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2022 Kings Herald Draft Board: Pick No. 7

Jaden Ivey and Keegan Murray are off the board.
By | 111 Comments | May 30, 2022

Purdue guard Jaden Ivey (23) shakes hands with Iowa forward Keegan Murray (15) after a NCAA Big Ten Conference men's basketball game, Thursday, Jan. 27, 2022, at Carver-Hawkeye Arena in Iowa City, Iowa. 220127 Purdue Iowa Mbb 044 Jpg

You’re reading the title right, the last race was so close between just two guys that I am removing them both off the board and skipping to Pick 7. Jaden Ivey technically won with 49.3% to Keegan Murray’s 48.3%, a difference of two votes. They join Shaedon Sharpe, Paolo Banchero, Chet Holmgren and Jabari Smith Jr.

When a choice comes up, pick who you’d want the Kings to pick given all the players remaining.  Note: THIS IS NOT A MOCK DRAFT. This is a draft board, a ranked list of prospects you’d like to see the Kings pick. In other words, if we were the Kings front office, when our pick came up, we’d take the top name left on our board. So pick your choice, not who you think Monte McNair or anyone else would choose in a slot.

Explain your choice in the comments, and lobby for who should be added to the next pick’s choices.

This poll ends at 5 AM tomorrow. The next one will begin shortly thereafter.  We will go roughly 20 picks deep.

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RikSmits
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May 30, 2022 8:57 am
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Hi Aykis, sorry to bother you again, but what about my reader’s submission request?

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May 30, 2022 9:50 am
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Sure!
To which email address?
[email protected] ?

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May 31, 2022 5:56 am
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Okay, I just sent it to that email address.

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May 30, 2022 11:14 am
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Any chances we get a Fan Post section at some point? Or perhaps a daily or bi-daily Open Thread?

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May 30, 2022 11:24 am
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There’s a forum that allows people to create threads, but it seems like it’s rather dead.

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May 30, 2022 11:39 am
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I totally forgot about that.

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May 30, 2022 11:52 am
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It’s been awhile since I was in it. I stopped looking at it once people stopped commenting in it.

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May 30, 2022 1:39 pm
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Never knew about it lol.

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May 30, 2022 8:49 am

Dyson Daniels ……….

As I never heard of other prospects…….

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May 30, 2022 9:12 am

I really did not like what I saw of Jaden Ivey, but that’s water under the bridge. I went Dyson Daniels. Why? G-league stats very unimpressive, bad free throw shooting, mediocre 3-point shooting. However: 19 years old, grown to 6’8”, elite defender, pro-day 3-point shooting was lights-out, apparently from working with a shooting coach. So past game performance does not indicate elite offensive skills, but he may have them. I figure the experts will know more, but Daniels is my uninformed guess.

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May 30, 2022 11:27 am
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You didn’t even mention the best part of his offense: his playmaking.

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May 30, 2022 11:46 am
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Pro-day stuff, which is all I saw, just showed his offense. I had read that he was a good defender, didn’t know about playmaking. Thanks.

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May 30, 2022 12:27 pm
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You’re welcome.

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May 30, 2022 9:15 am

Narrowed it to Daniels, Griffin & Mathurin at #7. Went with Mathurin, but my mind could change by lunch.

Man, the choices at 4 & the choices at 7 seem to be on completely different planets.

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May 31, 2022 6:56 am
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I agree. As of right now I would trade back with Detroit or Indy (to 5 or 6) but not with Portland at 7. I’m gonna pound the internet table for a Trade back with Indy and get Brogdon for the trouble.

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May 30, 2022 9:16 am

Also, I would have at least considered Davis here – time to add him to the board.

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May 30, 2022 9:31 am
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I feel confident in Davis to be an NBA player for a long-time, but am uncertain of his ceiling. I’d rather take an upside swing on a guy like Ousmane Dieng, who I feel should be added to the list next.

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May 30, 2022 9:35 am
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I think that Davis’ ankle injury has him a little underrated right now. Had he been healthy down the stretch I think he’d be a consensus pick here.

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May 30, 2022 9:42 am
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Agreed

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May 30, 2022 12:30 pm
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I definitely have Daniels & Sochan ahead of Davis, but this generally seems like the right area for him.

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May 30, 2022 10:45 am
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This team needs to just get solid players that can contribute. Missing on draft picks is o e of the main reasons it’s been 16 years with no playoffs. Give me a solid 7-8 players to start, then build off of that.

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May 30, 2022 9:23 am

Sochan. All the guys on this board have glaring weaknesses so it’s basically pick your poison.

Sochan can come in and defend immediately. The shot needs some work, but he can cut well and appears to have a solid BBIQ.

Johnny Davis to be added

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May 30, 2022 9:28 am

Since the draft lottery, Murray has moved from #6 on my board to #3. I think the concerns about his ceiling are simply a matter of his age. But he’s 22 – he’s gonna continue to grow and develop as a player, and I believe he will enter the league as a starting caliber player. An immediate starter, at a position of need, at 22 years old? Sign me up.

I’ve also recently done a mock draft and the thing that really stands out is how much EVERY team needs a 6’8″ do-it-all forward that guards 3-5. The Keegan Murrays of the world are simply a rarer breed than the Jaden Iveys. He slips into my #3 spot because I prefer his floor and fit to Paolo.

As for this one, it’s a real toss-up between Mathurin, Daniels, and Sochan. There are more big wings in this draft than defensively versatile forwards like Sochan, which makes him a more precious commodity. However, I went Daniels, who I think will be the best player. He’s gonna be a solid defender and playmaker from the jump, and I buy the mechanics on the shot long-term. Mathurin perhaps has the highest ceiling, but his game is far less well-rounded when compared to the other guys.

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May 30, 2022 11:11 am
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I don’t think it’s ever a good idea to expect a non-elite prospect rookie to be an immediate starter.

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May 30, 2022 11:30 am

Was Davion an elite prospect to you? Because he started much of the season and could’ve been thrown into the fire from day one if not for Fox. Wagner, Giddey, Duarte, Dosunmu, Cam Johnson, etc. are probably in this category as well.

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May 30, 2022 12:10 pm
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No. And his team was terrible and he struggled for most of the season despite being an old prospect. Wagner, Giddey and Duarte were on terrible teams. Cam Johnson is a 3rd year player who has never started more than 16 games in a season. The only player there with a decent number of starts on a decent team is Ayo. Who, of course, was an older prospect, only got his starts because of a rash of injuries, and his team was significantly worse when he started (20-24 with Ayo starting. 26-12 without.)

All that said, I should revise my statement. It probably should read:

I don’t think it’s ever a good idea for a team focused on winning to expect a non-elite prospect rookie to be an immediate starter.

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May 30, 2022 1:05 pm

I think the real question is did the Kings miss out on an elite prospect that was taken after Davion. Because I’m not really sure they did, not yet. There’s not a clear-cut miss of the guys taken after him.

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May 30, 2022 1:57 pm
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I agree and I don’t think we’ll know for a couple years. I tend not to fault teams too much for not drafting the sleeper star. I try not to deal too much in hindsight except in reflection for trying to hone my own process. For example, if say, Tre Mann (who I liked in the draft) turns into the next Harden, I’m not going to give the Kings crap for not taking him.

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May 30, 2022 1:09 pm

My objection is more about the conflation of being an “elite prospect” to being “NBA ready”. Guys like Michael Carter Williams or Malcolm Brogdon can win ROY from their day one contributions without being the best player from their class, whereas guys like Embiid or Jalen Green need time to grow.

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May 30, 2022 1:30 pm
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Sure, but even “NBA Ready” guys like MCW and Brogdon rarely impact winning in a positive way as a rookie.

My point, is about expecting a rookie to waltz in and be a positive contributor as a starter. It simply isn’t very common. Even if your hope is that someone like Murray could to that successfully, I would still make sure my roster included a solid option that could at least conceivably start in the short term in front of him. For the Kings, thinking of Murray, that guy is likely currently Barnes.

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May 31, 2022 7:38 am

Murray would start next to Barnes at the 4, with Barnes at Small Forward. Lyles would back the four, and…still looking for more forwards?

The Keegan Murrays of the world are simply a rarer breed than the Jaden Iveys

Poignant and insightful. Exactly. Salient and incisive. Bullseye. BRAVO!

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May 31, 2022 9:21 am

I think Murray starts day one, almost irrespective of where he lands after the draft. Ivey can be a good NBA guard and have difficulty cracking the rotation his first year i.e. Davion Mitchell. A bigger player who brings the same skills,(basically) is always rarer. Ivey can be better at his position, and still be less valuable overall because, archetype. There are a hundred guards in the NBA that can score and play no defense. Mitchell is more of a rare commodity.

Murray> Mitchell>Ayo>Duarte>Ivey

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May 30, 2022 1:07 pm
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1 thing that makes me wonder about Murray’s ceiling is that I remember that there seemed to be a fairly common perception on StR that Jayson Tatum had a lower ceiling than many of the other top prospects in his draft. However, Tatum was a few years younger than Murray when was drafted.

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May 30, 2022 1:25 pm
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Age is just a number. How guys develop physically, mentally, and as basketball players is unique to everyone. A younger guy can theoretically improve more simply because he has more years to do so, as well as fill out as an athlete. But this is a very general approach.

Simply put, being 22 doesn’t inherently put you closer to your ceiling than an 18 year old. Some 18 year olds develop fast, dominate HS and college, and then plateau at the highest level.

From what I’ve read, Murray was somewhat of a late bloomer in terms of his physical development. It’s not crazy to think he will throw on a few more pounds, maybe even grow an inch or two. And he seems to have a strong work ethic, good head on his shoulders, and determination to improve.

This all signals to me that beyond being NBA ready, which most seem to agree with, he really might not be close to his peak. Simply citing his age doesn’t do much to dissuade me regarding his potential.

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May 30, 2022 2:00 pm
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The whole potential vs. developed debate fascinates me. So often, guys are labeled “high-ceiling” simply because they are 1) very athletic, 2) very young, and/or 3) lack actual basketball skills. Prospects with minimal skillsets are seen as more desirable because they are great athletes and can’t buy a drink, the assumption being that age and athleticism can’t be taught, while a “skillset” will naturally develop upon exposure to NBA competition. Is that really true? For every “raw” prospect that morphs into an All-Star, there seem to be several others that stay uncooked and give their franchises food poisoning, so to speak. Just look at the Kangz’s recent history of “raw” draft picks that never cooked: Bagley. Giles. Cauley-Stein. Richardson. Papagiannis. Labissiere. And that’s just from the last 5 drafts. Meanwhile, the three picks that have (so far) panned out–Fox, Haliburton, Mitchell–all came into the league with genuine NBA skillsets in multiple areas. IMHO, escaping NBA purgatory (aka Kangzland) is more about avoiding busts than hitting the lottery. The best way to avoid busts is to draft players who are NBA-ready in multiple areas on day one. Doing so may not net you that coveted “franchise player,” but it adds guaranteed NBA talent to your team, and talent trumps all. If the Kangz want to avoid the chance of shooting themselves in the foot a la 2018, they would do well to identify prospects that 1) have NBA-ready skills, 2) have a BBIQ and work ethic that indicate the potential to develop their skills further, and 3) are “athletic enough” to hold their own against NBA athletes. Chasing “raw” unicorns is a recipe for frustration. Don’t try to break through your ceiling until you’ve built yourself a solid floor to jump from.

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May 30, 2022 3:07 pm
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Couldn’t agree more. The idea that having a clear skillset somehow makes your ceiling lower is seemingly counterintuitive despite being mainstream thinking.

If one guy comes into the league with the ability to handle the competition from day one, and another comes in raw, why can’t they both continue developing at similar rates? And if they do, then won’t the guy that was more talented to begin with end up better more often than not?

As you’ve said, we’ve missed on a lot of “upside” guys like Bagley or Giles. Athleticism like Sharpe is tantalizing, but at the end of the day, give me the guy that I know for sure can play.

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May 30, 2022 3:18 pm
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Food poisoning on raw, uncooked prospects? Now you’re telling me this? After all the doctor visits … and prescription meds …

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May 30, 2022 3:25 pm
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does that include John Salmonsella?

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May 30, 2022 4:37 pm

Yes, but for some reason, we came back for seconds.

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May 30, 2022 4:51 pm

Maybe for others, but my gastrointestinal issues started after that, and the more serious duodenal ulcers much later.

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May 31, 2022 1:15 am
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Luka was viewed as having a high ceiling (& a high floor) b/c of how skilled & good he was at such a young age. Fox & Mitchell had an obvious advantage in 1 area, but Idk if I’d say that they obvious advantages in multiple areas. WCS seemed like he’d have an obvious advantage on defense. Unicorns tend to have at least 1 obvious advantage instead of being raw prospects.

I agree that this is important (particularly #2):

1) have NBA-ready skills, 2) have a BBIQ and work ethic that indicate the potential to develop their skills further, and 3) are “athletic enough” to hold their own against NBA athletes.

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Age matters in that Murray will probably reach his peak more quickly than a younger prospect. That probably gives him less time to reach his ceiling.

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May 31, 2022 10:04 am
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keep hyping Murray I have been all aboard the Keegan train for a few months!

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May 31, 2022 7:39 am
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Good thoughts!

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May 30, 2022 9:48 am

Went with Daniels here. Solid fundamentals at such a young age. I believe he is one of the most solid but not spectacular type of player in the draft but would turn out to be the most productive. Essentially a type of player that everyone would love to have on their team.

He shot poorly in his stint in the G league but I have no doubt in my mind he can be a solid shooter as he progresses into his career. I believe he can average 12, 7 and 7 in his rookie season. He will be a really good player and has an excellent BBIQ. If we trade down to 7th-10th spot, he will be my first choice

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May 30, 2022 9:52 am

For those who say Ivey is the best pick at 4:
The similarities between his game and Foxs game isnt scary for you? I mean…they play VERY similar, even their weaknesses are the same…please explain why hes so coveted among Kings fans…
Arent the concerns about Fox/Mitchell fit enough?

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May 30, 2022 10:04 am
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I have zero concerns over how the #4 pick in this draft fits with anyone on this 30 win roster. Draft the most talented player. That is what this roster lacks: top shelf talent.

I don’t know if Ivey will wind up being the best available talent in this draft. I do know that the presence of Fox and especially Mitchell is no reason not to draft him. LUKA!!!

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May 30, 2022 10:19 am
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In my YouTube analysis, Ivey is not the BPA.
Hes probably the most explosive. Athletic. And this is not enough for me (Bagley)….his passing, court Vision, decision making and outside shot are VERY unreliable right now.
Keegan Murray and Ivey can compete for the BPA title at 4 without a doubt

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May 30, 2022 10:31 am
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And that’s fine. If you think that Murray is the better player, take Murray. I have Ivey over Murray, and both over Sharpe.

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I hope we don’t draft Murray with the 4th had we stayed at 7 fine but here would be a reach, he does a lot of things well but nothing expectacular and in the top 5 we shouldn’t be looking for a poor man’s Harrison barnes. We must be seeing different tape because Ivey has stardom all over him yet some calling his playmaking buddy like, the dude was playing Shooting guard he was asked to score primarily not pass, they also ran a lot of sets for their 2 bigs inside that clogged the lanes. He is a 6’4 Legit Shooting guard who can playmake if asked to but isn’t that by nature. Also in this nba having 4 legitimate guards isn’t a bad thing when teams are out there closing with 3 and even 4 guards at times not too mention wear and tear throughout the season. He is not Haliburton who needs the ball to be effective, he’s not Ja either, he’s more in the mold of Wade, we better not pass on him if we stay at 4 is my humble opinion.

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May 30, 2022 10:51 am
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What I got from the original comment was how we see Fox as not being the archetype of a player that can lead a team to the playoffs/success, etc. So why draft someone that plays an extremely similar style when we have seen it not work for 4 or 5 years now.

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May 30, 2022 8:44 pm
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Show me how drafting Ivey makes the Kings better. While it’s not really that hard, I’m suspecting it mostly comes back to hope.

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May 31, 2022 6:46 am
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I can’t Guru. I don’t think he does. Hope he does if they draft him, I just don’t think he is the “guy”

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May 30, 2022 10:55 am
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I have my concerns about Ivey, but they have nothing to do with similarities to, or fit with, Fox.

I’ll also say that while I’m not the biggest believer in Fox as a star, getting a Fox level player out of the pick would be a positive. Obviously, we’d like a franchise changing star, but Fox-type would be an above average outcome for the #4.

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May 30, 2022 12:51 pm

My biggest concern with drafting Ivey is you are essentially reconfiguring your roster for a tight fit. You are essentially moving on from one of DiVicenzo, Mitchell or Fox at that point. That’s fine….if Ivey is a top 20 type star. You reconfigure your roster for a player of that caliber.

Are you willing to pound the table for Ivey and claim that you think he’s a top 20 star player in the NBA? More importantly, would you be willing to stake your job on that?

I suppose I should add an And1 here. I get that you can draft Ivey and start to sort out your roster concerns later, but the only way I see you doing that is if you clearly believe Ivey is heads and tails better than everyone else. If that’s the case, why wouldn’t anyone else, too? Why wouldn’t, say, Orlando or OKC or Houston? If Ivey is so good that you can’t pass him on at 4, why would you pass in the top 3 picks?

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May 30, 2022 1:40 pm
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Again, I’m not a big believer in Ivey, but I have no real issue with moving on from DiVicenzo. He’s a fine player and be a useful piece in his role, but I don’t think he’s a guy worth thinking about much when it comes to bigger talent acquisition questions.

That said, I agree with you. I don’t have an issue with Ivey’s fit IF you think he’s a great prospect. But for me personally, I don’t think he’s especially close to being the BPA at the slot. So I’m certainly not motivated to deal with the potential fit/roster construction issues.

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May 30, 2022 5:23 pm

I’m not too high on Ivey. I think he has a low chance of being a bust, but seems to have quite a few flaws that make him a poor fit for today’s nba. Where do you have Ivey ranked on your big board BHE?

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May 30, 2022 7:34 pm
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Depending on the day, anywhere between 9-12. In a MarioCart style race with Mathurin, Davis, and Jovic. Jalen Williams is moving up fast, but I’m not sure he’s quite into this race yet.

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May 30, 2022 8:58 pm

Your lists on this regard are always interesting. But the fact Ivey doesn’t pop interests me. That matters.

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May 30, 2022 8:59 pm
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Or, doesn’t pop enough, anyway.

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May 30, 2022 8:54 pm

He’s a fine player and be a useful piece in his role, but I don’t think he’s a guy worth thinking about much when it comes to bigger talent acquisition questions.

Exactly. He’s not Davion Mitchell where, simply put, his defensive acumen alone is unique.

I don’t think he’s especially close to being the BPA at the slot. So I’m certainly not motivated to deal with the potential fit/roster construction issues.

Exactly. If Ivey were clearly BPA at #4, I’d argue he’s BPA at #2. Especially in this draft.

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May 30, 2022 8:02 pm
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Okc and Orlando are set on guards although I can argue that Okc doesn’t really have a legitimate 2 that can be a legit scoring weapon they have 2 really good playmaking guards that need the ball in their hands. Divincenzo is our only legit 2 guard and I’d prefer him in a 6th man role or playing the forward position as a 3 and D forward then being asked to score. Davion at times does that for us but is a bit small for the position he’s 6′ on a good day. Houston is the team to watch for me they might be tempted to draft Ivey but I don’t think it’s nessessary a given that the top 3 are locked in. I just think that we shouldn’t view our Shooting guard position as taken Ivey would be that man then we can trade Barnes and either Divincenzo or Davion for a legitimate forward.

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May 30, 2022 9:07 pm

 I just think that we shouldn’t view our Shooting guard position as taken Ivey would be that man then we can trade Barnes and either Divincenzo or Davion for a legitimate forward.

While I respect your opinion, I completely disagree. Ivey doesn’t have anything to do with Barnes. On his best day, no less. The reason you take Ivey is he’s easily the BPA at 4

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May 30, 2022 10:08 am

These are pretty much the prospects we would have been looking at had we not jumped to No. 4. Crazy.

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May 30, 2022 10:46 am

Went with Mathurin, seems like a much better wing prospect than Daniels, and a surer thing than the others.

And where is Johnny Davis? Taco Bell ads show that he’s already been picked!

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May 30, 2022 10:49 am

Going with Daniels or Sochan as both can defend. Might be OK to move down to get one from #4, if it also enables the Kings to get another player around the #15 range. Used to think differently, but now giving it some thought. If there was a trade where we could get both, that would be great, but seems impossible.

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May 30, 2022 11:20 am
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Daniels & Sochan are intriguing, but they seem like they’re easily below the top 6 prospects. I’d want a bona fide All-Star if the Kings make a trade that results in them not getting 1 of the top 6 prospects.

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May 30, 2022 10:59 am

This is the point on my draft board where BPA really gets fuzzy and man am I glad the Kings jumped to #4. I’d be pretty bummed if the Kings were really picking here or below.

From all that, fit has to be taken more and more into consideration. IMO, Kings have scoring and playmaking in Fox and Sabonis, what they need are dynamic wings that can either be lock down defenders or hit from range. Ideally you’d want a player that can do both, but those guys are higher up in the draft.

Sochan and Daniels look to be very solid defensive players but really can’t currently hit the side of a barn with their shots. Griffin and Mathurian look to be solid shooters but appear to be matadors on defense. I give the edge to defense at this point because that is the Kings glaring weakness. That means Sochan and Daniels are higher up my board than both Griffin and Mathurian.

The one guy left who at least appears to be a well rounded two way player is Eason. He’s a 6’8″ PF (with a 7’2″ wingspan!) who can hit from deep, protect the rim, and rebound at a solid rate. I see him as kind of a better defending Bobby Portis. I know I have him a lot higher than most, but I think he would make the most sense at #7. I know BHE has read some things that aren’t good in regards to some of his workouts, but I wouldn’t mind him coming to Sac or one.

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May 30, 2022 11:10 am
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Eason also has HUGE hands for what it’s worth.

That said, as you know, I have major issues with his decision-making on both ends of the floor. And I think his STOCK numbers that are one of the things that make him so enticing, are hugely inflated by his tendency to gamble a ton on both steals and blocks. As a result, he was always committing dumb fouls, throwing off the team defense, and making really poor decisions on offense.

I think his physical profile is enough to make him a 1st rounder, but I see him as a longer-term project/lottery ticket, rather than a guy you’re going to be able to confidently pencil into a rotation slot.

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May 30, 2022 1:07 pm

Eason might be the classic prospect that needs a couple of stops before you get to his max productivity.

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May 30, 2022 1:47 pm
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Yeah, that’s why I tend to stay away from teenagers that I don’t think are elite prospects. If you’re lucky they start to produce right around the time you have to pony up big money to keep them (Miles Bridges, Anfernee Simons, etc.). Unless we’re talking about guys I can see being okay with maxing in 4-5 years, I’d prefer to go with guys that I think can have a positive impact sooner. Which usually means guys I can see playing a solid NBA role without needing huge developmental leaps. For example, even if he doesn’t develop a great 3 pointer, I can see Daniels having a Shaun Livingston style impact. Even if Sochan doesn’t develop much from here, he can likely be a rich man’s Dwight Powell. Now, those aren’t world-beaters, but they are useful NBA players that you’re happy to have on your roster (as long as you don’t drastically overpay for them).

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May 30, 2022 8:33 pm

Well put.

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May 30, 2022 11:01 am

Had Sabonis, because of the amazing foresight of GM McNair, not traded for him for the lottery draft, not been available, we’d be discussing these current choices who seeming blend at the 7-11 level. Shrewd, like a 🦊, Monte. Very Shrewd. Tyrese Haliburton, and I like the guy, admire the player, but I’m thinking, 8th pick in the draft and what they doin’ to move up in the draft or who they packaging that pick with to get ??someone?? (Collins, Jerami Grant, Gordon Hayward, the usual suspects)

Benedict Mathurin. Well rounded game, as a shooter, as a scorer, and some D. The 3 and the D.
AJ Griffin and has an injury history that worries me (we miss you Harry Giles, and will forever wonder of what might had been, MPJr as well). I voted Griffin on impulse, but would withdraw and replace with the Wildcat.

Kings comparison: Jim Jackson, Bigger Kevin Martin

I am surprised not more scrutiny on Nikola Jovic who seems a very interesting prospect at 6’11”. Peja Stojakovic, Danilo Galinari or Jan Vesely?

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May 30, 2022 11:27 am

Wait, are you suggesting that not tradeing for Sabonis would have made the Kings better and therefore they would have drafted later in the draft. Would that mean the Sabonis trade made the Kings worse?

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May 30, 2022 11:30 am
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To me, it looks more like a suggestion that they wouldn’t have moved up to #4 if they hadn’t traded for Sabonis.

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May 30, 2022 11:39 am
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How can one assume that? Am I missing something?

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May 30, 2022 11:45 am
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It might be a joke.

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May 30, 2022 12:11 pm
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Just being silly. Apologies.

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May 30, 2022 12:51 pm

Ha! I kind of figured it was tongue in cheek.

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May 30, 2022 12:09 pm
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Few are heady enough to read the tea leaves. It was with supernatural prescience that GM McNair slotted both the Kings and the vested Sabonis at the lottery, which carried the pick down to almost Top 3 levels. It is patently clear.
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May 30, 2022 12:10 pm

sigh –

Fill in your own This is the way gif

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May 30, 2022 11:03 am

I think Daniels is the most intriguing remaining prospect. However, I only want the Kings to draft 1 of the top 6 prospects.

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May 30, 2022 11:04 am

It’s between Daniels and Sochan for me here. I went with Daniels because I’m a bigger believer in his offensive development path. But it’s really a toss-up for me.

For a little context, Daniels completely rebuilt his shot prior to this past G-League season and his numbers improved over the course of the season. It looks like it may have continued improving post-season, though obviously it’s always hard to tell how the improved mechanics hold up in live play.

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May 30, 2022 11:10 am

I like sochan for his versatile d as well. How long do you think a rebuilt shot takes before it really pans out? Lonzo took two years before you saw good results.

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May 30, 2022 11:18 am
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I think it depends on the player and anything I say would be nothing more than a guess. Like I said, it was already looking a lot better by the end of the year, and in the videos (take it for what it’s worth) he looks more more quick and confident with it. During the season it looked like he was still thinking through his new mechanics at times. Now it looks much more natural for him. Again, that’s in drills though.

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May 30, 2022 11:36 am

I agree that Daniels has more promise than Sochan when it comes to offense. One indicator I always look to in terms of a players potential from deep is their FT%. Sochan shot 29% from 3 but also a horrible 59% from the charity stripe. Daniels on the other hand was worse from 3 at just 25%, but shot a respectable 73% from the line. It’s a very small sample size (14 games at just 1.5 attempts per game), but it is something. Daniels also has shown the ability to share the ball and create for others. That gives him the edge over Sochan.

I just can’t think of any good 3pt shooters who couldn’t hit from the charity stripe. It’s also why I don’t think Fox will ever develop a reliable outside shot. His career average from the line is pedestrian 72%

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May 30, 2022 12:12 pm
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Bruce Bowen!!!

but yeah, Daniels also displays really nice touch for other parts of the floor. That’s also an indicator for me.

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May 30, 2022 1:08 pm

57% from the FT line!!!

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May 30, 2022 2:09 pm

Good call. I forgot about Bowen.

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May 30, 2022 2:08 pm
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Wait, Daniels shot a respectable 73% but fox’s 72 is pedestrian? 1% difference? If fox hits from three at a 33% clip or a little above, I think I’d be ok with that. I think he can get to 33.

The only player I can think of that shot great from three but terribly from the line was nick anderson. But that was a case of shot confidence after that one playoff series where he bricked those free throws.

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May 30, 2022 2:12 pm
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I suppose the difference there is that the standard for a 19-year-old and a 24-year-old is different.

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May 30, 2022 2:20 pm

Fair point.

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May 30, 2022 3:56 pm
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And pay scale. Players can improve. Fox just hasn’t in 5 years. FWIW, Fox shot 73% in college.

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May 30, 2022 11:07 am

I had a tough time choosing between Daniels and mathurin. Both I like for different reasons. I went with Daniels for his better on the ball defense and added height. He seems like a taller davion from the first half of the year with his terrible shooting, from the YouTube videos I’ve watched of the ignite.

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May 30, 2022 11:10 am

For those of you who watch college basketball a lot more than I do, can you explain to me why Mathurin isn’t ranked as high as Ivey? They are both sophomores and they both average similar scoring averages and only differ slightly in other numbers. From what I read and the highlights that I had seen, Mathurin is an really good athlete (like Ivey) and is probably a better shooter. What are Mathurin’s glaring weaknesses? Is it his handles?

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May 30, 2022 11:12 am

Would go with AJ Griffin here… 3 point specialist and the Kings could use more 3 point shooting to space the floor for Sabonis. …But basically I would not trade past #6 unless we’re setting up some kind of All-Star deal.

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May 30, 2022 11:20 am

Saw this trade on BR:
Atlanta Hawks receive: No. 4 pick and Harrison Barnes
Sacramento Kings receive: No. 16 pick, No. 44 pick and John Collins

I personally think it’s a horrible trade for us. I’d rather just use the 4th pick and move Barnes in a separate trade.

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May 30, 2022 11:21 am
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That’s awful.

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May 30, 2022 11:41 am
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Nope. Hard pass.

The Kings basically have a chance to draft a John Collins type of impact player on a rookie deal and #4 AND keep Barnes.

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May 30, 2022 1:37 pm
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Maybe if huerter was also coming with nothing else going out from.the kings.

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May 30, 2022 11:56 am

Mathurin for me. I don’t know why exactly, but he reminds me a bit of MJ and I can see him blossoming into a star in the not to distant future

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May 30, 2022 12:53 pm

Voted Sochan, of course, but I wouldn’t be unhappy with any of Daniels, Mathurn or Sochan really at this point. Or Eason, either, for that matter.

I’m just not sold on AJ Griffin in any way shape or form at this point. And the shooting, while wonderful, just isn’t enough for me to say yay at the 7th pick in the draft.

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May 30, 2022 1:21 pm

It’s at this level of murkiness that stabs in the dark make more sense to me.

IMO, this is where the Shaedon Sharpe hype starts – late lottery or later. Again – drafting on immeasurables – I like Nikola Jovic as
much as Sharpe, Dyson Daniels, Osmane Dieng and Marjon Beauchamps, if not more, as he’s likely more Euro foundationally sound. If it’s Star or Bust – I dunno what to say.

After seeing Bam and Ayton and Looney in the playoffs, I am leaning towards the young strapping Jalen Duren next. Ox can’t pull the cart all the time unless you believe the Kings already have that in Neemias.

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May 30, 2022 2:25 pm

I’d love to see Nikola Jovik as an option. I know he’s projected later, but I suspect he’ll be picked much higher because: A. He’s a very skilled player with size (Watch some tape) and B. His name is very similar to another player that is very good in the NBA.

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May 30, 2022 5:53 pm
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Bojan or Bodgan?

If Jovic is the Bogdan of Jokic’s Bojan – would that be a satisfactory outcome? The Jovial not quite The Joker.

I am stretching this to retching.

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May 30, 2022 4:27 pm

Now the reasonable ceiling turns to tile players. I think I like Eason the best but I don’t know much about Daniels.

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May 30, 2022 8:24 pm

I went Sochan. We need defense. He’s a great defender now with a chance to become elite. Any offense we can get would be cherries on top. We need defenders more than scorers right now. Sochan will be my pick until he’s off the board.

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May 30, 2022 10:28 pm

Went mathurin here.

Personal dream draft day:

Trade 4 and Holmes to Ind for 6 and Brogdon.

6 we take what falls from ivey, Sharpe and Murray but with brogdon I hope it’s Murray.

37 we take Jalen Williams to develop and hopefully replace a Barnes.

49 we take Travion Williams, guy reminds me of sabonis with low post game and passing skills. Hopefully can be a solid backup pf.

Fox, Davion
Brogdan, DD
Murray, TD
Barnes, Lyles
Sabonis, Damion Jones

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May 31, 2022 1:33 am
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I’d be shocked if Jalen Williams was available at #37.

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