The first day of free agency saw a lot of players land in new homes. Paul George is going to Philly, Chris Paul to the Spurs, Hartenstein to OKC, Tobias Harris to Detroit, Jalen Smith to Chicago, Naji Marshall to Dallas, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope to Orlando, Mason Plumlee to Phoenix, and Derrick Jones Jr to the Clippers, among others. And yet the Sacramento Kings have not made a move to add a free agent yet. The Kings have retained Malik Monk and Alex Len, but that’s it.
Free agency is not won or lost on Day 1. There’s still plenty of time for the Kings to bolster the roster via signings or trades, but it’s always frustrating to see other teams landing impact free agents and crickets from the Kings.
The Kings are rumored to be engaged in trade talks for Brandon Ingram, and there’s talk that the Jazz could be open to moving Lauri Markkanen (although there have been no rumors connecting him to the Kings). We’ll see if anything materializes on the trade front.
As always, we will post updates for any Kings news, but in the meantime use this thread to discuss any news or rumors from around the league.
Yawn
Totally. I’m getting tendinitis from clicking refresh on the various sites I’m watching while I should be working.
I’ll just re-post my thought from yesterday about 30 minutes prior to the start of free agency:
And this is what I just posted at the end of the last thread:
Yeah, I wonder what does McNair actually do all day. Let alone his assistant.
Call up reporters > say the Kings are in talks to make a big trade > take a nap > be too risk averse > miss out on trade > call reporters, and so on and so forth
I’d wager he spends 15-20 minutes each day laughing at online dipshits like you and me.
Well, we know that the 15-20 minutes hasn’t been used on closing an actual deal, so you may be right.
Monte McNearly (as someone posted on Twitter).
I’d bet good money that this isn’t the front office’s plan, even if it ends up turning out that way. Unless you’re fairly certain that McNair is a moron, do you actually believe he’d find himself “content” after not facilitating any improvements?
He has an inability to close the deal, I’d say that has been proven the last two years. Closing a deal is a skill in and of itself, and MM doesn’t seem to have it.
Wanting and trying to make a deal and actually closing a deal are different things.
He clearly does have the ability to close deals. Look at his first couple years as GM. He’s just currently choosing to not close deals, for whatever reason.
I disagree. He has been so close on so many deals lately. He just cannot close them.
I hear ya. Ultimately with how uninformed we are as fans at the end of the day I see both sides of the opinion. I just think he has a very strict control on how much he will not give up and he won’t budge, for better or worse. After Vlade, it’s quite refreshing. I will admit though, I am beginning to really dislike his salary dump moves (Holmes last year and Mitchell/Vezenkov this year).
He had the Hield/Kuzma deal basically done, but LeGM stepped in and kicked and screamed to get Westbrook.
LeGM also selected his own son when said son had no business being an NBA draftee. Amazing how the NBA media never critisizes their self proclaimed king.
A) your take on whether he’s got business being an NBA draftee is your opinion. Your opinion is not a fact in any way. I might agree with you, but plenty of people around the league do not. Allegedly.
B) the move has been criticized relentlessly around sports media. Almost no one is on board with it.
C) who. cares. I believe the conversation was about whether or not MM can close deals. Which is a silly conversation, granted. Until its not…
He closed two big trades with Sabonis and Huerter…I know we like to only say things that fit our narrative but….
I appreciate your voice of reason, Mike.
Good point, and I’d be remiss in not mentioning the absolute mental breakdown many had about sending Haliburton out in the deal.
“Just do something, Monte!”
“Oh. Not like that.”
Kings fans still argue that we lost what was a clear win-win trade.
Some do. Many don’t. And there are a few that think the Kings won the trade.
You’re right, I should have specified “some”. I look back on that trade wistfully. I love Domas and how he brought us into playoff contention. But boy, the amount of attention that Hali has brought the Pacers makes me a little jealous.
I did not favor the trade at the time, but I understood it. McNair had a limited amount of time to turn the team around, and this was the deal to do it. I did think that a lot of people were sleeping on Domas. He had somehow gained this reputation of being a ball pounder, and I suspected it had more to do with Carlisle’s system. This marks one of the few times I was right, which still does not offset the fact that I thought Bob Sura would be a better player than Steve Nash.
He did have promise though. Size, athleticism, motor. Almost happened.
I thought Rocket Rod Foster coming out of UCLA was an absolutely sure bet to become the next Gus Williams, but that didn’t happen.
Turns out, De’Aaron Fox was the next Gus Williams, so it worked out.
In all fairness, Sura was nearly as good as Nash.
I’m sure Monte could have pulled the trigger on some deal or another that would have had the Kings get ripped off for a player that might not even have fit well. Maybe there have also been trades where he should have given a little more at the right time to seal the deal. A solid free agent signing would be enough for me. I’d also love to get Brandon Ingram. Is NO really trying to move him? I’m imagining they would need something back which would at least insure they don’t take too big a step back this year.
I’d rather he not make a bad deal just to keep us chuckleheads happy. My fear is giving up the farm for BI or Lauri only to have them walk at the end of their current contract.
I think what really screws us from landing a big trade is because our next pick is tied up with Atlanta. Which is why I hate and always will hate pick protections. Make your move and trust that it’ll workout and keep your future picks without locking yourself up from being able to use them. Has Monte even woken up yet?
You’ll feel differently when we get the pick back next spring.
Nope. If we were able to, which I doubt we were I would’ve lifted the protections and gave the pick to Atlanta this year. The going rate for stars and ultimate 3 & D wings is 3-4 first round picks and swaps included. It’s nuts. But that’s just what it is right now.
it’ll be interesting to see how the Clips recover with PG gone and how they build going forward with no picks. But the Kings don’t have the luxury of throwing picks in deals knowing they can attract FA’s. But we gotta strike at some point or do SOMETHING because running it back with the same squad is not doing anything.
With the way the 2025 draft is shaping up, I’m sure ATL would be willing to remove next year’s protection if we offered it. So if we really need to add fist rounders, we could pretty easily do them as soon as 2027. The only reason they wouldn’t have wanted that this year is because the 2024 draft was already viewed as weak, and then they got the first pick.
If Monte doesn’t swing a deal, it won’t be because of the 2025 pick.
If Devin Carter becomes Derrick White you’ll be happy we kept it
Nuggets got worse, Clippers got worse. On balance, I’d say Sacramento had a pretty good first day.
Have any teams in the West that finished ahead of the Kings last season gotten worse than the current same Kings squad?
The deal the clips just gave DJJ wasn’t much of an overpay if it was at all and something the kings very much could of offered so idk if they’re a team that would make us feel better. They lost a usually injured guy that is going to be 35+ making 50mil+ a year. I’d personally take that trade off from a cost analysis perspective
We’re still not better than the Nuggets so what does it matter that they got worse?
And let’s not forget the teams that were below us that appear to be improving (Mem, Hou, Spurs…even Portland).
OKC added Caruso and Hartenstein. All it cost them was Giddey. And they can give Topic that entire year off. Yipes.
And 5,343 picks
Eventually it will be “Welcome to the
NBAOKC 2028 draft.”A move or moves are coming. They have to in order to even have a punchers chance of staying afloat in the Western Conference. They ran it back and it didnt work out. I’m okay with them testing the waters on the big guns, Ingram or Markkanen…before moving to Kuzma or Cam Johnson.
Thanks again, Greg for keeping things going during the summer. Even with no deals, at least we can come here to complain to each other. 🙂
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Acceptance is the key to happiness.
I for one welcome our Cast-off Free Agent/Overpaid Average Player overlords.
Jalen Smith to the Bulls.
https://x.com/wojespn/status/1807768160587694560
Crandell’ed
12 roster spots, 3 (probably) to go. Looking at the depth, I’m assuming he goes after two bigger forwards and a third center.
Negotiating to sign Stanley Johnson, Jeremy Lamb and Skal Labisserie from the Stockton Kings!
3 dogs from Stockton? We need Mike Breen yelling BANG for each one as soon as pen hits paper.
Collins, Miles Bridges and Stewart. Stewart is your backup center and Len is your third center.
Miles Bridges would seriously have me contemplating my future as a Kings fan.
Down with the type of player, hard pass on the person. Hope we don’t sign him.
I liked his play a few years ago (admittedly, it was before the assault), and while his scoring has gone up every year, he hasn’t ever picked up his defense or rebounding. I don’t think he really helps all that much and he is looking for around $30M/yr (I don’t see how the Kings could get him other than through a S&T).
I could still see how the signing could help make another move as you at least pick up an asset that could later be traded. At this point, I think someone along those lines might be the play. Not saying it would be enough or that Bridges is the right guy, but lets say we traded Huerter to CHA in an S&T for Bridges…if you were Danny Ainge and you’re getting at least 4 FRPs and some picks swaps in a deal with the Kings, would you rather receive Huerter and Barnes back (combined $34M), or Bridges ($30M)?
Might be trying to thread a needle with a rope there.
agreed, if you’re gonna compromise morals at least get a top 5 player for it.
I like Collins and Stewart. Hope we don’t sign Bridges. I’d love Bey and a cheap Gordon Heyward off the bench. Wouldn’t mind bringing Boogie back as a backup Center, since our roster is riddled with the Ned Flanders gene.
*a cheap Gordon Hayward on the bench
Barnes, Lyles, a second for John Collins. Huerter a second or two for Isaiah Steward. Shaddiq Bey with MLE.
Starters: Fox, Ellis, Murray, Collins, Sabonis.
Backups: Carter Monk ,Jones, Bey, Stewart.
I like the ambition…but is that team really that much better? Does Collins, Bey, and Stewart move the needle that much?
I agree that they fit, would help, and I like them…but enough to add picks and sell De’Aaron that we are actually trying?
I think we need to go after bigger fish like Markennen, Ingram, or even sadly Kuzma or Grant.
I agree on Markannen and Ingram but IMO Collins is a better fit than Kuzma or Grant.Ex.Collins vs. Kuzma. Rebounds better protects the rim better shoots the 3 better what more do you want? With Grant IMO I wouldn’t pay that much money for his services.
I think Collins and Bey alone move the needle to lock for over 50 win team
Bey had ACL surgery on March 27, 2024. Usual recovery time for that is anywhere from 8 – 12 months, FWIW.
Perhaps a good opportunity to buy low(er)
Saddiq BAE.
Bey had ACL surgery, so he is basically done for next season.
Stewart seems fine as a backup C but I don’t see how Beef Stew fits into the starting lineup with Domas. I’d almost rather see what we could do with Wiseman but I’m concerned he’s a bit damaged at the moment. Just not in love with the Pistons’ offerings.
I wouldn’t hate John Collins, I think he’d be a slight upgrade over Barnes at this point. Bey would be interesting but I’m not taking on Hayward’s salary without some kind of sweetener.
First Stewart would be backup up to Sabonis, I said nothing about Hayward. I would,t take him at all. Collins is the best fit next to Sabonis. I think Collins has far more value than Barnes, Just look at his rebounding stats. Out of sight compared to Barnes and protects the rim especially the weakside which we really need. Barnes isn’t even close to doing that.
I love Collins or Ingram or Markannen. I hate giving up assets for a player on an expiring contract.
An interesting supposition as it relates to Bridges. Landing him would appreciably improve the Kings’ roster, and at a position of need, no less.
Would this signing briefly slow down the consensus that McNair can’t close deals, or would the goalposts move to a place where McNair can’t close deals on players with solid citizen reputations of whom we all approve?
I don’t particularly want Bridges for many of the same reasons as others, but can we live with a substantial upgrade to the team at the cost of some reputational hit to the organization?
No and no.
But is it better than, or worse than doing nothing?
Yes and yes.
No, nO, no…NO
I was hoping that MM would somehow manage to snag Paul George. I feel like that would’ve cemented the Kings path to the Finals and I knew it was a super long shot, but damnit. I would’ve been fine watching us basically throw money at a chip whether we’d have won it or not. PG is one hell of a basketball puzzle piece that makes finding all the rest of the pieces just a little easier. And he’s a hell of a ball player.
I think the whole league knew Markkanen was available before the Jazz were out of the playoff picture. The problem is he is being actively courted by the Warriors at the moment.
I’m sure Monte is making these calls (right?) just like every other GM. And for every player of note you hear about us being in talks with, you can read an article about how there’s 4 other teams that sound like way better options than the Kings also being interested in them.
We need another 15-20 pts a night in the starting lineup. Those guys are disappearing fast. Somebody mentioned “Run it Back 2.0” and all I have to say to that is “please, no.” Keegan Murray would have to make a Fox like Jump in his 3rd year and Carter would have to be a legit top 3 level draft talent carving out rotation minutes for that to have a shot at working. And I’m not ruling it out but I’m also not quite seeing both of those things.
Monte…. where are you….?
George gone to the 76ers.
That’s what I was lamenting in my opening paragraph.
“Somehow” doing the work of 100 stout men, here.
Knowing less than most, my assumption is that this would only have been possible as a sign & trade. If that’s actually true, what do you suppose the cost would have been for the Kings? And assuming we can agree on what would be reasonable, is that cost to acquire an oft-injured (admittedly still-great) thirty-four year old player likely to grade out happily for the Kings?
Sincerity isn’t my strong suit, but I ask these questions sincerely.
the cost appears to have been 5 years, 204 million and a team that has some level of championship aspirations. So…. YES. It would have absolutely been worth it.
We’d have been talked about all summer and absolutely would’ve been a frontrunner on paper to contend.
As far as injury, he’s had 4 years of sub-60 games during the Balmer / Load management game plan. He managed 74 games last year after the league clamped down on load management, not to mention prior to being a clipper he managed 60+ game seasons every year he wasn’t dealing with a shattered leg.
I don’t know why it would’ve “only been possible via a S/T” except for Vivek being stingy. If you get one year of PG and win a chip does that make it worth him walking the next year? Ask Toronto fans. I’d do that in a second.
Doesn’t matter tho, he’s in Philly. But that was my “perfect world” rosterbation. PG would’ve been a game changer for this team, IMO.
The question I have is whether you actually believe we’re just one Paul George away from a chip?
If we don’t have to sacrifice one of our top 5 players to get him, absolutely. The sixers didn’t lose a thing except cap space.
A Godzilla-sized IF, this.
My thought, exactly. With PG, we’re still two top 50 players from even considering WCF.
2 top 50 players away from even considering the WCF?
lol
Why even watch this team, then?
Would not be happy with a 38 year old PG in year four of that contract. Talk about an albatross.
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That was fun. And PG as our starting 3 would have been also, I would’ve been super happy with a 38 y/o PG getting his 2nd chip with us.
😉
Kings fan base, 7/1/24, AM, in gif form:
The rest of the NBA the weekend before:
We Got This!
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Wait, I’m not good with mathematics but the 76ers will pay about $145mil to only 3 players?
probably right, we’ll be doing the same eventually once KM is up
well, to be fair…all of our guys are under 30yrs old whereas only Maxey is less than 30
But arguably if healthy. The Best Core 3 in the NBA and it’s not close.
Well, I’d definitely argue that they aren’t.
Brown/Tatum/Porzingis > Maxey/PG/Imbiid
Realistically, the odds of all six being healthy and playable at any given time is fairly remote, and that would seem to favor Boston.
I didn’t even bring up that Jrue Holiday and Derrick White are also better than anyone else on PHI’s roster.
If you chose the top 10 best players from the combined rosters, you’ll see that 7/10 are on BOS
All true, those guys are the ones that give Tatum and Brown the latitude to be great. Both are still capable of generating all-star numbers, and would no doubt step up and do so if needed.
2/3 of the core are incapable of staying healthy. And the team has little depth.
I think the sixers and pacers are a tier below the Knicks and C’s.
Jalen Smith to Bulls . 3 years at 9 million per . Getting very concerned .
Cmon Monte…it’s time
Some trades that work (according to the good ole trade machine)
OR THE SCARY ONES (that might make a little sense lol)
THE KINGS HAVE TO DO SOMETHING
I like #1 but to get both Markannen and Collins would be the hall of the day. Don’t think Ainge would do that.
I don’t think the Kings make for good trade partners with the Pelicans. Pelicans are trying to move off of wings, and the Kings only really have wings to offer. Huerter and Barnes would be the lesser of any of the other wings they have currently (CJ, Murray, Herb, Murphy, and whatever Zion is thought of as).
So there must need to be a 3rd team that can offer the Pelicans a Center (Poeltl from Toronto? Jarrett Allen?) to entice them.
McNair’s inability to create trades unilaterally is a true character flaw, shared by only thirty -one NBA GMs in the entire world.
It’s a results-based industry, no?
McNair did a great job of taking a crap roster and turning it into a 48 win, 3rd seed surprise. The Kings pretty much sat on their hands last summer, fell back to 46 wins, the 9 seed and out of the playoffs. They failed to keep up in the West, and that was with Memphis dropping out of the race very early.
The Lakers, Suns, Clips and Suns are all vulnerable, but Memphis, Houston and even San Antonio lurk in the rear view mirror. Dallas has gotten better this off season. OKC has gotten considerably better. If Dillingham is for real, Minny is improved (they aren’t worse). KCP leaving hurts Denver, but probably not to cover the 10 games that separated the Kings and Nugs last year.
To paraphrase Norm, it’s a dog-eat-dog world and Monte is wearing Milk Bone underwear. Excuses are easy, His job is hard. And the results are the yardstick under which he will be measured.
Of course it’s a results-based industry. Results are generally assessed at the end of an agreed-to time frame. If we get there without results that we generally agree are improvements, then sure, have at it.
We aren’t there yet. We aren’t even particularly close to being there yet.
I’ll offer this guarantee: If/when McNair makes a move, a majority of the commentary about it will be along the lines of how stupid McNair is. And it may turn out to be true over the next season or two, the best-laid plans of mice and men and all that.
Less than two days into this, it’s difficult to read much of this as anything more than impatient petulance, not befitting of what I’m told is one of the more knowledgeable NBA fan bases.
If this is how some need to cope with free agency, well, it’s a free country, particularly if you happen to be President of the United States. Speaking strictly for myself, I don’t have an obligation to pretend that it’s anything more than it is, a nearly Lakers-level sense of entitlement to get everything that they want, and right now.
Have at it, I’m the asshole for not assuming that what is currently is fated to be how it is.
You’re definitely capturing my thoughts. I still think there will be a move or two still to come this offseason. I don’t advocate the run it back approach but I’m not in favor of a “just make a move, Monte” approach, either. Thankfully, Monte isn’t embracing that strategy anyway. He has assets he doesn’t want to trade unless they move the needle and he’s holding tight to them.
I do find it amusing that people are starting to clamor for the Kings to trade anyone, including Keegan or Keon, just to improve the offense. Are these the same people who complain that the Kings play “no defense”? I don’t know, but the two absolute dawgs on defense are Keegan and Ellis. Those two guys set the tone, they improve the team in less perceptible ways. They elevate a player like Fox and they pressure players like Huerter to improve or sit. If I’m in Monte’s seat, I’m not giving them up for a marginal improvement.
Running it back would suck. But I vastly prefer that over subtraction by addition. Between now and the trade deadline, there will be plenty of opportunities to improve the team.
The deals that I have seen involving guys like Keegan and Keon also include players such as Lauri and Ingram. And the opinions have been framed along the lines of improving the top end of the roster and then backfilling. And while I do not agree with many of the proposed deals, I respect them more than the deals that are put together as though it is another team’s privilege to do business with the Kings. The real deals are the ones that usually hurt at least a little (giving up Hali, for example).
Maybe I’m missing it. But to me, the threads these past couple of days have been entertaining, enlightening, and at times brilliant. The contributions that fall short? They are simply that, and not, in my opinion, indicative of the whole of the contributing membership.
And 1 – If the front office did something, we’d talk about that instead of each other.
Amen…does anyone have the data on number of transactions? It feels like the Kings seem risk averse.
The Kings hope on health, chemistry, and continued improvement. At some point, the players are who they are. Healthy, probably a 6 seed. Unhealthy they are the 9th seed.
The Kings have 2 All NBA Players, a quality player on a rookie deal, and a super 6th man…and they can’t make it out of the Play-In Games.
I am not sitting here saying the sky is falling (even though teams like OKC, Min, Dallas and others have passed them)…but I am hoping for a move to at least try to improve this team.
The problem is that after those 4 guys, the rest of the roster is highly mediocre in totality.
Agreed – so how do the Kings change that?
High level free agents are not choosing Sacramento. Draft picks are limited to a few a year.
The only option is for trades and free agent moves on the fringes. There needs to be risks taken.
However; staying the course and running it back is not an option that will change winning.
Trades are hard to execute, but as the other Andy would say:
As of this post, I have the high side of this team being a 5 seed and the low side being a 13 seed, with 8-9 the likeliest outcome. The team as comprised right now would be fun more often than not, compelling, but ultimately disappointing if it winds up out of the top 6, in my opinion. And in my opinion, they are not likely to be a top 6 team right now.
Tick-tick-tick.
I agree with you overall on the contributions. I learn a lot from reading the comments here. I lurked here for a few years before commenting just to pick up some knowledge. Both you and Andy are two commenters I feel I’ve learned quite a bit from.
His comment about a Lakers-level sense of entitlement rings true to me. There are plenty of people who propose realistic trades, but so many people have unrealistic expectations. I’m fine with that part of things because most of them are entertaining to me, too. But there’s a running general theme that you’re an idiot if you don’t advocate for the outrageous trades.
This isn’t a North Korean style dictatorship. People have different opinions and even nuances within shared opinions. We can disagree, even vehemently so. But spam opinions aren’t particularly welcome for me.
Absolutely! I really enjoy the ideas, other view points, takes, etc.
Kings fans are few and far between; and I like this website for the community and fandom of wanting Kings to just win!
I too was on the sidelines for years but I try and share/contribute to this now. Lot of insightful/interesting perspectives I enjoy reading here.
I think us Kings fans value Keon twice what the other 29 fan bases do. I love the kid but he had a good 20 game run. I hope he’s spending the summer shooting 3s, floaters, and working on his ball handling.
Agreed 100%.
At $2.1m, I think that he already has value to contract, but he’s a million miles from being untradeable. And he’s one of my favorites.
I could not agree more. Best comment on this thread!!!
There is a conversation to be had not only when something happens, but also when / while something isn’t happening. The front office has us in the latter right now, and pretty much had us there all last summer. And therein lies the heightened cause for concern.
When you say stuff like. “a nearly Lakers-level sense of entitlement to get everything that they want, and right now,” you once again expose your true colors of being at least as concerned about the conduct of the fan base as you are of the conduct of the front office. And for the life of me I will never understand why that is.
I get much more from the members here than I give. Your mileage may vary.
I am in total agreement. There are some incredibly sharp minds at work here, and I have learned a great deal over the years.
So, we’re pretty good. But as with the roster, is it unfair to hope for something a little better?
Even with the ridiculous trade proposals, they provide something to goof on, and there’s value in that. The constant “sky-is-falling” takes are, in the most-literal sense of the word, boring.
No one is going to confuse me with being an optimist, I tend to keep my expectations low, and still find myself frequently disappointed.
But I am content to see how things play out before making seemingly-definitive statements about the status of things at any given moment. Forty-eight hours in, McNair’s grade remains as an Incomplete, and that will change to something more definitive, for better or worse, once we actually know something.
Hoping is fine, wishing is useless, and needless doomsaying is, yeah, needless. If this is the only outlet that some have for their frustration about the Kings (and probably some other stuff), then I suppose wading through all of it is better than seeing someone in a clock tower with a sniper rifle.
There’s a ton of middle ground, and my goal is to spend more time there. I don’t always make it. At the moment, there’s nowhere else to reasonably be. The oven is still heating up, and there are loud demands to be served dinner immediately. All of us are gonna eat.
It may be Yacht Thanksgiving, and it might be a shit sandwich, but shrill declarations about either are premature. “We’ll see,” said the Zen Master.
Do think we have missed on some possible opportunities but heres some random opinions/thoughts in regards to us. First I’d be very curious about Precious Achiuwa. Considering what some numbers are I think 8/9 per is well within possible. Checks alot of boxes rim roller lob threat with some defensive cover.
2nd thought is possibly something with Huerter for Paul Reed with maybe some sweeteners. Arguable a talent discrepancy but we likely could create around 7 million to allocate or to rope in a 3 team trade, while clearing out our backcourt logjam. I could see the Sixers having some intrigue KH’s fit with there group. Paul Reed, another 7ish million dollar player along with the none tax mid level could be seismic in addressing some depth questions.
Some random names id be curious on. Slow Mo apparently at an impasse with MIN, defense and some shot creation on 2nd units would be welcomed. Daniel Theis always. Saric I would be curious in in regards to being able to cover at 4 and stretch the floor. At 3 Haywood Highsmith, Fontecchio if new regime is looking to move on, and Gordon Hayward honestly if for a decent price
The real deep flyer I cant shake….Jabari Parker. Has an opt out option with Barcelona. Honestly looked great this year in Spain. I would be comfortable with a vet min flyer for him to have another cup of coffee in Sacramento.
Slo Mo fits perfectly. Unathletic, floor bound wing.
we def need some skywalkers and contesters for weak side rim protection. But in regards to the halfcourt on both ends Slo Mo is still really additive. His switchability defensively is still at a high level. On the other end he plays on a swivel and would not struggle in our more egalitarian ball sharing offense.
If Monk is still mainly calling shots when the starters sit or stagger yes its probably not the best addition considering our tendency to run and rely on PnR. But defensively especially Anderson could be massive for us.
Anderson has never been anyone’s idea of an ideal NBA player, particularly as it relates to athleticism. Despite that, he does seem to make his teams better.
Context is king, but barring a deal that’s completely out of proportion, I’d be pretty happy to land the man.
He would be fine, he just isn’t someone that will take the team to the next level.
A roster improvement is a move towards a higher level, but I understand what you mean.
With that in mind, who are the guys that make this next level possible, and what are you willing to part with to get one?
Without moving Fox/Domas/Keegan, I don’t know if there is a player the Kings could get in return to help them get to the next level. That being said.
That being said, I am expecting fringe moves like Slo Mo to happen and running in to next season with mostly the same roster and looking at internal improvement and cohesiveness (ugh) as the most likely outcome.
Just my opinion:
I like Kyle Anderson and think he would be a useful addition. I don’t think he adds more, and possibly not as much, as Harrison Barnes.
If the Kings trade Anderson for Barnes, that would be a negative IMO and likely cost more $$.
As for the others – and it has been posted here already, by many –
Collins is also a filler for the starting line up, and would be the 4th best starter, or if what I hope and Keon Ellis continues to improve, the 5th best starter, and then there’s Malik Monk off the bench.
John Collins isn’t someone who can get his own offense. Brandon Ingram is very good at that, and Zach Levine is as well. Lauri Markannen is just below that, but not much. These guys have made All-Star teams for a reason.
John Collins is a 4th/5th starter. That’s why he was traded from Atlanta and why he saw limited time in Utah. Hawks overpaid him and Jazz took a chance on unleashing his potential at that price point, but it’s just not him. Like Kyle Anderson, Barnes and Collins is much better than either Barnes or Collins and really rounds out the Kings frontcourt, but remains undersized.
Kyle Anderson is unrestricted free agent, so he can be had to add with Barnes, Murray, Lyles. Adding Collins would help shore up the frontcourt. Not sure how much better the Kings would be, but better than what Sasha and Kessler proved last year.
That’s nicely summarized.
I don’t see KA moving the needle at all. That is a player to maybe add at the tail end of free agency. Maybe.
None of these players move the needle imo and aren’t any better than the players we already have. Need more talent to compete, can’t keep recycling through the bottom of the barrel and expecting improvement. At this point, players that are unsigned are unsigned for a reason, yes FA moves that quickly.
Damn, we missed on Garrett Temple who just signed for another year in Toronto!
I’m with you on Achuiwa. He definitely fits a need. Weak side protector and lob threat. I’d absolutely love Lauri. He’d be a phenomenal fit. Collins afterward. Zach or John. But on this hand it’s something I like about Cam Johnson and Keegan as our forwards. Our offense would be insane. I can see those two dropping 3s consistently. Not sure what the defense would look like which is where Achuiwa comes in and maybe Robert Williams III if he can stay healthy. May want to take a flyer on Wiseman. We still don’t know what we have with McDaniels.
Just throwing out ideas. Lauri solves it all though.
Comparing Achuiwa to Collins that Collins is ahead in every major catagory. I also like Cam Johnson. A scorer. He isn’t the best defender but can account for himself. Muttay is a defender so IMO wouldn’t need to worry. The only thing he is not a rebounder and rim protector like Collins. Someone said above Collins doesn’t have an offense. Please check his srars. He does.
Klay Thompson joins the Mavericks.
https://x.com/wojespn/status/1807844416163664317?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
I don’t like the deal for the Mavs, Klay seems well past his prime at this point. Mavs don’t have a ton of holes, seems like a luxury pick up that was unnecssary.
Was hoping he’d end up on LAL.
DAL had to get rid of a good young cheap player in Josh Green just for the pleasure of overpaying a mostly used-up Klay Thompson, I love it.
yuuuup
and they lost DJJ
Got Naji Marshall seems a bit better
Me too.
See? The other teams in the West ARE getting worse!
…he said to be funny. I think the big moves the Mavs made to improve were done at the deadline last year. Klay is a terrible pickup. Torn achilles, repaired ACL, and he’s just so smug to boot.
He shot 38%, 41%, and 38% from 3 since returning from the injury in the past 3 seasons. Slower defensively, but he adds some firepower for a team that already has Luka and Kyrie, got PJ and Gafford at the deadline last season, and have emerging Lively. Also signed Naji Marshall. Klay will fit in nicely (even though he is a massive D-Bag.
Thompson has gone from being a defensive plus to a major defensive minus. IMO, Naji will push Klay to the bench on most nights.
All true and Mavs got better .
Replaced Hardaway Jr. with Klay, and Derrick Jones Jr. with Naji Marshall
And added Quentin Grimes, which is not nothing.
I forgot about that, that was nice get too
I think adding an expensive Thompson at the cost of Josh Green is a negative but adding Marshall and shipping out THJ were both good moves.
Exploitable defensively and getting worse. The guy can’t move in any direction like he used to and he’ll be three years older when his deal is done. Is he a clubhouse leader? Also asked in jest because he’s not.
Is that a fair price for an aged player with substantial injury history whose recent play puts the word “washed” into most viewers’ heads?
Doesn’t matter, that’s Dallas’ problem.
This year’s free agency is running pretty much true to form for the Kings so far. Yawn.
Duds are going after Lauri. I would hope Ainge doesn’t gift the duds another shot at relevance.
I’ve been wishing to get Lauri since his draft. I don’t see how Sac could pull off that trade, but it would be an ideal scenario.
Keegan, Huerter and a first round pick should get it done.
I don’t even consider it if Lauri doesn’t sign an extension.
Yeah, the fact that he is entering the final season of his contract seems like its being ignored.
Lauri is eligible for a 4yr/$200+ extension, but you can’t officially get anything more than just a promise that he is open to signing an extension.
I think Ainge is just wasting everyone’s time, he likes to create circumstances that he can walk away from.
Markannen is a very compelling player, but I don’t know how you can play him in a lineup that offers very little rim protection The man is a doggie door on defense.
Not even close.
Maybe 3 first round picks and 3 pick swaps.
You really think Ainge of Al l people is going to watch Bridges return 5 FRPs, then turn around and accept a trade for one high upside player, one streaky bad defensive player and single pick?
Lol no
I don’t think I’d do that trade. Sure you pick up a starting PF but you lose a starting SF who’s younger. And a first to boot? Without a guarantee he will stay? Pass.
So how can Klay agree to terms on a 3 year $50M deal on a capped out Dallas team. I get that it’s a sign and trade, but there has to be a ton more going on than just Josh Green going to the Hornets.
The same has to be said in the Dejounte Murray trade to the Pels. Neither team has announced the trade and the numbers don’t match up as it’s currently reported.
These reported deals seem far from done and are going to require a lot more moving parts.
I always had a hard time hearing the term “salary cap” and wondering how teams can keep going above the cap. Why use that term? It doesn’t mean what we think it means.
NFL has a cap, and I don’t think teams can go above the cap at all to sign players. There needs to be a cap number. Can’t go over. The NBA won’t go for this, but it just makes everything so damn confusing when trying to figure out how deals are happening.
You can go above cap to sign own Free Agents and pay tax but not for other teams Free Agents .
I understand how it all works. The concept of a “cap” is stupid if all these provisions are made. Stop calling it a cap then.
I will call it a cap if I want to.
Try and stop me.
cap cap cap cap cap
You don’t stop that capping, Cap’n, someone might just bust a cap.
It’s just wild to me that a team like Dallas, who is above the first apron can go out and sign Naji and arrange for a SnT of Klay.
As it is, Dallas is hard capped and only has the partial MLE, so they don’t even have enough to sign Naji Marshal to his reported $8.5M dollar deal. How can teams negotiate contracts before they move the players and open ups space in order to sign those contracts. Seems like some cart before the horse bullshit to me.
They have Gafford, Kleber, Powell they could move to make space. But the reported deals being leaked/announced is cart before horse. League made this mess and I don’t they care.
They should have to move those players/contracts BEFORE they come to an agreement with the player/agent.
Why the NBA allows apron teams to negotiate with free agents that they can’t currently sign is beyond me.
If I’m a team Dallas calls about eating some other deals so they can sign better players, I’m asking for a king’s ransom or telling them to pound sand.
yeah, I thought they had to clear space first…I don’t get it
When referring to the Salary Cap, the NBA, as opposed to the tough NFL, is soft
And then, you have Major League Baseball – which to me, isn’t even a League with the difference between team salaries
I guess that the deals aren’t “made” and the work can still be done during negotiations, but I agree. They should have to move the necessary pieces before reaching agreements with players.
I heard from sources that NOP wanted a 3 team trade betwen them and Kings- so that they could get a center. Mavs have a few spare ones. Magic signed Goga and now have 2-3 centers as well.
Monte should like the apron. Aprons are sleeveless.
Haha!
It’s more of a salary visor.
James Hamm says NOP want a third team involved so they can get a center out of this deal. Maybe they should just take the draft pick we trade to them (2027) and draft one.
I don’t think there are any loose centers out there. Stewart but is he a center?
They should have thought of that when they let Jonas go.
Gafford might be available, maybe Poeltl, Carter Jr. There are some out there that are probably attainable.
I think the most available player who could help push the NOP trade through would be Capela from ATL.
Seeing reports on X that Kings are in negotiations on potentially multiple big trades. Let’s see if MM can close the deal for once.
Who says these things?
Sources
Damien was referring to text he got from Scoop B (an NBA insider)
An oldie but goodie:
Forgot about this reporter, don’t even remember his name. Rick Bucher was another douche of a reporter.
Bucher!
Damien Barling of BSPN 1320
We’ve been able to say this exact same sentence about 50 times in the past two seasons and nothing has come of it.
“For once.”
We’re easily at for twice, maybe even for three times, depending on your opinion.
I’m still waiting on Ainge to do something in Utah. They drafted Cody Williams at #10 to be a wing, where Lauri currently plays but is better suited as a 4. They have Collins at the 4, but have Taylor Hendricks who they drafted at #9 last year waiting in the wings. They then drafted a center in Filipowski and just signed another center in Drew Eubanks, but have Waker Kessler as the clear starter.
In my book, that’s 3 centers and 3 power forwards. Collins just has to be available.
I rather we get Collins than Ingram at this point, especially if Lauri is not on the table for us.
There’s talks of Lauri to Warriors which would be a pretty low blow and deplete our chances greatly at beating them in a 7 game series.
In spite of all the negatives on John Collins IMO he is still a very good player and a really good fit next to Sabonis. This would give Monty more trades to help made the Kings imrove on other aspects of the team.
Collins should be cheap enough that if they really really wanted they could get him and Ingram…now that means you either bring Collins off the bench OR you slide Murray to the 2 spot and he is a matchup nightmare for teams.
Fox/Murray/BI/Collins/Sabonis is a LOOOONG team with very balanced offensive capabilities
Murray at 2? Guy has little lateral quickness. He will get run over by players like Edwards. They would eat him alive. Murray is not very quick or fast.
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Jayson Tatum just signed the larges contract in NBA history. 5 year $314M max extension. He’ll make over $70M in the final year of his deal. Crazy money
And the Celts are for sale. What do you say? $7B? $8B?
I’ve seen those numbers reported, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it hits $10B. From what I understand they have a 4 year exit strategy planned.
That’s a lot of cheddar.
Wyc and Co bought the team in 2002. Gonna make a nice haul off of that.
That aspect makes it kind of funny. The outgoing group is like “pay Tatum, pay fucking everybody! By the time the bill comes due, we’ll be on a beach, earning twenty percent.”
Gruber’d.
Don’t know how they’re fielding a roster given how much they’re paying they’re big 5. Guess it doesn’t matter, they’re a lock to make the ECF at a minimum every year, just F it and pay the luxury tax.
Check this out…
Their expected 2026 luxury tax bill is $125M!
you cannot stop overly rich dudes from spending like there is no tomorrow. Have money, will spend.
They simply cannot help themselves
But ask them to pay an additional percent in taxes and it’s Cry havoc! And let slip the dogs of poor!
Ha. Totally. Though I do wish the kings had an owner who didn’t mind throwing around money on the team.
I don’t have vitriol toward Ranadive as many do, but I would like him to at least try throwing money at the problem. Give McNair the latitude to stand on level ground with other GMs when chasing talent.
He doesn’t owe us, and I understand that he has people to whom he is responsible, but my assumption is that men in his position covet rings more than they do an uptick in profits.
From what I am seeing, even if they fill out their roster with minimum deals, they are looking at a 2026 luxury tax bill of $180M…
True, the $125M is the absolute minimum and its only based on the big 5 plus Jordan Walsh and Payton Pritchard (7-man roster)
The new CBA has got to be making competent GM’s think differently about how to construct a roster that is viable long-term. Based on MM’s past activity (or lack thereof) is it possible that he is trying to play the long game? Not sure that matches up with the Kings core if we have championship aspirations. It ain’t like Fox et al are getting any younger.
Unless Keegan is being moved. I really don’t see the pathway to Ingram and Especially Markennan. Not happening. Pels and Utah are not taking on a player coming off an AcL, a terrible season and essentially a one trick pony for 17 mil. Pels will have no interest in Barnes. Especially at that going rate of 19 mil.
it would have to be a min of 4-5 picks for Lauri and the same for BI.
Kings don’t have young assets that are real enticing. Ellis? For what reason they already have a Top 3 D in the NBA.
He’s redundant. Huerter is a spot shooter who’s too slow on D and would compromise the Pels D.
I still see Kuzma or Cam as most likely.
Agreed that Markkanen is unattainable without Murray, therefore, I don’t want that trade to go down at all. I do believe Ingram can be had without trading Murray. The focus should be on Ingram, Jerami Grant, Kuzma, and Cam Johnson. I don’t want any trade that involves Murray being moved.
Who tore their ACL?
Huerter had labrum tear- shoulder, not knee
as the clock ticks, FA’s are flying away- J. Smith, Goga, Jonas and Melton ( did not want last 2). DJJ. Marshall
some potential help if going for tier 4-5 guys.
Looks like Monte is in for tier 2-3- Ingrahm, Markenon, Kuzma and Johnson- better moves really if that works.
Otherwise, the FAs are flying off the shelves.
I could be reading this wrong, but I think we just traded for Brandon Ingram.
Please don’t be pulling my leg
I’m trying not to! I think I’m about to pass out.
Weird, if you Google Ingram, you see a note that says “Brandon Ingram reportedly being traded to Sacramento Kings”. But then it just has links to rumors.
Thank goodness there is no record of this!! I got worried there– we need to realize that the odds of him re-signing is very low. We would likely be standing around like fools next year, unless we get so dang lucky that we can trade him at the February deadline.
I don’t think the Kings do it without knowing he would re sign. He is familiar with Alvin Gentry and they have a good relationship. I think they would have good chance to get him to re sign.
Interesting, I guess I don’t trust any player enough. For example, I have read that Paul George stated publicly that he wanted to retire in Los Angeles. He also said that he liked OKC and the other teams that he wants. I’m shocked that Monk stayed loyal, but that’s rare (Fox won’t sing the extension). I don’t think I am willing to take the risk that he re-signs, nor do I think he re-signs for less than $25-30 million. I don’t think we want that deal, which leads to an inability to bring in more depth.
Fox won’t sign the extension until this season ends, as he will reap significant rewards if he makes an All-NBA team.
Maybe that is the hold up with any deals. Players committing to re-sign in Sac, and the ownership group deciding if they want to pony up the cash.
I would hope those scenarios have already been gamed out long before FA started.
Just wondering, how many of us folks are comfortable with a possible “run it back” situation? Yes or no?
Hell no!!!!!! Monte proved to be a way too cautious fool when he under-spent last summer, even when most of us knew that we needed more help. Capitalizing on Huerter’s good year would have been nice (we of course would have never known that he would regress).
He then does nothing at the trade deadline when we could have used more length. Our defense was bad and we under-performed so damn much. It was obvious that the current team was a disaster and we proved it, losing to the Pelicans a few more times.
Then, he throws Davion to the wolves and gets basically nothing, even though we gave away 2 second-round picks. Instead of acting fast in the first 24 hours, he refuses to sign Jalen Smith or N. Marshall to decent contracts. He then doesn’t bother getting Oubre or Derrick Jones. He hasn’t even gotten a guy, like Stewart or Achiwau, who might be a bit easier to trade for. Wendell Carter or someone a little lower key would have been nice. I think we will make desperate moves because he has been inactive for exactly 1 year!!
I am a very conservative pseudo-GM, so Ingram and Kuzma do not interest me much as all. Portis certainly does; Wendell Carter for sure and Cam Johnson a bit. He makes my spending look phenomenal. Unless he acts in the next 24 hours, I’m afraid that I will lose all hope. If we stand still in the next month, I would not fire him, but would get on board with the idea that he’s a bust. I’d give him a B for the time up until now, but if we enter August like this, then he gets a D-. His drafting Davion was sad and his trading skills are weak at best.
I really hope he proves me wrong!!
The thing about signing free agents, is that they have to agree to the terms being offered. It’s not like grocery shopping where you can just grab a box of cereal and go check out. The cereal doesn’t have to agree to be purchased
Maybe Monte offered deals and they were turned down for whatever reason.
Maybe he and Brown didn’t like the fit of the guys in the system.
Perhaps the players wanted a different style to play or a different city. I highly doubt Monte and the basketball operations staff is just sitting there twirling their thumbs or binging Netflix.
I want roster upgrades as well, and understand that there is more than 2 days to make those upgrades.
But that goes against what Im reading on the best Sacramento Kings blog forums. I want my money back!!! ( kingsherald can keep my patreon fees though)
I wasn’t good with it last year.
Monte has put himself in a tight situation by not garnering/drafting assets last year (and Davion). And maybe waiting too long to move Heurter etc
Hopefully he can make something happen. He said he’d been keeping thing’s flexible for this moment, so I gotta imagine he’ll do something.
Cmon year 1 Monte
I have this bad feeling like no matter what we do, whether it’s Ingram or whoever, we’re not adrressing the elephant in the room – can you really construct a championship roster with Fox and Sabonis taking this much cap space? Don’t get me wrong, I like both of them, but we’re paying them like they are Shaq and Kobe. Boston is now paying their two stars a ton, but they can because their two stars are championship caliber.
In some ways, I almost think Fox not extending works in the Kings favor in that regard. Looking at the haul that some of these teams are getting in trade for players who are good or very good, I wonder if the Kings wouldn’t be better off dealing him after this season. Don’t get me wrong, I love Fox, but I’m not sold on Fox / Domas being a championship caliber core.
I agree. And I hope I’m wrong as well.
Bingo. Fox and Domas are fun to watch but if they are your 2 best players then you aren’t a serious team.
I wouldn’t be enamored with it. I do think Carter will be better than Davion, so I see that as an upgrade.
Keegan will probably be better than last season.
Keon for an entire season will help.
No Javale will improve the roster.
If Huerter gets back to his 1st season status with the Kings then that would help.
All in all, there still needs to be upgrades, either in depth or higher end talent. Either way, moves have to be made, and going back with the same top 8 guys won’t garner many more wins.
no
no and the clock is ticking on the marginal improvements from the marginal FA’s- they are flying off the shelves. Now it seems like big or zero
Comfortable? No. I’ll definitely squirm in my chair but I’m not running screaming for the exits, either. If they run it back, they better be super active at the trade deadline when they’re sitting in 9th place.
I’m just happy that we have a team in Sacramento and are a contender for a play-in spot and that I can tell myself that we are no longer the laughing stock of the NBA while having dismissive takes on moves of other teams that are finally worse than us.
Living the life!
Just wondering, have you heard or read about anyone suggesting that doing so would be a good idea, or even acceptable? My recollection is that McNair is on the record about such a scenario not cutting it.
No. The FO has to see, like most of us, stretch 4 is the glaring issue.
Do Not Just Run It Back. Get a 4 who can defend and rebound. That’s who would compliment Sabonis and Murray. The whole frontcourt will be better. The second unit will be better with Barnes. That’s the one piece (now that they kept Monk) they need to improve.
No real links or anything else about it. I thought this was kind of interesting though
According to Matt George it sounds like if Markinen deal doesn’t happen, the Kings have others in place -possible. So, it sure sounds like Montes doin something
That is an AI response to your Google search…they are hilariously bad sometimes.
Recently, listeners to KC & DLo have been sending in AI summaries of the daily live chat, and boy does it flat out make a bunch of silly stuff up. Obviously, AI is in its infancy, but when they spew nonsense it’s like reading an old mad-lib from my childhood.
Mo Bamba one year deal with Clips.
Would have been a nice backup big. MM keeping things status quo with Len.
Do you feel that Bamba would be better in a limited backup role than Alex Len?
IF Markennan or BI difficult to keep, then , I would still be fine with Cam Johnson and Jonathan Issacs. Markennan still priority (trading Keegan), but only if we could get Cam J as well.
Maybe Monte has decided that he can’t win here and he’s just trying not to do anything too stupid (like the last guy excelled in doing) so he looks better for future job openings?
Or, more likely, there’s other reasons that nothing has happened so far? 🤷🏻♂️
Lauri is the better fit, BI is the better scorer, Kuzma is the better value. Don’t want to deal with Danny Ainge. If I’m Monte, I’m keeping Fox, Sabonis, Murray, and Monk. Would give up no more than two firsts. Deal within those constraints unless some stupid good deal gets thrown at you.
Collins is better than Kuzma. Much better fit. I still would keep Ellis and Carter.
Yeah, I’d prefer Collins over Kuzma by a country mile.
Hot take Time:
Collins improves the starting 5 in conventional ways – he rebounds and defends and scores somewhat, on plays and opportunities. He is your fifth starter, amd frankly, if you keep Harrison Barnes, I am not so sure Mike Brown starts him. He is $26M this season and next. He solidifies your roster, the roster is bigger and better by depth. He provides more of the length to defend the bigger teams that Sac has struggled with. To be a 50 win team, Keegan must be a stronger self creator his 3rd season if you add Collins.
Kuzma provides another scoring threat. For those crumbled games last season – the losses to Detroit, Charlotte, Wizards, PHX when they were up by 18 with 5 min left, the Dante Exum loss to Dallas – Kuzma is another offensive weapon when the well dries up. He more likely converts those games to wins. He rebounds and defends at a starter level, but not as effectively as Collins and he isn’t a PF that Sac needs to have in their frontcourt.
Neither player has shown the ability nor desire to lead on the court or in the locker room. Neither could be seen as a potential All-Star.
By a stretch, again, all just my opinions.
Markannen, by a country mile, is ideal for Sac, but not by subtracting Keegan. He’s 35 min of the best of Naz Reid every night.He would be transformative not an enhancement like the other two.
Brandon Ingram is an All-Star version of Kyle Kuzma with less health. I worry about his attitude- just me, the way he carries himself – but I am a dumb fan. He makes the Kings better but the team is still undersized. He’s a tall wing, not a PF.
And 1 –
I am nearly as high on Julius Randle as Markanenn but health is more of an issue
What do you guys think about Huerter for DLo?
Not a fan of D-Lo, but that seems fair value.
Didn’t he just opt in for one final year? So it would be a one year retal, no? Not keen on that.
Yes, he opted in to his final year at around $18m so their salaries match up. I think that trade would be a win for both teams. Kings get someone who can score while creating their own shot which they needed last season and the Lakers get more shooting around Lebron. There is that one year rental thing but if he works out, his market should be a little over $20m to resign. If not, then he is an expiring you can move at the deadline. Just thinking outside the box of the normal trade targets and a move that is actually realistic. Huerter for DLo and Barnes, Duarte, and a pick for Kuzma. Gives you a chance to be good without mortgaging the future.
Fox
DLo/Monk
Kuzma
Murray
Sabons
Not a bad starting 5 with Monk still playing his role off the bench or DLo taking over Monks reserve role.
Either way Fox needs to stop being so nonchalant and be aggressive the whole game, not just the 4th quarter. He needs that fire and chip on his shoulder he played with in his first 2 seasons when he still had hair. Like it or not, he is still the head of the snake and this team goes as far as he takes them.
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