Welcome to the 2021 Kings Herald Community Draft Board, an annual tradition. Last year the Kings took Davion Mitchell, who was 14th on the Community Draft Board. This will mark the 3rd annual Community Draft Board for the Kings Herald, but we’ve been doing this as a community since 2008. You can check out some of the old boards here.
This is the readership’s opportunity to create a democratic draft board which represents the order in which we as a collective would like the Kings’ draft board to look like. It does not represent the desires of individual writers or fans, but some semblance of the community’s collective thinking.
When a choice comes up, pick who you’d want the Kings to pick given all the players remaining. Note: THIS IS NOT A MOCK DRAFT. This is a draft board, a ranked list of prospects you’d like to see the Kings pick. In other words, if we were the Kings front office, when our pick came up, we’d take the top name left on our board. So pick your choice, not who you think Monte McNair or anyone else would choose in a slot.
Explain your choice in the comments, and lobby for who should be added to the next pick’s choices.
This poll ends at 5 AM tomorrow. The next one will begin shortly thereafter. We will go roughly 20 picks deep.
In Sacramento, you always draft a guy called Jabari Smith.
Smith seems like the player most likely to become dominant, and sooner rather than later, which is important. He checks a lot of boxes where the Kings need help.
I’d go Jabari Smith Jr. as my first choice for the Kings. Great shooter, smooth stroke, has the potential to switch and defend multiple positions. Great fit next to Sabonis and is a year younger than Holmgren
I took Jabari Smith.
I think my board looks like this for the top 10 (mostly based off archetype more than I hate this guy/love this guy and/or observations off game tape):
1) Smith Jr
2) Banchero
3) Holmgren
4) Sochan
5) Sharpe
6) Murray
7) Mathurin
8) Ivey
9) Eason
10) Griffin
I guess I just don’t love AJ Griffin and there’s at least 7 wings/F’s I’d rather have than him at this point. Hell, there’s no way Tari Eason goes in the top 10 but I’d still rather have him than Griffin.
I’d be pretty thrilled with any of the top 7 at the 1:4 pick. I trust the FO to get it right, too. But, we shall see.
Edit this to add a spoiler alert, otherwise the next nine days will hold no promise of mystery, which is probably the only thing keeping some of these people alive.
You have committed a stabbable offense, other than being yourself which indeed is also a stabbable offense but I digress because I’m all about run-on sentences today that are annoying as hell and yeah somewhere along inside here there was a point and yadda yadda yadda.
Had to get that out of my system. Apologies. Yeah, these next 30 days will be interesting. Be interesting to see what narratives end up holding the best over the longer term. As per usual.
Is there ever a bad time for a Simpsons GIF? LOL
My original response was to go with Fat Tony, but this seemed fun and fresh.
Really, is there a wrong option when it’s a Simpsons GIF? I’m not even that big of a Simpsons fan, but even I get a kick out of them.
I trust the FO to get it MOSTLY right. I don’t necessarily expect them to choose the player that turns out to be the absolute best, but I trust them to make a solid decision. Which is a relatively new feeling when it comes to Kings management.
Fair. I can’t argue with those that hold this opinion.
There is too much chance to choose the best player in draft unless you are choosing LeBron, or let’s say a guy like Doncic..
I just don’t want to pick a bust.. there so many red flags with Bagley that you could have picked safely and had stud with any of the following:
even though I picked Holmgren in my top 9 I think he has size issues that will make him a bust..
Doncic, Young, JJJ, miles Bridges,
It’s time to Elsa about Luka.
I’m
Smith
Banchero
Murray.. I know I am probably way too high on him
Ivey
Sharpe
Holmgren
Mathurin
Griffin
I like Murray. I like tbt loads too. Would only swap Sharpe and Ivey. If I take a swing, I’d rather take it on a hyper-athletic Sharpe over Chet, so I like the placement here.
Oops. Autocorrect. Meant to say I like your board too.*
I divide it into tiers.
Tier 1: Jabari, Paolo
Tier 2: Chet
Tier 3: Sharpe, Murray, Ivey
Tier 4: I’ll be annoyed if anyone from Tier 4 or below is drafted.
We’re talking about the Kings here. You’re supposed to divide it into tears.
Hopefully my Kings-related memories won’t be like tears in the rain.
It’s telling, that you include no reason for baggin’ on Griffin. Let me explain: the reason you, and others, are hating on Griffin is, he is the only teenager in this draft with the size, skills, and talent the Kings are looking for who has actually been given a chance to show his weaknesses. Duke is a tough place to play, stiff competition.
Of course, we can dream of perfect unicorns straight out of fantasyland, (or Canada?), but there isn’t a “perfect” teen basketball player in reality. In reality, the Kings need a Forward who can shoot, and Griffin shot %44.7 from three, as a freshman for a team that made the Final Four! Also a strong offensive rebounder, and a nagging injury isn’t a reason to sweat a 18 year old. Stop it with the knee injury! He’ll either be medically clear or he’s DQ’d. Unless, of course, your an Orthopedist?
Chet. Think he can bring a lot to the court in every capacity. It might take a few years, and if he develops, look out.
De’Aaron Fox should take Chet under his wing over the summer and show him how to pack on weight to a skinny frame.
Chet needs to be chowing on food and protein shakes all day, lol
Remember when Donte Greene tried to “bulk up” on a diet of pasta fried in goosefat?
I don’t remember that, and it sounds awful.
What
Your comments appreciated.
PS- Could add Metu to the above Holmes trade.
In the above trade I already have Metu with Davis. Also the above #2 spot would send us their #6 back to us. Sorry folks way to early in the morning and I have had only two cups of coffee.
With the Nigerian national team connection to mike Brown and two other coaches I would be surprised if Metu was used in any trades. I think he’s 100% on the roster next season.
on that note I would leave him out of your very fun possible trade scenarios to keep it more realistic.
I’d rather just keep the 4th pick. That entire team you built has a playin ceiling. The 4th pick is real opportunity to potentially draft a long term starting level player who could turn into a star.
I’m not sure if Charlotte would do that trade. The #4 pick is a massive overpay for Duarte.
thats an understatement. 25 year old sophomore for a chance at a stud youngster. Pacers would pounce on that move without batting an eye
Chet Holmgren is the one person I would never draft, anywhere. I just cannot imagine someone of his height and frame—seemingly very small-boned—succeeding in the NBA. He cannot add a lot of muscle on that frame without his joints giving out. Think of all the knee, ankle, and foot problems naturally bigger and stronger players have. He’ll either always be skinny and unable to compete, or he will add weight that his frame cannot withstand and always be injured.
Devil’s advocate here – because he does not carry a massive amount of weight, perhaps he would have fewer knee, ankle and feet problems?
Rudy Gobert weighed more than Holmgren as a rookie, but I remember the knock on him at the time was that he had a slight build and would not be able to withstand the rigors of the NBA.
If Holmgren is a viable threat from deep – and he appears to have that aspect to his game – he strikes me as a guy that would be no worse than a Nemanja Bjelica with more length and a better overall game. That is not a guy that I would never draft anywhere. He is a guy that comes with significant risk, especially at the top of the draft.
If he adds weight, he will have foot/joint problems. If he stays thin, he will not be able to compete.
http://dsz7vodgjx60a.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/giannis_workout_130801_6.jpg
Too thin, he will never make it in the league
Nope, too thin. Try again
He was so skinny his team vanished into thin air!
Durant still looks like that lol 😂
I could be wrong, but I don’t think Chet ever has had the musculature that even a very young Giannis had. Compare their shoulders.
He’s not going to develop physically like Giannis. But very few people do and Chet doesn’t necessarily have to to succeed.
Aileen is that you? Leg hair analysis coming soon
Giannis as rookie, 6’11”, 217 pounds, an inch shorter and more than twenty pound bigger than Holmgren.
Here’s what I found…
From ballsilife.com
And from Kevin Arnovitz/ESPN back in 2016:
By summer league he weighed 217. The 196 has got to be wrong.
Maybe, but maybe not by much. Skinny guys who have never or rarely worked out in their lives can often put on a ton of weight in a very short period of time– “newbie gains,” as gym folks say. It’s not all muscle, but when someone starts out that thin, a little more body fat doesn’t hurt, and can be easily “cut” later as needed or desired, without losing the newfound muscle.
Photo I posted was from summer league before rookie season. At that time he was a year younger than Holmgren is now. And already much more muscular. At 6’9” he was three inches shorter and barely nineteen when drafted. If Holmgren was going to fill out the process would have started, as it did with Giannis at a younger age.
I was wrong. This pic and stats are from the 2014 summer league before his second season. He was just 18 as a rookie, 19 at start of his second season. Holmgren is already 20. He will never be a big, but he could be a rim-protecting small forward as Hobby916 suggested.
Just look at the beating all the bigs are taking in this playoffs. I don’t see it. Which doesn’t mean I’m right, just very difficult for me to see Holgrem surviving 4 brutally physical series.
To my eye, the problem is not the slight build (Bill Russell had a slight build). The problem is his very small bones.
I feel attacked.
I’ve got a bone to pick with you, Andy. A very small bone!
I also think Chet is more suited to be a perimeter player in the NBA. He has the footwork to operate out there, and then the weakside rim protection to be a force on defense. I don’t expect him to be in the paint against Embiid, Jokic, Nurkic, etc. Let him stretch the floor offensively, spend some time in the dunker’s spot. Sabonis is the paint defender with Chet helping as needed.
A small forward? I hadn’t thought of that. Yeah, maybe.
Basically a quicker, better playmaking version of Porzingis, without the ego.
Oops, I should have read more closely. I said the same below.
I think he’d be more of a combo F.
Let’s keep things kid-friendly here.
I confess I was misled by the phrase “three bigs.” There aren’t three bigs in that group. There are two bigs and—on a very optimistic projection—a Kevin Durant-type small forward (but very tall). Durant is small like Holmgren and doesn’t try to go up against the bigs.
Giannis is a freak of nature, to compare him to Chet regarding the weight thing is laughable.
I can’t get past his slim frame either. Not saying he won’t excel in the NBA; just saying I don’t know if I’d use a number 4 pick on him, especially with the state of the Kings team.
(But then again, I’d go for a full rebuild rather than trying to duct tape this team into a champion.)
His frame worries me, but he has enough talent that I think he’s the 3rd best prospect in the draft.
Chet’s skinny frame worries me. I’d rather have Jabari or Paolo.
Honest question, when has a skinny frame derailed an NBA career?
I can only think of dudes who where super skinny when they came into the league and turned into studs: Durant, Giannis, Ingram, etc.
It seems like Shawn Bradley had a disappointing career for a #2 pick. While Chet’s frame worries me, I think he’d probably be the BPA if he drops to #4.
Another example of a skinny player who was thought to have a lot of potential & didn’t reach it was Skal (though his frame wasn’t his only problem). It also seems like Porzingis has had injury issues due to his frame.
Who ya’ got?
At the time, I had a slight preference for Durant (I was living in Portland at that time & most of the Blazers fans I knew had a small to large preference for Oden). Obviously Durant’s had a much better career. However, I don’t think Chet will be the same type of player as Durant or nearly as good as Durant.
Nor do I. I just don’t think that Holmgren is significantly more risky than any of the other guys in this draft. Thin guys succeed and thin guys fail. So do guys that come in with NBA bodies.
Put another way, if you look at Holmgren’s collegiate stats (raw or advanced) and ignore his frame, he is a slam dunk #1. His body is the only reason that there is a reason that he may not go #1. And that is a viable concern. But I sure don’t see it as a reason for him to fall completely off the draft board, which was the comment that began this sub-thread.
He’s my #2 pick. Of course, I know nothing.
“Chet Holmgren is soooo skinny. He uses a Cheerio as a hula hoop. I’m kidding! You don’t think I’m being cereal?”
He’s so thin that the team has to run the toothpick and roll.
Gold
You forgot the “Wake waka waka!”
OK. I take it back. But he will never be an interior player in the NBA.
He’s talented, but I think Chet’s definitely riskier than Jabari due to his frame. I wouldn’t take him off the board, but I’d rather draft Jabari & Paolo. I think Chet’s the 3rd best prospect. If Chet’s available at #4, it almost certainly would mean that he’s the BPA at #4.
Yep, I get it. Smith, Holmgren and Banchero are my tier 1 guys. Ivey and Murray come next. I can’t put Sharpe there yet – just have not seen enough of him.
I have Chet a tier below Jabari & Paolo & a tier above Sharpe, Murray & Ivey.
Expecting literally any prospect ever to be as good as Durant is foolish.
My main point was that I don’t think Chet will be the same type of player as Durant. I’d never expect being as good as Durant to be the most realistic outcome, but I think prospects can have a Durant-like ceiling every so often. The last prospect I thought could have that high of a ceiling was Luka.
I blame the photographer for cropping this photo too close to Oden’s knees.
While I generally like most Sonic uni’s, this one looks as if KD is wearing a giant, yellow egg on his front.
The Baker’s dozen!
Wow, amazing—I actually never saw that egg before, but now I can’t unsee it!
Bradley played for 12 seasons in the NBA and there are really only a few players of note taken after him: Penny Hardaway #3, Jamal Mashnburn #4, Vin Baker #8, Allen Houston #11, and maybe Sam Cassell at #24.
It wasn’t his fault it was a bad draft year.
I’d definitely take Cassell ahead of Bradley.
Awww cmon Adam. You know damn well Shawn Respert was going to be better than Shawn Bradley! You’re just a h84 boi!
Off the top of my head: Ralph Sampson and Brad Sellers are two (Sampson was much taller than Holmgren, body broke down). Yao Ming was too big for his joints but not skinny. It’s harder to remember skinny guys that never made it ‘cuz the ones who didn’t make it are more obscure.
I picked Banchero.
Come at me, bro!
I think Banchero falls to the Kings at 4. I think they draft him too.
I’d be escatic!
please please pleas
Don’t think it would be a bad pickup by any stretch.
That being said, I would prefer the home-run swing of Sharpe or the steady hand of Murray. Keegan reminds me of Jayson Tatum lite.
Paolo’s potential is probably too great to pass on him, but I just don’t know if Sacramento is the place where he fully develops.
Fox-Paolo-Sabonis is not scaring anybody from beyond the arc, which makes it congested for all of them inside it. Moreover, I just really don’t see that core ever finishing in the top half of the league on defense.
I envision a couple years of sputtering until we lose Sabonis in FA, and trade Paolo before RFA. Paolo becomes a star with a change of scenery, and all the while Murray, Ivey, and Sharpe have all cemented themselves as quality starters with their respective teams.
In sum, having to pick Paolo is kind of a nightmare scenario for me.
I think you’re underrating Paolo’s 3pt shot. He shot well on CnS. His overall percentage suffered because he was used as a creator and shot a lot of pull-ups. If his assisted/unassisted shot balance was like Smith’s, I bet their percentages would be much, much closer.
You may be right. It’s just outside of Chet/Jabari, the #4 spot seems quite perilous to me.
Take the safe choice in Murray, watch Ivey/Paolo/Sharpe blossom into superstars.
Take a chance on a superstar, end up with an all-time bust that sets us back another half decade.
I do not envy Monte’s position.
This is exactly my sentiment. I do think there is major potential for Ivey approaching the draft to bump into the top three. That likely slides Paolo but his fit with us I think is just as imperfect as Ivey.
In the inverse we really shouldn’t be over-drafting what we want. Especially with the main rationale being the postseason push. That said I am struggling to see the teams available or interested in trading up. Trading the pick full stop without assets for an immediate contributor solely I think would be irresponsible (although it would depend on the deal)
If it was possible to trade back between 7 and 10 with a plus starter grade player attached I think it might smartly split the difference. But all that is informed subconsciously on the playoff mandate and the fact the team rushed the timeline.
I would be lying if I said I would not prefer a reality in which we had Haliburton, this pick and shopping Fox at this point in time. Obviously pick four or Fox’s improvement wouldn’t have been guaranteed, and it isn’t to say I even dislike what we ended up with, but the primary rationale of that trade I believe suspect. I think that fact is making this more difficult than it likely is or should be.
Ultimately it’s exciting and we will one way or another end up with exciting prospect and or an improved roster. Its just sorting out what is paramount to the franchises decision making process is a bit confounding to say the least.
Right now I’m in the camp that if Paolo slips to 4 because Ivey or Sharpe moved up, Monte had better call Detroit and/or Indy to see if they re willing to trade up. The Kings can get quality talent and a better fit in Murray and possibly an asset to boot.
It’d take a hell of a trade for me to prefer a trade to drafting Paolo.
I’m going to disagree with you, I think it’s a shot for Monte to draft a star level player in a way he might not get again for a long time if ever. This isn’t a bad place to be, it’s quite the place to be if you think there’s a player of that caliber for you to take at 4.
Even more so if you can swing a trade AND draft a player at 4 that can help you, you can draft with the potential for down the line and still find a way to improve your roster with the expectation you are in the playoffs next season.
Whether people are willing to admit or not, the Kings are in a pretty good position to come away with a young star AND improve their roster by trading for a veteran at the same time.
While the Kings are in a position where they could trade for a vet & draft a star, it’ll be hard to do that.
Honestly, where else in the NBA fans who are concerned about peril after moving up three spots in the order? Drafting higher is certainly no guarantor of success, but it sure as hell is better than having three more teams ahead of you that could take the guy you actually want.
Being bad for as long as the Kings have plays mind tricks on people, me thinks, Sims.
Hell we would be have stress if we jumped four or god forbid 5 spots to the coveted 2 spot.. we have ready screwed up a 1 with never nervous and a 2 with Bagley..
So goddamn what? Bill Russell screwed up the draft in 1989, and Vlade Divac (drafted in 1989 of course) screwed it up in 2018.
As long as you don’t have a 1989 connection to it, you’ll be okay.
On a serious note, just because this organization has been a clusterfuck doesn’t mean it has to continue to be. I suspect that McNair will go after a star with upside at that pick because he’s never picked anywhere close to that high either with Houston or now Sacramento.
It is what it is, but the past doesn’t scare me. What I’m hopeful for is you have a GM that’s thinking longer term and trying to draft a star regardless of what the public perception is on that player.
I know it doesn’t have to be… as a fan I feel taking the safer pick is the way to go after numerous failings the last 15 years, but safer does not always translate to wins.. maybe Part of the reason I like Murray is that he’s a little older, a little more polished and has the highest floor. I guess one might say that he’s the safer pick
I really just want some competitive fun basketball to watch where I have some hope they can make it to the second round of the playoffs in the next couple years
Me too W2W. Me too.
Reminds me of last night’s Dallas v Dubs game. After the 1st qtr Powell was so confused he didn’t know whether to shoot or pass so in the end he did neither.
I agree, but having such a long playoff drought makes people worry.
I think you’re misunderstanding my concern for making the wrong choice for not wanting to make the choice at all. Of course the 4th pick is better than the 7th, it’s just it comes with higher stakes. And that’s for a GM who’s already feeling the seat start to warm – hence I do not envy Monte’s position.
Jabari’s the only prospect that doesn’t worry me in some way. Chet’s frame worries me. I worry about how a Sabonis-Paolo combo will affect the perimeter defense. Sharpe may have a low floor. It seems like Murray has less of a chance of being a star. I worry that a Fox-Ivey combo will shoot so poorly that it affects the spacing of the offense.
I’m in complete agreement except I’m simply less worried about Chet’s frame than everyone else seems to be.
He’s been healthy, and while he’ll certainly get bigger to some degree, having less weight will probably reduce injury concerns over the long-run.
I also see him as a stretch-4 with Sabonis dealing with the giants of the league in the post.
I’ve been thinking the same thing. Not sure what weird vibe I’m picking up on but I can’t help but think exactly this.
I doubt he gets past Houston, but I’d be ecstatic if the Kings draft him.
No need for a fight. That’s a perfectly reasonable pick and well within the expected range for Banchero.
“That’s a
perfectlypurrfectly reasonable pick”I think he’s the 2nd best prospect.
Jabari. Pretty clear cut for me. Things will get interesting at #4.
Prediction:
Ivey gets selected in the top 3 and one of the assumed “top 3” big men is available. Kings phone is off the hook, as another team reaaaaaly wants whomever is there at 4. Kings in the driver seat, but end up trading away the pick for someone like Derrick Jones Jr and cash considerations.
The streak lives on.
We laugh now…
I’m not laughing.
More realistic but just as sad: Someone in the presumed top tier falls to 4, but the Kings pass on him and draft “their guy” anyway, instead of drafting the top-tier guy and trading him for “their guy” plus additional assets. “Their guy” busts, the asset(s) they could have acquired turn out well, and the top-tier prospect becomes the next Luka. It’s 2018 all over again! Oh happy days.
Or it turns out to have been the right move to pass on the so-called obvious choice.
None of these guys enter the draft with remotely the level of game that Doncic had in 2018. Throw in Luka’s experience playing pro ball at a high level, and succeeding unequivocally, and you’re talking apples and Tang.
We are definitely talking Tang.
Is Tang still a thing? There could be some younger people on this thread who have no idea what you’re talking about sims.
I miss tang. Is tang still a thing? Asking seriously.
You just need to learn how to ask for it.
If Jabari Smith Jr. appears in as many playoff games for the Kings as Jabari Smith Sr. did, this pick will be a resounding success.
I would take Chet. I think the Kings would take Smith. I would be perfectly happy with any of Chet, Smith, or Banchero.
I went with Chet. Highest ceiling and he’d be a perfect frontcourt complement with Sabonis as a stretch-4 that brings weakside help.
Going with Jabari Smith Jr. as #1 on the board. I think he has potential to be a star while still having a pretty decent floor. An athletic stretch big who can add scoring punch and has a lot of defensive potential could do wonders for this team.
He’s probably the safest pick IMO. The chances he’s Rashard Lewis are extremely high and that’s a very good player. That said, depending on how we define “star” it’s pretty hard to be a true star (say, top 20 player) without being a high level creator/facilitator or an elite defender.
Smith is already a good defender though. He seems kind of a lock to average 20/5/3 while playing great perimeter defense. I’m also concerned about his playmaking and finishing around the rim, but even if that never develops he’s a pretty high-level 3&D SF for a team that is desperate for one of those.
I think this overrates his defense. Like Ivey, his defensive upside is mostly theoretical. For example Chet is a better present perimeter defender. I expect Jabari to be somewhere on the positive side if average as an NBA defender but not special. Again, very much like Rashard Lewis.
I think he could potentially be an elite defender.
Sure. As much as anyone with the tools can potentially. But he hasn’t shown that kind of acumen yet. I think he’ll be a very Harrison Barnes defender. Pretty good and able to be at least passable defending across the front court.
I’m going Chet because I think he has a higher defensive floor and ceiling and that aligns with the new direction of this team since we hired Mike Brown. Him and Jabari are obviously 1Aa and 1Ab though.
Rumors of us trading up are starting to surface so maybe we’ll get Chet or Jabari after all! Can’t ever luck into the first pick so might as well trade up.
Those rumors just mean that the Kings are doing their due diligence and not because they’re committed to trading the pick.
I agree. I don’t think they’re committed to anything right now. Just happy to see reports we’re interested in trading up, and not just staying put or trading back.
Smith edges out Holmgren for me, but I would be happy with either one (or Paolo, for that matter).
I voted Jabari, opinion subject to change over the next month.
Same, I just voted for Chet and am already looking over the fence at Jabari. Jabari seems less risky and is a year younger.
Tough call but I’d go with Jabari. I put some weight on Eric Musselman’s opinion who coached against all three. He said Jabari is like a 6’10” Klay Thompson. Have fun trying to guard that.
The Musselman article seemed like it had hindsight bias WRT previous drafts.
The previous drafts have nothing to do with ranking the three players. I like that it’s the perspective of a coach who went up against them. It’s a completely different narrative. I suppose there could be many reasons why a player “did not help his college team win”, like Fultz, (eg., not being utilized correctly) but it raises questions, especially when picking in the top 10.
With all the talk about Minnesota expectations (without the Minnesota talent, of course), I’m fearful that the Kings will trade the pick for a veteran and pass on another superstar. Sharpe, Smith or Holmgren should be taken if they are available instead of trading the pick, but I’m afraid we are going to see a creative variation of the Luka disaster.
There are rumors that the Kings are likely to trade the pick to move up in the draft rather than moving down. Possible scenario is they trade with OKC for the #2 pick and OKC gets the 4th pick where they are rumored to like Ivey.
Not sure how this is true but if it is, I’d be ecstatic having either Smith or Holmgren
Right now you can find rumors of the Kings trading up, down and out of the pick.
As it should be.
Absolutely. It’s good when no one knows what the Kings are going to do. It’s bad when the Kings have no idea what the Kings are going to do. Here’s to better times ahead!
I still have no idea what the Kings DID
I need to know if Monte will post a selfie with his whiteboard in the background. How else will I know who is the best fit?
Based on my extensive research, I went with Smith.
I don’t trust Chet, for reasons … (Here is my receipt to make fun of me later.)
Why do I need a recept to make fun of you later when I can do so now?
Cuz I am putting my takes in writing, for example: Murray > Chet when we look back on their NBA careers.
I don’t think that’s an idiot take at all. I think it’s reasonable to wonder how high Keegan Murray’s ceiling is, but that wouldn’t especially shock me at all.
Now if only you had the same quality of opinion regarding my pictures of my home cooked taters on Twitter that would be another matter….but alas we cannot all win at the game of life.
Was the phone you took the pictures with made out of tator tots?
(ducks, runs for life)
I think Keegan’s ceiling is miles bridges but better rebounding and defense.. he reminds me of a taller Miles in some ways
If I saw a picture of your home cooked taters I’d probably rec you to the top of the thread. As a recently single dude who has come to the conclusion that I’m a miserable cook and have taken to eating mostly from taco trucks I’d likely believe anything you have to say.
BTW – I went with Paolo here and my next pick will be Murray.
Smith. Because the only who I think is a sure thing to be a long term starter. Maybe not an all-star, but a solid player for a decade.
As long as they stay healthy, I think Jabari, Chet, Paolo, Murray & Ivey will almost certainly be long-term starters.
I think Jabari’s combo of offensive & defensive skills give him the best chance of being a star.
Jabari is the pick. Followed by Sharpe, Banchero, and probably a coin flip between Holmgren, Ivey and then Murray. BTW, I usually lean upside and I’m not seeing it with Murray. Seems like a less athletic Harrison Barnes. He’s nice and all, but with the 4th pick? Nah.
Ok I guess I’ll be the 1 person to pick banchero first.
I like his playmaking in transition and in the half court. I think he’ll be a real threat from deep at his position. Not sure he’s someone who will ever care too much about defense. He also strikes me as someone who thinks he should be playing for the lakers.
I have concerns about Chet and Jabari that are greater than Paolo’s.
Kosta beat you by about four hours.
He said “I’ll be the 1 person to pick banchero first”
It’s a true statement. 🙂
“Not sure he’s someone who will ever care too much about defense.”
Don’t we have enough of these?
somebody: “Hey Sacramento Kings, if I told you your defense was terrible would you get defensive?”
Sacramento Kings: “Nah. No worries.”
Banchero, P.
Seems to be touted as a high BBIQ, predictable standard PF who has a nice everything game – Inside scoring, Rebounding, Playmaking. Good hands, quick feet. Not a big 3 shooter. Yet.
If I do a Kings Comps: Boogie without the attitude. Webber v.2.
I like a frontcourt, going Ol’ Kings – with Sabonis in the Tunel21 mode and Paolo as CW#4. Is that team not a winner in today’s NBA? Dunno. I’d like to see a bigger frontcourt and add pieces to that.
Call it a FossilizedFlatus gas from the past.
I can’t sell myself on the idea that Banchero has anything close to DMC’s talent level, or will ever be so dominant. I don’t think it’s only my opinion that he could’ve gone #1 if not for the emotional issues. Boogie had Hall of Fame talent, and was a 20/10/5 guy in his sleep. It’s tragic that he had such serious injuries and won’t be able to make a case.
Will Paolo Banchero have HoF level talent? Your guess is better than mine. But on this Kings-centric blog site I am going to stick with the comparison that as a big bodied, high skill frontcourt player I fantasize over DeMarcus and CWebb as the upper level potential for this Dukie. It is a wild guess and I am sure to be wrong.
You never know. Even if Banchero goes elsewhere, I’d still like him to reach his potential. More great players just makes the game fun to watch.
One of my biggest ongoing concerns with Banchero is that I picked him first.
That lowers his potential immensely and makes him a likely bust on that recommendation alone.
You also suffer from the sims Effect?
How can one admit to being a follower/fan
of the Sacramento Kings and not have a heaping dose of self reproach?
His talent level is absolutely comparable to Cousins as a draftee. And he’s more polished.
This is no criticism on anyone, I just find it very very interesting on a psychological level (there should be studies done on fandom) of how us fans (me included) with little knowledge on these prospects (me included) can take a guy like Holmgren who has been on the very very very top of many many mock drafts for the last 2 months can suddenly drop a guy down to “if he falls to #4 I wouldn’t take him” levels.
its a trip.
Like how the hell is it possible that I would prefer Sharpe over Holmgren at this moment in time?!?!?!
someone above made a point about Holmgren being a small forward. This makes me start liking the idea of selecting him much much better. These little comments here and there carry so much weight in my opinions. If Holmgren is a “Durant like SF” then what the hell are we (me) afraid of? Seems like that type of dude should go #1!!
I need a beer.
If Chet drops to #4, I think he’ll probably be the BPA.
If we’re looking at present NBA comps, he’s probably closer to a harder-playing, tougher, more team oriented Porzingis. He’s what everybody wanted Porzingis to be. He’ll mostly likely spend most of his time as a be a perimeter oriented PF in the NBA.
The bastard son of Keon Clark and Hedo Turkoglu.
That’d be a hell of a player if he only displays the + attributes.
You know more about Holmgren than I do so I really do ask this with an open mind: Do you see Holmgren maximizing his value playing next to Sabonis for much of his career?
I mean, it’s hard to envision a better fit if Chet’s strengths translate. He can provide floor spacing, finishing and more ball handling on offense. It would be a blast watching Chet and Sabonis take turns as the ball handler in PnRs. On defense he can defense stretch 4s and big 3s, and provide weak side rim protection while having the mobility and length to dig and still recover to challenge 3s. Sure, you wish he had 20 more lbs on him, but in terms of present skills and strengths it’s hard to imagine a better fit with Sabonis.
So you think it’s likely that Holmgren ends up being more of a PF than a C his entire career? One concern I have is that Holmgren will always be more valuable as a C than a PF. And can you maximize his value as a PF next to Sabonis for the next 5-7 years?
I think regardless of Sabonis, Chet is a PF at least for the beginning of his career. Same way JJJ and Mobley have been utilized.
At least for the majority of his minutes. Obviously you can slide him up and even down in specific lineups.
Nobody has a difficult time envisioning KD, Brandon Ingram, Pokusevski, or fellow draft prospects Nikola Jovic and Ousmane Dieng playing on the perimeter their entire careers.
Chet has clear perimeter skills on both sides of the ball, he just so happens to be 7′ tall with incredible interior skills as well. It doesn’t make him a center, it makes him a unicorn.
He might be close to a healthier Porzinges at best and that would be pretty good. i’ve seen no signs he’s tougher than Porzinges and Porzinges has much better hands. Holmgren’s performance against better competition reconfirmed in the NCAA tournament should be concerning to anyone considering drafting him. Even though I watched all but a few of Gonzaga’s games, I would defer to the advanced scouts who have been measuring this guy in so many different ways none of us can even imagine. I personally see a red flag here.
Agreed, if Holmgren is still around at four, you have to take him.
Me too (as small forward, I like him a lot better). I was wrong (and misled) to think of him as a big. He’s not, never will be.
If he is a small forward and chasing around wings on the perimeter (which i am dubious of) then you are negating one of his biggest attributes which is rim protection.
Chet’s more of a PF than a C or a SF.
Us Kangz Fanz are just wounded…so we have issues causing us to lack rationality. Ok I shouldn’t speak for everyone that’s just my excuse
Chet holmgren at one. If you could draft a two or three inch taller Andrei kirilenko, wouldn’t you?
Now there is a name I haven’t seen him compared to.
I saw Nathaniel Miller on Twitter make that comp today actually.
If I could get chet this year and wembanyama next year, I’d be a happy kings fan.
I’ve been saying that for months. Just the way he moves for blocks and makes the hockey type passes for assists had me thinking early Utah Jazz ak. They both have that same frame too, but ak certainly filled out over time.
Because of the lack of a consensus true #1 at the top, the GM that gets 1 at the top that turns out to be a true star will look like a genius. There may be multiple picks that turn into stars and many happy fans and many GM’s that look good.
Kings have just as good a chance as the rest to snag a future All-Star.
Woe be to the GM whose top 3 pick does not pan out.
Jabari Smith Jr………………
p.s. looking back at 2021 Kings Herald Community Draft Board , Giddey had a huge jump, from 16 to actual 6………………
I wonder who gonna make a huge jump in 2022 actual draft…(Dyson Daniel?)
I’ll be the first to admit I was totally wrong about giddey. I didn’t give him enough credit for his basketball iq and deducted too much based off his measurables.
I can totally see Daniels jumping up boards for having grown an extra inch over the year and having a longer wing span than scouts expected.
It sounds like Daniels will probably be a top 10 pick & I could see him being my 7th or 8th favorite prospect (though that’s low enough that I’ll be upset if the Kings draft him).
Voted Jabari because Keegan wasn’t available. Keegan needs to be added to this list. The numbers back up the eye test and I think Keegan can complement Sabonis.
If Banchero falls, let him keep falling.
Here is my take – if we like one guy out of what’s left, take him. If we like a lot of guys and it’s pretty close, trade down.
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