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Chainmail: The Deadline Cometh

The Sacramento Kings are in the playoff fight of their lives and the deadline approaches. Give us a sure fire trade or player to secure the Kings berth and end this sixteen year streak!
By and | 50 Comments | Feb 1, 2023

Welcome back after a nice little break to another year of trade deadline centric Chainmail! The Kings are third in the West but teams are gaining ground while the Kings head out for a nice long road trip.  Let’s review, shall we?

  • Sacramento is 3.5 games behind Memphis for second place and 4 games ahead of Utah, currently in 10th! The Clippers, Warriors and Suns are all 3 games or less back of the Kings for the division title!
  • The Kings have gone 2-3 since the end of their 6 game win streak.
  • The Sacramento Kings bench has dropped to 17th in scoring over the last 10 games.
  • While the Kings haven’t been linked to anyone in rumors so far, the current crop of candidates rumored to be on the block, (Mason Plumlee, Naz Reid, Doug McDermott, Mo Bamba and John Collins to name a few) could all provide something the Kings are lacking.

Drop those questions, drop those trades, drop those inhibitions and get to getting so Tim and Will can spend a ton of time answering only to look dumb post-deadline!

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jlandweh
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February 1, 2023 12:34 pm

Do you expect the Kings to make a splash (by trading HB or others) for big names OR are you expecting fringe moves? What fringe moves would you like to see or expect?

What do you think…

Naz Reid and T. Prince for TD and Alex Len plus 2 2nd rounders?

OR

Clint Capela for TD, Richaun Holmes, plus 2 2nd rounders?

Jack
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February 1, 2023 2:23 pm
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IMO Reid doesn’t protect the rim and Capella costs way too much for a backup center.

Jack
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February 1, 2023 2:31 pm
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I hear Philly wants an upgrade at backup center. I can see a trade to them with Holmes for Matisse Thybulle and maybe Furkan Kurkman. Matisse would be a great help on the defensive side as he can guard wings and some power forwards. A long with Davion we could really cut down on straight line drives and take pressure off of Sabonis and other big men. He doesn’t score but we have plenty of those.

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February 1, 2023 2:39 pm
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They won’t get a first. He does have a declining contract but at 32 maybe one or two more good years is about all. I don’t know if it is possible but I like Zach Collins. Will watch him tonight. If the Spurs are doing what I think they are but you never know POP. Maybe Davis, Metu and Len and a second or two might do it. If and I say if he is healthy and void of injuries at 25 he could improve into a really good player for the Kings. What do you guys think? Especially murraytant or Adamsite.

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February 1, 2023 3:02 pm
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I’d love to get Collins, but I think the Spurs are going to want some pretty decent compensation. His TO next season really makes him appealing, but also makes him insurance in case the Spurs loose Poeltl

Zch is s also having a bounce back season. His January numbers were impressive: 10, 6, and 2 while shooting 38% from three in just 20MPG. He’d be an instant upgrade to backup Sabonis.

The Spurs might bite on Holmes for Collins, especially if they are moving Poeltl by the deadline. The Spurs are way below the salary floor, so paying more for Holmes is of no consequence to them.

All that being said, I bet they are waiting until the deadline to take on some bad deal for draft compensation. If Lakers pull the trigger, I could see them taking Westbrook and a pick for any Spurs not named Sochan, Vassel, or Johnson.

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February 2, 2023 10:46 am
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His TO next season really makes him appealing, but also makes him insurance in case the Spurs loose Poeltl

I think you are overrating his value Adam, but that’s just my opinion. Collins is having a nice season, but the Spurs are not good enough at this point (maybe not as bad as their record) to worry about in house replacements. The only actual qualification for running a lineup out there is having 5 guys, there’s no rule that says you have to a guy 6’9 or taller.

Anyway, I don’t think teams are going to make trades until, in particular, owners recognize that the prices paid for Murray and Gobert were aberrations not market prices in a normal marketplace.

Once teams are realistic about what the market actually is going to pay, we’re going to see trades. And a guy like Poeltl might be worth a 1st to OKC who he makes sense for IMO. But…..that’s a one shot type of deal. I don’t see Denver paying a 1st for Mason Plumlee and I don’t even know how the Kings could send a 1st to Charlotte for Plumlee.

It is what it is. Teams are going to have to adjust what they see as value, and there is going to be a lot of movement, I suspect, in the last 48-96 hours once owners recognize Mason Plumlee isn’t worth a goddamn FRP for fucks sake.

Just my read on it.

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February 1, 2023 3:43 pm
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Jack- I take your challenge.
The defense can be improved at the rim or maybe by protecting the periphery. That’s where Thybulle comes into play- protect the perimeter, don’t let them get to the rim. His shooting has regressed but he can guard. I would definitely trade for him. Avoid giving up a first. Philly wants a backup center- would they take Holmes? I would do that.
I like Reid too, but the price may be too high. Avoid giving up a first round pick.
Capela- too expensive for a backup.
Collins- honestly, he does not move the needle for me. At best, marginally better than the Metu or Holmes option. At worst- not better at all.

Big question for me is – are there enough sellers so Kings can be buyers without paying too much. The more sellers, the better. With the play-in, too many teams want to buy that “one last piece”. Who would sell, what do they have and what will it cost?
SAS are sellers but do they want anything but expiring deals and future picks? A 3 for one deal is tough for SAS to swallow.
Josh Richardson from SAS is a long wing- plays defense but has a 12-million-dollar deal. I do like Thybulle better. and I love your him + Furkan for Holmes deal.
I am just not convinced that there are any significant rim protector guys at a reasonable price. I do like Nik Richards who is now the third center for the Hornets. The focus the shifts to wings who can keep the opponents away from the rim.
Heard that the duds are interested in Thybulle and are offering JaMychal Green but is he a good enough backup to Embiid? He does not even play for the duds.
Kings lower-level assets are second rounders, + Len + TD, + Holmes. Second or high-level assets include Davion, HB and doubtfully Keegan. Any trade including any of them risks serious disruption.
If push came to shove, I would take Collins for Holmes. I clearly see the SAS as one of the only sellers.

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February 1, 2023 12:54 pm

With Toronto supposedly wanting multiple first rounds picks for OG Anunoby, who isn’t even an all star, did the Rudy Gobert trade completely tip the scales for GM’s to have rational expectations in player value? Hell, the Hornets apparently want a first rounder for Plumlee!

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February 1, 2023 2:07 pm
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I like to imagine that if any GM had set a realistic price target on their player, they would have gotten the trade done already. The prices you hear about now are buyers dream prices

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February 1, 2023 3:46 pm
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The dumb Minnesota deals re-set the bar to ridiculous heights. OG can’t stay healthy and is NOT worth 2 first rounders. Hornets are sellers and are just trying to raise the price for Plumblee.
Sellers might have a field day- then the Kings should just sit out the frenzy and stupidity.

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February 1, 2023 4:29 pm
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Anunoby is a great defensive talent, but he’s kinda like Jerami Grant, when I’d be really worried it would be hard to convince him to pull back his game. He’s an exceptionally inefficient offensive player who really needs to be handling and shooting a lot less. Add that to his health history and the supposed price tag and I’m pretty wary of going after him.

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February 1, 2023 12:57 pm

Barring the type of trade that drastically alters Sacramento’s cap situation going into summer, how highly prioritized should the re-signing of our expiring players be?

Barnes, Lyles, and Davis are different kinds of players, but to varying degrees, each have played important roles in the Kings’ success this season. My guess is that Davis would stick around for a reasonable number, Lyles would probably earn a nice bump, but not beyond seven figures, and should be retained if at all possible. And then there’s HB.

He’s thirty, but playing incredibly well, and has the type of game that is clearly aging nicely. I don’t think that a four-year deal would be a death sentence for the team, but I’d be happier with three. With the salary cap rising, what do you think that a yearly salary for Barnes might look like through, say, the ’26-’27 season?

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February 1, 2023 1:22 pm
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I think TD is gone. Too many DNP/CD and inconsistent minutes for him. He could find a bigger role elsewhere.

Lyles will want a significant pay raise, and deservedly so. I have no clue what Monte will do with him.

As to HB, with recent vets getting bigger and bigger deals, I could see him wanting a 3 year $60M deal. The cap is only going to go up so $20M per year seems like the current going rate for your third or fourth option right now. I’d love for him to sign a team friendly deal in the ball park of 3 years $45M, but I don’t think that is happening.

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February 1, 2023 1:37 pm
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yeah, a 3yr declining 16/15/14 would be great

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February 1, 2023 1:59 pm
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I’d also be cool with a 4th year TO or partial guarantee. It’s not likely Barnes is going to be get more on the open market at age 34, but he could still have great value at say…$10M.

I look at what Jeff Green does for the Nuggets at age 36 and making $4M per year and think Barnes could be worth $10M at age 34 in 2027. Especially when taking into consideration a much higher salary cap by then.

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February 2, 2023 1:32 pm
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I think a fair deal would be something like a 3 year $51M descending, 18/17/16, with unlikely bonuses for a Western Conference Final appearance that could get him a few million more.

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February 1, 2023 2:10 pm

Keep Barnes.

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February 1, 2023 2:39 pm

Keep Barnes.

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February 1, 2023 2:35 pm

Been waiting for this! First, a disclaimer: based on philosophy I feel you need at least 2 top 15 players in this league in order to compete for a title. Domas is one of those guys, but i don’t believe Fox is. I know others have argued that we should get a third guy to support Fox and Domas, but I think elite talent is the most important thing. In which case, why not flip Fox for a top guy?

Who then? Well, looking around, the only other Top 15 guy that seems gettable and fits the teams needs and timeline is….Pascal Siakam. So, why not trade Fox for Siakam?

I don’t believe this will happen btw, but it would be the next major move in making this team elite. Siakam is a great defender that can protect the weakside next to Sabonis. He spaces the floor, can playmake and get a bucket as needed.

We would lose out on Fox’s elite self-creation, but I think small scoring guards are way easier to find than who Siakam is. You’d take advantage of the Raptors wanting to enter the Scottie Barnes era and Pascal’s soon to be expiring contract (especially if you wait to make this trade next off-season) to get a slight discount, and flip Fox whose value seems to be at an all time high. Not to mention, Pascal is a replaceable piece for them on their roster, and Fox is replaceable on ours. We’d probs need to throw in Keegan as a sweetener, tho, and they’d need to give us FVV or Flynn to replace production.

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We’d remain relatively flexible on cap space. You resign Barnes and Davion either proves to be the starting PG or you replace him in trade/draft/FA. Siakam/Sabonis is one of the most dynamic frontcourt pairings in the league, and the supporting cast is about one star guard away from a Finals run. What do you guys think?

But if you don’t want a big swing, some lesser name guys I like that wouldn’t cost as much – Naz Reid, Santi Aldama, Mason Plumlee, Matisse Thybulle, Josh Richardson and Josh Hart. Any interest in these guys if the other question is too long-winded?

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February 1, 2023 2:49 pm
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I was also entertaining that thought of Fox for Siakam – but then there would be a glaring hole at PG – and is it worth the risk? Then again, a combo/slasher PG does not really benefit Sabonis all that much. Having dudes who can shoot the 3 around him is optimal. A Sabonis/Siakam pairing has me thinking like a Vlade/Webber combo – and then you want your PG to hit that 3, which Fox is sub-par at.

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February 1, 2023 4:09 pm
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Both of you two above are forgetting a couple of things. First Fox wants to a a King. He wants to lead the team to the playoffs and eventually a championship. He is committed. Next you have to be watching this year. Fox right now is the best clutch player in the NBA. Siakan might be that guy but not right now. Next Fox is becoming the leader on the Kings. The whole team is bonded and Fox is at the head of that bond.They trust each other like each other and play for each other. This is huge when you have a new culture and a new identity. All these play into who Fox is. I would not trade him for Siakam.

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February 1, 2023 5:15 pm
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Agree with you Jack.

Fox, at least offensively, is outstanding. And is he a worse defender than Western All-Star/reserve considerations – Steph, Devin, Dame, CJ, Luka? I don’t think so.

There is a reason he is to likely be an All-Star (voted in by coaches, media) this season.

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February 1, 2023 2:58 pm
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based on philosophy I feel you need at least 2 top 15 players in this league in order to compete for a title

According to that, then probably just the Lakers and Clippers are title contenders. If you think the Celtics, Bucks, 76ers, Grizzlies or the Nuggets are contenders then you have revise that philosophy or lower to top 20 or top 25 instead of top 15. If it is top 25, then you can probably make a case that both Domas and Fox are in.

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February 1, 2023 4:18 pm
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I really agree. I would rather have Sabonis and Fox along with the guys who are right now playing for each other. I might do some fringe trades before the deadline but nothing major where you don’t upset the apple cart. Although the Clippers are moving up as expected they have two players like who you have mentioned and the Kings are still ahead of them.

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February 1, 2023 5:30 pm
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I’ll accept Top 25-30, yes. 15 is indeed a small group. And even if Fox is in that Top 30 (arguable), hes still the third fiddle on a title team. Sabonis and Siakam is the 1-2 punch, finding a third chair is much easier.

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February 1, 2023 7:02 pm
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If I’m Monte, here’s my offer to the Raptors. Who says no?

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February 1, 2023 2:41 pm

As a cheap play – I think Mo Bamba would fit in well – rim protection and have him hang out at the 3 point line.
As a home run move – Something along the lines of Keegan Murray (sorry, LOVE the dude) for Siakam for a Sabonis/Siakam pairing. Would even consider tossing in Barnes for that move.

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February 1, 2023 3:00 pm

OK, don’t boo me

MItchell and Metu for Caruso.

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February 1, 2023 3:51 pm
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Caruso- for goodness sakes- is commanding a lot of attention. Duds, for one, love him. Bulls are sellers, but why would they want Davion and Metu for him?

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February 1, 2023 4:04 pm
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It is just shuffling pieces that better fit. Because they don’t have a healthy PG and we have an extra one.

There maybe some draft compensation to them as well. No first round pick though.

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February 1, 2023 4:37 pm
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no

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February 1, 2023 5:36 pm
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Yes. Caruso gives you what Davion does, only he hist 40% from three. I’d prefer to send Len as opposed to Metu.

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February 1, 2023 5:46 pm
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I’d like the Caru-SHOW in Sacramento. But he may cost more than he’s worth.

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February 1, 2023 3:01 pm

I know we’re not supposed to check Tankathon with the way things are going, but I would not be mad if we were able to land Kris Murray in the next draft.

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February 1, 2023 4:43 pm

The Beam would be shining!

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February 1, 2023 3:35 pm

(What) would you offer for Crowder?

Davis, Len, and a 2nd?

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February 1, 2023 4:20 pm
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None of the above. Maybe Len and a second that’s all.

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February 1, 2023 4:02 pm

While I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Kings make a move, I’m a little worried of selling the farm for a win now move. Or a “get in the playoffs” move. The Kings have won at a rate that all but two teams have sustained in the western conference and have a lot of developing players. I hope Monte makes moves to maintain flexibility as this team isn’t a finished product. I could see the team getting younger and trading for upside for a guy like Bamba. What would the Magic want or realistically receive for Bamba? Would Holmes and a top 20 protected 1st get it done? Or Holmes and 2 seconds? I wouldn’t give up any starters in this deal, nor any consistently contributing bench players (Monk, Davion, Lyles).

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February 2, 2023 9:52 am
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Bamba plays 17mpg on a really bad Orlando team. He has only played over 17mpg on a season once (last season at 25.7). He is behind Carter Jr., Bol, and splits time now with Mo Wagner. No way any draft capital should be used for getting that guy.

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February 1, 2023 4:22 pm

With the extremely tight race for the post season it is going to be the best two weeks of April NBA is too long a while.

That means that every game counts and every roster spot counts. I expect a ton of shuffling over the next 9 days.

For a team like Sac there are some interesting directions – sitting with a lead at the #3 spot is fully unexpected. Can you imagine if the Kings lost another few games? If they were .500 right now? On the one hand, you’d be happy they were at that level but the creeping feeling of imminent disappointment would be doomin’ and gloom’ your heart. Maybe you have that already. As I wrote in a post a couple of days ago – February 10, 2019 the Dave Joerger Kings with Fox, Barnes, Bjelica, WCS and Buddy Hield bested the 11-47 Suns to get to 30-26 as Marvin Bagley III led all scorers with 32. With 26 games remaining, that team ended up 39-43 (9-17).

The Kings could do a repeat performance. I sure don’t think so, but nobody thought that then either. The going will be dogfight tough this last third of the season. And of course, there’s always injuries.

Sac’s got holes to fill, certainly – a back up for Domas is primary. But with so many teams in the chase, as many have said – it’s a seller’s market. I don’t see how McGenius is going to pull a rabbit out of his hat on this one. Maybe you sit on your hands this round.

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February 1, 2023 4:25 pm

Since I’m not around much, I’m probably Crandall’ing here, but apparently the death rattle that is STR is finally going to draw its last breath.

As for the Kings plans, I expect a mid-level move using a couple 2nds and a non-starter for some positional depth. I’ve been thinking about people like Isaiah Jackson and Brisset from the Pacers. Or Kenyon Martin Jr. Plumlee was a good target IMO, until he started putting up the best season of his career. I imagine the price tag is a bit higher than I would like now. But a bigger deal including him and, say, McDaniels would be interesting if I’m wrong.

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February 2, 2023 12:50 pm

Kings traded the #53 slot to Houston and they drafted Kenyon Martin jr.

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February 2, 2023 6:02 pm
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Yep

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February 1, 2023 4:56 pm

Your Super Bowl host offers two menu choices, but you can only pick one. Which is it?

-Cheesesteak sliders, crab fries, Tastykake’s Peanut Butter Kandy Kake.

or

-BBQ burnt ends, beer-battered cheese curds, banana cream pie.

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February 1, 2023 5:19 pm

I don’t know who says no to this one, but Holmes, TD, Len, and three to four second round picks for John Collins. If that doesn’t do it, unprotect the first and give fewer seconds.

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February 2, 2023 12:51 pm
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Hawks say no

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February 2, 2023 10:25 am

Zach Collins and Josh Richardson for Richaun Holmes and Terence Davis plus a 2nd round pick in 2023 and 2024. Who says no?

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February 2, 2023 11:34 am
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Yes please.

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February 2, 2023 12:51 pm
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yes, yes and yes. No just say no here.

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