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Summer League Recap Rountable

We discuss Keegan Murray, Keon Ellis, Neemias Queta and more.

Jul 5, 2022; San Francisco, CA, USA; Sacramento Kings forward Keegan Murray (13) rebounds against the Los Angeles Lakers during the second quarter at the California Summer League at Chase Center. Mandatory Credit: Darren Yamashita-USA TODAY Sports

Summer League has reached an end, and although the Kings did not add another Summer League banner to the rafters of Golden 1 Center, there was still a lot to like about this year’s showing. The Kings Herald staff came together for a roundtable discussion of how the Kings fared.

How did you feel about Keegan Murray’s performance?

Bryant: It’s hard to undersell how excellent Keegan was, and he fully deserved his MVP award. On a pure numbers basis, his production was exceptional and also unsurprising. It was awesome to see him excel against the other top-tier competition like Chet Holmgren and Paolo Banchero, but Keegan was always going to thrive in this environment. What really stood out to me was his shot variance throughout the entirety of the California Classic and Vegas competitions; he hit shots off the catch, off of movement, and off the dribble (h/t to @SacFilmRoom for his excellent video work). I thought Keegan’s deep shot was his most impressive skill last year, but seeing him take and make shots off the bounce with consistency is a BIG deal. He only took 41 total off-the-dribble jumpers at Iowa, so this isn’t just him continuing to do what worked in Iowa City (Editor’s note: this previously said Des Moines. We’ve corrected for accuracy but please continue to mock Bryant). He’s expanding on his game immediately, and in the way I was most hoping to see.

In my pre-draft profile on Murray, I said that if Keegan could become a dangerous off-the-bounce shooter, that would alleviate the creation concerns I have for him. We already know he’s a strong shooter off the catch, but as this movement/off-the-dribble shooting becomes a larger part of his game, he can just blow the ceiling off of any of our pre-draft expectations. Keegan was exceptional in Summer League, and Kings fans should be universally thrilled with his improvements.

Akis:  I was only able to catch a few summer league games live, but between those games and watching the highlights, I was very impressed with Keegan Murray.  It is just summer league after all, but it wasn’t hard to see that Murray was usually the best player on the floor, and he was doing all his damage within the flow of the offense.  It’s easy to see why the Kings brass fell in love with him during the pre-draft process. The fit with guys like Fox and Sabonis should be seamless, especially with how well he moves and cuts off the ball.

Keegan also did a lot to prove that his shot is for real. There were some people questioning whether he’d be able to hit threes at a high level in the NBA but he shot 40% from three on 8.8 attempts a game in Vegas. The only guy who shot more attempts and made a higher percentage in all of Summer League was Boston’s Matt Ryan.  Keegan also got to the line a bunch, a skill that is much needed for a Kings team that often struggles to get there.  Most impressive to me was the game he had against the Thunder and Chet Holmgren where he just went right at Chet for much of the first half on his way to 29 points.

Jonathan Tjarks mentioned in a podcast that Keegan “doesn’t have a lot of fat in his game”. He’s efficient with his possessions and more often than not is in the right spot.  He’s more polished than most already.  That’s not to say he isn’t without his flaws.  He definitely needs to work on his ballhandling skills and he struggled at times to create his own shot when he couldn’t get by his defender.  At least at the start of his career he won’t be a primary focus of the opposing defense, but to become a true star that’s the part of his game that probably needs the most work.  Still, I couldn’t be happier with what I saw from Keegan Murray this summer and I’d be surprised if he’s not a Day 1 starter and contributor for the Kings.

Brenden: Is it possible to feel anything but great about how Keegan Murray looked in Las Vegas? He was ridiculously efficient both from the field and from beyond the arc while putting up some impressive counting stats, just like he did throughout his sophomore season at Iowa. It was so easy to see how Murray’s game would perform alongside De’Aaron Fox and Domantasa Sabonis with the main roster.

Murray’s elite catch-and-shoot ability was a known commodity and that was always going to be a useful skill from the jump for him. Knocking down triples coming off of pindowns, handoffs, and in transition is going to provide phenomenal spacing for Sacramento’s engines. Murray is witty enough to counter the opposing defense when fitting and Sabonis will be sure to reward his cuts.

What caught me off guard was some of his off-the-dribble, self-created jumpers and the heavily contested shots that he managed to convert. Murray has talked about somewhat modeling his game after Khris Middleton, which was a comparison I struggled to see at first but Murray had his moments where you could see it throughout this run.

Murray deserved the Summer League MVP and it’s easy to see how his game will translate effectively to the next level.

Tony: I expected Keegan Murray to look very good in summer league play. When you draft someone 4th overall and one of the main points in their pros column is NBA readiness – this kind of performance is the hope. Murray looked better than everyone else. He looked the most polished. He looked the most ready. He looked the least nervous. Keegan made it all look so easy.

And that’s great. Just because I expected Murray to have a strong summer league doesn’t mean I haven’t been very excited watching him do it. We’ve witnessed many (too many) lottery picks in Sacramento fail to build any confidence in summer league, and that can snowball for players. I think Thomas Robinson is still recovering.

Murray crushed his first test. For that, I am very thankful.

Greg: It’s hard to add much to watch my colleagues have already said, but Keegan was just so fun to watch play. It wasn’t flashy, but the lethal simplicity of his game made me happy. The fact that Murray thrived even when he was the focal point of every opponent’s defense is a promising sign, and I can’t wait to see him coolly pick up buckets as an outlet when defenses collapse on Sabonis or Fox.

I’m trying not to get overly excited, because it is just summer league, but being the best player at summer league is exactly what you hope to get out of your first round pick. He still needs to prove it against a better level of competition, but there’s no reason to worry that he won’t.

What did you think of Keon Ellis’ play in Summer League?

Bryant: For a team that hasn’t prioritized a guy with Ellis’s skillset in a while, it was damned awesome to see his defensive tenacity and three-point excellence in Summer League. 2.3 steals and 54.2% from deep in Vegas is no joke for a young kid trying to prove himself on a two-way contract. He’s going to thrive in Stockton, and fingers crossed that his 3-and-D upside translates to the NBA eventually; Sacramento hasn’t had a homegrown diamond-in-the-rough player become a meaningful contributor in forever.

Akis:  Ellis looks like a nice find for the Kings.  His defensive versatility is as advertised, but he also showcased a nice shot, making a fantastic 54.2% of his threes on 6 attempts a game in Vegas.  He also showcased more playmaking ability than I was expecting, leading the Kings summer league team with 4.8 assists a game.  Ellis wasn’t known as a passer at all at Alabama, averaging just 1.4 assists over his two years there, so that part of his game is a nice bonus, especially with Sacramento not really having a 3rd string point guard yet.  For a two-way player, Ellis looks like an ideal player to develop in Stockton.  It makes up a little bit for not really using our 2nd round picks this year.

Brenden: I love watching Keon Ellis play basketball. He’s just such a pesky, persistent, long, intelligent, and fearless defender that spends every minute out there on defense annoying the opposition. Sacramento lacked true disruptors on the defensive end in year’s prior and Ellis could be a positive on that end sooner rather than later.

As for his offense, all Ellis really needs to do is hit his open shots and he showed the ability to do that on high volume throughout his time in Vegas. His decision making and ball-handling capabilities are still a work in progress at the moment, but he shouldn’t be asked to initiate the offense or handle much at the NBA level anyways.

For now, it’s hard to see a clear route to playing time for the Alabama product with the Sacramento roster this season. Seems more likely that he will get an extended opportunity to refine his skills in Stockton with scattered opportunities to shine in Sacramento.

Tony: Keon Ellis had a more promising summer league run than any Kings 2nd round pick of recent memory. I know Ellis wasn’t technically a Kings 2nd rounder, but they committed a two-way contract to him, so I’m putting him in the 2nd round bucket.

Ellis showed you everything he needs to do to be an NBA rotation wing. His defense was stellar, and he shot 13-24 (.542) from three. He’s obviously not going to be a 54% 3-point shooter, but I was so impressed with his defense that if he can hit his outside shot at a consistent clip, the Kings have a rotation player here. And if he can improve his game beyond 3-and-D, well, Sacramento may have just found their first real draft steal since Isaiah Thomas.

I’m betting on Keon Ellis to stick around.

Greg: The Kings haven’t had much success finding quality contributors in the margins in recent years, but it looks like they might have something in Keon Ellis. He plays pesky defense that was really fun to watch, although it still needs some polish before I think the Kings will use him in their rotation. Luckily, it actually feels like the Kings aren’t relying on their Two-Way players to fill big roster holes this year. Hopefully the Kings can bounce Ellis back and forth between Sac and Stockton, help him develop, and end up with a rotational player in the future.

What do you make of Neemias Queta’s performance?

Bryant: Some great, some good, some average; his defense in the paint was excellent, his offensive improvements and touch around the basket are promising, and I would have liked to see him show up more on the glass (6.5 rebounds? Really?). Like Jerry Reynolds said on the last episode of the Kings Herald Show, Neemias shows the right kind of skills and promise to where I’m hoping the Kings will be extra patient with him. Another year in Stockton will do him good, but it was good to see him excel on defense.

Akis:  Queta definitely showed improvement from last year.  He looks to be slimmed down but was still a force in the paint. He was one of the biggest players in Summer League and opponents felt it whenever they drove. He was 4th in Summer League in blocks per game at 2.8 and also shot a very good 67.9% from the field. It wasn’t all dunks either, as he made both of his three point attempts. I would have liked to see him be a better rebounder though, 6.5 boards for a player his size is just too low.  Passing was also supposedly a strength for him coming out of college but he didn’t really showcase that this summer, averaging just 1.5 assist a game.  Still, he’s got potential, especially as a rim protector.

Brenden: It was a mixed experience watching Neemias Queta through both Summer Leagues. He was extremely underwhelming during the California Classic but really stepped up after arriving in Las Vegas.

There are flashes of phenomenal rim protection and positioning, but he often gets too handsy rather than remaining vertical and gets called for a foul. He has had some agile and impressive moments finishing around the rim, but he probably would benefit from utilizing his 7’0″ 245lbs frame a bit more often to finish strong and dominate the glass.

Before going down with a slight calf injury against the Indiana Pacers, Queta was continuing the trend of improving with each passing game. If he can improve his discipline defensively, get more accustomed to his current weight and strength, and fine tune his offensive game he becomes very intriguing. Personally, I think he likely needs one more year primarily with Stockton before he’s relied upon in Sacramento.

Tony: I acknowledge that the summer league Neemias Queta experience wasn’t perfect, but I got to say, I really enjoyed it. Unfortunately for Queta, I’m not sure that the Kings have NBA minutes for him next season, but I think that’s the next step for his development. We’ve got to see what kind of impact he has on an NBA game.

I thought he looked very comfortable out there for the first time since the Kings drafted him. That confidence wasn’t always beneficial. There was some crazy shots. There was some shot block hunting. But I think the overall impact was good. He is a feared rim protector with an interesting set of offensive skills, and I found myself wondering if some of his wilder offensive possessions were just a product of the summer league atmosphere.

If he were playing NBA minutes, would he only do what he’s good at? And how helpful would that be for an NBA team? I don’t have an answer, but I saw enough good things out of Queta that I’d really like to find out.

Greg: Queta is still not ready for heavy minutes on a team hoping to fight for the playoffs, but his trajectory from last year to this year is promising. If the Kings were to trade Richaun Holmes or Alex Len and needed to rely on Queta as the third-string center, I’d be comfortable with that at this point.

His “you don’t know me, brah” moment with Paolo Banchero was also the highlight of Summer League.

Any other key takeaways?

Bryant: It’s just Summer League, but this is another solid step forward for Sacramento. Keegan excelled, Ellis and Queta both showed promise, and the Kings squad played with physicality, toughness, and defensive tenacity that we don’t always see from the main squad. Here’s hoping this all translates to the real games come October, but given that Keegan thrived in all the expected ways and showed real improvement in his shot creation, I’m very optimistic.

Akis:  Keegan looks like the real deal and I think he changed a lot of people’s minds on how Sacramento’s draft day went.  Watching him play, along with the other moves the Kings have made this summer, has actually made me excited for the upcoming season.  Ellis and Queta also look like the best two-way prospects the Kings have had since the two-way contract was started.  Good teams like the Raptors, Heat, Grizzlies, etc. have all found value in developing guys like that and hopefully at least one of them can become a rotation player at some point. That would be a nice bonus for us.

Brenden: Robert Woodard. Everyone was excited to watch James Wiseman’s Summer League debut this season, including myself, until I came to realize that Robert Woodard was starting for the opposing Spurs. We don’t need to talk about how he played, but it was entertaining to watch him play again.

I’m really really really trying to pump the breaks on the Keegan Murray hype because it is just Summer League. I felt pretty darn good about Marvin Bagley after his Summer League showing as well. They’re vastly different circumstances, of course, — Keegan Murray will never be a bust — but I’m close to thinking that maybe Murray can be a future All-Star a couple of times in this league. Maybe I’m just overreacting to Summer League basketball.

Tony: Get David Stockton a lifetime summer league contract. Point guard play prevented this team from bringing the summer league championship back to Sacramento. Outside of that, I really enjoyed this group. And shout out to head coach Jordi Fernandez. I thought he did a great job with the squad this year.

Greg: I really liked what we saw from Jordi Fernandez. He seemed to really inspire the team to play hard, he ran good ATO sets, and generally coached well in Summer League. It was a nice look at Mike Brown’s lead assistant, and it’s easy to see the qualities that made Brown want Jordi as his right-hand man.

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July 20, 2022 12:44 pm

Very nice wrap-up, even if it was kind of a sausagefest.

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July 20, 2022 2:47 pm
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Great movie

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July 20, 2022 3:38 pm

this isn’t just him continuing to do what worked in Iowa City (Editor’s note: this previously said Des Moines. We’ve corrected for accuracy but please continue to mock Bryant).

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July 20, 2022 3:50 pm
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I deserve this

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July 21, 2022 3:52 pm
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It’s okay. All the cornfields there look the same. We understand.

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July 20, 2022 4:35 pm

Good summary.
Murray better than expected. When he gets to play with guys who can pass, he will get better shots and he is very efficient. If he just does what he does well- catch and shoot, get fouled a bit, back cuts etc. he will have a solid season. And because he does indeed have stuff to work on, that is hopeful.
Ellis reminds me of Terrance Mann.
Q is bad-good-really good. Too inconsistent for major minutes.
I was extremely disappointed in the give away with the #37 and was hopeful that the trade for Sasha would be beneficial. Getting Sasha and having him be a contributor would have helped me up-grade the second-round score which at this point is a zero.

Okpala may contribute- 5 minutes of tough D would help. Playing with 4 other guys who can shoot.
Heard that 2 other teams were interested in Chima. So he must be on the NBA radar. I do like that the FO went far and wide in it’s search for talent.
Possibility of more minor moves.
West is tough but if, if, if these moves work out, who knows. The over /under is 31.5. I say well over that.

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July 20, 2022 5:09 pm
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I think Ellis is sort of the de-facto 2nd round pick — the Kings must have had knowledge that he was going to end up undrafted, because they swooped in to sign him quick.

Perhaps if the Kings impress this season, Sasha comes over next season and can either contribute meaningful minutes, or might have some value in a trade.

2nd round is a crapshoot anyway — most guys don’t end up panning out. I’m okay with the Kings reaching here, even if it doesn’t pan out immediately (or ever)

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July 21, 2022 11:21 am
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I would have liked a reach as well- The two second round picks from the Mavs will not be higher than #37 but may help in trades.
Sasha got just too full of himself I think- expected role guarantee or more money.
There is a log jam at his spot though. Signing Metu and Lyles was cheap, and Kings knew what they were getting. Sasha not so much. Okpala was pure D to fill out skills. The new Moe.

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July 21, 2022 11:29 am
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And it’s probably more likely than not that Sasha is willing to come over next year when that log jam at PF evaporates.

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July 21, 2022 7:15 pm
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Wait. Are you saying that it’s still possible Vezenkov might come over?!?!?!?

That’s unpossible Mike. That’s not how things operate in Kangzland. Let me give you a fansplainer.

Step 1) Find out news that was not preferred
Step 2) Freak out and make it into WW3 and imply complete negligence and malfeasance on the org’s part
Step 3) ?????
Step 4) Profit.

You’re welcome, Mike. Happy to help.

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July 22, 2022 8:46 am
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Cortisol addicts.

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July 20, 2022 5:03 pm

I thought the discussion was the last honest pizza version of Summer League discussions.

I enjoyed the slices I read of your round table.

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July 21, 2022 6:51 am

These guys are always hot and ready. Pizza, pizza.

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July 20, 2022 5:13 pm

Ya’ll triple-checking to make sure you’re not using photos of Kris?

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July 20, 2022 10:57 pm

The Harrison Barnes comparisons have become a thing of the past, but I’m standing by my Jayson Tatum comp, not so much in terms of style, but production rather.

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July 21, 2022 8:31 am
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I have had the same thought, at least in terms of his potential and as a reply to those who have written, “low ceiling.”

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July 21, 2022 11:24 am
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Interesting- Murray IMO will be better outside shooter. Tatum has some serious ball skills and can take over a game.
This is possible. That would be great.

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July 22, 2022 12:45 pm
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My comp for him is “Tobias Harris, but with dog”, which is a *very* good player.

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July 21, 2022 6:15 am

I was all in on Keegan Murray before the season even ended and I hope I’m right, it sure is looking good..I love the way he plays the game it does not speed up on him. I believe he’ll continue to get better and all of the talk of a low ceiling was More about trying to justify potential players that were not as polished and much more athletic. Athleticism is not the only part of the game just ask Dirk, Luka, Curry, Kareem, Bird, and so many others…

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Agree, skill and BBall smarts still works and is usually undersold as much as athleticism is oversold .

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The term athleticism is a very complex term. To me hand eye coordination, vision and instincts are part of athleticism. We sometimes think someone without raw speed is not athletic, I don’t see it that way and to me the players you mentioned are all elite athletes. I mean is Fox a better athlete than Curry, I don’t think so. When players adapt to other sports successfully that’s an indication of athleticism. Watch Curry on the golf course and you will never question his athleticism again. Not to mention the things he can do with a basketball in his hands.

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July 21, 2022 11:19 am
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Well, OK, but when people rave about Ivey’s athleticism and say Keegan is not athletic, they mean something different from your account. By their definition all the players Want2win mentioned are not athletic. And all those players were often said to be less athletic than…

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July 21, 2022 3:05 pm
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Thank you you got the point I was trying to make.

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July 21, 2022 3:05 pm
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I don’t disagree in fact I would say all 95% of NBA players are excellent athletes. I was generalizing in the fact that a lot of those players were not considered super athletic per NBA standards.

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July 21, 2022 7:02 pm
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And my point is raw speed many times gets equated with athleticism. I never bought into Ivey having more upside than Murray because of his athleticism/speed. Many times a couple of agencies throw something out and the herd runs with it.

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July 21, 2022 7:44 am

I think Las Vegas has the Kings’ season wins at 32 1/2.

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July 21, 2022 8:31 am
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…first half of the season, by the All-Star break.

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July 21, 2022 3:17 pm
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That explains the 1/2 part of 32 1/2

(SLC is location of 2023 ASG on 19 February)

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July 22, 2022 1:13 pm
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I just put 100 on them on over 33.5

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July 23, 2022 6:46 pm
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46-48 wins. Bank on it.

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July 21, 2022 8:36 am

I hope the Kings and Mike Brown immediately throw Keegan in the fold with at least 30 minutes a game until he either proves he belongs or shows he needs more time to develop. If he proves he belongs, I hope Barnes is moved as soon as possible. Hopefully Barnes still has value in a trade but I fear on an expiring contract his trade value is now minimal. With that said, given the Kings have about $137 million committed, I don’t think the Kings can afford to resign him. I still like Barnes and perhaps Holmes to Golden State for Wiggins and Moody. I didn’t think GS would sign Moody but now that they have they probably have no interest in Holmes. I also thought if Phoenix didn’t sign Ayton, Phoenix would be a good trading partner for him.

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July 21, 2022 9:09 am
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Hopefully Barnes still has value in a trade but I fear on an expiring contract his trade value is now minimal.

A couple of things:

  1. Expiring contracts are inherently valuable. They are essentially a guarantee that the team holding the contract at season’s end will have x amount of cap space available.
  2. Harrison Barnes is the kind of player that improves any team on which he plays. This is the opposite of “minimum trade value.”
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July 21, 2022 10:42 am
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There’s no evidence Barnes has improved the Kings. We acquired him for basically nothing and the Kings had a record slightly above 500. We have yet to see that record with Barnes.

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July 21, 2022 1:22 pm
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You sure that you don’t want to dump all of the blame on one of the other starters on any of those talent-deficient rosters?

A lot of people are saying that it’s entirely Fox’s fault. No one smart, but still.

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July 21, 2022 7:05 pm
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I blame them all collectively. They are just not good enough to win in the NBA which is why I’ve been a proponent of the greater rebuild. Fox isn’t a franchise player which the Kings are making him out to be and Barnes is no more than a fifth starter. Sabonis is probably a legit 2 but really needs a franchise player with him.

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July 21, 2022 10:03 am
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I still feel the Hornets are good landing spot for Barnes and Holmes. With the Bridges situation looking pretty bad and the possibility of him facing serious jail time, the Hornets are at a crossroads.

They did pick up Mark Williams in the draft and he appears to be their future at center, but he may not be ready. Holmes still makes a lot of sense for them and Barnes can step into the role that Miles Bridges had. I also feel they’d still like to move Hayward’s contract.

It would be risky for the Kings with Hayward’s injury history, but if he came with a pick I’d move Barnes and Holmes for him.

There could also be something as simple as moving Holmes for Plumlee, who is on an expiring deal, if the Kings want to get out of Holmes’ longer contract.

All that being said, I think Barnes will have good value at the deadline to a playoff team who is willing to give up assets for his rental. I’m hoping a team like Cleveland would want him for a playoff push and is willing to give up assets like Okoro and/or a pick.

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Barnes had more value prior to this year. I do agree with you that Charlotte would be a good landing spot for both Barnes and Holmes. I don’t necessarily want Hayward but I’d take the deal if it comes along with a future first round pick. Hayward and his contract are underwater right now. That would be the classic case of taking on a bad contract in exchange for a young talent or draft compensation. Okoro would be a good get but I don’t think they let him go. I must say, when Holmes was being considered for an extension I said 3 years at $30 mil with a team option in year 3 was the absolute max I would have paid. With his current contract he may also be underwater right now. When Sabonis has to be extended, that Holmes contract will look even worse. When Fox and Sabonis are on max contracts, there will be little room to get a good supporting cast and we can’t afford contracts like the one Holmes has.

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July 21, 2022 11:41 am
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Talk about Charlotte is interesting. The Bridges thing threw them into a dilemma. They are stuck in the great in-between- not good enough to make trouble in playoffs but not bad enough to live with the Pacers and Pistons. Which way are they headed? if they want cap space, they want, most of all to get rid of Hayward (and take HB). That’s a limbo move for the Kings- stuck with Hayward. If the Kings want to win- take PJ but if give up HB, means that they trust Murray to play the 3. and it means even more crowding at the 4 spot.
if the Kings were into tank, trade HB, take Hayward, get a pick (to replace the loss with Huerter. but this seems schizophrenic.
Holmes for Hayward and a pick? Holmes for PJ? Holmes for Plumlee and a pick? The new twin towers: Plumlee + Len.
any trade of HB to Charlotte is problematic, creates as many problems as it solves.

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July 21, 2022 11:26 am
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Cha with the Bridges situation is a very interesting trade partner with Barnes especially since there has already been so much smoke around Holmes and Cha last year.

Depending on the pick protections I might rather try and nab PJ Washington instead of a heavily protected 1st.

Barnes and Holmes for Hayward and PJ works.

Guards: Fox, Davion, Monk, Huerter, TD
Wings: Hayward, Murray, PJ, (Some small ball Huerter and TD)
Bigs: Sabonis, Len, Queta

You are 8 deep with legitimate NBA talent, 10 if you add TD and Len.

Depth is much better at the wing and of the main 8 everyone has shown the ability to hit the 3 ball consistently for spacing minus Fox, Davion, Sabonis.

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July 21, 2022 11:45 am
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I used to be on the PJ train, but have since gotten off with the addition of Keegan. I also think he is a lot more valuable to the Hornets with Bridges future being an uncertain.

In terms of Hayward, I do consider him an upgrade at the 3. When healthy, he is better than Barnes at that position. That is the risk vs reward with him. It would be an all in move by Monte, but I’d wager a lineup of Fox, Huerter, Hayward (when healthy), Keegan, and Sabonis is better than one with Barnes in place of Hayward.

When you look at his deal, the Kings are already committed to near $30M in Barnes and Holmes this year, but when you factor in Holmes’ deal of $12M next year and his PO (which he WILL opt into) the year after, Hayward’s deal of $31.5M next year, isn’t all that bad.

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July 21, 2022 12:09 pm
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How about a different direction. Barnes and a second for John Collins. Hayward is 32 and Collins is 23 and hasn’t reached his prime yet. A lot less money and he doesn’t have injury status. What about a trade that would get us Trey Murphy 111 and Kira Lweis Jr. Kill two birds with one stone. Murphy really shined in the summer league and he can play defense. Shoots the 3 really well. If you want Collins and Murray at power forwards or if Murray can also play small forward you have some really interchangeable parts especially if you add Murphy to the mix.

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July 21, 2022 12:16 pm
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I no longer have much interest in Collins. He plays the same position as Murray and I don’t see Murray as a 3.

I’m all in on Trey Murphy III. I’ve been high on him since before he was drafted. I’ve mentioned before that he is the odd man out in the Big Easy with the emergence of Herb Jones. I’d love to pluck him from the Pels.

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July 21, 2022 1:01 pm
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Me too on Murphy. OK what about Patrick Williams as a backup to Murray? Can shoot the 3 and play defense.

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July 21, 2022 2:20 pm
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No way the Bulls move Williams. He is their future at the 4.

Put it this way, if some other team had Barnes or Holmes, would you consider trading Keegan for them? That is how the Bulls view Williams.

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July 22, 2022 5:40 pm
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Bulls like Williams.

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July 21, 2022 3:25 pm
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Nothing for or against TM3 (you hear about him a lot here), but why do people think he would be ready to come in and replace Barnes (an above average actual NBA player) based on his SL play, but think that Keon Ellis needs time in Stockton? Not saying Keon is ready, but seems like a 2x standard. Maybe it’s just that TM3 has shot well in the NBA (pretty limited but still). Genuinely curious! Seems like a short-term step back to me, but maybe the upside is worth it?

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July 21, 2022 3:41 pm
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What about Barnes for P J Washington and Kelly Obrue JR. Washington backs up Murray and can play some 5. Obrue backs up Huerter and plays pretty good defense. That leaves Holmes to back up Sabonis. If Holmes is willing. I really like the guy. Mr. Hustle and more.

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July 22, 2022 5:41 pm
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not sure if this works in trade machine and no way Char does this-
Oubre plays no D.

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July 22, 2022 5:39 pm
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no way Hawks do this.
Murphey is ok but is he top flight material?

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July 21, 2022 11:40 am
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given the Kings have about $137 million committed

Where are you getting this number? It is not even close to what Spotrac is showing

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/sacramento-kings/cap/2023/

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July 22, 2022 1:02 pm
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It’s called making up things to fit your narrative. Spend time on Twitter, you’ll recognize this phenomenon rather quickly I assure you!

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July 22, 2022 1:28 pm
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Yeah, I can see his agenda. He did not have to make up numbers though.

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July 22, 2022 1:53 pm
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Every time I go on Twitter I realize how ignorant people truly are..unfortunately it’s usually regarding a social (aka political) issues that suck me in. Every take is so extreme and void of any thought or true objectivity. I last about 3 minutes and leave.

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July 23, 2022 8:32 am
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I mostly do it to be a smartass. And to call Rory the greatest Kings princess ever.

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July 22, 2022 6:59 pm
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To the 24/7 blogger. The Kings currently have 12 players under contract who salaries for the 2022-2023 season total just under $128 million. Fox $30.3, Sabonis 18.5, Barnes 18.4, Huerter 14.5, Holmes $11.2, Monk 9.4, Murray 8.0, Mitchell 4.8, Davis 4.0, Len 3.9, Lyles 2.6, Metu 1.9, Ellis on two way and Moneke. The escalation of Fox, Sabonis, Huerter, Holmes, Murray, Mitchell is about $9 mil. Next year. Barnes , Lyles, Len, Davis, and Metu potentially come off the payroll next year. If they extend Sabonis after the season he’s likely to get an additional $14 mil a year.

I’ve never been on twitter but I’m surprised you have time for that let alone a real job. If you want to learn something about basketball come to my high school camp in Reno the second week of August, which will have close to a 100 kids from at least 20 different high schools.

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July 23, 2022 9:11 am
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To the 24/7 blogger.

So, if all I do is blog 24/7, am I not allowed to do other things? Eat, sleep, jack off to my Neve Campbell Party of 5 poster, things like that? I’m just asking for my little friend since he’d likely get lonely if all I did was spend my time here 24/7. Also, I’d run out of coffee and that’d be a tragedy. The running out of the coffee, not drinking it constantly, to be clear.

The Kings currently have 12 players under contract who salaries for the 2022-2023 season total just under $128 million. Fox $30.3, Sabonis 18.5, Barnes 18.4, Huerter 14.5, Holmes $11.2, Monk 9.4, Murray 8.0, Mitchell 4.8, Davis 4.0, Len 3.9, Lyles 2.6, Metu 1.9, Ellis on two way and Moneke

As the resident jacking off 24/7 blogger with no life, no understanding of basketball (I’m skipping your camp btw, I prefer ignorance to having to throw up listening to you drone on about your marvelous hoop knowledge), there are a few things in here one must understand.

Queta and Ellis are both Two-Way Contracts (TWC) and thus do not count towards team salary.

The Kings currently have Fox, Sabonis, Barnes, Huerter, Monk, Holmes, Murray, Mitchell, Davis, Len, Lyles, Metu and Moneke under contract. Okpala hasn’t officially signed yet, but it’s July and there’s no hurry.

That’s 14 players, and even though Okpala hasn’t signed officially, it’s presumed he’s at the minimum salary at 1.902M. This puts the Kings at 130,616,875M for the season as of now assuming Okpala’s salary as I listed it remains true.

Now if your 137M number was the total budget for basketball operations, well, I highly doubt that too. I do not know what the total budget is for the basketball operations side of things, but I do know that 137M is a very bad guess. I would say it’s probably a minimum of 145M between McNair and the rest of the FO, Brown and the rest of his coaching staff, and all the ancillary costs of running a NBA team.

And frankly, 145M feels way too low, too. I don’t have access to the books, and if I did I wouldn’t tell you anyway. I’d stick out my tongue at you and yell ‘nah nah’ then cruise away in my Ferrari (which in real life I would never consider purchasing) with the 25 year old chick with fake tits on my arm (that’s at least worth considering assuming she has a ‘nice’ personality).

Anyway, nah nah.

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July 23, 2022 3:27 pm
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Rec’d for jerking off to Neve Cambell when she was low key sexy, before she ended up looking like a mom from Connecticut

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July 23, 2022 4:40 pm
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I was 18. Shaddup. 😂 😂 😂

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July 21, 2022 4:25 pm
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Here’s my question for you all who understand better than me: It used to be that expiring contracts used to be considered to be more valuable, I think since they gave the teams more flexibility with the books and the cap. Now it seems they are much less valuable. Was this due to a change in the rules or the agreements, or owner philosophy?

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July 22, 2022 5:37 pm
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Re-build: Agree on throwing Murray into the mix right away. This is not unusual with rookies and a far less risk with him due to his demeanor and maturity.
Barnes’s value might be higher- depends on what the trade partner wants.
There is no way in god’s earth that the duds trade for Barnes and Holmes for Moody and Wiggins. They believe that their wonder-child “James” is ready for a breakout year, that Wiggins needs to cover for Kuminga for this year at least and that Moody is another “gem”. This is a team that over-values their guys and under values others. So no way.
I would do it, but not them. Lacob is too busy whining to the NBA about how spending over the luxury tax threshold is not his fault because he drafted MOST of the high priced players. We didn’t buy a team, he states, we just paid more than anyone else. Huh???

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July 21, 2022 5:58 pm

Kings: Isaac
Magic: HB

Kings: Oubre
Hornets: Holmes

Fox, Mitchell
Monk, TD
Huerter, Oubre
Keegan, Isaac, Lyles
Sabonis, Len

I think these moves would better balance out the roster and you get the potential of Isaac who if he can get healthy would provide the necessary D with the other core player’s defensive deficiencies (Fox, Sabonis, Keegan?). You’d have two (Mitchell, Isaac) stud defenders around the offensive talents. A closing lineup of the following would be interesting:

Fox
Mitchell
Keegan / Huerter
Isaac
Sabonis

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July 21, 2022 6:15 pm
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I agree with Adamsite that Murray is not a three. Could move Keegan down with Issac then move Obrue with Huerter. Now you have 2 PF,s and 2 SF’s Murray starts and Issac comes in as a backup defensive stopper. Obrue comes in for Huerter. Doesn’t score as much but again is a hustler and good defender.

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July 21, 2022 7:00 pm
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PS With Lyles and Metu I would still go after Trey Murphy 3. Also would like to see Queta backup Len and play some meaningful minutes.

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July 21, 2022 7:11 pm
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Oh Geez stop with this paradigm of traditional positioning it doesn’t matter. Keegan appears to have a good rebounding radius and the ability to guard smaller and bigger players. Just worry if the lineup can shoot, defend, rebound, distribute and run the court. This Collins move you keep wanting is you being got up in some traditional positioning that is antiquated.

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July 22, 2022 8:56 am
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Positioning matters if a guy like Keegan, who is a natural fit at power forward, is entirely likely to have a very difficult time guarding, hyper-athletic wings. Murray is going to be a good defender, but he will be at a disadvantage covering wings. most of whom are quicker than he.

You can call Sabonis a point guard for all I care, but I sure as hell don’t want him covering Steph or Morant.

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July 22, 2022 10:07 am
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Well said. Yes, basketball has grown more positionless, but a lot of that is on the offensive end. That’s why we now have 7 foot “unicorns” who can run the offense, play the perimeter, and hit from three. They aren’t traditional post banging centers anymore.

IMO, when it comes to the defensive end, however, roles are still more rigidly defined. You don’t want those “unicorns” defending speedy guards on the perimeter. In Keegan’s case, he is a long solid rebounder and looks to be a good weak side rim protector. You want him with Sabonis defending the paint, not chasing around quick wings that will beat him off the dribble.

Like you said, call them whatever you want, but I’d stick to that on the offensive end.

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July 22, 2022 1:06 pm
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You can call Sabonis a point guard for all I care, but I sure as hell don’t want him covering Steph or Morant.

You’re such a liar Sims. You know you’re only in this for the comedy of it at this point.

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July 22, 2022 3:43 pm
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There’s almost more than I can stand here, some days.

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July 23, 2022 8:45 am
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Yep, me too in that regard. It’s why Twitter is such a great outlet.

Shit, bad example. Nevermind. Real life, that works still, right? Let’s go with that.

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July 22, 2022 5:44 pm
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position less basketball is great for offense but not so for defense which is half the battle. The position a guy plays is based on who he can guard. Murray can guard 4’s, not 3’s.

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July 21, 2022 7:59 pm
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I think Keegan, Isaac and Sabonis could play together, especially with Fox and Davion in the back court you’d want that extra size up front.

The John Collins ship has sailed and he really doesn’t fit with the core anymore anyways.

Overall, I think MM needs to continue going after undervalued players on fair contracts (Monk, Huerter) for long term upside which is why I like the idea of going after Isaac.

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July 22, 2022 2:11 am
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Why would Orlando or Charlotte be interested in those deals? Charlotte has centers and uncertainty at the wing. Barnes for Isaac doesn’t benefit Orlando much more than a salary dump.

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July 22, 2022 6:51 am
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I agree that Charlotte may not have interest in trading for Holmes.
As far as ORL trading for HB, I think it makes sense. They need vet leadership, they’re trying to make the playoffs and HB provides that. Just look at their roster, there’s a major imbalance of young guys to vets. I also don’t get how a lot of King’s fans seem to view HB as a negative (as abovementioned by Andy), HB is a damn good player on a good contract that expires next offseason. I view HB as an asset.

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July 22, 2022 7:09 am
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Playoffs?! Slow down on the Banchero love there. That team still sucks.

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July 22, 2022 8:57 am
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Yeah, Suggs ain’t it.

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July 22, 2022 12:01 pm
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That may be true. But I think we can agree it’s WAY too early to say that. I mean, he just put up basically the same season Fox did at his age/experience.

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July 22, 2022 3:51 pm

Maybe so, but Suggs isn’t remotely the player, nor the athlete that Fox is.

I remember all of the hype around him ahead of the 2021 NCAA tournament, watching him and thinking, he could be a nice rotational piece in the NBA. He was being talked about in the top three, and I think that he went too high at five.

Hell, even Fox never shot 21% from three for a season.

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July 22, 2022 4:21 pm
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Obviously, it’s hard to compare a rookie to a vet. I mean, aside from the ultra-hyped UCLA game Fox was pretty poor in the tourney as well. While Fox is a better run and jump athlete, Suggs is an excellent athlete with significantly more functional strength. And I’m not sure if a 20-year-old rookie shooting .214 from 3 suggests a darker outlook than a 5-year vet shooting .297. Ultimately, well, we’ll see. Suggs, like most 20-year-olds, has a lot of development needed.

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July 24, 2022 12:04 pm

 And I’m not sure if a 20-year-old rookie shooting .214 from 3 suggests a darker outlook than a 5-year vet shooting .297.

Player A:

MPG: 27.2
TS%: 45.5%
eFG%: 40%
USG%: 25.3%
OBPM: -5.3
DBPM: -0.2
ORtg: 88
DRtg: 112
AST%: 24.9%
TOV%: 18.7%
WS/48: -.060

Player B:

MPG: 27.8
TS%: 47.8%
eFG%: 44.1%
USG%: 23.4%
OBPM: -2.7
DBPM: -1.5
ORtg: 94
DRtg: 113
AST%: 24.6%
TOV%: 16.4%
WS/48: -.014

This isn’t an argument pointing out who is better. It’s obvious who was better their rookie year. The point is, Suggs was worse by a considerable margin.

Perhaps the most important point made here is that De’Aaron played 25 more games his rookie year than Suggs did. Maybe that adjustment is coming with Suggs, but he does not scream star and I’ll be far more surprised by him making the kind of leap than De’Aaron. Unless there’s something I’m missing here which is possible. I didn’t watch Orlando much so I didn’t see Suggs much his rookie year.

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July 22, 2022 12:00 pm
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They aren’t good at the moment, but it doesn’t take a whole lot of squinting to see them close to a play-in this year if Fultz and Isaac are healthy (big IF). Normal development curves from guys like Carter Jr, Anthony, Okeke, and Suggs would see them improve quit a bit. They have interesting upside guys in Bol and Houstan. IF Banchero has a good-not-elite rookie season, let’s say something like Wagner’s, they could easily break into the backend of the playoffs. Then, the following year, they could potentially trade from their young Front Court depth (Banchero, Wagner, Isaac, Carter Jr., Bamba, Bol) and use their 2 picks (assuming the Bulls’ pick conveys) to add impact backcourt/wing talent.

All that said, I don’t think any of that means they’d be all that interested in Barnes. I think they’ll happily give all their young guys a ton of time this season and see where it takes them in the standings.

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July 22, 2022 2:18 pm

Well put. ORL has a crap ton of talent and high lottery picks. Decent chance a few of them pop. The bottom half of the East isn’t all that impressive, so not far fetched for them to push for a playoff spot.

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July 22, 2022 2:17 pm
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I’m not saying they’ll make the playoffs but I’m sure that’s what they’re shooting for.

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I just look at that team and think “maybe if a few of those guys really turn things around they could be good NBA players.” I tend to think they have one of the worst rosters in the league – partially because of all the injury prone guys they have. I think they’ll be playing tons of young guys and hoping for Ls and development…a good strategy for them!

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I see your point but I disagree, I see a roster with a lot of potential. I’d take their roster over ours. We’ll see how it plays out.

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July 22, 2022 3:50 pm
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What level/amount of play would Isaac have to show to be worth Barnes? If he is playing that well, would Orlando part with him for a rental player?

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If he’s playing well, he’s worth significantly more than Barnes. I’d say if there were to be a moment he’s worth Barnes, it would have been now or even last season. Or if he comes back but doesn’t quite look like his old self. But even then, an expiring Barnes doesn’t make much sense for ORL unless Isaac is bad enough that they’re mostly just trying to get out from under his deal. And, in that case, I doubt the Kings would be interested.

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July 22, 2022 10:28 am
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I think that Mason Plumlee is currently Charlotte’s “best” center, unless I missed a recent signing.

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July 22, 2022 10:30 am
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I mean, they drafted Mark Williams, but he’s probably a year or two away from potentially attaining Holmes’ level as an NBA player.

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July 22, 2022 3:53 pm
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I like Williams a lot. He already does most of the center skills well, and I’d be surprised if he didn’t become at least a league-average shooter from three in a couple of years.

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July 22, 2022 3:58 pm
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If they believe in Jalen McDaniels enough to lose Oubre it could happen.

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July 22, 2022 12:04 pm
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I don’t see any reason the Magic would be in a hurry to sell low on Isaac based on their context.

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July 23, 2022 7:54 am

Agreed, just a hopeful potential trade that I hope happens, although very unlikely.

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July 22, 2022 5:59 pm

Great review of summer league. I’ve never been a fan of tanking. I think there are better ways to build a team than waiting for a bunch of 20 year olds to grow up. That said, I know I don’t know everything about basketball. I still like Harrison Barnes at the 3 and think the Kings could even resign him. He just turned 30 and he’s probably good for one more contract. A Kings starting lineup of Fox, Huerter, Barnes, Murray and Sabonis, with a second unit of Mitchell, Monk, Davis, Lyles (or Metu) and Holmes sounds like it could be competitive. How does that translate to win totals? That’s why they play the games.

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July 22, 2022 11:20 pm
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Barnes is, of course, a consummate professional, and what’s more, still a pretty good basketball player.

I don’t have any idea how Barnes feels about staying around, even if doing so nets him the most money. He’d probably love to win with these young guys he’s been around, but may also want to look for a more promising situation. Can’t blame a guy for that.

If he’d like to stay, I’d like to have him, if the money is right. I think he’s going to be great for Murray, both for basketball, and for being a damned fine human. I expect that if he’s traded, the org will try to put him into a good situation if at all possible.

Nothing but respect for HB, no matter how he wants to play it.

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July 23, 2022 2:51 pm
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If HB has intimated to the FO that he wants to resign here then I’d keep him, if he hasn’t done that then I would look to move him. Seems like an easy decision for MM based off this common sense logic.

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July 23, 2022 9:58 am

Ugh! I hate to spoil everyone’s weekend, but it looks like the Kings still need to address significant cultural issues within the organization outside on-court play.

https://twitter.com/JandersonSacBee/status/1550622720924139520?cxt=HHwWgICq1cXJ9YQrAAAA

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July 23, 2022 12:15 pm
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Man, fuck this organization.

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July 23, 2022 2:47 pm

You’re welcome to stop supporting it if you feel that strongly about dropping F bombs.

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July 23, 2022 3:35 pm
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Uh, I have been? I’ve been out on the team since Walton was hired. I drop by every now and then to comment or ask questions, but I haven’t materially or financially supported the team at all since Joerger was fired, and that was, what, at least a few world ending events ago now?

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July 23, 2022 7:11 pm
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No, he can call this organization fucked up all he wants, because it is.

As a fan you are allowed to complain about a team and point out their problems while continuing being a fan.

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July 23, 2022 2:12 pm
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I read the article at sac bee.com. What’s interesting is that it implicates not just the person who harassed her, but also people “up the line” of command and responsibility to whom she was supposed to report the harassment and who were supposed to do something to stop it. As I recall she did receive an apology from Bobby Jackson, but no one else comes out looking very good. You don’t necessarily have to go with SMF-PDX, but as an anti-sexist person, it can make you wonder who you are cheering for.

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July 23, 2022 2:49 pm
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As was the case with what occurred with Richaun, I wouldn’t jump to conclusions. Let the judicial process play out, always two sides to the story. Hopefully the truth comes out and is verified, whatever it is.

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July 23, 2022 5:30 pm
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This is very different from Richaun’s case. Story based on a legal brief, not an interview. The harasser as well as the person harassed were fired. I have been in big institutions, and the bosses’ first instinct (and usually the last) is to maintain the image of the organization, cover things up, get people to shut up in order to preserve their job; most do, and that’s why bosses do it. Every now and then someone fights back.

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July 23, 2022 3:13 pm
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No idea of the truth of the situation, but the team has an abysmal record over the last five years re:players and coaches with domestic violence and sexual assault allegations. I imagine there will be a settlement and that we’ll never know any more than we do today.

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July 23, 2022 4:28 pm
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Don’t forget about the executive who stole $13M from the team a few years ago. It seems this organization keeps tripping over their own shoelaces.

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July 24, 2022 7:40 am
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Dismissive little chaps.

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July 24, 2022 12:08 pm
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The one constant during this whole time has been Vivek, yet the media seems to give him a pass over everything. All the BS that’s occurred under his watch and there are probably additional ethically questionable incidents that have not come to light.
How he is beyond reprieve is odd. He needs to be ousted by the minority owners, I know they don’t have the authority to do that but something needs to give.

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July 23, 2022 10:42 am

thanks for unlocking some thoughts on Kee, KE and Que.

Time to let the long slow hot Summer content breeze in and out. Thanks TKH for being there.

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July 25, 2022 9:29 pm

I still think Ivey has the higher ceiling and same floor. Kings roster is still not very good honestly, not too optimistic about this year but if they can show improvement and growth under Brown they may be on the right track.

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