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Around the Realm: Boston Celtics are trying to find a Gordon Hayward deal, Rockets are trying to start a Harden bidding war

Plus we round up the day's news and notes for player options.

 

Welcome to Around the Realm, where we look at the top news stories from around the league. If I missed any notable stories, feel free to discuss in the comments!

What are the Celtics doing with Gordon Hayward?

Gordon Hayward and the Boston Celtics had a 5 PM ET deadline today for his player option, but the sides negotiated to extend that deadline. This indicates that the Celtics are trying to work out some sort of trade that could involve Hayward.

The only rumored destination was the Atlanta Hawks. Hayward could sign with the Hawks outright, but if Hayward opts out the Hawks would be under no obligation to pay Hayward $34.2 million.

The Celtics rumors were heavy on Tuesday, even including vague rumor of a deal that might send Kemba Walker to Chicago. But any time you're dealing with the Celtics, there are going to be a dozen rumored deals for every one deal that actually happens.

The Rockets are trying to get better offers

With James Harden now doing everything he can to get out of Houston (with Brooklyn as his preferred destination), the Rockets are doing everything they can to get better offers.

First they leak that they are in no hurry to trade Harden:

Then they float a possible deal to swap Russell Westbrook for John Wall:

But all of this rings hollow when it comes on the same day as a report that Rockets owner Tilman Fertitta is desperate to avoid the luxury tax.

Also of note, the Rockets traded Robert Covington to Portland late Monday.

Ariza, still on the contract he signed with the Sacramento Kings, is minimally guaranteed for next season. The move acquired draft picks and shed salary. The actions of the Rockets tell one story, while their words attempt to tell another.

Rodney Hood opts out

Rodney Hood, who was playing really well before a torn Achilles, has opted out of the final year of his contract and will be a free agent.

Even if he's fully healed, Hood might struggle to get $6 million per year, but is likely seeking longer-term security.

Andre Drummond unsurprisingly opts in

Andre Drummond was always unlikely to opt out of his deal, but he officially opted into the final year of his contract.

Drummond is unlikely to finish this season with the Cavaliers, as they'll probably trade his expiring contract for smaller contracts or bad money and draft picks.

Players will report to their teams no later than November 30th

Players will need to report by November 30th so they can undergo coronavirus testing before camp begins.

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TheGrantNapear
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November 17, 2020 6:59 pm

Teams are trading first round picks like as if they’re worthless. I’m guessing Buddy should fetch a first and a ham sandwich.

eddie41
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November 17, 2020 7:03 pm
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Is that a Cypress Hill lyric?

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November 17, 2020 7:08 pm

Ahhhhh, new thread! That last one was getting long.
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November 17, 2020 8:36 pm
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Hard to keep conversations going over there.

DonJuanJesus
November 17, 2020 7:47 pm

If the Hawks get Hayward, who does that leave for possible buddy partners?? Phila only???

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November 17, 2020 8:03 pm
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Among others. There were rumblings about Denver earlier today, but if Harden ends up in Brooklyn I’d guess that Philly goes into panic mode and kicks the tires on a Buddy trade.

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November 18, 2020 7:28 am

In this vein I think bigger pieces have to move first, and also teams with space strike out in free agency for us to begin to have a market. Personally I am very dubious trades for Buddy that are of just equal value in my view, exist. Then again teams are acting a bit hasty and new GMs do have some leeway to take some risk. Not holding my breath though, think it will be tough to find a sensible deal now or later in the offseason.

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November 17, 2020 8:40 pm

So how many PFs do we have on the roster now?

Bagley, Bjelly, Parker, Illyasova, Wilson, Jeffries (sometimes), Barnes (most of the time). Pretty sure that’s over half our team. Something’s gotta give, but just buying guys out doesn’t seem like it will help.

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November 17, 2020 9:03 pm

Still hoping for that Atlanta trade tomorrow night! Buddy and the 12th for Huerter and the 6.

We get our playmaker and 3 point shooter in Huerter plus the 6th (Haliburton or Hayes). Hopefully that is still on the table. If not call Brooklyn for Prince + their 1st round pick..

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November 17, 2020 9:40 pm
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I can’t imagine a scenario in which the Hawks absorb Buddy’s contract into their cap space, and send the Kings Huerter and the #6 pick.

RORDOG
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November 17, 2020 9:56 pm

I’m going to post the official answer sheet for the lottery on this page, so I can say I was the first one to get it right before the prediction article tomorrow:

  1. Anthony Edwards
  2. James Wiseman
  3. LaMelo Ball
  4. Deni Avdija
  5. Patrick Williams
  6. Isaac Okoro
  7. Onyeka Okongwu
  8. Obi Toppin
  9. Tyrese Haliburton
  10. Killian Hayes
  11. Saddiq Bey
  12. Devin Vassell
  13. Aaron Nesmith
  14. Kira Lewis Jr.

This is more of a second round wishlist:

35 – Tyler Bey
43 – Paul Reed
52 – Elijah Hughes

Bluejohn
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November 17, 2020 10:42 pm
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You could be totally right but I doubt it.

RORDOG
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November 17, 2020 10:53 pm
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I’m totally right

RORDOG
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November 17, 2020 10:46 pm

Brian Windhorst said on his pod that Bogi and Giannis have been communicating with one another, and Giannis wouldn’t have asked Bogi to play for the Bucks if he (Giannis) wasn’t planning on re-signing with the Bucks.

What this tells me is that the Kings did pretty well accommodating Bogi’s wishes. Say what you want about ESPN’s RPM, but nabbing the #8 SG, according to RPM, in a S&T for the #14 SG is a pretty good deal under the circumstances. The advanced stats think that DiVincenzo has an innate ability to contribute to winning basketball. I’m excited to see how increased usage impacts his value.

RORDOG
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November 17, 2020 11:13 pm
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Quotes from Windy and Lowe (paraphrasing):

“It is my understanding…that they are looking to make deals…and they may want to get younger” – Windy

“right now Buddy Hield’s value isn’t high, my guess is they keep him” – Windy

“they didn’t make this [bogi trade] willy nilly as a favor to Giannis” – Windy

“There’s something to that. The message that agents and other executives have gotten from the Kings is not that they’re rebuilding so much, but we’re not rushing..we’re not doing the thing that everyone expects us to do and rush head long to chase the eighth seed and overspend or make a future for present kind of trade. The timeline is going to be more aligned to Fox and Bagley, and now DiVincenzo. So now I think a person I would be calling about is Nemenja Bjelica” – Zach Lowe

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November 18, 2020 7:45 am
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Yes.

RORDOG
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November 18, 2020 8:02 am
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I think they were both on each other’s pods this week, but these quotes were from Windhorst’s Hoop Collective pod from yesterday.

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November 18, 2020 11:25 am
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This is great thanks RORDOG.

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November 18, 2020 4:40 am
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Yeah, I don’t think much of RPM in Milwaukee’s case this past season – pretty clear it’s difficult to separate Giannis’ impact from the remainder of the roster. Four of their SGs are among the top 50 at their position? Brook Lopez is the 5th best center in the league?

It would certainly be a helpful statistical measure if you were, say, trying to pull a much better player from a weaker team.

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November 18, 2020 7:28 am
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From what I understand, RPM tries to quantify how well you performed in your role. Playing alongside Giannis may mean you have a very defined role, but DiVincenzo still performed well when doing what he was asked to do.

The concern is that Walton will ask him to do more than he’s capable of now that he’s on a team without Giannis. The hope is that he is capable of doing more when given the opportunity.

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November 18, 2020 11:27 am
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I think as with the entire roster, the concern is Luke Walton. I would guess he won’t be here next season but for this year I do worry about the damage he could do to everyone on the roster while he’s here. The precipitous drop in efficiency across the board for many of our best players was alarming.

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RORDOG
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November 18, 2020 11:52 am

Yeah I mean the hope is that Walton wasn’t given the tools he needs to succeed. I’m at least open to the possibility that swapping out Vlade/Igor with McNair/Gentry will make Walton’s job easier.

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November 18, 2020 11:59 am
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Joerger must have taken those tools with him.

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November 18, 2020 12:29 pm
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I’m not claiming that Walton is a better coach than Joerger. I’m just saying there’s a possibility that he can be more successful than he was last season if the support structure is better.

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November 18, 2020 11:59 am
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That’s my understanding as well. Looking at Milwaukee’s numbers, I’d say that most guys with a pulse would appear to have performed well in their roles.

It may seem I’m anti-DiVincenzo, but it does feel like we bought high on the guy. From the eye test, I’m not really sold that he’s all that as a defender either. And, as I’ve noted, I think the ability to pair him in the backcourt with our franchise guy is limited by both guy’s inability to shoot at a high clip from the arc.

But we shall see.

RORDOG
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November 18, 2020 12:47 pm
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I don’t think this is necessarily true:

most guys with a pulse would appear to have performed well in their roles.

A player needs to be willing to buy in to the team concept, and accept that they’re being asked to do less than what they believe they’re capable of. Brook Lopez is the perfect example. He basically just stands in the corner on offense. I’m sure he believes he can do more near the rim, but the offense is most effective when he does less.

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November 18, 2020 7:06 am

Today the Kings announced the first Discord Server and will feature the NBA Draft which starts with chats at 2-3 pm with Doug Christie & Mark Jones and 4:30 draft. I saw a schedule of events on KCRA 3 news this morning, but can’t find it in writing?
I think this might have something to do with the KingsHearld use of Discord in some way ..
https://www.nba.com/kings/news/sacramento-kings-launch-digital-arena-first-official-professional-sports-team-discord-server

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November 18, 2020 7:44 am

I’m a bit surprised the Knicks gave up the #27 and #38 to move up just 4 spots to #23, especially before the draft. I’d understand it more if at the moment of the #23 there was someone there that they really wanted, but making it before the draft????

Maybe they are looking to package the #8 and #23? It’s gonna be hilarious if they really do go after Westbrook.

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November 18, 2020 8:07 am
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This is so Knicks.

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November 18, 2020 8:49 am

I think Houston is going to completely implode, it’s just a question of when. Apparently the players, including Westbrook and Harden, don’t like the owner’s politics. Combine that with their desire to penny pinch, I doubt they’ll be in the playoffs after next year, assuming they decide to hold onto Harden to start the season.

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November 18, 2020 9:42 am

I’m not sure its just the players that don’t care for the owner, maybe McNair had a clue as well

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