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Suns 116, Kings 100: Undefeated no more

Phoenix got their revenge against Sacramento as Tyrese Haliburton impressed again.
By | 142 Comments | Dec 27, 2020

The Sacramento Kings are not going 72-0. After two straight wins against teams likely headed to the playoffs, Sacramento fell flat despite a strong first quarter. De’Aaron Fox and Marvin Bagley dealt with foul issues late in the third quarter as Phoenix utilized their absences, especially Fox, to take a 20-point lead. The Suns didn’t glance back, ending Sacramento’s two-game winning streak.

Game Recap

The first quarter saw an active Marvin Bagley fill up the points and rebounds on the stat sheet. He racked up six points and four rebounds in a handful of minutes. The rookie Tyrese Haliburton was doing it all on both ends, too, making the right reads seamlessly, setting up both him and his teammates for good looks. There was an instance when Haliburton received a skip pass on the wing from Buddy Hield, but he opted for the extra bounce pass to Cory Joseph in the corner who drilled the three. It’s already evergreen to say this: The Kings are extremely fortunate Haliburton fell to 12. Sacramento moved the ball on offense and was switching relentlessly on defense, getting out to a 33-28 lead after one.

In the second quarter, Phoenix started to knock down their shots. Cam Johnson, known for his lethal shooting, made both of his threes en route to 11 first-half points, leading Phoenix in scoring. The Kings held Devin Booker and Chris Paul to a total of 11 points, but both players combined for 12 assists. They both involved themselves in other ways when Sacramento blitzed them and forced other Suns to do the damage. De’Aaron Fox stayed quiet for much of the first half, but made some plays late in the quarter to propel himself to nine points and three assists at the half. The ball stopped moving as much for Sacramento in the quarter, as Phoenix outscored them 28-20 to take a narrow 56-53 lead.

It got ugly in the third for Sacramento. Fox and Bagley each picked up four fouls, with Fox picking up his fifth in the final seconds of the quarter. The offense had little creativity on the court without those two, as Cory Joseph and Buddy Hield each had their flaws exposed on that end; CoJo bricked a mid-range jumper, and Hield turned it over on an iso. Booker started to get going for Phoenix, ending the quarter with 16 points, five rebounds, five assists, one steal and a block. Phoenix outscored Sacramento 34-25 in those 12 minutes to take a 90-78 lead heading into the fourth.

When Frank Kaminsky is hitting threes and driving to the rim for buckets, you’re probably in an unfavorable situation. Sacramento continued to fall behind because of turnovers and missed shots, and Phoenix did not hesitate to capitalize on those errors. Luke Walton eventually emptied the bench, and Kyle Guy, Robert Woodard and Jahmi’us Ramsey all got on the score sheet. For the latter two, the Kings hope it’s the first of many going forward. Phoenix held onto their sturdy lead to win 116-100. Both teams are now 2-1.

Takeaways

This game highlighted an issue I was worried about in the offseason: The Kings lack offensive creativity alongside De’Aaron Fox to survive his bench minutes. Haliburton continues to look awfully good for his age, but he won’t be that catalyst just yet. Both Hield and Joseph had their flaws exposed as initiators. Fox finished with 12 points (4-12 FG, 0-2 3P), four assists, five turnovers and five fouls in 27 minutes. Compare that to the two games prior where Fox performed significantly better and you see the difference in the results.

Speaking of Haliburton, he can clock out a happy man. He finished the night with 15 points (5-7 FG, 3-4 3P), six assists, one rebound and zero turnovers in 27 minutes. He was a bright positive in a gloomy game.

Bench points were absent; Nemanja Bjelica and Glenn Robinson III combined for three points in 27 minutes. The Kings need everyone to step up when Fox can’t be in full-aggressive mode, and that area significantly struggled tonight.

Harrison Barnes continues to do the little things. It’s fair to demand more production out of him when looking at his contract, but at this stage of his career, he is who he is. Barnes ended the night with 10 points (4-6 FG, 0-1 3P) and seven rebounds.

The three-point attempts decreased dramatically. The Kings were jacking up north of 40 attempts a game in the preseason and failed to convert at a respectable rate. Tonight, they were 10-23 in that department, good for 43.5%.

Phoenix out-assisted Sacramento 34-21. The Kings moved the ball well in the first quarter when they were winning, but it’s not shocking to see how they fell apart once the ball stopped moving as much.

Next Game

The Kings will host the Denver Nuggets this Tuesday at 7:00 p.m. PST, a team they beat on opening night. Denver will be on a back-to-back as they face the Houston Rockets the day prior.

 

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December 27, 2020 8:47 pm

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December 27, 2020 8:54 pm

So, ah, 71-1?

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December 27, 2020 11:23 pm
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70-2. I think we fall one to OKC. They’re looking tough.

Keyan2016
December 27, 2020 8:54 pm

Great game recap as always. I think one correction needs to be made with Haliburton’s stats (he scored 15 points)not 12.

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December 27, 2020 9:00 pm

I know maybe it’s too soon, but it is just the same Bagley that we all known….

1) did not pass the ball to guard after he grabbed the rebound (the guard will reward you the basket afterwards)

2) begging for the ball for long…(I know there is a mis-match, and teammate would find you if you are that open)

3) cannot finish underneath the basket…(can he just dunk it ?)

For easy, just play some pick and pop / pick and roll with Bagley…which he should be the best at those shots……

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December 27, 2020 9:12 pm

If he hasn’t learned by now the value of kicking out your drive when the crowd comes. My goodness.

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December 28, 2020 5:55 am

Just further elaborate what I saw from the same Bagley….

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Bagley begging for the ball so hard..and good defense by Galloway……it would be a dangerous pass to him…..it just affected the offense set…..just let the PG run the offense would be just fine.

Also, through out 3 games he played…he recorded a total of 2 assists..
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He just handed the ball to Hali…and Hali hit the 3, then Bagley just rewarded with an assist
(But just look at his face expression, he just even not that “intended” to pass Hali the ball)

I don’t want to be too mean…but I hope he can do what he said before the season start…
(i.e. be a better facilitator…look at teammate more)

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December 28, 2020 11:36 am

Are you saying that Bagley shouldn’t call for the ball when he he finds himself isolated on a smaller player down low? If anything, he and his teammates need to get better at moving the ball and their bodies to get better passing angles to take advantage of those situations.

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December 27, 2020 9:02 pm

Just when we thought we were in for some easy sledding…

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December 27, 2020 9:02 pm

Well, at least we didn’t lose by 51.

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December 27, 2020 10:48 pm

Or to the Knicks!
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December 27, 2020 11:35 pm
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OMG, have you watched Pixar’s new movie Soul yet??

There’s a funny little joke in it relating to the Knicks. 🙂

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December 28, 2020 4:33 am
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Watched it last night, loved that bit! The movie is tremendous, as well.

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December 28, 2020 11:29 am
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Yeah, I love how the director (Pete Docter) has dealt with abstract ideas for his last two films (the other being Inside Out, which is definitely one of my favorite Pixar films).

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December 28, 2020 12:54 pm
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Hmmm, the last two movies I watched were:

Once Were Warriors
Raise The Red Lantern

I think I need some lighter fare now. Soul isn’t too heavy, is it?

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December 28, 2020 1:08 pm
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It’s an enjoyable film, and it definitely makes you think about certain things after you watch it!

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December 27, 2020 9:04 pm

fox was nice the first two games, and he’s entitled to off nights, but the off nights can’t be that abject. Consistency

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December 27, 2020 9:37 pm
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It’s what keeps him in the “good” category, instead of the great.

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December 28, 2020 4:34 am
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We should probably take a few days off from looking at ORtg, DRtg and WS/48, I’m thinking. Maybe after the next one.

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December 28, 2020 7:44 am
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December 28, 2020 7:47 am
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Last one.
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For those of y’all that could use more Monty Python in your life.

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December 28, 2020 8:05 am
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Fox’s WS/48 decrease over one game, early in the season:
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December 28, 2020 8:17 am
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December 27, 2020 9:06 pm

Raise your hand if you had the OKC Thunder as the last remaining undefeated team in the West.

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December 27, 2020 9:33 pm

Along with Cleveland in the East.

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December 28, 2020 7:56 am

lf we’re having this conversation on January 27th, then I’ll agree with the tone of this comment.

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December 27, 2020 9:19 pm

Just look at the assist numbers of the starters, and you’ll know the biggest problem with this team.

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December 27, 2020 9:19 pm

After every win: check the NBA playoff standings
After every loss: check the 2021 NBA mock draft

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December 27, 2020 9:27 pm

As Linda Blair’s character in the The Exorcist said €œMother make it stop!€ The Kings once again are possessed by last year’s demons of sloth, lassitude, indifference, and imprecision. Haliburton showed his mettle as a young prospect, several of the starters Show signs of being mismatched with their contracts.

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December 27, 2020 9:34 pm
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Mad props for your use of, “lassitude”.

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December 27, 2020 10:40 pm

This is good

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December 27, 2020 10:50 pm
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And then, after years of tough basketball winters…
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December 28, 2020 6:38 am
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Its OK, we’ve got slamsoncomment image

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December 28, 2020 7:58 am
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So that’s how chicken sammich’s get made……I always wondered!

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December 28, 2020 9:14 am
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More like chicken SLAMmich!

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December 28, 2020 9:25 am
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December 28, 2020 2:01 pm
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December 27, 2020 9:40 pm

This is the kind of gameplay I expected this season, so I can’t beat them up too much. Also, Haliburton continues to make those who passed on him look foolish!

That said, Bags is packing on assists. On pace for a career high.

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December 27, 2020 10:52 pm
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Haliburton should fill one of those vacated spots in the Young Superteam T-shirt. He’s a keeper!

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December 28, 2020 8:08 am
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This isn’t shade being thrown because it’s only a few games in to Rese’s career, and Bogi just got to Atl and it’s a 2 game sample there. But if Bogi raises these to his career norms, and Rese’s drops across the board in the area’s that are unsustainable, this is how the Kings could consider moving on. Especially with Buddy Hield still on the roster with a long contract. But if Buddy had been an RFA? That would be an interesting question and for another day.

Numbers:

Halliburton: 70.3 TS%, 11.1 USG%, AST% 25.9%, TOV% 4.6%, DRB% 3.8%, WS/48 .205

Bogdanovich: 45.5 TS%, 19.4 USG%, 9.7 AST%, TOV% 11%, DRB% 26.3%, WS/48 0.65.

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December 28, 2020 12:33 pm
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I was going to post my hot take after the game. That take is…

Haliburton > Bogdan

Obviously the above numbers are small sample size approved. For me it’s more of the eye test. Probably not there yet, but close enough that the decision to move on seems even more reasonable than it did at the time.

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December 28, 2020 12:58 pm
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Agreed. I’ve been thinking since the first I game I saw Halli that he made Bogi expendable. I’m not going to go so far as saying he’s better today, but the path to being better is clear, and quite possibly not very long.

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December 28, 2020 1:00 pm
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I think this premise is obviously a bit silly, due to sample sizes. But the choice wasn’t simply Haliburton vs. Bodganovic. We could have had both.

The real question is, was Bogdanovic worth keeping as an asset? Way too early to say McNair is correct about this one.

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December 28, 2020 1:17 pm
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The real question is, was Bogdanovic worth keeping as an asset? Way too early to say McNair is correct about this one.

No the issue is whether or not could you trade Bogdanovich or Hield or Barnes of something resembling tangible value. Especially since you’re near the tax line this season to do so meaning doing a trade by next off-season is a necessity because you aren’t paying the tax for this team.

I think Bogi will be good in Atlanta, but not great, like he was in Sacramento. He’s a jack of all trades master of none with versatility to play in a lot of combo’s. That’s a difficult player to find, but not impossible.

I look at what happened with Allen Crabbe and Otto Porter after Portland and Washington matched. Even if Bogi continued his career arc, I don’t think that was worth the cost of matching and trying to find value that would have equaled at least Donte DiVincenzo.

Like I’ve said here, it was a tough call to do the non match, but ultimately the right call. Bogi’s reputation around, say, NBA Twitter is very good, but much of that has do with his FIBA and Fenerbahce performance. I don’t think a lot of those same people saw what Bogi did in Sac that often, and the reputation of FIBA/Fenerbahce Bogi doesn’t match what Bogi actually did in Sac.

It’s certainly a loss in the asset management ledger, and that loss is squarely on Vlade Divac and that FO. And so it goes.

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December 28, 2020 2:07 pm
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The real question is, was Bogdanovic worth keeping as an asset?



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December 28, 2020 2:14 pm
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Since you’re struggling to understand the full version, I’ll give you TL;DR version since you clearly can only get by on using only cliff notes.

If the Kings matched on Bogi, could they have gotten a player in trade at least as good as Donte DiVincenzo by next offseason?

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December 28, 2020 2:19 pm
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I didn’t get far because I was confused by the “No” at the start of your comment, the rest of which appeared to be in agreement with mine.

My statement didn’t offer an opinion of whether McNair was right or wrong, just that it was too early to know for sure.

Just because you think you know the answer doesn’t make you right. I mean, yesterday you invalidated my opinion based on Fox’s WS/48 – a few hours before that data point went in the tank.

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December 28, 2020 3:00 pm
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My statement didn’t offer an opinion of whether McNair was right or wrong, just that it was too early to know for sure.

What you said wasn’t the issue. The conclusion was. That’s the disagreement.

Just because you think you know the answer doesn’t make you right.

Aye.

I mean, yesterday you invalidated my opinion based on Fox’s WS/48

Hmm. Well, that’s just like your opinion, man.

Good talk.

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December 28, 2020 3:34 pm
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You disagree about a conclusion that I didn’t actually make? Well, alrightythen.

Not good, GREAT talk!

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December 28, 2020 4:32 pm
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The real question is, was Bogdanovic worth keeping as an asset? Way too early to say McNair is correct about this one.

You disagree about a conclusion that I didn’t actually make?

So the issue is solely about matching Bogi? Nothing else? No other factors? No other issues at play? Alrighty then.

A great talk indeed.

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December 28, 2020 4:48 pm
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But the choice wasn’t simply Haliburton vs. Bodganovic. We could have had both.

I would agree with Nate in that the problem with keeping Bogi is less Bogi and more Barnes, and Buddy, to a lesser degree. Bogi on his new deal was at best paid fairly and in my opinion probably overpaid. Again, I agree with Nate that Bogi is a good player, but will never be great. I’m not sure how much a player who tops out at fair value is a significant asset.

When you’re stuck with Barnes’ terrible deal and Buddy’s possibly poor deal (and again, he’s probably at best fair value) I think you look at it as replacing a $72 million deal with a possibly equivalent (and much younger) at $18 million deal. The $54 million in space over four years is a much better asset than Bogi on a $72 million deal.

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December 28, 2020 2:21 pm
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maybe we somehow remove the 2 on Harry’s jersey and pretend that is Hali.

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December 27, 2020 10:11 pm

Couldn’t watch these last two games but did something happen in them?

Suns twitter/fans was acting like they just won the finals or something

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December 27, 2020 10:22 pm

Tyrese Haliburton 15 points, 6 assists, and 0 turnovers. He was fun to watch!

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December 27, 2020 10:38 pm

Dreaming of a happier time…

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December 27, 2020 10:42 pm

This was a scheduled loss and rightfully so as it exposed our weaknesses this early in the season. Good thing we won those two games because of how deep the West is especially with Phoenix in our division. We need another shot-creator who’ll relieve Fox when he’s in those situations. Guy could be the guy (no pun intended) in the future but we need someone now if we want our guys to compete and develop.

Bagley’s coming along just fine, Phoenix adjusted and targeted our two best players.

With Denver’s funk let’s make it 0-2 against them.

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December 27, 2020 10:56 pm

It’s obviously Haliburton

long term Hali is the teams PG, Fox the SG

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December 28, 2020 10:34 pm
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Shooting …. LOL

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December 28, 2020 1:04 pm

I only disagree that Bagley is coming along. Love the effort, and he’s definitely a good rebounder, but his BBIQ is horrific, shot selection is terrible, calling his passing bad is a wild overstatement, and I have yet to see any of that get better. Bagley’s shot does look good, so my hope would his efficiency improves, even if his shot selection doesn’t.

Bagley looks to me like a more offensively aggressive, worse defending and worse passing Willie Cauley Stein. Empty stat stuffer. Thankfully, I think the front office is smart enough to recognize stat stuffing when they see it, and are not emotionally attached to the sunk cost of drafting him.

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December 28, 2020 1:48 pm
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I noticed Bagley do something last night that drives me nuts.
He has a tendency to €œfollow the ball€ up court. He doesn’t spread out and fill the lanes, and at one point followed so close behind Buddy when he was going for a 3, that it had to affect Buddy’s shot, because he immediately got the ball back off the long rebound , and nailed the open 3.
His spacing and court awareness is dreadful, because he is so worried about getting the ball to score, rather than drawing defenders away to open up his teammates

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December 27, 2020 10:46 pm

The sooner this becomes Haliburton’s team the better.
It’s that obvious.

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December 27, 2020 10:55 pm

Frickin’ Suns!
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December 27, 2020 11:11 pm

The Suns were making shots and causing turnovers-tough to win…especially with the schedule. Still-the Kings were in the game until the end of the 3rd with Fox and Bagley in foul trouble. Last year this would’ve been a blow out.

Unfortunately-a game like this is when we would’ve seen a little Yogi Farrell for a jolt of energy. Kyle Guy and maybe James needed to enter the game earlier.

On another note-where’s Jabari Parker or Jefferies? Kaminsky looked serviceable for the Suns which tells you how the Kings played.

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December 28, 2020 4:35 am
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The Suns were making shots and causing turnovers-tough to win€¦especially with the schedule. 

Weren’t the Suns on the same schedule, only on the road?

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December 28, 2020 9:11 am
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So you concede that we had home court crowd noise advantage?
No further questions.

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December 28, 2020 11:03 am
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Do they add the fake crowd noise so the TV audience can’t hear the players cussing at each other? I’d pay extra if we could hear the real sound from the court, and all the trash talk!

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December 27, 2020 11:19 pm

In a weird way, it was relieving to lose this game. My imagination was really starting to get the best of me. I drove through Downtown this morning and literally had the thought €œI wonder what route they would choose for a championship parade.€

Its nice to come back down to earth. More looking at mock drafts, less looking at playoff seeding (and parade routes).

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December 27, 2020 11:22 pm
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Also, I love Haliburton. His quick impact brings me so much joy. I can’t wait until he starts playing more aggressively and is given more of a green light.

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December 28, 2020 8:17 am
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A parade route, eh?

Hmmmm…….

Howe about Arden?

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December 28, 2020 9:15 am
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Richards boulevard to Del Paso boulevard ending in Rio Linda.

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December 28, 2020 9:18 am
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You really don’t like Sacramento, do you Marty? LOL

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December 28, 2020 1:51 pm
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He’s just thinking of new TKH gear. KANGZ bulletproof vest anyone? 😆

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December 28, 2020 2:19 pm
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TBH, I love the southern stretch of Del Paso Blvd before you hit Arden. It’s got so much potential charm. Unfortunately it’s just that: Potential.

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December 28, 2020 2:23 pm
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Indeed, it’s a unique area and I can still remember going there as a kid to the indoor ice skating rink. It’s just exceptionally sketchy these days though. I even overheard a couple of police officers saying €œget me
out of here€ the last time I was down there. (Someone had apparently shot up a house and was on the loose)

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December 27, 2020 11:53 pm

They really started to look gassed by the end of the 3rd quarter. Looked like they blew a tire after the refs got some calls on us.

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December 28, 2020 12:25 am

I guess there’s only one thing left to do

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December 28, 2020 8:42 am
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Exactly. I was thinking the same thing. Let’s do it…
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December 28, 2020 8:44 am
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Some people have too much time on their hands? Umm no bike helmets ..

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December 28, 2020 4:12 am

Haliburton is such a joy to watch playing. The BBIQ shines through.

I’d really wish we had focused more in the past on getting good, smart players who know how to play team ball and D. But it is good that we at least started now.

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December 28, 2020 4:39 am
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Hali’s been great. It’s really nice to have a potential piece of the longterm puzzle at such a young age. Will be interesting to see how his offensive game develops – right now, he’s dead last on the roster in FGA per 100 possessions.

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December 28, 2020 8:22 am
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It’s really weird to see a young player with a high BBIQ wearing a Kings uniform.

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December 28, 2020 11:48 am
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It is downright thrilling. Is this how other fan bases feel every few years after they draft a really smart player? It’s been so long for the us that I don’t know what to do with myself.

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December 28, 2020 11:51 am

We drafted smart? I thought we only knew how to draft hope……

I don’t know what to do with my hands.

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December 28, 2020 12:04 pm
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I really was trying to figure out when the last time we drafted a player like Haliburton was. In the last 20 years at least I can’t think of one or at least one that didn’t also have other glaring flaws. It’s just so odd for the Kings to actually draft a smart cerebral player instead of chasing athleticism and upside.

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December 28, 2020 1:53 pm

In the first round? Some people kinda thought that’s who Justin Jackson was. And theoretically who Stauskas was. Cisco? The most recent one that actually panned out in that vein was probably Turkoglu.

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December 29, 2020 10:37 am

Yeah Turkoglu is the only guy that came to mind for me. I never understood the Justin Jackson thing because he clearly wasn’t that guy in college and he was older as well. Cisco maybe but he’s definitely a step down IMO. I’m really happy we got this kid in this draft.

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December 28, 2020 1:55 pm
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Yes, you do…

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December 28, 2020 11:06 am
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We had 1 focus in the past…who shows up for tryouts. Not an issue is 2020!

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December 28, 2020 8:20 am

You just HAD to say they’re undefeated after two games.

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December 28, 2020 8:46 am

According to basketball reference, Bagley currently has the highest usage on the team at 28.4% while only being 5th in minutes.

That’s it. That’s the post.

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December 28, 2020 8:48 am
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Oh…and Hali is 12th in usage at 11.1%, while being 4th in minutes.

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December 28, 2020 8:56 am
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This is shocking how? Re: Bagley and Hali.

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December 28, 2020 9:10 am
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Just something for the “but Bagley puts up double-doubles” folks to chew on.

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December 28, 2020 9:13 am
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December 28, 2020 9:54 am
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You can’t add stuff after you write “That’s it. That’s the post.”
Them’s the rules, Adam. I didn’t write them. You did.

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December 28, 2020 11:04 am
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Adam was awarded an “And one” after the foul!

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December 28, 2020 11:12 am
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Get’ em Dutchman!!! Kill!!!!!!!!!!! Maim!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Destroy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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December 28, 2020 12:08 pm
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Do you see my badges? I’m the dumbass of 2014 and have over 3K up votes. I can do no wrong.

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Some of us have to hide our badge color of shame 😉
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December 28, 2020 11:43 am
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3rd game in a row where he just does not positively impact the game outside of a couple minutes and he’s not giving the team anything Holmes isn’t.

I’d love him as a bench big for 10 to 15 min a game, if he accepted the limited role on offense that he deserves. Run the floor, put backs with that quick jump, exciting dunks, the very rare coast to coast. You can eat the lack of defense and passing if that were the case.

As a starter playing 30+ minutes a game? Not on a good team.

I don’t see any teams giving up a nice asset for him, but at his #2 pick salary, it’s tough to swallow the wait and see approach.

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December 28, 2020 12:55 pm
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THIS. Bagley’s job is to box out, dunk, and put his hands up in front of the basket. He is not AD, KAT, Embid, Porzingis, or Jokic. Those are the only types of bigs that warrant a usage rate that high and that much of a greenlight. He is not a centerpiece, he’s an ancillary piece. I’m beginning to wonder if he is one of those workout warriors who wows in practice but underperfoms against opposition.

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December 28, 2020 2:54 pm
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He’s probably put a good amount of pressure on himself to put up a decent stat line to justify his draft position. I don’t blame him, I’d probably feel the same way.

I also think playing him 25 to 30 mpg game is the right move right now. #1, Monte should get a good look before he moves on and #2, playing him that amount of minutes reduces the chances of a Kings win and increases the odds of more ping pong balls at the end of the season.

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December 28, 2020 3:17 pm
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That’s very true and is likely a factor with Luka being a stud, I’m sure he has a chip on his shoulder in that regard. I just went the workout warrior route because his teammates and coaching staff believe in him and are fine with him doing what he does. While he just shows flashes on the court, he may be dominating behind the scenes.

I agree with him getting a lot more playing time, it’s just hard to be patient with him because 1) we could have had Luka. 2) Other high draft picks like Ben Simmons and Joel Embid, who both didn’t play the first year (or two in Embid’s case) due to injury and immediately dominated in their “rookie” years once healthy. 3) Bagley would obviously be an easy 18-10 guy just rim running and cleaning up the boards. None of that requires him to have a 28.4% usage rate. He just needs to play off of Fox and Haliburton instead of feigning as a unicorn big.

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December 28, 2020 9:43 am

Checking in on the early results on the team recommitting to playing fast this season. So far, they’re 21st in pace at ~101 possessions per 48 minutes. They’re 6th in frequency of possessions ending in transition at 20.8%. Unfortunately, they’re 24th in transition efficiency with .99 points per transition possession. That’s actually lower than they’re overall offensive efficiency (1.06 PPP).

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December 28, 2020 10:18 am
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So, correct me if I’m wrong, but if they have a high frequency of possessions in transition but a low overall pace, that basically means they have a problem generating possessions, doesn’t it?

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December 28, 2020 10:20 am

It really means they aren’t jacking a ton of shots up in the halfcourt.

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December 28, 2020 10:33 am

not really. As pookie mentioned it just means they’re more methodical in the halfcourt. It could just be that they are still learning the offense, or they’re passing up good shots for better shots.

The real concern, which isn’t really a concern yet, is the efficiency in transition. A team should score more points per possession in transition versus the half court. Otherwise, you’re shooting yourself in the foot trying to play fast. If you look at their transition defense they’re giving up 1.26 PPP in transition. You don’t really want to get into track meets if the opposing team is scoring ~21% more points per transition possession.

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December 28, 2020 11:09 am
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I appreciate the positive spin of using Methodical€ to describe it. Without looking much more deeply, it would basically mean that if they are shooting in transition, their half court possessions are generally generating shots late in the shot clock. Which tend to be poorer shots. I’ve only been able to watch about 1/3 of their minutes so far, but the half-court offense appears a bit rudderless to me. Without much urgency or incisiveness. That could be learning the offense. But it’s been the case to some degree for at least the past few seasons.

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December 28, 2020 11:44 am

but the half-court offense appears a bit rudderless to me. Without much urgency or incisiveness. 

It’s going to have to be an evolution that is going to have to include a very effective and developed active 2 man game between Fox and Bagley at some point IMO.

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December 28, 2020 11:59 am
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I’m not sure it has to be that. But that would certainly help. Unfortunately, that’s going to depend on Bagley developing quite a bit. And in some ways he hasn’t shown much aptitude for as a good two-man game depends on both plays having decent BBIQ and passing skills.

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December 28, 2020 12:02 pm

He seems to have the ability (that we don’t see from many others on the Kings) to understand how an action can set up opportunities two to three moves away. Basically, the difference between simply swinging the ball along the perimeter vs skip-passes & probing dribbles that force the defense to move. Guys like Fox and Hield (who are clearly good, effective players and better 1v1 players than Haliburton) don’t seem to see much further than the next move.

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December 28, 2020 11:50 am

I will say that it looks a lot less rudderless when Haliburton is in the game and that gives me hope for the future. Maybe not this year but next year and beyond.

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December 28, 2020 11:34 am
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Last night’s game very much skewed the season’s data. Whether it was an aberration, or early reversion remains to be seen, I suppose.

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December 28, 2020 11:59 am
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This is a good point, actually. SSS tend to have really weird distortions.

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December 28, 2020 12:28 pm
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yeah for sure. I just thought it was interesting that they seem to be doing better in the halfcourt versus when they try to play fast so far. As of now, they’re most efficient shot clock range is with 4-7 seconds left (61% eFG%). They’re basically at ~50 eFG% from every other range except for Early in the shot clock (43.6 eFG% with 18-15 seconds left).

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December 28, 2020 10:04 am

I want my money back.

The Sacramento Kings are not going 72-0.

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December 28, 2020 11:06 am

Foul trouble with Fox killed our offensive flow. He just can’t get a break from the refs. Referring is harder than it looks but come on.

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December 28, 2020 11:31 am
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Seemed like the Suns made a point of flailing or flopping at the slightest bump from Fox and the refs bought into it in the second half. I suspect CP3’s mentorship is somehow involved.

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December 28, 2020 12:33 pm
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Those motherfloppers!
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December 28, 2020 11:58 am

Only got to watch part of the game last night but after seeing a game and a half of the Suns, I think they are actually going to be really good this year. Like top-4 seed potentially good. Chris Paul just sort of pulls all their pieces together and guys like Bridges now have enough experience to really make an impact on the game with lower usage.

I also expect this to be the version of the Kings that we see a fair amount of this season and sort of what I expected going into the year. But we’ll see how it plays out.

I might post this after every game this season but Haliburton man… I love him. He’s already my favorite King since IT. I just love everything he does. I don’t care that his usage is incredibly low right now. It’ll probably always be on the low end but I honestly can’t remember a King who was this efficient and made such a positive impact on the game at such a young age. We still need more pieces around him to truly contend for anything meaningful but I am going to say it right now: Tyrese Haliburton WILL be on the next Kings playoff team. First time I’ve said that about any young Kings draft pick in a long time. It’s happening with this kid and the fact that this FO drafted him makes me think it is FINALLY going to happen with this FO. Now I will sit back and watch in horror as the Kings somehow figure out a way to mess it up.

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December 28, 2020 12:37 pm

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December 28, 2020 12:27 pm

Phoenix established the blueprint for guarding Fox. Fox cannot consistently hit a mid range or long range shot. Fox will look to penetrate or dish out. But, teams don’t fear his outside game . The scouting report will focus on his limitations. Fox is ultra aggressive once he gets into the open court. It’s obvious, once Fox is off the court, this team has little to no chance of winning.

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December 28, 2020 12:36 pm
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It’s obvious, once Fox is off the court, this team has little to no chance of winning.

Maybe I’m misunderstanding you, but it sounds like this sentence is diametrically opposed to the rest of your post.

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December 28, 2020 12:45 pm
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I’m not sure they established it. That’s been the scouting report on Fox since he entered the league. But seeing a player back-to-back (or in the playoffs) make it easier to create and follow a scouting report like that. Usually, during the regular season, teams don’t have that same chance to game plan for individual players quite as much.

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December 28, 2020 12:42 pm

Can we do some sort of PR campaign with end of year awards voters to get Haliburton the ROY? It would be nice for him, but it would be great for me. I bet $30 on him to win at 18/1 odds. He currently has the highest WS/48 (.205) of all rookies, and he’s 45th overall in the NBA. The voters should know this!

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December 28, 2020 12:49 pm
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I’ll bet you a Rordog„¢ that Haliburton wins ROY.

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December 28, 2020 12:58 pm
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your reaction when getting denied the savory goodness of a convenience store dog

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December 28, 2020 12:57 pm
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you got yourself a bet

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December 28, 2020 12:58 pm
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I like Hali a lot. At first I didn’t think ROY was in the cards since he will be coming off the bench but now seeing how efficient he is when he is on the court, I’m starting to believe he’ll be right up there when the season ends.

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December 28, 2020 1:50 pm
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Bleacher Report (though not a great source) moved the Kings up to #14 in their latest power rankings. Here’s what they say about Halliburton:

NBA fans in general should get to know Tyrese Halliburton now because he has come in as a rookie and immediately made an impact off the bench. He is shooting 41.7 percent from three, dropping five dimes a night and averaging 9.7 points. More importantly, he comes in games and is comfortable enough to run the offense.

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December 29, 2020 10:44 am
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I’ve seen him mentioned all over the place on different sites so I think people know. He was the analytics community darling heading into the draft so I think they’re all watching him to validate that they’re right. And I think they are right! I’m not sure he’ll win it because Wiseman looks awesome to me but I bet he finishes top-3 if he continues a similar level of play.

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December 29, 2020 9:55 am

Anybody else think that Halli will be better than Fox by midseason and trading Fox for a high draft pick to open the door for Halli to start could be the best option to really set things up nicely for next season and clear Fox contract.

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