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Kings 115, Hornets 108: Davion Mitchell’s heroics seal comeback win

It's all treats for the Kings on Halloween as they mounted a big comeback to win on the road in Charlotte.
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NBA: Sacramento Kings at Charlotte Hornets

Oct 31, 2022; Charlotte, North Carolina, USA; Sacramento Kings guard Davion Mitchell (15) drives in and scores during the first half against the Charlotte Hornets at the Spectrum Center. Mandatory Credit: Sam Sharpe-USA TODAY Sports

The Sacramento Kings went into Charlotte and took the Hornets candy on Halloween.  After trailing the Hornets by 15 at halftime and losing star De’Aaron Fox to injury, the Kings responded with one of their best halfs of the season to come back and steal the win on the road.

It was a rough start for the Kings as they looked out of sorts from the get go.  They missed their first seven field goal attempts, and didn’t actually score their first basket until the 7:34 mark. Even that basket didn’t actually see the ball make it through the hoop as it was a defensive goaltending call.

The Kings wounds were also self-inflicted, as they continued to be careless with the basketball, turning the ball over 19 times during the game.  Several of those turnovers came on fastbreak opportunities where Sacramento should have been able to score.  Thankfully, the Hornets were even more careless with the ball, losing it 21 times. Both teams ended up scoring 25 points off the others turnovers.

Early in the second quarter, De’Aaron Fox attempted to take a charge and ended up bumping knees with the much larger Nick Richards. Fox left the game for a while but did come back in for a short stint. However, he quickly left after giving the knee a try and went to the team locker room for treatment. It was announced after halftime that Fox would be out the rest of the game with a bone bruise.

Sacramento actually started to heat up towards the end of the first half, cutting the lead to just four with 3:17 left after Kevin Huerter made a three.  Then Sacramento had an absolutely brutal stretch where the Hornets outscored the Kings 15-4 over those final few minutes and entered halftime with a 15 point lead.  The Hornets had scored 34 points in the first quarter and 33 in the second and the Kings looked lost.

The Kings came into tonight’s game with one of the worst third quarter net ratings in the league and now were missing their best player.  Thankfully, they responded with their best quarter of the entire season. Davion Mitchell got things started, but it was a complete team effort as the Kings went on a 14-5 run in the first 5 minutes to get right back in the game. They kept chipping away at Charlotte’s lead and pressuring them on both ends.  Matthew Dellavedova made his first real appearance of the season as the Kings needed another guard in Fox’s absence, and he made the most of his minutes.  Dellavedova found Kevin Huerter for a three to cut the lead to one and then shortly after he himself hit a three to give the Kings their first lead of the game.

The Kings kept on coming after that bucket, extending the lead to nine points before Charlotte was able to respond.

The fourth quarter was a much tighter affair.  P.J. Washington and Kelly Oubre got going a little bit and regained the lead for the Hornets at 100-96.  The Kings would tie the game at 100 on a Kevin Huerter three, and then take the lead back on another Huerter three the following possession. Huerter has been on fire to start the season for Sacramento and tonight was no different. After hitting seven threes against Miami, he scored a team-high 26 points on 5 of 10 from beyond the arc tonight.

But tonight’s game ball belongs to none other than Davion Mitchell.  After Domantas Sabonis fouled out with 2:24 left in the game, Coach Mike Brown went small.  Charlotte tied the game at 108 with 1:39 left off a Jalen McDaniels three pointer.  Davion Mitchell found himself guarded on the perimeter by Mason Plumlee and pulled up to hit a huge three of his own.  It was his fifth triple of the night, and none was bigger. After struggling over the first five gams of the season, Mitchell stepped up in a big way tonight, scoring 23 points on 9-11 shooting (5-6 from three) to go with 4 rebounds and 3 assists.

Mitchell’s heroics wouldn’t stop there.  One possession later, he lost the ball (one of his few flaws tonight, as he accumulated five turnovers) but hustled back and poked the ball out of Plumlee’s hands.  On the other end of the court, he once again found himself guarded by Plumlee and this time rose up from the elbow to give the Kings a five point lead with 24.2 seconds left.

Then the Kings managed to do something that I don’t think I’ve seen them do in the last decade in a clutch situation. After the Hornets came out of the timeout, Trey Lyles was jumping around like a madman to prevent and inbounds pass and each King stuck to their guy like glue. The Hornets failed to inbound the ball in five seconds and Sacramento got the ball back and iced the game at the line. It was a gutsy win after a truly atrocious start.

A loss tonight would have really stung (no pun intended, ok, maybe a little intended) as Charlotte was without both LaMelo Ball and Terry Rozier. These are the type of games the Kings need to win and they were able to dig deep and find a way to get back into the game and close it out despite some adversity.  Now it’s time to head to Miami for a rematch with the Heat and see if they can’t do it again.  Happy Halloween everyone!

Random Observations

  • Trey Lyles deserves a hat tip of his own here. In both of Sacramento’s wins, Lyles has come off the bench and had some absolutely clutch plays on both ends of the court.  Tonight he had a couple of incredibly timely blocks and his lone three couldn’t have come at a better time.  He’s just a solid basketball player who does a little bit of everything and has been the best bench big for the Kings so far this season.
  • Keegan Murray had his first rough shooting night, going just 5-15 and 2-7 from the field, but what I absolutely love about him is he didn’t hesitate to take a big shot down the stretch even though he’d been struggling.  He hit a huge three with 4:28 left in the game to push the Kings lead to six.
  • Matthew Dellavedova gave the Kings exactly what they needed: a veteran presence who busted his ass off. In his 8 minutes, the Kings were a +10 and they only won the game by seven.  He was a pest on defense, hit a huge three, and made plays for others (3 assists).  Delly isn’t going to play every night, but you know you’re going to get maximum effort when he does.
  • P.J. Washington is a certified Kings killer.  Washington scored 28 points to lead the game in scoring. He now averages 25.8 points a game against us over his career.  The next highest points against a team for him is 15.8 against Portland. He loves playing Sacramento.
  • Domantas Sabonis is having a really rough time with foul trouble this season, fouling out for the second time in as many games. He still managed to be very productive even though his shot wasn’t falling, putting up 9 points, 16 rebounds and 7 assists.  It’s frustrating to watch Sabonis not get away with some things that other big men do, but the Kings need to find a way to keep Sabonis from being in foul trouble so often when he’s such a big part of the offense.
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October 31, 2022 7:25 pm

Maybe they needed a little adversity (loss of Fox) to get them focused. Hopefully the season is really turning around.

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October 31, 2022 7:26 pm

That’s 2 in a row! and…

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November 1, 2022 9:00 am
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October 31, 2022 7:30 pm

That first half was frightful, but now it’s time to dance!

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October 31, 2022 7:56 pm
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Two very different halves to this game.

It’s like we did an about-face.

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October 31, 2022 8:43 pm
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I’m so curious to watch The Exorcist but I’m also a wimp when it comes to horror films and I feel if I watch it I will be scarred for a long time, lol.

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October 31, 2022 8:50 pm
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If you’re not Catholic maybe it won’t be as scary (I was raised Catholic), and it’s also a 49-year old film,

(…so all of the horror/scary movies you’ve seen since have built upon it…just like if you compare NBA greatness from decades ago to NBA talent today. You might not think it’s scary by today’s standards, and might have to consider what it was like to see it back in the early 70’s)

I say go for it!

Watch it alone. After midnight. With all of the lights out. With the air-conditioner turned so far up that it’s freezing in your room.

PLEASE WATCH THE NON-EXTENDED CUT–the original theatrical release…the only thing you’re missing out on in the new added scenes is one good shot that’s not really that important, and some extra dialogue. There are some “subliminal” shots that were added that totally take me out of the film and make it cheesy. So avoid that one, if you ask me.

I think on Amazon Prime there are two versions you can choose from.

I frickin’ love the Exorcist. One of my favorite movies. I actually read the book last week!

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October 31, 2022 9:08 pm
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I can still remember how restless the theater audience was throughout that movie. I think I still have marks on my arm where my wife dug her nails into my flesh as Regan’s bed began to shake and Regan floated up!

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October 31, 2022 9:15 pm
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Spoilers! 🙂

Oh man, Jman, I was too young to see it when it first came out. But I did get to see the 2000 re-release with new footage in theaters. I envy you and your flesh getting dug into. Sounds like the best movie-going experience. Sincerely.

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October 31, 2022 9:34 pm
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Jman’s secret to a long marriage:

Be willing to give up the use of your arm for an extended period of time because “She got scared”!

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October 31, 2022 9:50 pm
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I wonder if they sell those arm armor’s on Ebay…you know, the things guys who train falcons wear?

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October 31, 2022 10:18 pm
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I was in the second grade during the original and my parents took us to the drive in and figured my brother and I would be asleep. Well I saw enough of it to never wanna go out and play hide and go seek again with my friends at night for several years, and I believe it’s why I don’t like Horror films today

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November 1, 2022 10:18 am
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It was on tv in the late 70s, I saw it too young and it gave me nightmares for years.

The Shining is a better horror film but it won’t crush you like The Exorcist.

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November 1, 2022 10:25 am
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That is a good take Marty.

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October 31, 2022 9:04 pm
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Let’s Dance Monster Mash Style
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Win Good!

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November 1, 2022 8:53 am
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Maybe we need to keep seeing this movie…

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October 31, 2022 7:38 pm
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No WONDER Fox got a bone bruise.

Frickin’ skeletons out there, everywhere, on halloween night.

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November 1, 2022 6:12 am
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October 31, 2022 7:31 pm

Shoutout to coach Brown for pulling all the right levers tonight with Delly, Lyles, etc. I don’t think we would have won this one without him.

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October 31, 2022 7:37 pm

P.J. Washington is a certified Kings killer … He loves playing Sacramento.

P.J. Washington obviously takes offense at other capitals.

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October 31, 2022 7:51 pm
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“It must be nice…it must be nice to have Washington on your side!”

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October 31, 2022 7:55 pm
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They should name him Shootingaton

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October 31, 2022 8:38 pm
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When you hit most of them, you should be shootingaton.

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October 31, 2022 8:42 pm
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True, true.

(21 shots isn’t really a ton, anyway)

Ok, I guess we can just call him Washington.

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October 31, 2022 9:09 pm
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by George, he’s no wizard – and wouldn’t mind him wearing some purple and black

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October 31, 2022 7:46 pm

Nice recap. This was the most fun game to watch so far this season. Coming back from 15 down without Fox? And closing it out without Sabonis? And seeing Davion break a five-game slump? All without big games from Keegan, Monk, Fox, or Sabonis? On the road?

Beautiful.

My favorite play was when Davion poked the ball away from Plumlee from behind. In my opinion, Davion had an even better game than his 23-point game with three steals showed. He was clutch, and then he was clutch again.

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October 31, 2022 7:50 pm
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October 31, 2022 9:09 pm
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Where are the folks who said we should bench Davion?

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October 31, 2022 9:20 pm
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Maybe it’s their off night.

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October 31, 2022 9:41 pm
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Seem to be alot of those around here tonight.

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October 31, 2022 10:35 pm
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I was one because he was unplayable until tonight, but this is the game I was waiting for. This was the Davion of last year.

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November 1, 2022 4:58 am
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What do you think was the difference tonight? Attitude? Minutes/role?, etc

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November 1, 2022 7:23 am
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Maybe the start of a new culture.

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November 1, 2022 7:21 am
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Some observations and an apology. First the apology to Davion. I was to hasty in judging you and at one time wan’t to trade you. Old coaches do make mistakes. As in the movie “Seabiscuit” I needed to eat some humble pie.
A lot of you did not want to trade for Sabonis but in reality we got to good players for one. Don’t forget Trey Lyles. He didn’t score that many but did other things that helped with the outcome of the game. One 3 late in the game, a couple of great blocks and one of my favorite plays of the game. A behind the back pass to Davion for a layup. We got two for one. Good Trade.
Last year we would have folded in the third and lost by 30. That didn’t happen. Last year in the fourth when it was a close game we also found a way to lose. So far that has not been the case.
When it was crunch time the bench came came through. Mitchell, Lyles, Delly even Monk. What a great pass to Huerter under the basket. If we cut down on our turnovers it would have been almost a blowout.
Lastly a couple of coaches need to take Domas out behind the woodshed and if needed with a two-by-four and explain that he cant’t still be making those silly fouls. He isn’t helping us when he is sitting on the bench.

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November 1, 2022 10:28 am
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can you tell how playable he is if he doesn’t play?😜

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November 1, 2022 4:13 am
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One of the best and most impactful plays of the game was Davion locking up Gordon Braveheart Hayward, causing him to lose the handle on the ball as he fell to the ground and Davion doing a belly flop over Gordon, then instantly passing the ball to a Kings player. Fairly incredible D when one watches the tape (oops).

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November 1, 2022 10:26 am
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“Braveheart”

Well done JP.

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October 31, 2022 7:58 pm
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Lyles’ block on Washington’s attempted layup with about a minute left was also huge! Lyles was the only King able to slow Washington down all night long.

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October 31, 2022 8:02 pm
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Lyles was the only King able to slow Washington…

They should rename him the “Legislative Process”

Or “VETO”

Lyles’ block on Washington’s attempted…

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November 1, 2022 3:56 am
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Reconciliation.

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November 1, 2022 12:54 pm
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Just call him Gridlock, but only against Charlotte.

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October 31, 2022 7:58 pm

Didn’t catch this one as we were out getting candy with the kids. Great recap, glad to see the bench perform well. On to the next one.

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October 31, 2022 8:06 pm

Loved the FT portion of the box. Usually it looks the other way around!

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November 1, 2022 7:29 am
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Yeah! Barnes 8 for 8. A couple in crunch time. He got those for driving to the basket. Most of the time we would drive to the basket then kick it out. Some of those kickouts turned into turnovers. I would like to see some of those continue the drive and either make the basket or get fouled. Takes some guts and hard play just like Barnes did.

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October 31, 2022 8:37 pm

So 2 games now I have failed to watch, and it’s both wins.

Time to throw away my TV.

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October 31, 2022 8:43 pm

You da real MVP!
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October 31, 2022 8:52 pm

KANGZ!

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October 31, 2022 9:21 pm

Lyles earning his way to 6th man and Huerter earning his way to #2 option. I would have never guessed but Huerter is playing like a borderline all-star (small sample size). If the bench can use this game as inspiration, the Kings may be able to compete.

Let’s hope Fox isn’t out for any extended time.

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November 1, 2022 10:22 am
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Please James Ham(mer), don’t Huerter ’em?

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October 31, 2022 9:40 pm

Thoughts about tonight.

First, defense was important. The Kings had a 116 DRtg coming into tonight, they ended it with a 114.3 DRtg. It’s 6 games in, yeah yeah yeah, and mood swings are common with early season stats. More importantly they had a 105.9 DRtg posted against a team that had posted a 113 ORtg without Ball for any of those games and without Rozier for most of them. Also, the Kings gave up 67 points in the 1st half of the 108 total in the game. The 1st half DRtg: 124.1 The 2nd half DRtg: 85.4. Obviously sample sizes distort that and for the game overall the Kings had a 105.9 DRtg. Assuming you were able to do that over the course of the season, that would place the Kings 4th in the NBA in DRtg.

But, sample size is everything, and we haven’t seen this team defend in large enough sample sizes. The point here is that despite the protests to the contrary, the lack of rim protection and using Sabonis as a defensive anchor (which is a problem), among other things, the daunting truth is this team always had these issues. All the known issues that have long been known are coming up. And the Kings are still finding ways to win when things aren’t heading in their favor.

The Kings won this game largely on 2 factors: They scored 3 more 3FG than the Hornets did, and got 16 more points at the line than the Hornets. Put another way, the Kings scored 40 points on 2’s, 51 points on 3’s, and 24 points at the FT line. The Hornets scored 58 points on 2’s, 42 points on 3’s and 8 points at the FT line.

Having said that, I think we’ll see the Kings win this way more often than not. They’ll give up the 2’s in trade-off for the FT’s and 3’s battle.

Davion Mitchell was of course huge. He started the night with a 40.3 TS%, and ended the night with a 58.7 TS%. Just as important, he had a 104.9 ORtg and 113.9 DRtg to begin the night. He finished with a 107.4 ORtg and 112.1 DRtg. I’m a big fan of Davion, and I think he’s going to have a good season by the time it’s all said and done. You don’t expect a guy to be hyper efficient every night, but Davion’s brilliant offensive output was needed if for no other reason to show himself what that looks like.

54 paint points for Charlotte to Sacramento’s 34. Points off turnovers: 25 apiece for each team after a major disparity at half favoring Charlotte.

Huerter had a great shooting game (5-10 from 3, 5-5 line for 26 points), Sabonis was great on the boards (16 total, 12 defensive) and had 7 assists to 3 TOV’s, Barnes had 9 total boards (7 defensive) and got to the line 8 times. Those are 3 quality lines from 3 of your veterans where you only had De’Aaron Fox for 9 total minutes and he wasn’t especially fabulous in those 9 minutes either despite the made shots.

Trey Lyles is proving to be valuable in that hustle, occasionally hitting the 3, and just being smart way. I wasn’t sure what his role should be, but I’m definitely happy with what’s he’s been able to do up to this point.

Overall, a good win considering you missed Fox most of the game, Sabonis fouled out due to questionable calls (again), great defense particurarly forcing TOV’s in the 2nd half and just sticking with it generally speaking. A professional win led by the players who were, as shocking as this might be to some, are professionals with NBA experience.

The kids just might be alright.

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October 31, 2022 10:16 pm
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Small sample size and all, but with that post Guru raised his WPC-rating to 4823 words per comment, first on TKH.

I’m lost for words.

Nice win. Go Kings!

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October 31, 2022 11:15 pm
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Copy and pasted the entire internet!

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October 31, 2022 10:38 pm
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Second’d for Davion’s and Lyles’ play. The Kings don’t win without their play tonight. I’m so happy to see Davion break out of his slump.

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October 31, 2022 11:03 pm
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And don’t forget to put some of that good bench cheese on the Delly counter!

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October 31, 2022 11:46 pm

I forgot about Delly. He was important, and far more impactful than I thought he could be.

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November 1, 2022 8:01 am
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And such simple basketball, watching the offense use the entire shot clock to find the open guy. Smart, but something we haven’t seen in so long.

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October 31, 2022 11:13 pm

Much needed win, if only to begin to establish that they can beat the teams they’re supposed to

  • Kevin Huerter has been a revelation— the entire 3 point arc is his playground, and he’s have a grand old time in it. He’s got a Klay Thompson-esque impact on the offensive end with his ability to score at 3 levels, and while he’s not the best individual defender he’s a very good team defender. He’s a perfect complement to both Fox and Sabonis, and a feather in McNair’s cap
  • Kings defense is starting to take shape — it’s a bend, not break defense. They win through the little things: getting deflections, smart switches, contesting the majority of shots. This will help the team win the games they should win, and keep them in games with better teams.
  • If Mitchell can shoot half as well on a nightly basis, he’d command starters minutes. I love to see him attack and look to score on offense — he made the most mistakes trying to be a playmaker tonight (0 ast, 5 TO’s). I think he’s probably more of a 2 guard on offense, and would be well suited to leave playmaking to Monk, Fox, and Sabonis.
  • We’ve yet to see a lineup of Sabonis, Murray, Huerter, Mitchell, and Fox, but that could be the team’s best lineup with its frontcourt length, defensive versatility, ball handling, shooting, and speed
  • Tonight the depth really showed its value on both ends of the court. With the Hornets starters looking very tired late game, the Kings were able to lean on quality good contributions from their 7th and 8th guys in the rotation
  • Trey Lyles at backup center might be a solution to the rotation. That outside shot really compromised opposing defenses, he had decent length and not terrible defense, and he fights hard for good positioning on rebounds. I would say he doesn’t seem like he has the best instincts, and the late game offense looked confused — Lyles wasn’t doing the high screen Spain action that the center usually does to initiate the Kings offense, which made me think he doesn’t know the position. Curious to see if it works against better teams
  • Every game Keegan Murray gives me something to get excited about, and tonight it’s that he’s a smart and sneaky shot blocker. he’s gotten several over the back of the defender and tonight he had a nice one in transition defense.
  • The defensive rebounding still needs work. Part of it is a credit to their work getting the stop resulting in a lot of long jump shots for the opponent, but those long rebounds need to be corralled
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November 1, 2022 7:23 am
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Huerter absolutely deserves some love in this thread! Dude is so freaking clutch. He needs about half a second to get off a shot from 4 feet behind the arc, and its almost like Curry, where you just believe its going in. Also good playmaking and defense. Big win for Monte

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November 1, 2022 8:36 am
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Agree with a lineup of Fox, Mitchell, Huerter, Murray, Sabonis could be most effective . Best players on the floor and with Barnes, Lyles, Monk key reserves .

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November 1, 2022 8:58 am
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I agree on a lot of those points. Huerter does seem like he’s got a Klay Tommpson-esque feel to him. Also the pairing of Fox with Mitchell, would like to see some of that, instead of Monk. And of course more Lyles.

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November 1, 2022 12:45 am

I feel like Sabonis really needs to be paired with a defensive C next to him. Teams seem to know to throw their big men at him in the post and he’s constantly getting into foul trouble trying to anchor the middle. I feel like it’s costing him efficiency on offense too, where he’s his most valuable for us.

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November 1, 2022 9:27 am
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Agreed. That’s going to be a continuing issue going forward if Sabonis is the one required to anchor the defense. I’m beginning to think he is more of an old school forward (CWebb) than he is a new wave center (Jokic). I think he needs someone to handle the defensive load for him in the paint.

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November 1, 2022 11:01 am
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Gotta say I vehemently disagree with this position. Sabonis is a pretty good defensive center! He’s posting a career high DBPM at the moment. He isn’t an elite shotblocker, but he contests shots quite well.

He also finishes defensive possessions with rebounds, and creates new chances on the offensive glass. If we didn’t have Sabonis, we’d probably miss out on 3-5 second possessions per game on the offensive end, and give up an extra 3-5 possessions to the opposition on the defensive end. That’s quite a significant swing in total possessions created by a single player, and no doubt contributes to winning basketball!

This is why he has posted a positive +/- rating in every game except the loss to the Warriors. Simply put, this is a winning team with Sabonis at the 5 spot, and all the defensive concerns that don’t acknowledge this point are missing the forest for the trees. Yeah, I can throw Queta in there and get 2 more blocks per game, but who cares if we don’t win at the end of it?

The Pacers tried this experiment with Myles Turner and it didn’t work. Sabonis’ value is as an offensive hub in the center of the offense, and his defense is not so bad as to nullify it. Moreover, his poor shooting and lack of lateral quickness would make him an even greater liability on both ends of the floor as a PF. It is simply a terrible fit that would not optimize the skillset of this roster.

The foul trouble is a concern, but frankly, a lot of these calls have been nonsensical. I expect the Kings will send clips to the NBA and advocate for some more leniency as the season moves forward. If the fates allow, a weakside rim-protector that can step out to 3 like Jonathan Isaac, Chet Holmgren, etc. would be a huge boon for Domas as a frontcourt partner. But for right now, I really like what I see out of this team with him as our anchor.

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November 1, 2022 11:40 am
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Solid points, and I hope you are right on the foul calls, but it’s not looking good so far. When Mason Plumlee can get you in foul trouble and attack you relentlessly, it won’t matter how good Sabonis is on the offensive end if he can’t give you 30 minutes a game because of fouls.

I agree 100% with you on with Sabonis being a hub of the offense, I just have concerns on the defensive end. For all the SSS glory of his DBPM, his OBPM is at a career low of -0.2. I think both of those stats are quite a bit misleading at the moment, but that also has to do with those damn fouls. If the trend continues its’ gonna be a problem when Sabonis faces offensive minded bigs like Embiid, Jokic, Vuc, KAT, etc. If he can’t slow down Plumlee, how is going to handle those guys?

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November 1, 2022 11:54 am
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TBF Embiid, Jokic, and KAT tend to be problems regardless who is defending them.

Sabonis is currently leading the team with a 58% opponent FG% within 5 feet. That puts him in line with the top 6-7 teams in the league at the same category. Len is at 66%, Holmes is at 74.1% (good grief).

I’m not making the case that Sabonis is a DPOY candidate or anything, I just think there is a lot more to defense than simply blocking shots (especially when you consider that blocks don’t equal the end of a defensive possession, but rebounds do!).

It isn’t sexy or stylish, but he makes players miss and then secures the board once they do. That’s plenty enough for me when considering what he does on the other end.

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November 1, 2022 12:39 pm
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I was having this conversation with Jill Adge a bit on Twitter last night. I think building around Sabonis is complicated, and it’s even more complicated when you factor in Murray as a potential building block. (This was a discussion about whether or not PJ Washington was worth acquiring.)

IMO, however you go about building around Sabonis, you’re going to have find players who do a lot of things like shoot the 3 and do rim protection. And it’s really hard to get next to a guy like Sabonis who needs specific things to build around them.

I’m curious to see who the Kings get here, and who they might be targeting perhaps even more so. There’s going to be a lot of opinions on the best way to optimize Sabonis, but IMO you’re going to make some trade-offs on one end or the other. I think with this team, that’ll be on the defensive end and the hope you can find a 3/4 or even 4/3 to pair with Murray and next to Sabonis that offers some rim protection, shooting, etc etc. But it’s a tough thing to find and that’s always been the challenge with Sabonis.

Indy didn’t struggle on defense with Sabonis, they struggled offensively. The only year they were better than average in ORtg as a team was his first year in Indy when he was 8th in total minutes on the roster. And Domas was in his 2nd season that year as well.

Mind you, I think the challenge of building around Domas is worth undertaking for Sac. But it is a challenge and I think people need to understand that is a complex combination of scheme, talent and approach that will ultimately solve it.

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November 1, 2022 1:28 pm
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At he trade dead line last Feb. I wanted to trade for Washington. He would have solved a lot of these problems. I like Jonathan Issac but he is hurt so many times it’s hard to figure him in. Just an idea if possible could we trade for Bobby Portis. He to would solve some of our problems?And again there is Simmons. Also on the low side there is Chuma Okeke.

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November 1, 2022 1:18 pm
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That is why we need to find a good wood shed and buy a solid 2 by 4.

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November 1, 2022 9:33 am
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Do we need Holmes or Len playing the traditional C with Sabonis as a PF?

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November 1, 2022 1:31 pm
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Maybe Holmes if he was his old self. If you watched Len last night he was nailed yo the floor.

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November 1, 2022 10:38 am
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That’s why I suggested Queta at center and Sabonis at PF. Others replied not enough shooting (although Queta has hit threes, more than Sabonis, I believe). I think others also believe Queta is not ready. I suppose that, seeing everyone in practice, Brown thinks Len offers more than Queta.

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November 1, 2022 1:09 am

Now we just have to find a fifth starter

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November 1, 2022 5:15 am

looking at the box score coach did a good job with the rotation tonight and the distribution of minutes. He had the right guys out there the last 5 minutes. Davion needs to score like this every game, it will help a lot as we only have a couple of somewhat reliable players of the bench

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November 1, 2022 6:54 am

One observation from last nights game. The Kings were able to close a game which rarely happens. The primary reason IMO is because the ball wasn’t stuck in Fox’s hand while 4 teammates stand around and do little. So often when it gets down to crunch time the Kings abandon their offense and resort to isolation basketball. With Fox out of the lineup, the Kings seemed to move the ball much better down the stretch.

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November 1, 2022 8:34 am
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agreed.

Less iso ball from the team without Fox….

And I think Delly should be rewarded with more minutes…as he can facilate the offense..know where other teammates are…and he knows how to defend….

He is a cruical part for that 5 sec violation from Hornets……

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November 1, 2022 12:59 pm
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This is what I came looking for: The “we’d be better off without Fox” take.

So reliable, like a Swiss watch.

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November 1, 2022 4:30 pm
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Mitchell was doing a ton of iso last night late game, and turned the ball over twice in crunch time.

Fox doesn’t ISO nearly as much as you’re implying — more often he uses the team’s standard actions (screens, curls, DHO’s) late in the game. I’d actually prefer to see more iso from him personally. And some pick n roll!!

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November 1, 2022 7:54 am

Not sure what to do about Sabonis and the fouls? This is going to be an ongoing problem. Does someone more knowledgeable than me know how they played Turner/Sabonis together in IND? Does Brown need to start putting Holmes or Len out there with him just to eat up fouls?

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November 1, 2022 9:29 am
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It’s weird, right? I feel like Sabonis needs a 3 and D center next to him to be most successful, which is exactly what Myles Turner was. Was the issue in Indy them playing next to each other or was it the supporting cast?

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November 1, 2022 9:52 am
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Like, if Sabonis hadn’t played with Myles Turner, and Monte traded for Myles Turner, I’d be like, “Perfect!!!” Don’t get it…

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November 1, 2022 9:52 am
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Health of Turner was an issue, and there were stories that he demanded a bigger role, but I don’t know if there’s truth to that.

The possibility that the Pacers may have sold Sabonis high with the knowledge that he is difficult to fit into a modern NBA defense (and to a certain extent, offense) scares me a little bit.

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November 1, 2022 10:42 am
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He feels like a better Julius Randle to me, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but Randle needs a defensive center with him to be effective.

I do think Sabonis would be better suited in a PF role with a 3/D center anchoring the defense. Someone like a Brook Lopez or Al Horford. I wonder if someone like Zach Collins or Mo Bamba could be had for cheap.

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November 1, 2022 11:21 am
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Randle has foot speed, Sabonis doesn’t. Plumlee drew 2 fouls on Sabonis just by taking him off the dribble. Playing Sabonis at PF is going to exacerbate the foot speed problem.

What they need is a defender at the point of attack. This is what the KZ Okpala experiment all about. Except Okpala is complete zero on offense.

Well clear out their cap space and offer 30M/year to Jerami Grant.

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November 1, 2022 1:37 pm
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Mitchell is good at the point of attach. Play Fox at the 2 and Huerter at the 3.

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November 1, 2022 3:04 pm
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Prefer to put 2 lengthy forwards around Sabonis. Besides, Mitchell has to be much more consistent catch and shoot player to be able to start. Let’s see how much he improves over the course of the season.

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November 1, 2022 1:35 pm
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I like those two.

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November 1, 2022 3:03 pm
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That’s exactly what happened, we shouted it from the rooftops. Memphis has several players that made this painfully obvious last week.

The possibility that the Pacers may have sold Sabonis high with the knowledge that he is difficult to fit into a modern NBA defense (and to a certain extent, offense) scares me a little bit.

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November 1, 2022 1:01 pm
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I’d tell him if he’s going to keep reaching, then make them count. Bring those arms down hard so opponents know that those free throws aren’t free. It’s the soft fouls that irritate me the most. If he’s to be targeted by the refs, may as well get his money’s worth.

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November 1, 2022 1:40 pm
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Most of his fouls are because his fundamentals aren’t right. TThis can easily be fixed or go behind the wood shed with a 2 by 4.

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November 1, 2022 12:12 pm

It’s a big win: on the road, with your star out after 9 minutes. Should be a confidence builder, indicative that the team’s 0-4 start was partially because of the difficult schedule.

Most importantly, it is obvious that Brown has the confidence of the players and they want to execute for him. Haven’t seen that here for a long time.

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