Kingsguru21
May 3, 2021 7:19 am
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Not the only one this season but it stuck out to me: OKC lost at home to Indiana by 57 last Thursday. I remember Dallas losing to the Clippers by 51 early in the season. These losses are up league wide, it doesn’t mean much IMO.

Otis
May 3, 2021 7:39 am
Reply to  Kingsguru21

In the context of this particular question, I think it does mean something. Am I really supposed to believe that this team is rallying around Luke Walton?

Kingsguru21
May 3, 2021 8:27 am
Reply to  Otis

I have no idea what you should believe. I just don’t think these lopsided losses mean as much given the frequency around the league.

Otis
May 3, 2021 8:57 am
Reply to  Kingsguru21

I don’t think they mean much either. That’s really the context of the discussion, that these individual games don’t really tell us much.

Gregoryl
May 3, 2021 9:12 am
Reply to  Kingsguru21

How many times have we been bamboozled by the last 20 games of the season? When the team is already eliminated from the playoffs, have zero pressure on them, and squeeze out a few
meaningless wins. This is where we are, these are meaningless wins. Hopefully, Monte and Vivek will pay attention to the part of the season where the games meant something, and this squad failed miserably.

Otis
May 3, 2021 7:38 am
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Absolutely. And there are plenty of bad teams who have won a few games in a row.

Kingsguru21
May 3, 2021 8:30 am
Reply to  Otis

I don’t know where I’ve argued this is a good team. Certainly good pieces moving forward, but this is a very incomplete group overall. And that isn’t especially surprising, I said this team would struggle defensively at the beginning. I’m more surprised they might top 30 wins than anything.

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 9:38 am
Reply to  Kingsguru21

I think Otis and I both predicted 31 wins. Just need them to finish 4-4 baby!

Otis
May 3, 2021 9:54 am
Reply to  RORDOG

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1951
May 3, 2021 10:16 am
Reply to  Otis

It gets tiring and boring being able to so easily predict this franchise!

I mean, in the last 15 years they exceeded expectations once? That lone 39 win season in Joerger’s last year when most though they would win about 25 games?

Gregoryl
May 3, 2021 9:05 am
Reply to  Otis

I’m sure we all 100% agree with you, but we all know these are the 2 games that Vivek will bring up at season’s end when decisions need to be made. “Remember those 2 games where we beat LeBron, AD and Luka in the same weekend?! These guys are finally finding their groove!”

Otis
May 3, 2021 9:14 am
Reply to  Gregoryl

Yeah, I think that gets to the question of how much control Vivek has over process. I’m hoping McNair wouldn’t be fooled by a few wins against disinterested teams.

Gregoryl
May 3, 2021 9:46 am
Reply to  Otis

The trade deadline moves (or lack of) makes me think Vivek is still heavily involved. If that was Monte’s decision, then we have bigger problems. I can’t wait for this offseason, mainly b/c we will get a clear picture of who is running the show:

  • Monte creates financial flexibility and gathers assets, Luke gets replaced by a competent coach or
  • Vivek pushing for the 8th seed again next season by keeping the current roster around and saving bucks by keeping Luke around
RORDOG
May 3, 2021 9:35 am
Reply to  Gregoryl

8 games left, and the Kings still aren’t technically eliminated from the playoffs! This is basically the same point in the season as when they entered the bubble. The Spurs have lost 3 in a row! The Kings have 3 remaining games against OKC! 1 game against the Spurs! Their last game of the season could be meaningless to the Jazz, so they bench their starters! Walton may be going down, but he’s going down fighting!

(lol jk they’ll finish 3-5, and get the 9th highest lottery odds)

TerzoM
May 3, 2021 11:47 am
Reply to  RORDOG

A “strong” finish will make Monte’s job more difficult. Vivek RUINdive will have ammunition for Lose Walton’s “let’s give it one more try”

Jman1949
May 2, 2021 8:49 pm

The Mavs still haven’t figured out what hit them!

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Cash_Considerations
May 2, 2021 8:51 pm

Relative newcomer here.  Love this site. Thanks for letting me crash the party.

I’ve been listening to the opposing team’s TV announcers the past few games.  In each broadcast, the announcers have made comments along the lines of: “You look at the Kings roster and you can’t figure out why they have such a bad record.”

I know I’m in the minority here, but I agree with the out-of-town broadcasters.  If Fox and Barnes are playing, and you add Tyrese (hope he’s OK), Holmes, Bagley, Buddy (not consistent, of course, but OK he is an elite shooter), Wright, Davis, Metu, Jones, and Harkless, is this team REALLY so much worse than, say, the Mavericks?

The problem is the coaching.  Full Stop.  Period. This team should not be a bottom-feeder.  Walton seems to have no passion, doesn’t seem to understand what making an in-game adjustment is, and he doesn’t hold his players accountable.  He’s the only coach I’ve seen who can watch his team lose 7 games in a row and choose to NOT make any lineup changes.  And his postgame speech after a loss is like watching a bad remake of “Groundhog Day”:  “Our guys need to play with more intensity,” “we didn’t suck as much in one period, so we need to do that more often,” and “we’re gonna look at the film.”

I can’t help wondering what this year’s record would be if we had a coach like Terry Stotts or Quin Snyder.  But OK I would be satisfied with almost anyone who would at least show a tiny bit of passion and hold players accountable.  I’ll keep dreaming.

Otis
May 2, 2021 8:53 pm

Yeah, agree that this roster isn’t as bad as many think – we just don’t have the superstar level talent needed to really compete in the West. Oh, and as you noted, we need an upgrade on the coaching side.

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RORDOG
May 2, 2021 10:07 pm
Reply to  Otis

Fox is a superstar tho

Otis
May 3, 2021 6:50 am
Reply to  RORDOG

Sure, sure.

Kingsguru21
May 3, 2021 7:03 am
Reply to  Otis

Is too. You’re just a stubborn dumbass platypus who can’t admit he’s wrong.

Otis
May 3, 2021 7:36 am
Reply to  Kingsguru21

I feel like I’m back in the Cousins era.

Kingsguru21
May 3, 2021 8:24 am
Reply to  Otis

Except this time you’re wrong.

Otis
May 3, 2021 9:03 am
Reply to  Kingsguru21

Nah, I’m not wrong – I don’t think you can start talking about him being a superstar until (1) he makes an All-Star team, and (2) his team isn’t outscored by 4.5 points per 100 possessions when he’s on the floor.

I do think he has a higher ceiling than Cousins, and he has improved somewhat this season. So I could see him getting to that All-Star level, but it’s a big jump from that to superstar status.

1951
May 3, 2021 10:02 am
Reply to  Otis

I’ll need some examples of superstars whose presence on the team fails to elevate the team to even mediocre NBA status.

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 10:23 am
Reply to  1951

I just think the term is meaningless, so it’s fun throwing it out there. He’s basically top 20-ish right now in terms of overall impact. Top 10 is attainable if he can evolve as a shooter, and figure out how to be more consistent on the defensive end of the floor.

1951
May 3, 2021 10:30 am
Reply to  RORDOG

I agree that the term is largely meaningless and also overused (Fox being case in point! 😉 )

“attainable.”

That’s the key word for me. He has potential to be a high impact player. So far though, he is a really good player whose good play on the court has translated into very little team success.

Before this devolves into a parade of “it’s not all his fault,” of course it’s not all his fault. He can’t carry a bad team into the playoffs or a mediocre team into a conference finals all by himself! Come on, that wouldn’t be fair to put that kind of expectation or burden on him. It’s not like we are asking him to be a superstar or something! 😉

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Otis
May 3, 2021 10:49 am
Reply to  1951

Yeah, blaming the teammates for his lack of success is really the defining argument AGAINST him being a superstar.

RikSmits
May 3, 2021 10:41 am
Reply to  RORDOG

According to this graph, he isn’t top 30 yet.

Otis
May 3, 2021 10:48 am
Reply to  RORDOG

Nah, this is the RPM thing gone amok. Duncan Robinson, Clint Capela and Lonzo Ball aren’t superstars either.

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 12:07 pm
Reply to  Otis

I don’t really believe you should judge scoring guards based on how their advanced stats look from a defensive perspective. I don’t think they really know how to isolate a player’s defensive impact when they play on a team that’s bad definsively, and carry that much of an offensive load. Put Fox on the Sixers, and the defensive metrics look better through osmosis. This is one of those things that does require “watching the tape” IMO. Fox has the “superstar” ability to take over any game, and look like the best offensive player on the floor. He does need to be more consistent defensively, but the stats are going to look artificially bad for any player on a really bad defensive team.

Otis
May 3, 2021 12:16 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

Your statement above was that Fox is a superstar player. Not “potential” superstar, which seems more acceptable/arguable.

Regardless of the defensive debate, a superstar basketball player doesn’t have a negative net rating over the course of a full season.

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 12:27 pm
Reply to  Otis

How ’bout we compromise and say Fox will be a superstar if he continues on his current developmental trajectory? To me, that means he’s always been a superstar, but just not fully formed. I get why some folks would prefer wait-and-see approach though.

Also, net ratings can be deceiving obviously. If the coaching staff feels like they need to use Fox with some garbage lineups, then that will artificially deflate his on/off numbers. In the ~800 minutes he’s played with the starters/finishers the team’s net rating is >7.

Otis
May 3, 2021 12:35 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

How ’bout we compromise and say Fox will be a superstar if he continues on his current developmental trajectory?

Nope. Next season is season 5. He needs to make a big leap, not another small one.

As far as net ratings – true superstar players don’t have a large negative net rating over the course of a basketball season – much less having a negative on/off net rating differential.

Whether it’s deceptive or not, I’ve been unable to find a superstar player whose team doesn’t outplay the opposition overall when they are on the floor or whose team plays better with them off the court.

You’d have to have a pretty soft definition of superstar to elevate Fox to that level.

Otis
May 3, 2021 12:40 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

By the way, congrats on getting to the FB finals – I would love to blame my injuries/COVID absences for my loss, but I don’t think I was winning that even with a healthy roster.

Finals should be a hell of a matchup!

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 1:00 pm
Reply to  Otis

Thanks! I basically went from the best team a couple months ago, to a team that needs every bit of luck just to advance. BHE looks like the heavy favorite for sure. BUT, maybe the good luck streak will continue.

1951
May 3, 2021 12:27 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

“Fox has the “superstar” ability to take over any game”

So why doesn’t he just do that so the Kings can be in the playoffs?

I am not greedy, he could just do that in half the games and we get there! 😉

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 12:41 pm
Reply to  1951

Ok, whatever. I’m not going to try to convince you that Fox has an elite ability to take over games. Like it’s probably happened over 20 times this season alone. He’s scored the 12th most points in the entire league this season. He has the most points scored in the 4th quarter as of today. A fox drive is one of the most unstoppable plays in the NBA. He’s been going toe-to-toe with every superstar in the league all season. Like what exactly are you arguing here?

Otis
May 3, 2021 12:48 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

If I’m understanding your point, it’s that Fox’s flashes of superstar level play means he is actually a superstar player?

By your standards, we could argue that the Kings are a championship caliber team right now.

Again, I think the debate is whether he’s an All-Star level player at this point.

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 12:52 pm
Reply to  Otis

“flashes” is like when Harry Giles makes one step back corner three.

Otis
May 3, 2021 12:54 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

I think one step back corner three would be a “flash”, not “flashes”.

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 12:56 pm
Reply to  Otis

cool.

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 12:48 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

Just to put the driving thing in perspective. Fox is ahead of Doncic by 41 point in total points scored on drives this season. Fox and Doncic are the only two players who’ve scored over 700 points on drives. Bradley Beal is the only other player to score at least 600 points on drives. Since nba.com started tracking points on drives back in 2013, only James Harden in 2017-18 has scored more points on drives per game than Fox has this season.

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Otis
May 3, 2021 12:59 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

By the way, Fox’s NetRating in the 4th quarter is -8.8 (the team is -2.7 overall in the fourth).

Not Fox’s fault, but not the sign of a superstar.

At some point, winning matters. And this team has been almost depressingly worse than last season’s. There ain’t a superstar on the roster right now, how matter how hard you squint.

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 1:08 pm
Reply to  Otis

Again, I just don’t like using team stats for stuff like this. It’s an interesting factor, and could technically indicate his individual impact doesn’t translate into team success, but there’s too many variables outside of his control to know if it means anything.

Otis
May 3, 2021 1:21 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

I completely agree with you, if we’re talking about most NBA players. I disagree with you when we’re debating superstars.

The NBA is the one sport that a high-end player heavily impacts overall team performance.

So IMO the real hallmark of a superstar is that his team outperforms the opposition over the long haul when he’s on the floor. It’s statistically tried-and-true/verifiable. That ain’t Fox (yet), but I hope that changes.

1951
May 3, 2021 1:30 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

It’s an interesting factor, and could technically indicate his individual impact doesn’t translate into team success

Seems to me we’ve just identified the key factor that distinguishes a star from a superstar!

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 2:02 pm
Reply to  1951

or the factor literally means nothing. Look at the defensive on/off stats for Kawhi in San Antonio. They can be highly misleading.

1951
May 3, 2021 2:10 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

Or it means everything.

to me a superstar is a star player who has a profound impact on team performance.

One who turns a bad team into a mediocre team or a mediocre team into a true title competitor.

Greater team success is integral to superstardom and it’s why it should be reserved for only the elite few players who do that virtually single handedly!

I love Fox, he is the highest level of talent the Kings have had in a long time but he has yet to put this team on his back and drag them into a even a mediocre level of team success!

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RORDOG
May 3, 2021 2:15 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

In the 2016-2017 season, the Spurs allowed 8 points per 100 possessions less when Kawhi was off the floor versus on the floor. Is that because Kawhi is bad at defense? Of course not.

You can’t just say “here is a team stat that’s dependent on a ton of variables, and that’s empirical evidence that a player is not a superstar.”

Ultimately, we’re all cherry picking stats to back up our assertions, but we all at least need to be capable of understanding what stats are worthy of cherry picking. How 5 players perform when one player is on or off the court is just not that meaningful in this discussion IMO. Fox’s on/off was +5.7 two years ago for instance. Does that mean he was better then than he is now?

1951
May 3, 2021 2:18 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

Personally, I focus on overall team success as opposed to individual stats when discussing this topic.

Otis
May 3, 2021 2:27 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

In the 2016-2017 season, the Spurs outscored the opposition by 8.7 points per 100 with Kawhi Leonard on the floor. That’s the point.

I’m not cherry picking in the slightest. I’m looking at full seasons for high-end players, and I’ll wait to hear about one that has a negative net rating when they are on the floor.

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 2:41 pm
Reply to  Otis

my point is that team on/off stats and individual defensive catch all stats can be misleading. It’s like using PER to prove why a guy who gets a ton of uncontested defensive rebounds and putback dunks is elite.

Otis
May 3, 2021 2:50 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

You seem hyperfocused on the on/off numbers, which are really secondary to me (and admittedly, more dependent on factors around the franchise).

But the fact that the team is significantly outscored by the opposition when he’s on the floor (over time)? That’s a pretty telling statistic.

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 2:33 pm
Reply to  Otis

why are they ranked so high? Is it because the defensive catch all stats are probably not good indicators of true impact? I could be wrong, but I doubt Duncan Robinson has a bigger impact on defense than Fox has on offense. Also, Willie Cauley-Stein’s defensive impact last season was greater than Fox’s offensive impact this season. I guess one could use that as an argument for why Fox isn’t a superstar. I just think it means the defensive catch all stats aren’t that meaningful at this point.

Otis
May 3, 2021 2:39 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

How are you measuring Fox’s “impact on the offense” (statistically), and how does that impact compare to other guards in the league who are held in higher regard?

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 3:15 pm
Reply to  Otis

as I said it’s a combination of stats and tape. For instance, the stats say Fox is elite at making very difficult shots. The tape says he needs to attempt those shots because there isn’t a better alternative. And that’s what I think some fail to appreciate. He’s carrying a huge offensive load and converting at a super high percentage when you take into account the shot quality associated with his FGA based on how opponents defend the Kings with Fox on the floor.

Otis
May 3, 2021 3:26 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

What are “very difficult shots”…midrange?

There’s definitely some editorializing here. Personally, I think Fox’s style of offense is liable to be unsuccessful in the playoffs (should he be able to get a team that far) and he’s liable to break down physically.

He needs to get better shooting from distance. That will create a more repeatable, sustainable offense IMO, and might save him some energy to play a little defense.

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 3:35 pm
Reply to  Otis

Shots off drives. Just look at the leaderboard. It’s the shot type that’s most scaleable since it doesn’t rely on much other than individual ability. He’s basically the leader in both volume and percentage.

Otis
May 3, 2021 3:39 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

Is that considered a “very difficult shot”, comparatively?

IIRC, that’s a stat that Isaiah Thomas exceeded in as well.

IT wasn’t a superstar either, but obviously an All-Star caliber player. Nothing to sneeze at there.

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 3:51 pm
Reply to  Otis

And IT never came close to Fox when it comes to volume or efficiency. Like not even in the same stratosphere.

Otis
May 3, 2021 4:01 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

Overall efficiency/volume or just on drives? It has to be the latter.

As with the on/off thing, it feels like you’re hanging your hat on one isolated statistic.

By the way, Isaiah is a career 87% shooter from the line. Another reminder that Fox needs to improve his shooting before he can be considered a superstar.

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RORDOG
May 3, 2021 4:07 pm
Reply to  Otis

IT’s best season he scored 9.8 points on drives per game. Fox is at 13.3 on MUCH better efficiency.

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 4:02 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

Fox is having one of the greatest seasons ever scoring on drives to the basket in the history of the NBA. It would be like if a RB had the most YAC due to a combination of leading the league in catches and avoiding tackles. That is the type of skill that puts players in the elite echelon IMO.

Otis
May 3, 2021 4:05 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

Fox is having one of the greatest seasons ever scoring on drives to the basket in the history of the NBA.

Well, or back to 2013-2014 right? Doesn’t appear that leaderboard goes back any further.

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 4:10 pm
Reply to  Otis

LOL I’m pretty sure if he’s been as good as Harden the year he was the MVP, then there’s not much competition outside of Harden.

Otis
May 3, 2021 4:16 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

At the end of his 4th season, Harden was shooting 37% from three (on volume), and 84% from the line (so over 60% true shooting).

So this is a nice stat, but assuming it’s relevant to Fox becoming a superstar is still specious IMO.

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 4:46 pm
Reply to  Otis

okay well then I guess we just disagree about the importance of driving to the rim in the sport of basketball. By they way, your boy George Karl is with me on this one.

Otis
May 3, 2021 4:54 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

You’re lashing out. I’m not disagreeing that it’s important, I’m just not understanding how that can be all you need to call him a superstar.

And I still think you were editorializing about it being the most difficult shot in basketball.

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 7:42 pm
Reply to  Otis

Lashing out?

Kingsguru21
May 3, 2021 8:19 pm
Reply to  RORDOG

You’re welcome to stab him anytime, Rory.

RORDOG
May 3, 2021 10:13 pm
Reply to  Kingsguru21

I won’t do that. Playing for the consolation in fantasy is bad enough.

Kingsguru21
May 4, 2021 6:29 am
Reply to  RORDOG

Slow burn. I respect that.

Adamsite
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Nostradumbass 14
May 2, 2021 9:17 pm

You are right. A different coach could make all the difference with this roster. Just look at Thibs in NY. He’s the single reason that team has made a 180. Until Walton is gone, it doesn’t even matter if LBJ were on the roster. and history backs me up on that one.

ArcoThunder
May 3, 2021 12:55 am

We had that guy twice and fired them.

Malone

Joerger

Gregoryl
May 3, 2021 9:15 am
Reply to  ArcoThunder

And Joerger was fired bc he was too hard on the players. I hope that was another stupid Vlade decision, but my gut tells me Vivek would have made the same call.

keith_kar
May 3, 2021 5:58 am

I want to agree with you on the roster, but when I look at the Kings roster, I see many average to below average players, with the exception of Fox, Hali, and Holmes. At times we can look like world beaters, and then we can rip off a 5 game losing streak, looking like we may never win again.

I 100% agree with you on the coaching, and that has to change, but the Kings track record on coaching changes lately hasn’t moved the needle to much.

It’s yet to be seen, or to be determined, I guess if the Kings current problem is a simple coaching change.

Carl
May 3, 2021 8:13 am
Reply to  keith_kar

Agreed. A 35 win roster isn’t going to start competing in the West with no changes.

Kayte_Hunter_Fan_club
May 3, 2021 1:41 pm
Reply to  Carl

Your point is fine but you have to have assets to make compelling changes. I’m not opposed to moving Bagley but not for a second rounder. I proposed Bagley for Roby but I don’t think OKC does that. Buddy I think is underwater so do you want to move him for a less onerous liability. Barnes is probably a decent trade chip but it seems without knowing he wasn’t as marketable as many thought. We don’t have much cap space so I doubt free agency brings back anything significant and the last thing we need is another bad contract. So with that said, you either knock it out of the park in the draft or package that pick with something else and try to find a couple of missing pieces but a miss there and we’re back another 5 years. The kings are in a state of conscious conflict right now not knowing which way to go. It appears to me they are not in the mode to take a step backwards in the hopes of moving 3 steps forward, So with that said maybe you trade the pick for something young but a little more NBA ready. A 7th or 8th pick in this years draft for Roby and either Brown or Maledon seems like a decent haul. Roby to just 23 and signed for 2 more years after this year and Maledon is still 19 and Brown 21 and both signed for 3 more years. We’d have to get really lucky to match a haul like that with the 7th draft pick.

jjdski
May 2, 2021 9:07 pm

Great win Kings!! Now we only have the 8th worst record for in the league! I smell a win streak.🤙😀

jjdski
May 2, 2021 9:09 pm
Reply to  jjdski

Make that 9th.

Markaroni
May 2, 2021 9:19 pm

Only watched highlights but it looks like Bagley and Buddy played well. I guess Bags is trying to impress another team? The Mavs commentators were praising him all night it seems.

Hamlet1989
May 2, 2021 9:29 pm
Reply to  Markaroni

What did you think of his defense? I was at work, didn’t see.

Markaroni
May 2, 2021 9:47 pm
Reply to  Hamlet1989

I gotta watch the whole game, but from the recap ^^^^ it seems he wasn’t too shabby!

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satdawg
May 3, 2021 12:15 am
Reply to  Markaroni

it was a lucky game. If he can play like this consistently then I’ll eat my words

King4life
May 2, 2021 9:29 pm

With the caveat that I wish the Kings had drafted him, watching Doncic play is such a miserable experience. Just constantly bitching at the refs while getting a ton of touch calls in his favor. It’s so annoying.

RikSmits
May 3, 2021 12:03 am
Reply to  King4life

Yes it is annoying.

But I think if he was a King, a lot of us would compain just as much, genuinely believing that he doesn’t get enough calls.

And some of us would be able to brush it off and just enjoy watching him play in a Kings uniform.

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Otis
May 3, 2021 6:52 am
Reply to  RikSmits

Luka complains almost as much as Doug and Kyle. Annoying in both cases.

KingOfTheMonsters
May 3, 2021 8:05 am
Reply to  RikSmits

Plus, he’s got a target on his back. I’ve seen him take many a cheap shot against a variety of teams.

TheEffortPolice
May 3, 2021 7:42 am
Reply to  King4life

I mean sure, we can talk about his attitude but between him and the guy we picked only one of them has gotten their coach fired, soooo…

FarmerGuy
May 3, 2021 9:11 am
Reply to  King4life

Luka Donbitch amirite?

1951
May 3, 2021 10:06 am
Reply to  King4life

Ooh, now do Fox! 😉

PS – I don’t disagree but my disdain for player bitching goes far beyond Luka!

RikSmits
May 3, 2021 10:16 am
Reply to  1951

I mean, most people don’t like it and want the league to act.
But when a star player gets ejected, people start whining about refs thinking they’re the bigger stars and stars should be in the game at the end and all that stuff.

1951
May 3, 2021 10:20 am
Reply to  RikSmits

I know. I am whacky. I wish they would through out more stars until the players get the message to reduce the crying!

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RORDOG
May 3, 2021 10:26 am
Reply to  1951

The technical foul leaderboard could be mistaken for an all-star roster

RikSmits
May 3, 2021 10:27 am
Reply to  1951

In rugby and field hockey only the captains can talk to the refs, politely. Break the rules and take an early shower.

1951
May 3, 2021 10:35 am
Reply to  RikSmits

I wish the NBA would install the captain rule.

Let the coach and the captain on the floor speak to the refs. That’s it.

PS – I played rugby for 12 years. It works.

Otis
May 3, 2021 10:46 am
Reply to  1951

I owned a rugby shirt once.

Otis
May 3, 2021 10:45 am
Reply to  1951

Luka does seem to be on another whining level, but he’s not that much different than most superstar-level players. I think he’s also aware of it, so hopefully he’ll clean that up over time.

I wonder if it will help when he’s got better talent around him and doesn’t have all the pressure on his shoulders.

MillersCornrows
May 2, 2021 9:53 pm

Kayte had one of her more cringeworthy moments after the game when she stated that it’s hard to watch Luka because he complains to the referees so much. Then, right after expressing this, she compared him to Demarcus Cousins in terms of barking at the refs. Not one of her better moments. I’ve really tried to like her for years but I can’t stand her attitude or the angles she takes on just about everything.

Marty
May 2, 2021 9:58 pm

Tonight I caught myself saying under my breath; “We’re never going to be free of Kayte and Doug, are we?”

RowJimmy
May 2, 2021 9:59 pm
Reply to  Marty

Ladies and gentlemen your Kings new coaching staff

ArcoThunder
May 3, 2021 12:59 am
Reply to  RowJimmy

they’d be so much better. how sad is that.

krswin
May 3, 2021 5:31 am

I agree with Kayte.

Kingsguru21
May 3, 2021 7:06 am

I usually turn the postgame off. I find her insufferable and there’s no point in complaining about it anymore. I’d turn Doug off, too, but that’s more challenging because of the live game factor.

ForKingsandCountry
May 2, 2021 10:03 pm

Man when Tyrese went down I thought he almost assuredly had a horrific knee injury. That hyperextension was scary. I really hope he’s ok. Not for this year but for next. I guess we’ll find out what happened after his MRI tomorrow. There’s absolutely no reason to play Tyrese, Fox or Barnes again this year.

Random, but Bagley actually played pretty well! I mean, that ship has almost assuredly sailed but good for him. I hope he can find success on his next team.

keith_kar
May 3, 2021 5:40 am

Bagley played pretty well? I though he was the best player on the court last night. My eyes were wide open watching him. Like wow! Who the hell is this guy?

I’m probably in the minority here, but I believe it would be a big mistake for the Kings if he’s not on the team next season. Of course, if he wants out, not much the team can do about it, and he will have a next team.

Kayte_Hunter_Fan_club
May 3, 2021 8:03 am
Reply to  keith_kar

Good post. I think when you consider the alternatives, your position is the correct one. I doubt his trade value is very high right now and he has an intriguing skill set which to me requires a deeper look. These calls to release him or trade him for a second round pick really have no logic to them. Now if we can snatch Isaiah Roby for him, I’d make that trade.