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Richaun Holmes is still likely to stay in Sacramento, per report

The latest chatter suggest the Kings may keep their starting center.
By | 271 Comments | Aug 2, 2021

Credit: Nell Redmond-USA TODAY Sports

NBA free agency begins today at 3 PM PT. Deal won’t be made official until August 6th, but we’re sure to see a flurry of agreements over the next couple of days. For the Sacramento Kings, all eyes have been on the market for Richaun Holmes. Now, according to The Athletic’s Jason Jones, the current chatter suggests Holmes is likely to stay in Sacramento.

A league source said the chatter among league executives is that Holmes is likely staying in Sacramento, but as last week’s failed trade with the Lakers showed, things can change quickly in the NBA. If another team offers Holmes something north of four years and $60 million, that might be enough to get him out of Sacramento, especially if the Kings cannot shed more salary and create space to offer Holmes a bigger deal.

If this sounds familiar, it’s because we heard a similar report just a few days ago. But considering how quickly things can change in the free agency landscape, it’s still worth noting that the news is staying consistent.

Barring some cap-clearing trades, the Kings main mechanism to retain Holmes is to re-sign him using his Early Bird Rights. Our Tim Maxwell previously broke down those numbers here.

Retaining Holmes is important to the Kings’ playoff hopes for next season. If the Kings lose Holmes, they’ve been reported as having interest in Nerlens Noel as a replacement, but Noel would be a downgrade over what Holmes has brought to the Kings.

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RobHessing
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August 2, 2021 8:54 am

If the market dries up for Holmes (and Dragic to Toronto could eliminate a prime destination for him), he could take the early bird deal or sacrifice a million-plus and security to take a 1 year MLE and hit free agency again next year (my guess is that he would take the former over the latter).

I like watching Holmes play, and his parents seem to be the only adults in the room on Twitter. At the price that the Kings can pay, Holmes would be a very nice deal.

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August 2, 2021 8:57 am
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I actually believe Holmes when he says he loves Sacramento and really wants to stay here. 99.9% of the time, it is stupid to bank on an athlete’s loyalty outweighing the desire for financial gain (and who can blame them?). In Holmes’ case, the 0.1% might actually be correct.

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August 2, 2021 9:12 am
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Part of me wonders if the possible acquisition of Tristan Thompson may give Holmes second thoughts about staying. TT will likely eat into Holmes’ minutes, especially if Metu and Jones are retained. Could Holmes possibly be thinking, “they are already trying to replace me.”

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August 2, 2021 9:15 am
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If you saw Thompson play last year, you would have no worries about TT getting Holmes’ minutes. Only an idiot would give Thompson floor time over Holmes.comment image
Er…um…never mind.

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August 2, 2021 9:17 am
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I also think only an idiot would trade for TT and his contract, yet here we are.

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August 2, 2021 9:19 am
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Well, the ink is not dry yet on that deal. Maybe he backs out or gets something better???????

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August 2, 2021 9:30 am
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Nothing like dodging a bullet despite the best/worst effort of our FO. Hope springs eternal.

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August 2, 2021 1:20 pm
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So if Holmes re-signs, it’s in spite of the front office?

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August 2, 2021 1:22 pm
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Am I talking about Holmes? I am talking about TT.

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August 2, 2021 11:30 am
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Maybe TT does not want to come here, and Monte has to rework this deal…we can only hope.

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August 2, 2021 12:14 pm
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I’ve been trying to stay patient but I must say the more time that goes by the more I suspect McNair is another dud. Not ready to pass a final judgement, he’ll get at least another year out of me to show his stuff, but I haven’t felt very inspired the past two offseasons or at the trade deadline.

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August 2, 2021 9:31 am
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I think there is zero percent chance this is in his consideration about signing with Kings. There’s a million other reasons to be concerned about tying yourself to the Kings for 4 years.

If Holmes is actually worried about losing minutes to Tristan Thompson, then he is free to go.

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August 2, 2021 12:09 pm
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If Holmes is losing minutes to Tristan Thompson, he isn’t worth a minimum deal let alone a deal around 4/48. (Assuming the new deal starts around 10.7 million, Holmes will make about 60 K under 48 million. 47,936,000 to be exact. I calculated this using 8% raises as teams with EBR’s are allowed to do Tim, and yes, I’ve been doing this longer than you boyo. I know what I’m doing.)

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August 2, 2021 10:56 am
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I believe him, but I believe if there was a larger deal out there, he’d still take it. Sounds like that may not be the case.

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August 2, 2021 9:38 am
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How many years before Sacramento has his full bird rights?

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August 2, 2021 9:44 am
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One. They can do a contract with a player option the 2nd year and then have full Bird rights.

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August 2, 2021 12:35 pm
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Can’t do that. The contract has to be at least 2 years in length specifically to avoid teams using the EBR’s to avoid the scenario you presented.

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August 2, 2021 1:17 pm
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Could do a 1+1 however, with a player option, different route but you get to the same place (with a tad more security than a plain old one year deal.)

Thats sort of what I expect to happen if in fact he stays (1+1, player option)

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August 2, 2021 1:45 pm
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You can’t do that unless you already have a guy like LeBron on a max deal and you aren’t renouncing his Bird Rights.

If you renounce Holmes to get him to a bigger contract number to get him on this 1 + 1 scenario, that player has to have a large contract already to work. That’s why it worked for LeBron. If you are signing a large enough deal, there’s not much difference in having non-Bird, early-Bird or full-Bird rights. The max is the max is the max. It’s why Kawhi Leonard signed a 2 year deal. The max is the max is the max.

Also, if you renounce Holmes EBR’s, you reset his Bird clock to 3 years down the line. I just don’t see any way that scenario works unless I’m missing something (which I might be).

I suppose it’s possible your scenario comes into play using the MLE but that starts at a lower salary and with less security and Holmes would have to be betting on himself to get a better payday in 2022 than he is this summer. I doubt that happens.

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August 2, 2021 8:54 am

I will stay pessimistic because every time I get my hopes up about this team, they come crashing down. when the ink is dry, I will decide how I want to feel about it.

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August 2, 2021 8:58 am
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Same.

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August 2, 2021 1:47 pm
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From your lips to God’s ears.

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August 2, 2021 8:55 am

Fingers crossed some desperate team doesn’t throw a huge overpay at Holmes, which, ironically, is what the Kangz would probably do if they were looking for a center.

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August 2, 2021 8:59 am
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August 2, 2021 1:37 pm
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Pictured: Delon Wrong. 🙁

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August 2, 2021 8:57 am

Words.

We shall see.

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August 2, 2021 8:57 am

If we can hold onto Richaun for 2 to 4 years this FA, you know what I’ll be saying?

“We won! We won! We won we won we won!”

Looking forward to (hopefully) securing Mr. Holmes for many years to come!

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August 2, 2021 9:02 am

Getting Holmes on the Early Bird Deal would be a great coup for Monte. Whether a stroke of blind luck or not, it would be a big win for him and the FO.

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August 2, 2021 9:11 am

So, if we keep Holmes but also end up keeping Buddy and Bagley, how many “Kings insiders” and local folks will be declaring victory?

HC – Luke Walton

Fox/Mitchell
Hali/Buddy
Barnes/Moe
Bagley/Metu
Holmes/(TT)Jones
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August 2, 2021 9:12 am
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12th seed here we come!!!

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August 2, 2021 9:20 am
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“We need to see this play out for another year. Last year we did a couple of really nice things, taking the BPA in the draft and locking up Holmes. Those are good things and we need another year to evaluate those important moves and see what Luke can do with them.”

– A bunch of media folks on April 14, 2022

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August 2, 2021 9:24 am
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Yikes

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August 2, 2021 9:35 am
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It takes time to build as a team, as players, as a coach, as a GM, but with us sticking together like we said, if you cut those nine-game losing streaks into 3-6, or hell, even 2-7, you know we’re in an entirely different position and that’s already being built upon from where we were last year to where we are this year.

– A franchise player in May 2020.

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August 2, 2021 9:52 am
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Ugh. I’m surprised how open I am to trading Fox for Ben Simmons, and this quote (and the mentality it implies) are a significant reason why. We need more insanely competitive, steaming-angry-when-losing players on this team. I’m glad we drafted Davion Mitchell for this reason alone.

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August 2, 2021 10:02 am
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Current team makeup is soft, more than happy to “cashing them checks”

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August 2, 2021 11:07 am
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I posted this 2 days ago on another thread. The more the draft shock wears away, the more I am open to a Fox for Simmons trade. Hell, then target Miles Turner with Buddy and Barnes and a pick?

Davion
Hali
Simmon
Turner
Barnes

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August 2, 2021 11:09 am
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Didn’t you just trade Barnes away?

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August 2, 2021 11:59 am

He probably means Holmes.

Very rough spacing in that squad lol

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August 2, 2021 12:29 pm
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I think fox is trying not to lose his mind as the kangz franchise player. He can’t carry the team so he probably just doesn’t want to hate his job. Simmons would be good, but if you’re looking for someone who is less complacent I don’t know if he’s the guy either
I really wish fox didn’t advocate so strongly for Luke though. That was a bit disappointing

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August 2, 2021 1:22 pm
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This shit again.

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August 2, 2021 4:22 pm
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I wouldn’t stay married to someone if I had no respect for them, and they were having a negative effect on my mental health, and my life in general. If you feel that you deserve better, I encourage you to make that happen. You aren’t so objectionable that you don’t deserve to be happy.

You aren’t happy here. For a lot of people, you’ll never be happy here.

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August 2, 2021 4:57 pm
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Context, shmontext.

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August 2, 2021 9:56 am
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Moe? Did we resign Harkless?

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August 2, 2021 9:57 am
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Yup. Like I said, we were big FA winners in this scenario!

😉

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August 2, 2021 10:05 am
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Thank god I’m like the Al Bundy of sport’s fanning and can just live on the memories of 99-2004. Otherwise I would just continue to be miserable

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August 2, 2021 9:54 am

Which member has been saying this? Hmm …

https://twitter.com/massey_evan/status/1422215346216394753

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August 2, 2021 10:02 am
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Could the holdup of the TT deal hinge on a possible 76ers deal? Buddy, TT and filler for Tobias?

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August 2, 2021 10:07 am
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Can filler=Bagley please?

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August 2, 2021 10:59 am
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I was actually for a Buddy/Delon package for Tobias. I think Delon makes sense for what Philly needs too.

Buddy, Delon, Bagley for Tobias/filler would be a great add.

I just want HB and Tobias together as our wings.

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August 2, 2021 11:15 am
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Delon could be a great piece to any package for better talent, which is why it is so maddening that he would be traded straight up for TT.

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August 2, 2021 11:25 am
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Agreed, I thought Delon could have netted Lonzo in a S&T or someone who provides an upgrade like Tobias Harris.

I sure hope McNair isnt being pushed around in negotiations. I am speculating, but maybe McNair is asking for more for Delon now.

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August 2, 2021 12:25 pm
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Buddy + Delon also works in a trade for Tobias Harris as well, FWIW.

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August 2, 2021 1:35 pm
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So does Buddy & Thompson.

It’s kind of funny seeing so much recent praise for beloved franchise fixture Delon Wright, now that he can’t be sent to Philly to get Harris. I guess I don’t understand why suddenly, the monkey wrench in getting Tobias Harris is because Wright has already been traded. Not because Harris is one of the best at his position, but because not getting back Delon Wright is a deal-breaker for Philadelphia.

I like Wright’s game, and liked having him on the roster, but I didn’t notice much discussion about his being the linchpin in deals to acquire vastly superior players. Until now.

No idea how this is going to shake out, but feel confident that whatever happens, it won’t have much to do with the disposition of Delon Wright.

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You should ask those specific individuals who you feel are being hypocritical on the subject.

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August 2, 2021 1:48 pm
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Technically Sims, Wright hasn’t been traded yet. So, if that’s the case, there’s a possibility that Wright could be included in that deal and the Kings end up with Tristan Thompson anyway.

That’s why I’m waiting to see what the roster ultimately looks like before commenting.

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August 2, 2021 12:24 pm
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Keep in mind Harris is making 35.995 million this season. You would need Buddy + Bagley just to get in the range of being able to legally make that deal. Or, you would also need to include a larger contract like a Tristan Thompson but the tricky part about that is if the Kings are over the cap when they trade for TT (assuming that’s still happening), they can’t trade him for 60 days with another player UNLESS they are under the cap in which case that wouldn’t apply.

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August 2, 2021 12:58 pm
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Unless the TT deal with ATL and Boston is expanded as part of a 4 team deal that includes Philly.

Delon goes to ATL and TT is routed to Philly along with Buddy and Bagley.

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August 2, 2021 1:40 pm
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That’s the other scenario in play, as well, Adam.

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August 2, 2021 4:24 pm
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I know Harris catches a lot of grief, but I would much, much prefer this deal over getting TT for no one knows why.

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TT is routed to Philly along with Buddy and Bagley

Can you make this happen? I’ll even buy you a beer!

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August 2, 2021 10:07 am
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They take Buddy and Bagley and we get Tobias and their 2022 first round pick? I would take that… otherwise I don’t think salaries work as buddy is like 22 mill and Harris is 32 mill

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August 2, 2021 10:08 am
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Um, why are we getting their 1st in that scenario?

I’d be ecstatic just to get Harris for Buddy/Bagley and we might need to give up future considerations to get it done!

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Very much this 😂

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August 2, 2021 11:21 am
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Because I want to be greedy and feel like we need something of value for Bagley, besides salary filler. I’d be happy with just getting Harris for Buddy and Bagley. We desperately need another player tht can play the 3/4 role tht Barnes plays

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August 2, 2021 10:12 am
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I don’t think the 76ers include any kind of pick.

I’d like to see Buddy, Bagley and TT for Harris and Seth Curry. It works numbers wise.

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August 2, 2021 10:57 am
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Personally, I think Tobias is a bit overrated (after being underrated the vast majority of his career) and his contract is ugly (I’m just generally not a huge fan of paying max dollars to a player that isn’t a high level ball handler and/or a elite defender), BUT this does give the Kings an upgrade as Harris is basically the better version of Barnes and frees up Barnes a bit for use as a trade asset.

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August 2, 2021 11:05 am

It’s a massive overpay for sure. I just think there are only so many ways that the Kings can upgrade the talent on the roster before the season.

Fox/Mitchell
Hali/Delon or TD
Barnes
Harris/Metu
Holmes/Jones

I see that as a talent upgrade that actually puts them in a position to overcome Luke Walton and compete for the playoffs.

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August 2, 2021 11:17 am
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I’m realizing that I’m getting to the point where my standards are dropping. I don’t think Harris is a great player and he’s WAY overpaid IMO, but at this point I really just want to see some kind of substantive move towards some kind of coherent vision. It doesn’t have to be my personal favorite vision. Just something that gives evidence that there’s a viable plan in place. Then maybe a move or three that acknowledges that the current team isn’t good enough and some relatively significant changes are needed to find success.

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August 2, 2021 11:21 am

Same. A year ago I would have taken a hard pass on Tobias. Now, I just want some kind of evidence that proves to me that the front office acknowledges that the current construct of the team is pathetic and drastic changes need to be made.

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August 2, 2021 11:05 am

Plus his contract would come off the books if and when Hali would need to be extended. For me he doesn’t really hurt the Kings cap future, especially with the cap likely to go up and teams handing out $50M a year extensions.

I have to say a Fox, Hali, Barnes, Harris, Holmes lineup may the best we’ve seen since the glory years.

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No way in hell they are including Seth Curry in a deal to us.

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100% agreed.

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August 2, 2021 5:00 pm
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They’d need him to back up Hield, or as a third guard in a small-ball offense alongside Buddy.

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Maybe Monte could pull a Pelinka and pull out of the trade at the last minute.

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August 2, 2021 10:12 am

hashtag not my money

https://twitter.com/JayMarZZ/status/1422243207648210945

I am totally cool with 4/$50m. $12.5 per works for me!

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August 2, 2021 10:20 am
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That would be a great value contract, but I have to think Holmes could make more than that elsewhere.

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August 2, 2021 10:23 am
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So what you’re saying is Holmes will find a new Holme?

😉

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August 2, 2021 11:58 am
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Excellent.

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He’s on the move. #MobileHolmes

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Holmeward Bound
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People keep saying we need more dogs on the team.

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August 2, 2021 1:41 pm

WOOF.

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August 2, 2021 2:10 pm

I thought we needed more G.O.A.T.s?

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August 2, 2021 1:06 pm
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It’s going to suck being Holme-less.

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August 2, 2021 1:20 pm
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Oh he’s got multiple options, it’s definitely Holmes.

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August 2, 2021 10:25 am
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I think there is a lot of speculation on the market for him but I doubt anyone really knows how robust it will be.

We shall see.

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August 2, 2021 10:26 am
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It all depends. He is not a first tier FA, and the teams with $ will be making moves for better players. He could wind up being a plan B for a team like NY, SA or Dal.

The “nice” thing about the early bird rights is that it basically forces the Kings into offering a fair value deal, roughly $47m (give or take) over four years. If anyone can beat that, my guess is that Holmes is gone, and the Kings avoid a massive overpay to retain him.

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August 2, 2021 10:52 am
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Think your right. Market feels really shallow for him right now. Dallas would seem out based on centers already on roster, unless they magically move Zinger. San Antonio has Poeltl for couple more years at a good number. He’s a decent starter. Doesn’t feel like lots more value getting Holmes. Possible though. Spurs have to spend money on something just to get to salary floor.

New York seems like most realistic place left, they have Mitchell Robinson already for one year and his free agency coming up. Wouldn’t feel like guaranteed starter there. They could do a 4-60, but they will be likely spending their time on targeting other players the first couple days of free agency. Does Richaun want to wait?

Richaun could wait and see if any of those develop after a few days and those teams whiff. I would guess Kings offer will always be there even if he is left with them as only option. If he wants to start for sure and play 30 mins a night, while getting decent money seems like his most likely destination.

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August 2, 2021 11:00 am
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My thoughts as well. That said one of these guard chasing teams could zag with their space. I think we will have a good estimation by the end of today. As offer sheets tie up books and or deals are announced, and quick if not already agreed to back up plans become signed. After the new car price barrage this afternoon I think it will be clear who will be his market.

I second Rob’s previous point. The Kings are in a relatively good position. They have a fair offer tabled that everyone can live with. If its beat it might not be wise business for us and we make do.

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I wonder if we might end up packaging TT with buddy and maybe bagz to someone like Dallas. Not entirely sure what we’d get back

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August 2, 2021 1:58 pm
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So welcome to Sacramento, Nerlens Noel!! :/

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August 2, 2021 5:25 pm
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nope- signed in NY for about 12 million per year.

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August 2, 2021 10:57 am
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Am I missing something? Is there a reason why they should make that offer now? Why not wait for what other offers he gets?

I thought we would abandon the practices of negotiating against ourselves with our new GM and special advisor to the owner.

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August 2, 2021 11:01 am
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Seriously! Why wouldn’t they pay 4/32 if that’s what they could get? Ideally, Holmes is the fifth best player on the team. At least try to pay him like it, so you don’t get into the Buddy Barnes mess again.

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August 2, 2021 11:03 am
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Because he is not restricted. Any team comes in with an offer around that, he could just choose to sign it and be gone. No negotiation, see ya later Kings.

IF you want him, you go in early with a fair offer which the Early Bird offer seems to be. Trying to nickel and dime and squeeze him over the next week him for 1-2 million a year is a poor practice for a player you value moving forward.

To Rosevillain, I can’t see you possibly getting him for something like 4/32 because other teams will have their Midlevel available in the 9-10 range. That would open up more suitors if it got that low.

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So you don’t believe he’d give the Kings a chance to match, after what they did for his career?

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August 2, 2021 11:08 am
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If the Kings didn’t come with a fair offer up front after what he did for them the last couple years (Underpaid, value contract), I would tell them to F off. They know what he is all about…if they don’t value you after those two years enough to give a good offer up front, I wouldn’t want to deal with that team.

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August 2, 2021 11:09 am
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But why do they have to be first?

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August 2, 2021 11:28 am
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Yeah, gotta love those 12 seeds. They started him and built him into the offense, when nobody else did, putting him in a position for this contract. Nice hindsight editing on your posts too, btw.

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August 2, 2021 11:32 am
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I wouldn’t make too many plans hoping for any player, or any in-demand employee in any market, taking a guilt discount.

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August 2, 2021 11:35 am

Never suggested discount. Just a chance to match or exceed.

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August 2, 2021 11:38 am
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Except this is the real world and people have feelings and emotions. By Kings not offering at least the EBR right away, you are telling him you have no desire to pay him what might be fair and really want a discount to keep him. Go get an offer and then please do come back to us and we will tell you if we want to match or go over that.

He is under zero obligation to do that and I think many employees wouldn’t feel valued or necessarily want go back to a company or team that did that.

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August 2, 2021 11:42 am
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I think the exception is if the team has to make these deals in a very specific order – hopefully, in that case all parties understand the franchise is attempting to both land the player at a fair salary AND use every avenue to put a better roster around him.

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August 2, 2021 1:02 pm
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For sure…He doesn’t have to be signed the minute free agency begins if they generally have an understanding. But to not communicate your potential offer with him and tell him, go find an offer, but please come back once you do, isn’t how it works.

And I know you know that : )

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August 2, 2021 1:52 pm
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I don’t see you and Otis having a debate about fairness. Just you and Rosevillian. LOL

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August 2, 2021 1:57 pm
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Haha. Otis and I disagree all the time, but he has a level headed point of view with evidence usually. Just differing viewpoints sometimes…though not in this case particularly.

In regards to other posters…some people just aren’t meant to get along and don’t communicate well together…and that’s OK 🙂 We move on.

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I think we agree on many things, probably a majority of things – but what fun is that to talk about?? 🙂

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August 2, 2021 2:14 pm
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That is very true…but just so we disagree right now I’ll say half!

Disagreements always stick out in people’s mind more than agreements.

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August 2, 2021 2:30 pm
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Disagreements always stick out in people’s mind more than agreements.

Oh man this is so true, I don’t even know where to begin.

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August 2, 2021 4:29 pm
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Oh man this is so true, I don’t even know where to begin.

Not true at all, and I know to begin right there! 😉

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August 2, 2021 2:29 pm
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People agree and disagree all the time. The biggest source of disagreement I have had with Otis, generally, is his use of on/off numbers and building around Ben Simmons.

I’ve seen worse disagreements like the Cousins era. That I can safely say I’m never doing again.

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August 2, 2021 2:31 pm
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De’Aaron Fox is a rich man’s DeMarcus Cousins. 🙂

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August 2, 2021 2:32 pm
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I’m not sure what I’d like to stab you more for right now. That heinous crime of a comment or being a FTG’s fan.

Probably being a FTG’s fan. You won’t be able to get away with besmirching Swipa like so much longer, I suspect.

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August 2, 2021 11:46 am
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I’m sure he’ll give the Kings every chance to exceed. But not “because of what they did for his career.”

Then, of course, give other teams every chance to exceed that.

Then give the Kings another chance to exceed that.

And so on.

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August 2, 2021 11:51 am

I would appreciate an organization helping me get to the next level. But maybe that’s just me.

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August 2, 2021 12:03 pm
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Appreciation does not require accommodation. Richaun is under no moral obligation to give the Kings a chance to match another team’s offer. He is an unrestricted free agent. The Kings are not his team at all as of 3 PM today. They are just another bidder for his services. If he doesn’t think like that, he is being financially irresponsible.

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August 2, 2021 12:04 pm
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Depends. Have you been hugely out producing your pay for the past two years? Also, are you among the top, say, 50 or so people in the world at what you do? If so, you may very well feel that two years of overproduction easily compensate your employer for the opportunity to get to the next level while making a shit ton of money off your labor.

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August 2, 2021 1:46 pm
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So if Holmes signs elsewhere for more money, he’s an ingrate?

If the man can get a deal for more than $12-13 million per year, I would be thrilled for him, encourage him to take it, and have no hard feelings at all. No matter what a player is being paid, his team makes multiples of that amount from having him on the team.

If the process seems mercenary, its because that’s the model that NBA front offices have created. The players should use all of the leverage they have to squeeze more from their billionaire bosses. As ever, they are the product that creates so much money.

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August 2, 2021 12:40 pm

You take advantage of the interest you’re receiving on the open market. Holmes will likely never be this “loved” by anybody ever again.

And, FWIW, if he signs the EBR deal, he’ll be at over 60 million dollars in career earnings. Not too shabby for a 38th overall pick. Many top 10 picks don’t even hit 50 million in career earnings let alone a 2nd round pick like Richaun.

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August 2, 2021 1:03 pm
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Yep.

And as you point out, most players drafted around there don’t get to a second contract. Much less a third. That said, I don’t think any player would or should think that way when negotiating their next deal.

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August 2, 2021 1:38 pm

That said, I don’t think any player would or should think that way when negotiating their next deal.’

No question. I wouldn’t think that way, I would assume you wouldn’t either BHE. I don’t expect Richaun Holmes to think that way, and it would be bad for him if he did. It’s not his obligation to give anyone a discount, you only have so many of these opportunities. Especially when you’re a player like him.

I was just offering context to the idea that it isn’t fair to only offer Holmes just his EBR’s. It’s plenty fair, this is all a business transaction and negotiating, nothing more.

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August 2, 2021 11:09 am
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First, he and his agent are aware of the max amount that the Kings can offer right now, so if a deal greater than that comes in, there is no real opportunity for the Kings to match.

Second, veteran NBA players have taken a discount to chase a ring. That would not be the case here. And this is really Holmes’ one chance to make as much money as he can, while he can.

I do not see him giving the Kings any consideration here. If the Kings wind up making the best offer, he stays. If there is a better offer out there, he goes.

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August 2, 2021 11:11 am
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Can’t the Kings create space if they had to? Also, this is the only place he has had success in his career. That has to mean something, right?

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August 2, 2021 11:14 am
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They have $8m in practical cap space right now. Holmes is a UFA, though the Kings retain his early Bird rights. As such, they are limited in what they can offer him. It is convoluted, but their current position pretty much hamstrings them into offering no better than a four year deal that starts at around $10.5m and then goes up 8% a year after that ($11.3m, $12.2m, $13.2m).

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August 2, 2021 12:29 pm
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As best as I can tell, based on EBR’s vs what the Kings could pay Holmes if they renounced the rights to him to get as far under the cap as possible, the EBR’s are about at 10.7 million. That’s how much cap space the Kings would have give or take a couple hundred thousand. That doesn’t take them to the 4/50 number mentioned either. It’s about 4/48.1-3 million or so.

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No. It means nothing. No one is going to allow themselves to be lowballed out of some misguided sense of loyalty. This is his one chance at a big payday. It would be foolish to not get every penny you can.

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August 2, 2021 11:37 am
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Again, never suggested discount Just a chance to match or exceed.

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August 2, 2021 12:08 pm
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But by letting the Kings know he will give them a chance to match/exceed, he is in effect telling the Kings they don’t need to bid anything at all unless another team does first. He is in a much better position if the Kings feel compelled to offer the max they can afford up-front–it sets a higher bar that other teams must clear in order to sign him.

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August 2, 2021 12:11 pm
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My guess is these parties understand both sides’ objectives and this isn’t adversarial.

The Kings will most likely put their MLE deal on the table, and we’ll see what the rest of the league offers.

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The EBR is worth about a million more and more than that with raises over the life of the deal.

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August 2, 2021 11:12 am
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This…and they should be first because last time I checked they are still THE KINGS and the Early Bird isn’t some crazy overpay. IF the Early Bird was something more like 4-65 or something, then yeah it might make sense to wait and do a bit more negotiation.

Not much to negotiate here. Take the EBR or not most likely. That said, if he gets a bigger offer I’m sure they will let Kings know and see if they want to clear space and go higher. But there is no reason not to make the initial EBR offer.

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August 2, 2021 11:24 am
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Thank you, but I am not clear if that answers my question.

With the first point, that knowlegde does not force the Kings to make an offer first, correct? It only sets the limit to what they can offer.

With the second point, if he only wants a contender (or strongly prefers to go to a contender), there is also no advantage in putting a deal on the table first, right?

The only advantages I see in putting a deal on the table quick is
a. to show commitment (which is weak, you can say you really want him but let the market set his price and still show commitment; or

b. to pressure him by offering a relatively high deal (but not the highest), and give him 24 hours to say yes or no. In which case you are still negotiating against yourself and even may give him leverage for a better deal elsewhere.

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August 2, 2021 11:41 am
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I really don’t see an issue with the timing of the offer. They can offer it only to him, and they are limited in what they can offer. The only reason the Kings need an answer is if they want to fill his slot by offering someone an MLE, and they would probably want to get onto that sooner than later.

I don’t see the timing of the offer as a sign of weakness. It is showing commitment to the extent that the Kings can offer it. And at 4/$47m, it ranges somewhere between good deal and fair deal. Barring an injury, it would never be a bad or albatross contract.

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August 2, 2021 11:51 am
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Okay, but my question is that if no-one else makes a serious offer, they can still offer less than the max Early Bird amount, no?
But that will be hard to do if they are the first to make an offer. Then they set the baseline.

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August 2, 2021 11:58 am
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OK. The MLE for this season is somewhere in the neighborhood of $9.5m, with 5% increases. It seems that there would be a robust market for Holmes at the MLE, as teams can exceed the cap to sign an MLE – they just need to stay below the tax. That would be a 4/$41m MLE. The max deal for the Kings would be around 4/$46-47m. So for less than $1.5m a year, you are taking out all of the teams that can offer an MLE. Seems pragmatic to set the bar there, unless you don’t think that Holmes is worth the money. At less than that, he might as well take the MLE and chase rings.

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August 2, 2021 12:06 pm
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Ah, now I see.
Yup, makes sense.
Thank you!!!

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August 2, 2021 1:18 pm
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“Sorry, you lost me at MLE. What is MLE? I know girl with that name, but she does not play basketball.”
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Emily, not MLE ..
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August 2, 2021 12:00 pm
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Yeah, when I was offered a new job at a good company, I went back to my current bad company and offered them a chance to match after all they did for my career.

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August 2, 2021 12:24 pm
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Except you forgot the part where your previous few jobs thought you were lousy and didn’t give you any opportunity. And that it might happen again.

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August 2, 2021 11:26 am
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It was hypothetical, mate.

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August 2, 2021 11:27 am
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And without being rude in my comment, I was just saying I don’t think it’s a good hypothetical, mate.

Geez

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Except there are players of Holmes level that sign for way less than that every year. It’s hardly out of bounds.

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August 2, 2021 11:43 am
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But it likely is in this particular situation. He is one of the best free agent centers on market and teams have access to the Midlevel exception, even if no one wanted to pay him 12-14 mill. There is no way he is not getting at least that from someone, thus he will be at 9.5-10 as a floor.

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August 2, 2021 10:33 am

Great news, except for the fact we were all giddy over the Hield deal a week ago and that exploded. Never trust the Kings front office to get a deal done until the ink is dry on the contract.

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I fear some dumb-dumb in the FO will smear the ink and make the signatures illegible, thus voiding the contract.

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Are you under the impression that McNair had proceeded in talks with the Lakers about the rumored deal, and blurted out, “You know, I’ll bet you guys could flip all of that to Washington for Russell Westbrook?”

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August 2, 2021 11:02 am

Correction: if some team offers north of 80 million it WILL be enough to get his out of Sacramento

Anything above 17 and no one wants him here

Id like less

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I think anything past 4/50 million is an overpay. And whoever signs him should make certain that he works to get his perimeter shooting together. A guy with his mechanics who shoots 80% from the free throw line ought to be able to knock down threes at a decent clip.

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August 2, 2021 2:34 pm
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Woud love to see the Kings create some offense that includes Holmes shoot the corner 3 more, specifically.

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I honestly believe he can really open things up for himself by taking 3-4 TPA per game, and knocking them down at a near-league-average rate. I know he’s not scared to do the work, and if he can force his defender to drift out of the paint when he fades toward the arc, that just makes things easier for his teammates.

Had he managed something like that last season, you’d need at least $15 mil per year to lock him up right now.

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August 2, 2021 1:13 pm

Cavs reportedly signing Jarrett Allen to roughly 5/$100m, according to Marc Stein.

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“Cavs planning to continue being the Cavs”

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That said, Allen & Mobley could be one hell of a front court of the future. They really have to figure out what the heck they’re going to do with Garland/Sexton though. Personally, I’d sell high on Sexton. But that’s because I’m not very high on Sexton.

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Yeah, I was being a bit pithy, because it looks like the type of contract they’ll be looking to get out from under in a few seasons. But Allen’s a good player, and probably not a huge overpay at $20m per year.

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Yeah. That feels like…alot. I think it doesn’t feel surprising because that was the rumor all along, but that still feels like you don’t love that contract in a few years as Garland and Mobley extensions come up.

Guess you worry about that later though.

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Cavngz?

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August 2, 2021 1:37 pm
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If that is the going price for big men, Holmes is about to get paid.

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August 2, 2021 1:52 pm
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Yeah, waiting to see if that is the market for the NBA or the market for Cleveland.

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It’s vewwwy, vewwwy quiet…

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NBA is crackin’ down!comment image

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No Woj tweets in four hours!

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If Woj ever died (sorry for dark comment), who would break the news?

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Your ability to find a meme/gif for any situation is an ELITE skill.

I’d offer you more than the MLE.

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HUGE announcement?

Given this team, that could literally be anything.

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August 2, 2021 2:58 pm

Is that Grant Napear’s music???

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No clue. I’m a millennial, I don’t listen to sports radio.

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Probably that Doug Christie is now an assistant coach. No, really.

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August 2, 2021 3:04 pm

Doug Christie has been added to the coaching staff. Not kidding.

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All kidding aside, he’s a subpar color announcer. I could see him being a bit more effective as an assistant coach. So this is at least half a win.

Although it’s transparently obvious he’s there to slide into the main chair when Luke gets the boot.

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August 2, 2021 5:12 pm
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Probably a fair number, and could be a nice fit with the Bulls.

Plus, he’ll only need to duck Fox twice a year now.

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I never thought there would be a robust market for Holmes. Maybe the tables have shifted in the Kings favor, regardless 3 years at 10 mil a year with a 3rd year team option is all I would pay.

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August 2, 2021 3:06 pm
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Do the Kings realize what day and time it is?

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August 2, 2021 4:37 pm
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Do they have any money to spend beyond Holmes? I’m sure they’ve made their offer and he’s shopping the market.

Besides, once you land Tristan Thompson, your offseason is over!

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August 2, 2021 3:09 pm
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To be fair, it’s probably the team’s biggest signing during a free agent period since 2003 (minus Vince Carter).

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August 2, 2021 3:14 pm
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Announcing that to kick off free agency is performance art.

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August 2, 2021 3:14 pm
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Or a major distraction.

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Hanlon’s Razor: never assume bad intentions when incompetence will suffice.

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August 2, 2021 3:17 pm
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“We’ll get the Christie thing done now, so when free agency starts tommorrow, we’ll hit the ground running with our brilliant, franchise-altering plans…what’s that?…you sure?…

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August 2, 2021 3:10 pm

That’s all it took to get Lonzo Ball?

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1422318234385227783

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August 2, 2021 5:13 pm
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I mean, that and $21 million per year.

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August 2, 2021 3:11 pm

There goes the possibility of Buddy to the Knicks.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1422318839795171337

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August 2, 2021 3:13 pm
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That’s an insane amount of money for a guy we will be nearing retirement at the end of the deal. Nearly $60M at age 37.

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August 2, 2021 3:39 pm
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Plus revenue from his Masterclass!

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Noel going back to NYK

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August 2, 2021 3:15 pm
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Wow, if Olynyk is worth that, what is Holmes gonna get?

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August 2, 2021 3:17 pm
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Is there money left?

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August 2, 2021 3:21 pm
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Raptors or Hornets? I don’t know.

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Not any more than that. Remember Olynyk can stretch the floor and is a better offensive player. Olynyk RPM .95, Holmes .94

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Well, with Olynyk making that much, looks like Holmes is about to sign somewhere for approximately 137 bajillion dollars.

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August 2, 2021 3:29 pm

Pretty nice for the Suns to get him back on this deal:

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1422323300328370202

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August 2, 2021 3:44 pm
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WOW! Good for him. Teams are out there spending!

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August 2, 2021 3:53 pm
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Largest ever for an undrafted player.

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Only til EJ Onu re-ups in a few years.

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August 2, 2021 3:41 pm

NY re-signs Noel to 3/$32m.

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“Backup plan? We don’t need no stinkin’ backup plan!” -Monte McNair

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August 2, 2021 4:39 pm
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Tristan Thompson is the backup plan.

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Wait, are you on twitter?

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No – just surfing the interwebs.

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August 2, 2021 4:40 pm
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Yeesh, that’s an UGLY deal.

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CP3 will be 40 when that deal expires.

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August 2, 2021 3:47 pm
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He’ll be shorter than Davion Mitchell by then!

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At that time, he will still have more years than the Kings have wins.

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But we’ve got Doug Christie as a coach now!!! Finals here we come…..ugh

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“It’s Ok. We have Christie.”

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Speaking of which:

https://twitter.com/James_HamNBCS/status/1422303275324526598?s=20

Davion is never Davioff!

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We’re going to like watching him play. If he can shoot we’re going to LOVE watching him play.

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August 2, 2021 3:52 pm

Conley 3/$73m – Utah.

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Contenders spend big. Who would have thunk it?

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Ugh… this team.

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Our big free agent “get” is going to be Richaun Holmes…and that’s a sad thing to admit.

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Was there ever a possibility that anything else could happen in free agency? The team is capped out.

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Exactly right.

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Reasonable.

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Stagnation.

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August 2, 2021 4:18 pm
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It’s meh, for sure. 2/$9m for a Harkless on a better team would be solid. Break glass in case of emergency. The problem is he probably projects to play a larger role here. That’s not his fault, nor is it damning of his contract.

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Agreed. He is the de facto stater right now and if Mo Harkless is a starter on your team you don’t have a very good team.

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August 2, 2021 4:22 pm
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Yep. If Doug Christie and Moe Harkless are your FA cannon shots, you’re doing it wrong. Let’s see if the Kings can mine some nuggets once the money across the league dries up.

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August 2, 2021 4:26 pm
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Mining some nuggets or scraping the barrel? I guess I’ve just become a glass half empty type of guy these past few years when it comes to the Kings.

Good teams are out there spending big right now and will likely have payrolls near double of the Kings. That makes it hard to get even the least bit excited about signing marginal vets to budget deals.

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See Carl’s comment that the Sacramento franchise is largely capped out, and can’t throw wads of money at players right now.

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I totally get that. The reason for that is they don’t re-sign the assets they do have to rise above the cap and spend accordingly. They, like money strapped capped teams do, float within the cap and salary floor while fielding a team that may or may not compete on a nightly basis.

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That’s basically Harkless’ cap hold also. It’s looking like this team is going to run it back. Sigh.

Not the news I was hoping for.

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If they run it back, does McNair even make it through next offseason?

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Who would fire him? The man who I’m told actually makes all decisions?

Besides, as Carl said above, the Kings are largely capped out this offseason.

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August 2, 2021 4:31 pm
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Dear lord…it’s like groundhog day where we win 30-ish games again, and again, and again

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August 2, 2021 4:22 pm

Someone was telling me this guy was going to get $20 million per year:

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1422336954985766912

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Same deal as Harkless, plus playoff cash and rings!

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Man, you would think Zach Collins getting this type of money means Richaun would get quite a bit more:

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1422338856268017665

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Wow. The Spurs do like their reclamation projects.

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I guess they must have really good hospitals in San Antonio.

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Perfect spot for Marvin Bagley.

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Christ.

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August 2, 2021 4:33 pm
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We’re getting the band back together, Otis!

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August 2, 2021 6:56 pm
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“And a jazz band, at that. Did you guys miss me while I was away?”
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August 2, 2021 4:37 pm
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Ay ay ay ay.

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August 2, 2021 4:44 pm
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WTF? Why do we need both Len and Thompson again?

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August 2, 2021 4:36 pm

I hear Corey Brewer is available, if we’re going after journeyman retreads from our own crappy teams.

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August 2, 2021 4:43 pm

This kills any last hope of Buddy to the Lakers dreams.

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1422341918877315072

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August 2, 2021 4:44 pm

I for one am pissed that Vlade keeps acquiring below average veteran retreads in a desperate hope to make the 10 seed.

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August 2, 2021 6:19 pm

Now we bring back Alex Len? Six Centers
Holmes
Len
Thompson
Queta
Bagley
Jones
arguably 7 with Metu. I’m trying to grasp the plan here. Need at least three of them gone.

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August 2, 2021 6:58 pm
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Roster of only centers and guards. Out of the box thinking.

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August 2, 2021 7:43 pm
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Remember a couple of years ago last game of preseason when Yeager rolled out 5 centers to finish the game? Vivek is playing over all of our heads. Same as it ever was

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August 2, 2021 8:10 pm

Kings reportedly sign Holmes to $55MM offer.

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