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Bucks 131, Kings 123: DaQuan Jeffries impresses again

Sacramento took on the best team in the East on an early Saturday morning.
By | 121 Comments | Jul 25, 2020

Credit: Sacramento Kings

The Sacramento Kings tipped off their second scrimmage game on an early Saturday morning against the Milwaukee Bucks, who were dominant on both ends for the majority of the game.

De’Aaron Fox, coming off an ankle sprain, got minutes in the first three quarters today and was able to get his feet wet. With opening day in a week is good to see for him.

DaQuan Jeffries continued to impress on both ends and Luke Walton gave him hefty minutes. Jeffries showed he can switch as a defender, jump passing lanes and get blocks. The Kings have something here.

Milwaukee couldn’t miss from deep all game with the Lopez Brothers hitting everything they attempted. When that’s happening, there’s little you can do on your end.

Here are the notes from the game:

First Quarter:

Kent Bazemore had a play in the post early on. That’s usually what you see with Harrison Barnes since he’s an adept passer in the post, but good to see Bazemore’s role expanding in the current offense.

The Kings on offense would attack the paint and with Brook Lopez usually in there, that’s a bold strategy. Lopez usually held the advantage.

Sacramento trailed 16-5 with 6:53 remaining. Milwaukee’s paint defense began to suffocate any King attempting to attack and Milwaukee also closed out well at the arc.

The Kings cut the deficit to 21-16, with Bazemore and Bjelica knocking down threes. On defense, the Kings forced some turnovers and pushed the tempo to catch Milwaukee off guard. It helped to go small-ball with Bjelica at center, freeing up the paint to attack more often.

Harry Giles got a high post opportunity and found Bazemore cutting down the baseline for a poster dunk on Donte DiVincenzo. Best play of the quarter for Sacramento.

Second Quarter:

Corey Brewer made a corner three to start the quarter. He’s looked good from beyond the arc in these scrimmages.

Well Buddy Hield attacked the rim on a left-handed dribble drive with Giannis Antetokounmpo and Robin Lopez in his way. Hield still finished.

Fox, who did play despite the ankle sprain, looked good with his feet movement and saw more minutes in this quarter. Promising signs for opening day.

The game was close, but Milwaukee extended their lead to 61-45. It didn’t help the Kings that Robin Lopez drilled multiple threes.

Hield scored 17 points in 17 minutes, looking pretty good with his shot. He didn’t look as sharp on defense which hasn’t been a strength for him.

Milwaukee led 80-60 to end the first half as they got hot from deep. The best in the East for a reason even though the Kings are short-handed.

Third Quarter:

Fox looked more comfortable on both ends, attempting to jump the lane for a steal and showing elite court vision to find open looks regardless if they went in or not.

Bogdan Bogdanovic drilled a three coming off a Giles screen. Bogi definitely needed that because he’s been very quiet this game. A few minutes later, Bogi drove to the rim and finished over two defenders to hit eight points.

Bjelica eventually got into a rhythm knocking down open looks from three. Going small-ball with Bjelica at the five helped him get better looks and guys like Bogi found him.

Bogi continued to be aggressive in this quarter, not being as passive as he was in the first half. He hit multiple triples and set others up for look as well.

Fourth Quarter:

Jabari Parker made his debut into the game and scored down low right away showing good patience with the defense all over him.

Milwaukee made 18-36 attempts from three. Can’t do much when the best in the East is lighting it up like that even though the Kings had backups out there.

Kyle Guy made his first appearance in the game with 7:51 minutes to go.

Jeffries continued to impress by anticipating passing lanes and drawing fouls the other way. Two straight good games from the 22-year-old forward.

Jabari Parker blocked a shot coming off the weakside which led to the Kings pushing the tempo. Brewer would hit a corner three. On the following play, Brewer picked a pocket and threw down an open dunk. The Kings cut the lead to 117-110.

Justin James made his first appearance late in the fourth quarter. It appears as if Jeffries has certainly leaped him in the rotation and deservedly so. James would later make a corner three on a pass from Parker.

Sacramento didn’t play too bad, Milwaukee is clearly on another level and that became apparent in the second quarter. The Kings play its final scrimmage game on Monday at 1:00 p.m. against the Los Angeles Clippers. It will be streamed live at Kings.com.

 

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RobHessing
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July 25, 2020 12:12 pm

When you combine Bogi’s next contract, a constricted cap, and Jeffries’ performance, you may have the reasons why the Kings do not re-sign Bazemore.

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July 25, 2020 12:18 pm
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Or reasons why they don’t sign BOgi.
 
Buddy IMO is better and needs to start, if he wants to. I’ve seen a spring of Bogdan starting and these past few games to question his motor or €œnot showing up€
 
Instead of paying Bogdan 15 a year, I could think of a lot I’d do otherwise. For starters retaining Baze/Brewer with Buddy/Barnes/Jeffries/James and adding another solid role player

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July 25, 2020 12:32 pm
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I will believe that Vlade and co. walk away from Bogi when it happens.

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July 25, 2020 1:13 pm
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And they paid Buddy well more than Bogi would be at 15 million per.

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July 25, 2020 2:02 pm
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Buddy is well more talented
 
What is a 20ppg guy with an elite skill who, although clumsily, is improving his playmaking by the year.
 
Its like questioning why Klay (without Buddy’s rebounding and plus Buddy’s defense) is making that
 
and he brings it nightly and has beast work ethic to improve
 
what is the point of Bogdan? He can initiate on the second unit?

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July 25, 2020 7:20 pm
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I feel like he used to drive to the lane more in the past. All he seems to do now is shoot 3s. If that is all he is going to do then of course Buddy is the better shooter. Bogi needs to take advantage of his other skills more often. He lacks aggressiveness.

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July 25, 2020 12:27 pm
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I think Bazemore’s usage in the starting lineup is taking away from Bogi a bit too, but Baze off the bench with Buddy and sprinkled time with starters seems like a solid rotation.
 
Salary cap issues and signing mediocre players to big contracts is starting to bite the Kings in the but though.
 
Overall, I just see a lot of mediocrity and fringe all-star Fox moving forward.

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July 25, 2020 12:37 pm
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Yeah this roster is just good enough to be in the 8th seed conversation and they may even make it one year ( I doubt it personally) but the ceiling of this group is incredibly low unless Fox takes a leap from good player to star player or Marvin Bagley becomes anything (not looking likely).

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July 25, 2020 1:02 pm

Who is this Marvin you speak of?

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July 25, 2020 1:08 pm
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Don’t hurt his psyche! That might anger Buddy.

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July 25, 2020 1:50 pm
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July 25, 2020 1:27 pm

What do you think De’Aaron Fox ultimately becomes?

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July 25, 2020 3:42 pm
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Disgruntled.

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July 25, 2020 4:56 pm
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De’Gruntled Fox.

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July 25, 2020 5:08 pm
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De’Aaron Grievences.

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July 26, 2020 10:47 am
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He’s a Festivus miracle!

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July 26, 2020 12:02 am
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If the Kings don’t make the playoffs in the next couple years, Fox will be looking for the door. Extension or not.

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July 25, 2020 4:35 pm
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Great question lol. Personally I see him topping out as a fringe all star type player. I think if he’s your second best player you feel ok/good and if he’s your third best player you feel great. Wouldn’t shock me at all if he makes an all star game or two in his career but I also don’t see him ever being the type of player that can really carry a team.

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July 25, 2020 5:31 pm

I didn’t like Fox’s contributions. Didn’t know if he was ginger off injury or just doing no imprint things
 
the question is how they will handle his extension. He hasn’t shown to be max worthy yet, IMO, but his camp will ask for it and might hold a grudge if he doesn’t get it

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July 25, 2020 7:28 pm
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He is definitely getting a max extension and every team in the NBA would probably give it to him. Has he proven that he is worth it? It depends on what you think is worth it. He will get max money on the free market and the Kings can’t afford to lose him so they will match all offers. No reason to even let it get to restricted free agency.

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July 26, 2020 12:13 am
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They will sign Fox to the Max. The Kings will be at or near the salary cap after that.
They still probably miss the playoffs.
Fox will be like Kemba until he gets sick of playing for a losing team and asks for a trade.
Or, plays out his contract and bails.

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July 26, 2020 10:43 am
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Kemba didn’t ask out until Charlotte lowballed him on the contract offer. Dude was prepared to be a Hornets lifer even if it killed him

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July 26, 2020 11:14 am
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Wanting your jersey in the rafters is a real thing.

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July 25, 2020 7:24 pm

If he stays healthy I think his floor is a fringe all star. Fringe all star is probably the most likely outcome for Fox but he still has about 3 more years before he enters his prime. It comes down to how much he improves. After Curry’s 3rd season I am not sure anyone saw the MVP he was soon o become. I am not saying Fox will become an MVP candidate but he still has that type of upside.

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July 26, 2020 12:09 am

I don’t see it. I see the tools.
I just don’t believe Fox has that IT factor.
That defines great point guards.
Consistent Killer mentality.
Unless, he can start taking over games against the NBA’s best and making players
around him better(Like Doncic), I don’t see Fox ever making an All Star team as a starter. A reserve/sub? Sure.
 

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July 26, 2020 8:27 pm
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I just don’t believe Fox has that IT factor.

 
Yeah, Fox comes up short in the IT factor department.
 

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July 26, 2020 11:13 am

Thanks for the response!
 
Personally I think De’Aaron has more than fringe All Star ability and franchise player potential. I just don’t know if that will show up in Sac. And I think that will limit how you see this roster obviously.
 
There’s alot of question marks that remain with De’Aaron, that’s for sure.

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July 26, 2020 11:19 am
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No doubt. Sadly I find it really hard to see ANY young player reaching their potential in Sac. I think the journeyman guys like Holmes and Bjelly can have success because they’ve been in the league long enough to know how to navigate it. I sincerely hope that Fox reaches his potential here but this organization routinely manages to turn lemonade back into lemons and then throw them at their fans.

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July 26, 2020 12:18 pm

I think Fox and Bagley have terrific potential. And I feel like if this were an OKC organization, most fans around here would believe in that potential (assuming the timeline’s work out the same way).
 
But, obviously, whose to say how that changes things?

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July 27, 2020 11:13 am
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Yeah I agree on the potential even for Bagley and as a lot of folks know, I’ve been critical of the Kings picking him since day one. But I just have reached the point where this organization has to prove to me that it can get the most of out of a young potential star player. It’s just been so long since I’ve seen that actually happen that I’m skeptical.

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July 25, 2020 1:45 pm
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Another reason not to repeat the big money to solid player mistake with Bogi given salary constraints and you have suitable replacements

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July 25, 2020 7:35 pm
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What is Bogi worth on the free market? I’m not sure anyone is going to pay him a ton. He declined the max extension he could get last off-season but I’m guessing his next contract is close to that offer. Might be slightly more.

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July 25, 2020 2:02 pm

Yea i don’t see us making play offs, even under these circumstances…someone please come fire Vlade and Luke 😭😭

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July 25, 2020 3:00 pm
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This is just a scrimmage so maybe Luke and Co are using these scrimmages to knock the rust off and make sure everyone is healthy going into the “play in”
 
 
 
But this still stands regardless of the outcome of the “play ins”
 

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July 25, 2020 2:15 pm

Wait that’s the takeaway from this game? I honestly didn’t even notice Jeffries that much, other than that he was playing a lot. I was watching the Bucks feed though, so maybe that’s why. Maybe we’re reaching for positives here? We just gave up 80 points in the first half when the Bucks had their foot on the gas.
 
I like the effort in the 4th quarter though. So glad we brought Brewer back.

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July 25, 2020 6:06 pm
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Jeffries was not amazing but he is looking like he could be a solid bench rotation wing. He had a really nice help contest when Belly took a bad step on D. Also had a nice put back. Found buddy wide open for 3 on a break as well. Nothing amazing but at this point he is ahead of Justin James in the rotation.

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July 26, 2020 12:16 am
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Jeffries was ok. All of his minutes came against the Bucks 2nd and 3rd team. I didn’t see anything special. He would t last 2 min on the floor against the Bucks 1st team.
 

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July 25, 2020 3:03 pm

The way the Kings collapsed into the paint and left the perimeter wide open for the Bucks is not going to cut it. If they play like that for the 8 game run, they will go 0-8. Robin freaking Lopez was hitting from deep. Unacceptable.

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July 25, 2020 4:37 pm
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My only counter would be that if Robin Lopez is going to be bombing three’s like that then the Bucks are going to win the title. The Kings defense was bad but the Bucks also didn’t miss anything all day. Plus watching Giannis play against the Kings is like watching the college guy running open gym with the high school kids. With the lineup they had out there today they had no shot to guard him.

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July 25, 2020 6:10 pm

Giannis makes all NBA teams look like that tho. Is anyone in the league capable of slowing him down? Anytime he takes a 3 point shot you are really happy but that is about it.

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July 25, 2020 5:47 pm

This isn’t a critique of TKH, but I’m so sick of local Kings €œinfluencer€. There are just way too many people associated with this team who have convinced themselves that it’s beneficial to them to essentially say €œhere’s why being bad is actually good€. This organization needs an intervention. Yes, I know this is a comment on a scrimmage post-game. The RORDOG is just flummoxed is all.

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July 25, 2020 6:24 pm
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Totally understand what you are saying but if you watch a post game of any other team in any sport these types of broadcasts are just about the same across-the-board. It is just a homer cast. People employed by the team trying to build up hype no matter what quality of team they are dealing with.

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July 25, 2020 6:47 pm
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14 years of unfulfilled promises can break a person. The local Sacramento media does the fans no favors since it would seem like the majority of the media is more concerned with staying friends with those in the organization so they can continue to get the king’s scoop rather than hold the owner and front office accountable.
 
With all that said I’m going to try and withhold judgement until the “play in” games start.

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July 25, 2020 7:48 pm
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Like I get that anything can happen once the season restarts. But don’t you think that a team that is capable of making the playoffs would actually perform well against an opponent that has nothing to play for? The better team is 2-0 during exhibition against the Kings.

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July 25, 2020 8:06 pm
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In all honesty I do not have high hopes at all for the King’s during this summer league/training camp lite. I feel that prior to the shut down the king’s were playing above their heads and they would have quickly regressed. We’ll never know if that’s the case but I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re witnessing that regression with these last 2 games.
 
Like I said I’ll withhold judgement during these scrimmages. But come game 1 of the playin and if the king’s are playing the same as the 3 scrimmages….well there’s always next year. But realistically there will be a lot of “next year’s” until the current FO is cleaned out.
 

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July 25, 2020 9:01 pm
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There’s this rule about Kings scrimmages; they are meaningless so all negative comments get cancelled out. Because you can’t take nothing away from scrimmages!
 
positive comments based on scrimmages are fine, though…

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July 25, 2020 9:17 pm
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i.e. Shut up and be happy there is professional sports.

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July 25, 2020 8:40 pm
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Which influencer’s specifically? Or is it just all of them? I’m not on Twitter so I don’t really know who says what.

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July 25, 2020 9:29 pm

i think Matt George, James Ham and Kenny Caraway are all too optimistic. I have nothing against optimism in general but the optimistic, forward looking view has literally always been wrong w/r/t the Kings over the last decade and a half.
 
They should at least be honest and admit that being critical of the Kings is normal. Losing games is an indication that the Kings will continue to lose games. It doesn’t matter that the games don’t matter. The game didn’t matter to both teams, and yet the opposing team won.
 
I don’t think things will change until we collectively admit that we root for a loser. The team sucks. The GM sucks. The coach sucks. The owner sucks. The COO sucks.
 
Eat Arby’s.

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July 25, 2020 9:31 pm
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I miss Rax

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July 25, 2020 9:52 pm
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Sacramento Proud? Why are we proud that the team located in Sacramento is an embarrassment? The only reason people talk about the Kings is when they make fun of the Kings. Then we take it personally. Why don’t we take it personally that the team that represents our city sucks ass?

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July 25, 2020 10:17 pm
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This is what got me all hot and bothered FYI:

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July 25, 2020 10:44 pm
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I felt the same way after seeing that,

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July 26, 2020 12:22 am
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Matt seems like a nice guy. But, his fandom is crushingly bad. Objective, he’s not. He made a statement on Twitter the other day that, even for him is childish. Matt went on to say for all those who say negative things about Bagley, they wouldn’t dare say it to his face. That’s some bush league reporting.

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July 26, 2020 5:34 am
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I’ll say this about Matt George; he made me appreciate Carmichael Dave much more.

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July 26, 2020 3:01 pm
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And that’s the thing. I get that you have to have a glass half full perspective to be successful as a local media person. My problem is that they all seem to feel like they also need to define €œbad fans€ in a way that is basically €œfans who are frustrated with the actual results just don’t understand basketball€. I’m not mad because I’m dumb. I’m mad because my favorite team’s decision makers are dumb. I don’t need local media gaslighting me as well.

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July 26, 2020 3:13 pm
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See what you dont understand Rordog is that you should be happy the Kings stayed in Sacramento. Vivek stepped in, you should show some appreciation and dont be so negative. </sarcasm>

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July 26, 2020 11:00 am
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This cracks me up because it isn’t even a debate. Vlade should be fired and should have been fired after the Philly trade. If you don’t believe he should be fired you’re wrong and defending your wrong opinion.
 

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July 27, 2020 6:18 am

I don’t get riled up about the Kings losing or having key injuries, or firing coaches/staff at awful times, etc.
 
Because I expect the Kings to fail at every turn.
 
As a result, It’s a nice surprise whenever they don’t.

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July 25, 2020 10:43 pm
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I get so irritated when they question a fan’s knowledge or feelings toward legitimate negative sentiment. In all honesty, Vlade should have been fired for multiple screw ups already, I have given him the benefit of the doubt for a few years, but the last straw was passing on Doncic, the guy every single person knew was the top tier talent in that draft. There’s literally nothing Vlade can do to change my mind about that.
 
We are on the way to becoming the same team we were with Cousins as our centerpiece, except Fox is way more likable.
 
There’s a small chance we can make some moves, like probably this off-season it would need to start, to get us more in line with 4-8 seed contention talent-wise.

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July 26, 2020 5:46 am
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If you, as a so-called reporter of the Kings, question/attack people who are criticizing the Kings FO, it is hard to take anything you say/write serious.
 
If you cannot fathom that after 14 years people are fed up and are not willing to accept a very strenuous “in contention for a play-off spot” spin, you are either willfully ignorant, stupid or so deeply entrenched with your head upside this organization’s backside, that you don’t even remember how fresh air smells.
 
But it is not just some talking heads, it is also a sizable contingent of Sacramento fans. The only thing I, as an outsider, can think of, is that many of the people from Sacramento have such an inferiority complex vs other California cities that they are so happy that we still have a sports franchise that they are content with that and don’t dare to criticize it?
 
Is it really too much to demand accountability and a modicum of success?
 
People on Twitter are praising Vlade for getting rid of the contracts of Dedmon and Ariza and bringing in Len, Parker and Bazemore. It’s like giving a Purple Heart to a soldier who by himself dug out a bullet and put on a band-aid to stop the bleeding after he had shot himself in the foot!
 
#HereWeBillboard!

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Thank you Rik, I remember one exchange on twitter where Matt was spinning the genius of Vlade for the Len/Parker/Baze trades where the homer spin was out of control.
 
Any one in the media that is worth their weight should be able to acknowledge an opposing view though they may not agree with it. Dave does a pretty good job of this on twitter.
 
Speaking of Dave maybe he’ll make an appearance here once the playins start up. I would like to get more of his thoughts on his “now isnt the right time” and “view the whole chessboard” comments. Or maybe with the shutdown he cant elaborate.
 

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July 27, 2020 4:53 am
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Indeed, these guys give Vlade copious amounts of credit for getting out from under bad free agent contracts…that he signed.
 
Way too much excitement for lateral moves that essentially waste half or full seasons.

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July 27, 2020 5:30 am
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Everybody relax, we’ve got Daquan Jeffries!

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July 27, 2020 7:47 am
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I know this is obvious but not to everyone. The free agent contracts Vlade is getting out from under were given by Vlade less than 12 months prior.
 
Average FO dont operate in this fashion. If Vivek wants to emulate the Warriors he should start by looking at how the Warriors FO does business.

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July 26, 2020 9:24 am
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I think the King’s as a franchise has lost a lot of local support, and us remaining Kings fans will follow whether we win or lose. I think their business model probably doesnt even really include local support as a necessity. I am born and raised in Sacramento, am in my thirties, and I hardly know anyone that follows the Kings anywhere near as closely as me.
 
That said, there is a minority of fans that would actually love to have winning basketball and not just basketball, and understand how much it takes to win in this league, that cant stand the way things have played out. But reporters like James Ham will bring up the sympathy card mentioning things like it’s hard to win in this league, or hard for Sac to come by talent.
 
 

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And when the likes of Ham and others say its hard to win in this league they should be reminded that 53% of the teams make the playoffs in a normal year.

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July 26, 2020 9:48 am
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Yea, I dont really even look at these guys as journalists or take their positions seriously at all. It sucks because I love basketball and will follow my local team, but I was high school last time we were in the playoffs. I remember the excitement of Bibbys shot and the dissapointment of Horrys shot, high stakes basketball is sorely missed.

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You are absolutely correct. I have noticed in the last 10 years a huge decrease in the number of people who even pay attention to the Kings. I know a lot of people who used to follow the team pretty closely who could now not name 5 or 6 players off the top of their head. It got to the point as a season ticket holder (now former) I could not even give tickets away to people. I think the current fan base predominately made up of two classes. First, hardcore basketball fans who suffer and continue to root for the Kings because they happen to be the local team. Second, younger fans who have not suffered long enough to reach the point of burn out. Regarding the second group their time will come.

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Seriously, my family and friends all followed the Kings in some capacity back in the early 2000’s, and now I am the only one that I know of, beside my brother knowing who D’aaron Fox is, that knows much about the Kings. I come across random Kings fans here or there, but they have skipped grooming a whole generation to follow them over the years.
 
The new DOCO area is a hotspot, so going to games is still a good time, but actual fans are hard to come by.
 
 

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July 26, 2020 10:58 am
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Thanks. Yeah I just don’t understand how anyone can have any other viewpoint than that during this era of Kings history. I’d guess that deep down all those guys know the team is a tire fire but they just don’t feel like bashing them all the time because either A) they are organizational shills who will lose access if they do or B) they just feel like nobody will engage if it’s negative all the time. I’m just happy we’ve got TKH as a place where people will at least be honest about the state of things.

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July 26, 2020 12:42 pm

The lessons are clear for the local shills in Sacramento. Step out of line and become too critical of the Kings and there will be ramifications. On the other hand, if you are a good soldier (Kayte, Ham, Deuce, Morgan, George, etc.) you ascend.

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I think some of those “journalists” take it a step further though. I appreciate Deuce and Mo because they are positive, but they don’t seem to talk down to fans who express a negative opinion.
 
The others you mentioned on the other hand seem to make a habit of condescending towards those who have a view of frustration towards the org. It’s very weird. Because when it comes to ineptitude in professional sports, it’s the Kings and Cleveland Browns in a league of their own.
 
It reminds me of an article written on the site that shall not be named a while back. I think it was Rob who wrote it, and it was titled “Confident Incompetence”. To me that sums up this org and much of the media around it.

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July 26, 2020 7:33 pm
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What the heck is a Kenny Caraway?

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July 26, 2020 7:34 pm
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In sacramento, superfans become media.

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July 25, 2020 6:01 pm

So many fans love Harry but I don’t see anything that special about him other than a nice pass here and there. Boris Diaw is a good comp.

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Nice pass here and there sums it up IMO. No position -no body for center, no athleticism/stretch for PF, and lacks in pretty much all departments (rim protection, rebounding, moving offensively or defensively, I could go on)
 
i think just getting one of one of our bigs in there will help big time
 
I hope Alex will be ready. Why hasn’t he been in?

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Covid. He should play next game

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exactly but every time he makes a nice pass people are like OMG he could be so good. I hate to say passing is overrated but this might be the time that it is appropriate to say.

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July 27, 2020 6:21 am
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If you think passing is overrated…. Good news! You’ve got at leas a year or 2 more of Bagley on the court!

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July 27, 2020 8:06 am
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Thinking passing is overrated would make it easier to be a Kings fan. A lineup of Hield, Barnes, Bagley and Holmes is about as non-passing a team you could construct.

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July 27, 2020 8:23 am

I desperately want to make a crack about how that’s 3 of the team’s starting 5, and the other 2 (Fox Bjelica) aren’t like jason kidd and nicola jokic out there.
 
This team needs more play makers. Always had after the 2002 team was broken up.

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July 25, 2020 6:15 pm
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Love Boris Diaw

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Harry might be as good as him some day.

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He is fun to watch

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July 25, 2020 9:40 pm
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It’s his personality people love most. And that in some aspects he is the anti-Bagley, especially where it comes to passing and team play. And that likely has to do with the lack of playmakers on the team.
 
Having said that, I think Diaw is a generous comp, because Boris was a good defender and although Harry tries, he is not.
 

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Agree Diaw is not a current comp. More like I think that Diaw is his ceiling.

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Wonderful Bagley=Diaw
Doncic= Larry Bird
 
wonderful. Please fire someone.

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An anti Bagley is just being available at this point.

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July 26, 2020 9:18 am
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And all of it, the good Giles and the head shaking Giles, will be missed when he signs elsewhere at the conclusion of this season.

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Same. I love his attitude and personality and I root hard for Giles, but man he just doesn’t show up on the court. Nice passes and what seems like strong bbiq, but then he’ll commit a dumb foul.
 
im so excited to get Len and Holmes back

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July 26, 2020 12:01 am

Giving up 80 in 20min?! 10
minute Quarter’s. That’s embarrassing.
Play with some pride. I don’t care if it’s a preseason game. Fox will need to turn into Chris Paul 2.0 for the Kings to have a chance at the postseason this year . 4-4 or 5-3 is best case scenario.
Pelicans will still get that 9th seed.
Unless Bagley turns a huge corner next year, the Kings are back in the lottery next season, as
well. The ceiling for this team is low.

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July 26, 2020 9:12 am
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Ive said this before, my barometer for Bagley next year (ugh why is it always next year with this team) is can he play 20+ games in arow with out an injury. If not its time to dump him.

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July 26, 2020 12:43 am

Nice recap. I don’t mean to disrespect but it contains three sentences with grammar errors.

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July 26, 2020 5:49 am

Sanjesh was apparently with his head already in LA…
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July 26, 2020 12:51 pm

So you’re saying that Sanjesh had a better outing than the Kings.

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July 26, 2020 9:08 am

Man, I am really disappointed by how the Kings are managed but then I see the Knicks hiring the Thibbmeister to a 5 year contract and I feel warm inside.

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July 26, 2020 9:19 am

It’s always exciting to be in a fight for the top spot of something.
So yeah, my heart is also warmed over this epic fight with the Kings over NBA FO dysfunction.

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July 26, 2020 11:17 am

I have no idea how Thibs keeps getting jobs.

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July 26, 2020 9:16 am

While we’re on the topic of Vlade…
 
https://twitter.com/BR_NBA/status/1287413618380660737
 
 
 

The revenue lost, uncertainty about how far-ranging the economic impact on the league could be and related losses from team owner Vivek Ranadive’s other investments, those sources say, have prompted Ranadive to rethink another regime change because of the inherent cost involved.

“Vivek took a big hit financially, so he’s going to have Vlade work off his contract,” a general manager familiar with the Kings’ internal operation says.

  

“Every summer move has been ill-fated,” the Eastern Conference executive says. “Then they have to make some sort of move in the winter to fix it. It’s very reactionary.”

Another underlying problem is an apparent difference of opinion between Divac and Ranadive on who the team’s best shooting guard is. Ranadive’s admiration for Hield has not diminished, league sources say, and Bogdanovic is one of Divac’s shrewdest acquisitions. Oh, and he’s Serbian. Caught in the middle is Walton, who made the decision to bring Hield off the bench and start Bogdanovic.

 

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July 26, 2020 9:30 am
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Heres the rub:

draft the necessary cornerstone talent; surround it with complementary but affordable veterans; hire a coach who can develop the talent and deftly deploy the vets; exercise the patience to allow it all to jell.

 
All of the above points depend on a FO that is on the same page and working together. The Kings homers will always point to the “You have to give Vlade time for his plan to come together”. It would seem like the FO has no long term plan when theyre flipping off season acquisitions in the winter, as Bucher said.

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July 26, 2020 9:38 am
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Absolutely; as the Eastern Conference exec said: “It’s very reactionary.”
 
And as several here, including myself, have said: There is no structure, no mid-term or long-term plan and no clear identity, defensively or offensively.

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July 26, 2020 9:41 am
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Also, that quote about Bogi vs. Buddy looks like an indication how hands-on Vivek still is, despite noises to the contrary…

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July 26, 2020 11:12 am
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As always………. KANNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGGGZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ. But seriously, I heard Chris Haynes say something similar to this on a podcast a couple weeks ago and it’s not shocking. Vivek is not one of these uber wealthy owners like Balmer who just has money to burn. If he has been hit hard financially by this pandemic then we may be even more screwed than we even realize. My only hope is that his financial situation is so poor that he has to sell the team. It’s unlikely but I dare to dream.

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July 26, 2020 11:23 am

Hope he sells his stake to Burkle.

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July 26, 2020 11:32 am

At this point I’d take almost anybody else. But Burkle would be nice.

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July 26, 2020 1:27 pm

Even if the pandemic reduced his net worth by 50% hed be worth $350 million based on his 2019 net worth. I dont think finances are an issue for Vivek and the Kings. As of Feb 2020 the Kings valuation is $1.775 billion according to Forbes.
 
In short its a pipe dream to think Vivek is selling any time soon.
 

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July 27, 2020 8:23 am
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I disagree. He bought the team with many partners and OPM. If the Kings hemorrhage money because of this pandemic, I feel he’ll cut bait. If not him, some of his partners will.

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July 27, 2020 8:37 am
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If the Kings are losing money would the league step in to assist prior to allowing the “governing partner” to sell his shares?
 
 

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July 27, 2020 11:20 am
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I think the issue is that a lot of teams and owners in particular are losing a ton of money right now. ESPN has a big article about it today and Vivek isn’t even mentioned: https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/29544380/nba-owners-current-financial-turmoil-portends-future-payroll-problems

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July 26, 2020 11:45 am

I have researched this, and although the information is scarce, it is important to remember that Vivek is not holding motre than 50% of the shares in the team.
The problem lies apparently in an agreement that gives other shareholders little opportunity to replace him.
 
As mentioned in an excellent – and much discussed – article by Kevin Arnovitz from 2017 (so the situation may have changed somewhat since then):
http://www.espn.com/espn/feature/story?_slug_=is-demarcus-cousins-sacramento-kings-real-problem&page=presents2&redirected=true
 

At the eleventh hour, the league approved a deal that would keep the team in California’s capital city, thanks to a hastily cobbled together collection of owners that included Ranadive; Qualcomm executive chairman Paul Jacobs and his brothers, Jeff and Hal; Mark Mastrov, the founder and CEO of 24 Hour Fitness; Sacramento developer Mark Friedman; swimwear magnate Raj Bhathal; mobile and startup entrepreneur Andy Miller; and others.

 

Though he owns less than 20 percent of the franchise, Ranadive was named Sacramento’s majority owner or controlling governor. It was an unusual arrangement that required approval from the NBA, but this distinction gave him unchecked power to make important organizational decisions, even if those disagreeing represented a greater share of ownership.

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July 26, 2020 11:59 am
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Yeah I remember that the agreement that made him managing partner and majority owner was pretty strange. I do wonder whether or not this makes him more likely than most owners would be to sell his share and step down as managing partner because he may not have enough money to actually run the team.

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July 26, 2020 12:20 pm
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Reading this, my only real takeaway’s is that Ranadive doesn’t listen to outside consultants and money is always the primary factor in every move. Along with having no patience in building a stabile organization/FO (whatever you call it) to allow a long term plan to coalesce and ultimately form.
 
Guess I have to go back to hoping De’Aaron can make the stupidity of this organization fade away.
 
 

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July 26, 2020 1:14 pm
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The only type of Colace needed for this front office

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July 26, 2020 12:53 pm
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Rick Bucher? How does this hack keep landing jobs?

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July 26, 2020 9:35 pm
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Can’t stand Pukecher. But, he’s not too far off in his diatribe. This team as currently constructed is not better than a first round exit in the playoffs. That would be the best case scenario. There is too much talent in the West for the Kings to be a real factor. Now or in the next 2-3 years. The biggest problem is the losers mentality. The bar is set so low. The top 6-7 teams in the West are not declining for years. I won’t include the Lakers, because their window in small. But, teams like the Mavs, Pels, Rockets,
Nugs, Jazz, Clips, and Grizz are all better than the Kings
 
What really amplify’s the Kings incompetence. The Mavericks and Grizz. 2 teams that had a couple down years. Both are already back in the playoff mix and both will continue to improve year over year.
 
This, while the Kings keep on dreaming of that sweep to the Lakers in 2020. While, back in the lottery for the 2020-21 season.
 
 

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July 26, 2020 10:04 pm
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I just don’t see anything new here. It’s just a recap of the same old same old. It’s not as though there is anything to agree with or disagree with in his article. Water’s wet, it has been for a long time, and we already know about it.

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July 26, 2020 10:36 pm
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Sounds like someone could use one of MichaelMack’s brownies.

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July 26, 2020 10:39 pm
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Mostly, I agree. But plenty of people are buying the story that Vivek is now (really!) hands-off, or that Vlade is improving and does have a master plan, instead of being totally reactionary in his actions.
And this is confirmed by NBA execs, unless Bucher would lie about such quotes.
 
Will it open the eyes of most people hellbent on supporting this franchise through thin and thinner? Probably not.

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July 27, 2020 11:19 am
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Not sure about the “plenty of people.” I think it’s the same crowd that will always think that you have to be blindly loyal to root for the home team. I don’t see this “news” moving any of those folks. That said, I think that way too much time and attention has been given to Bucher’s regurgitation of the obvious, so I’ll bow out now.

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One of my favorite movies of the year. And this is one of my favorite posts of the year!

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