The Sacramento Kings have declined to match Bogdan Bodganovic’s offer sheet with the Atlanta Hawks, according to Adrian Wojnarowski.
Kings front office labored over the decision, but kept coming back to new GM Monte McNair’s plan to maintain roster flexibility. Keeping Bogdanovic would’ve severely limited the organization’s ability to continue reshaping the team around its young core of Fox, Bagley and Hield. https://t.co/d4tuT8IRkD
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 25, 2020
And once Tyrese Haliburton dropped to the Kings at No. 11 in Wednesday’s draft, Sacramento suddenly had a deeper, more talented backcourt than they originally anticipated heading into free agency — another factor in this decision. https://t.co/R5l8il2WZn
— Adrian Wojnarowski (@wojespn) November 25, 2020
While the exact terms of the contract have yet to be revealed, Bogdanovic will be paid approximately $72 million over the next four years, employing him through age 32. His deal will also include a 15% trade kicker for all guaranteed seasons, as well as a player option in the final year.
Watching Bogdan Bogdanovic, one of Sacramento’s most exciting and versatile players, walk for no compensation may be frustrating when viewed in a vacuum, but the decision is an understandable one for new Kings General Manager Monte McNair. It’s clear that McNair’s priority this offseason is to reset the team around De’Aaron Fox, a goal that many within the fan base share, and not wanting to burden himself with a third large, long-term contract (Buddy Hield, Harrison Barnes) is an understandable viewpoint. There’s no reward in allowing Bogdanovic to leave the team, but there’s also no risk.
With most of the attractive free agents already acquired, it’s highly likely that the Kings will now turn their attention inward, rather than outward over the next few weeks. It’s entirely possible that Sacramento doesn’t sign a single new player this offseason. Instead, the Kings could decline their mid-level exception and operate under the salary cap, which would allow for some more flexibility in future trades. Either way, McNair is expected to try and shed his other overpaid veterans and non-rookie scale players, rather than pushing for the playoffs like the previous regime.
The Bogdanovic contract situation was always going to be messy once Vlade Divac exited the franchise, and the failed Milwaukee Bucks trade only further served to complicate matters. Even though Bogdan is now a part of the Atlanta Hawks, he can be assured that Kings fans will be rooting for his individual success in the Eastern Conference.
Good luck on the East Coast, Bogi!
Best of luck Bogi!
This is always where this was headed. I’m just bummed the Bucks deal fell through.
For real, getting nothing for Bogi is such a let down
I don’t love it but I think in the long run this probably doesn’t hurt us all that much. I am hoping that this gives Buddy the opportunity to raise his value more than he would have otherwise. That could certainly be a silver lining.
TBH, I don’t love it. But sometimes you must do what’s necessary to get to the things you love. Or some such.
Exactly where I’m at Guru. In a vacuum, losing an asset for nothing is really bad but in this situation I do kind of get the thinking. Vlade created a lose-lose situation and Monte almost pulled us out of it with the Bucks S&T but when that fell through we were toast. Tip your cap and move on. Now the real work of rebuilding Buddy’s value and moving him along with Barnes is going to be the big task this season.
how did Vlade create a lose lose situation?! He definitely would have matched this offer, if not paid him before it happened.
just another fool blaming Vlade. He literally got us bogdan as a secondary piece in a trade he unequivocally won. Stop defending Monte, he squandered the bucks sign and trade. He is sending us right back into rebuilding and buying himself years
Monte is sending us back into rebuilding? We entered rebuilding the second Vlade drafted Bagley.
If Vlade didnt give over inflated contracts to average and sub average players such as Barnes and Corey we would have been in a much better position to match Bogi
Sad but true. Many of us saw it coming on draft night and it has proved prescient.
Lol Monte squandered the Bucks S&T? That’s certainly not what has been reported but I’m sure it is true in your mind. And yes this situation is Vlade’s fault. He would have matched and then cratered the value of all these guys turning them into negative assets while having to dump them along with picks to simply move them out the door. That would have been the Vlade plan.
Bull shit.
What a Joke.
An absolute joke.
He is better then Vlade though. I guess.
KANGZ
Lol
I’m with you man. Sometimes it just really fucking sucks to be a fan of this team.
Letting our 2nd best player walk for nothing is bad. But when I read the part about the “young” “core” of Fox, Hield, and Bagley, it’s just downright depressing.
Like it seems that this team might never be good.
The “Buddy being a part of the young core” thing sounds exactly like the thing you say if you want to try and regain a tiny bit of leverage if you want to trade Buddy and maybe Bagley as well.
What was the point of the Kings front office sitting around for 2 days to say uncle while getting out maneuvered and punked by Atlanta? Kings will be widely and deservedly ripped good again, this time for letting Bogi walk without compensation.
Hey Monte, the victory laps over Haliburton falling to the Kings are over. Time to implement your 20 win tankathon plan.
Heh. Hield is four months younger than Bogi.
Technically still younger!
It’s such bull shit. A heaping mound of bull shit.
what a Joke.
monty ain’t pan’n out to well so far. A good draft that either fell in his lap or was orchestrated by Haliburton, the wrong evaluation and choice between Buddy and Bogi in terms of contract and skill and tradability. Pathetic. A bad evaluation on Giles as part of the 15 man roster for the stupidly low cost of 3 million for a guy the franchise invested upwards of 20 million in who could be better then the guy you think you might be able to build around. Good one Monty, Bang up job so far. You’re killin it.
someone kill me!
If Harry Giles was such a “bad evaluation,” why wasn’t he sought after from other teams?
For 3 million you keep him.
enough said.
That’s double what he signed for with Portland.
Exactly. Offer him 3 he stays.
Giles was a UFA, thanks to Vlade.
4mm to sign him then. Would have been a mistake. We still could have had him this off-season but the f-boy guy with a bad goatee let him go.
If we were pissed that Vlade didn’t extend the qualifying offer for Giles then why shouldn’t we be pissed that Monty let him go for less money? Shouldn’t we be more pissed?
monty made a terrible decision worse. He doubled down on Vlade’s idiocy and that’s not cause for concern?
Huh? Giles was a UFA, and probably had the Kings ranked 30th among NBA teams that he would want to join after Vlade’s front office dissed him by not picking up his $3.9m option. How in the hell is this McNair’s fault?
We didn’t lose a guy who is even remotely near all-star caliber. We lost one of the feature players of perennial 30-ish win team. This isn’t a huge blow.
Eh, that’s not the smartest way to look at it, IMO. You could say the same about Fox. Many said the same about IT when he left.
And we didn’t even get the rights to Alex Oriakhi in exchange for Bogi….
Fox in considerably younger, and already on par or ahead of Bogi. IT was on an upward trend, and his contract was his total contract was 1.5 years of his deal. Bogi has likely plateaud, and ultimately got verpaid in my opinion. I don’t regret not having that contract.
They lost a player that title contenders (e.g. the Lakers and Bucks) wanted to sign. The demand would have been there next year also. He may not be an all star but he’s capable of putting up 18/4/4 and playing 3 positions. IMO, this will go down as another in a long line of bad decisions that the franchise will regret.
Signing a 28 year-old bench player to 4/72 isn’t the best route to take for a team in the middle of tearing down and rebuilding its roster.
That’s why title contenders look to add these kind of players, not make them cornerstones. We already made that mistake with Barnes, I’m glad we didn’t repeat it here.
You miss the point. They can still tear down by trading him next year. They are too talented to make a run for the top of the draft. They aren’t that bad. If they had kept him, they could have traded him for future assets several months from now. Also, he’s not a bench player on most teams. He’s a solid starter for most franchises and a sixth man type for good teams because of his versatility.
I disagree. If we can somehow luck out and move Barnes and Buddy, we have a serious shot. A Fox + rookie + mediocre to scrub team could absolutely make some top pick noise.
Plans don’t involve “lucking out.” They involve maximizing the value you get from your assets and mitigating downside risks. Two things that the Kings are bad at doing. And even if they do shed a bunch of guys and tank, the draft lottery is less forgiving now for tankers. Banking on the lottery going your way is not a sound plan. Also, keeping Bogi would not have precluded the Kings from trading Barnes and Buddy this year (and Bogi next summer). It’s bad asset management.
In sports, plans absolutely involve lucking out. Just ask Portland or OKC.
I just don’t think you’re maximizing value with Bogi by paying him 18m a year and then paying him even more to trade him. Especially when you don’t know what his trade value is at 18m. If he’s even healthy.
Banking on the lottery is about as sound of a move as throwing out another George Hill contract with the intent of flipping it down the road for a solid return in players/picks.
The offer sheet made the likelihood of trading Bogi in the future problematic.
If the strategy is to seriously try to build through the draft then why not try to acquire more picks to increase the odds of hitting on a star? They could have done that by holding onto Bogi and trading him next summer. His contract is a tradable contract. There is no reason why one couldn’t imagine a contender trading, for instance, a late first rounder for him. But instead the team let him walk without getting any future assets in return.
Also, based on the Bucks trade proposal we do have an idea on what his value might be.
The Bucks deal was fair value, but Bogi didn’t sign that contract. The Atlanta deal was an overpay plus with the kicker would make him difficult to trade. That’s no longer a valuable asset to have.
The return would be better with it not being a sign and trade deal.
put on top of that creating a little bidding war. He definitely would have brought back valuable assets at some point.
This has been recounted enough before, but the bad asset management had already happened under Vlade. I personally don’t see letting Bogi walk as such, as long as you have a plan for how you want to use your cap space.
And having the lottery go your way still happens to be one of the best methods to get all star talent, especially in smaller markets. Lottery reform hasn’t changed that fact at all.
What was Bogi supposed to do during this year until he’s traded? Because he definitely wasn’t supposed to be taking minutes from Halliburton. So he sits on the bench and plays 10-15 mpg?
Completely agree.
Tell that to the late first round draft pick we should have been able to get for Buddy at minimum. All while keeping a better player for less money.
it’s dumb. It would have been dumb if Vlade did it. It’s still dumb when Monty does it.
Show your work. Put that deal on paper, please, being sure to make it work cap-wise.
From 2 teams that have shown interest. id be shocked if they turned down any of these. Not a great return for buddy but that’s not the point here. The point, as you asked me to show on paper with the cap is how do you flip Buddy for expiring contracts and a late first round draft pick or higher. Here’s several examples. Only 1 doesn’t include a draft pick just because it’s to obvious not to include it here.
Theres 27 other teams with possibilities also.
ð©
Buddy 4 years 25 million, Justin James 2 years 1.5 million. = 26.5
for:
Mcdermott 1 year 7.3 million, TJ Leaf 1 year 4.3, TJ, McConnell 1 year 3.5 million, J. Holiday 1 year 4.6 million, Edmond Sumner 2 years 2.1 million = 21.8 + 2021 top 3 protected draft pick.
ð© ð© or
buddy 4 years 25 million , Holmes 1 year 5 million = 30
for
Myles Turner 3 years 18 million, mcdermott 1 year 7.3 million, TJ Leaf 1 year 4.3 million = 29.6 + 2021 second round pick from the Cav’s
ð© ð© ð© or in Dallas who’s also shown interest:
Buddy 4 years 25 million
for
James Johnson 1 year 16 million, Courtney Lee 1 year 12.8 million = 28.8 + 2022 draft pick top 3 protected.
ð© ð© ð© ð© or
Buddy 4 years 25 million
for
James Johnson 1 year 16 million, Marjonovic 1 year 3.5 million, Brunson 2 years 1.7 million = 21.2+ 2022 draft pick top 10 protected.
ð© ð© ð© ð© ð© or
Buddy 4 years 25 million
for:
Hardaway 1 year 19 million, Marjonovic 1 year 3.5 million = 22.5 + 2022 draft pick top 10 protected.
There you go. I put in some work for you.
Any of these would be fine by me. Bogi stays and starts at SG, eventually moves to 6th man when appropriate or gets traded with his permission whenever for more assets.
malcontent Buddy is gone, we have an extra draft pick, more cap space next year, we lose more this year for the tank, we keep the better of our 2 current SG’s for less money and that will be a better influence on the young ones coming in like Haliburton.
I have seen no legitimate reports (or reasonably resourced rumors) that any of these deals were even available. This is like saying we should have gotten something back from Atlanta for Bogi, you know, just because.
so you present me with this challenge and then move the goal posts?
you didn’t say to present deals that were reported to be available. Were any deals ever reported to be available?
I can’t imagine that’s where you were going when you placed this challenge for me. The point, I thought was to show that there are options to trade Buddy and allow us to keep Bogi instead. Buddy Hield is tradable. Buddy Hield should have been traded. Bogi should have been retained. Then possibly traded down the line. That’s what a smart GM would have done. I wanted and hoped Monty was smart and a good choice. I still hope that. If I’m being honest though, it’s not starting off very well. Good draft, good Gentry hire, seemingly a better vision for a rebuild (lots to speculate here) everything else has been pretty painful and definitely nothing good. Throw on top of that we still have Luke. I’ll throw my hope in to Monty but my confidence?… he’s destroyed any confidence I had him. That’s on him, not me to give yet another GM a hall pass because the last guy was bad. I’ve run out of hall passes.
buddy for expiring contracts and a future first and keep Bogi, the better player, better team mate and better contract. Maybe trade him down the line and get more assets to wheel and deal with or make upside selections with.
or…
let the better and more affordable player and teammate walk for nothing and keep the more expensive bad team mate who’s not as good.
Monty chose the ladder and all the exhausted, hopeful fans are reaching for ways to justify it in order to avoid more pain from incompetence.
Not sure how I moved the goal posts. I mean, you’re hammering McNair for not making deals of your own invention? With zero knowledge as to whether or not any of these deals were available?
I mean, if Bogi is the superior player, and all he could fetch was Donte Divincenzo, how does an inferior player on a worse contract net anything?
And up your ass with the “exhausted, hopeful fans” horseshit. I’m not the one with my balls on fire in this thread. I think the Kings should have matched. I get why they didn’t. No more, no less.
Wow man. this was un called for.
I’m an exhausted hopeful fan. So are you. So is every Kings fan. It comes with the territory and 14 years of crap. We are in this together.
I haven’t attacked any body here. Except Monty. Which I believe he deserves.
I justify some moves as others justify different moves in their own way.
My balls were on fire, as they should have been. I’m a passionate Kings fan, what can I say?
Buddy has been adamant about not wanting to be here. So far there has only been crickets in terms deals, outside of writers throwing darts about “things that might work out”.
Totally agree.
We essentially just threw away a future late first round draft pick. That’s not a huge blow?
Step off the ledge a bit, Arco.
Yeah, I would have matched. But what we lost was slightly better Cisco Garcia.
Not a good return on an asset. Not $72m for a complementary player. It’s a disappointment, but not the death knell for an organization.
This is really down-playing Bogi’s contributions. Cisco? I liked Cisco, but he was more equivalent to CoJo than Bogi in terms of production. Bogi is more like our Bobby Jackson as the 2nd or 3rd guard.
This won’t kill the org, but its still ridiculous and a bad decision.
I said slightly better. Willing to be convinced that he was exponentially better.
He’s no Bobby Jackson 6th man of the year point guard on a Western Conference Champion team. Let’s be reasonable here.
Bobby Jackson was the six man on a title contender. If it were not for a couple of missed free throws, or a couple of highly questionable foul calls, that team would have won the title. Bogi was the six man, or 5th man on a team that is in the draft lottery every single year, so let’s not confuse things. I really like BB, and he was very easy to root for. That said, I have zero problems with blowing this entire roster to the moon and back IF it means we can rebuild in a newer better way.
Clearly we aren’t doing it in a better way.
We got NEW still!!
I don’t think the issue is blowing up the entire roster. I’m down for that. The issue is if you blow up a team, you can’t let assets walk for nothing. See OKC. They are blowing up the team but yet are retaining future assets. Say what you want about Bogi, he is an asset in the league.
Slightly better Cisco Garcia? That’s a stretch for Cisco. They’re not even in the same tier of players. Closest thing Cisco was somewhat on par with Bogi was providing 3 point shooting. But even then Bogi is a better player in that regard.
I’ll stand by what I said. Cisco was a legit core NBA bench piece, especially before injuries broke him down. Bogi is probably starting material for some NBA teams and a 6th man for others. Maybe Bobby Jackson or Corliss Williamson are better comps when comparing his value and standing.
He’s roughly a 4/$72m player that was offered a 4/$72m contract. Given what it takes to sign free agents around here, I would have matched. That said, I understand why the organization did not. And if this came down to a Hield or Bogi decision, I sure understand why this front office would choose Hield’s elite volume deep shooting over Bogi’s wider range of skills given what they have invested in Fox, as well as drafting Haliburton. The big question now is whether the coaching staff is capable of running a systemt that will maximize the ability of these players.
It all depends on what Monte will do in the future with that cap flexibility.
In itself, cap flexibility means nothing. It is all about how it will be utilized.
TBD.
It’s good advice. Thanks.
I’m just tired man. I’m tired of the dumb moves. I’m tired of the dumb and contradictory rationalizations in the press releases, I’m tired of seeing obvious things not happen. I’m just tired.
I know all you guys can at least relate to where I’m coming from. It’s just really bad asset management as far as I can tell and I’m really tired of watching that. I was so hopeful that it would be ending but it’s not. It’s continuing.
Relax it’s just basketball, a game.
Not sure what you’re picturing but I’m chillin on the couch watching stand up comedy drinking a beer and typing frantically in the Kings Herald with a gentle layer of Anger floating around me.
it’s pretty chill.
All good, and I get the rant. For a year that’s all I did when Vlade passed on Luka. The thing with Monte is that he actually has FO experience. I trust him more than I did PDA and Vlade. But maybe I’m just a little bias on my like of Morey management. I absolutely love the analytical decision-making we have been doing. That’s where the NBA is heading.
Ultimately, we have to take everything with a grain of salt and a bit of context. Especially with this franchise and what we’ve been through during the Vivek years. We’re not out of the woodworks yet but I trust this Front Office more than my personal moves and biases.
I want to trust this front office. I was so excited when Monty got hired. Vlade was a nightmare. Monty had a great draft, arguably more lucky then a great job but he deserves credit for not messing it up at the very least. I also like the more analytical approach. I also like what we are assuming his vision for the rebuild is. All other actions he has made have not been good. Valuing buddy over Bogi is obviously incorrect we all know that. Not retaining Giles after such a huge investment by the franchise while he’s on the cusp of breaking out and already arguably better then Marvin. While that shouldn’t be a huge mistake it seems egregiously bad for the cost and risk reward possibilities. For gods sake, his first real transaction attempt has him under investigation by the league.
the over confidence in Monty as of thanksgiving 2020 is astounding to me. Especially after every thing we’ve been through.
I’m not convinced this is dumb move. I think Monte at least deserves 6 months (or maybe a year or two) of benefit of the doubt that he has a plan and is at least as qualified as a bunch of internet fans at executing it. I’m pretty sure he has thought about this AT LEAST as much as the rest of us, and has a little more experience. It might be a 49%/51% play… but being strapped with the 15% trade kicker was probably more than he wanted to deal with when he fully expects to make moves later. I might see this as smart asset management, and a willingness to make tough decisions even if they are a little painful and not popular.
Finally someone who gets it! Why is everyone falling over themselves to defend this new GM has proved nothing? Because he got Morey coffee for a few years?
he has set us back with this off season, and now he’s just giving away assets. This is like someone forfeiting a building because they don’t want to pay the taxes. Bogie was an asset. To let him walk for nothing is the worst move this franchise has made since picking Thomas Robinson over Damien lillard.
Stop trolling, freepapagiannis. No one seems to be enjoying it.
Tell me what I want to hear or you’re a troll.
Check his license
The only way this is acceptable is if they couldn’t get anything in return for Bogi at that salary
Otherwise this is just nothing but pain, again.
I don’t want a “young core of Buddy, Bagley and Fox” I want an actual effing team with a direction and an actual chance to do more than compete for the 8th seed
McNair better be right, because we have all seen these types of moves before with previous F.O’s and “trusting them” didn’t work out either
He’s wrong. It’s obvious.
what a joke.
Buddy as part of the young core. Get that crap out of here. He doesn’t want to be on this team. So… how is that even possible. What an absolutely stupid thing to say.
F this
Arco bringing heat mam
You know what I’d say if I were trying to repair Buddy’s trade value? That he’s part of the young core.
Good luck to you Bogi. Loved watching you here.
Classic lame ass Kings fan thing to say. Lol just kidding. Not kidding.
I’ve been called a lot of things over the years. I don’t know if I’ve ever been called a ‘lame ass Kings fan’. Usually people just call me a pig fucker, or a Communist or a dipshit. Nobody has ever attempted to insult me AND call me a Kings fan. Is that like a double negative which in algebra means a positive?
So, thusly, yes? Which means I am the awesome, in point of fact. Which I already knew. But thanks for agreeing with me!
Yeah but like, you’re lame bro so whatever.
Pain
Should’ve used T-Pain’s head.
There are so many shades of summer ’94 to Monte’s beginning as a GM, it’s unreal. (Yes, that’s a reference to Petrie’s beginning of his tenure.) In that case, the pick was Brian Grant and the FA was Wayman Tisdale. If you wish to push the analogy further, the Kings took Michael “Animal” Smith 35th overall in ’94. Robert Woodard perhaps the new Animal? Also, that team in 94-95 managed to win 39 games and miss the 8th seed by a game. Against Denver, of course.
Love Bogi, hell if I saw more of the Kings I woulda loved the Tizzy flip, too. But man fans were ticked at Tizzy walking, and it would have been this kinda bad as it’s been for this go around.
I’m just amazed Vivek didn’t screw this up. He let his actual GM make his actual preferred decision.
I think that’s a bit of a specious comparison.
As much as I loved Wayman, he was pretty one-dimensional and needed the ball a lot. Bogi’s game is more conducive to on-court team success now than Wayman’s was then.
And this may turn out to be the right move, long-term, but I’m not sold that Vivek didn’t have some influence on McNair’s decision.
I’m not either. I think he won’t let him trade Buddy. We all know he has a hard on for him. He wanted to lock him up long term and Puppet Vlade did as he was told.
Now, this might be a sign that we just have have more of the same.
I can’t believe we just let Bogi walk for nothing while being cheaper and better then Buddy and only 4 months older.
pathetic.
Bogi better than Buddy? Have to disagree with you there. Buddy can change a game, and when was the last time you saw Buddy injured?
I’ve seen buddy change every game with consistently some of the stupidest turnovers one could imagine.
I remember Bogi beating the the Los Angeles Sorry Ass Punks with a last second 3ptr.
If I recall people used to rail on Vlade for not standing up to Vivek when such speculation occurred, I wonder how long of a leash people will give MM for acquiescing to Vivek..
If I recall Vlade was given the benefit of the doubt for at least the first three years. Wonder if the fans will be as patient with MM.
Doubt it. Fans are tiring of the 14 year playoff drought. And it’s all Monte’s fault!
the 14 years are not. But failing to do the smart thing twice and being part of an investigation after just 6 weeks ain’t good. Losing Bogi for nothing and not trying to trade Buddy from now until the all star break is a huge mistake and completely his fault.
not bringing Giles back is also a mistake. He had an opportunity to right a wrong by Vlade and failed.
I can’t blame MM for the past 14 years, I won’t blame him and will only judge him on the moves he makes or doesn’t make. I am disappointed and give him a bad grade, but will change opinion as he does other things and it warrants it.
Most probably will not be as patient… I think the whole thing about not standing up to ownership started sooner in Vlade’s tenure, or maybe it was just a few fans that would constantly say that.. I’m certainly not excited with the start but I will also be happy to change my opinion based off of future moves. I certainly gave Vlade the benefit until Bagley draft.
it just got significantly shorter for me.
ð©a lucky draft that fell in his lap
ð©bad choice between Buddy and Bogi
ð©should have retained Giles at that low of a cost after the franchise invested so much in him.
I’m not feeling confident and excited anymore. That’s for sure.
Do you know if Giles wanted to stay in Sac? Hard to retain a player if he didnt want to stay with the team.
Giles sucks
buddy is better
buddy has no trade value
I’ll grant it’s a tad specious. Certainly not a perfect comparison either, but comps rarely are. /shrug
TBH, I just shared the 94 thing on a whim and I’ve thought that since the draft. I think I said it that night, too. I’ll have to look at my comment.
And Brian grant held out for a bag a chips and a Dr Pepper …
Picks held out all the time back then.
It is so much better now, iMHO..
The rookie salary scale made a large difference, no doubt.
the last time he didn’t get in the way we ended up with Marvin.
maybe he should meddle more!
Antoine Carr was Tisdales replacement if my memory serves me correctly
Actually by then he was in San Antonio and was long gone. Byproduct of the Dick Motta era! Here is the 94-95 team. I just learned that Mike Bratz was Garry St Jean’s assistant on that team. I didn’t know that before!
You are right… I guess I’m getting old and all the players are starting to mix together.. Garry and his PMA
Is this an actual GM decision? If money wasn’t a factor do we really think he wouldn’t have matched? This was about Vivek not willing to shell out and McNair choosing the path of rebuilding with time rather than adding to what we had to get us in the playoffs.
put it this way, is there anyone coming this off-season better than Bogi? Then what are we doing
Not upset he’s gone, just bitter about him screwing us on the way out.
A bit harsh I think. What did he really owe us, and how did he screw us?
He wanted out as fast as possible, didn’t even give the team a shot at a S&T.
Meh, so it goes. Let the Hawks enjoy his feast or famine.
I understand your angst, hate losing an asset for nothing too.
However, I don’t fault the guy we didn’t draft, but traded for as a sweetener to a larger deal, who was caught in a dysfunctional situation and wanted to move on. He played hard, was never a PITA, and did his job. Personally, I wish him the best and am thankful that he was the one shining example for Vlade to hang his hat in. I’m still WAY more bitter about Luka than losing BB8
I’m not bitter about losing him. I was hoping the Kings wouldn’t match. I’m just annoyed with how it played out re: leaking the Bucks deal after catching wind of a bigger Hawks offer
He didn’t screw us. He looked out for himself.
Yep. At the end of the day, it’s a business. One that the Kings are not very good at running.
Yep. Teams always put the team over players. Players really should do the same when they have the control.
I get it that he owes us nothing, and admittedly I care strictly about the team, not so much the individual players. I just have a suspicion that there’s no love lost from his standpoint.
Exactly. He was under no obligation to sign the Bucks offer. I thought he was agreeing because there wasn’t a big difference in salary to what Atlanta offered and he wanted to play with Giannis. Maybe Atlanta upped their offer or his agent was able to squeeze them for more, convinced the Kings wouldn’t match. Would be interesting to see the behind the scenes. It would be funny if Giannis gets traded for Trae Young, Capela, Huerter, Collins, and all Atlanta’s draft picks for six years lol, then the team that originally thought they would get to draft him would finally have him and he could play with Bogi. I just would love that for entertainment though I don’t think Atlanta wins a ring out of it.
This might be the right decision for other franchises, where “roster flexibility” can translate to free agent signings. But for the Kings it’s the wrong decision. They will regret it when/if players get injured throughout the league and a market opens up for Buddy.
Nahh they won’t regret this decision. Players getting injured? The more it increases our chance at losing and getting a higher draft pick in a loaded 2021 draft class while not tying too much money on players that won’t move the needle that much. Sounds good to me!
I’m okay with this because the Kings drafted Haliburton. Really excited about the young backcourt.
Gotta be honest I kind of agree. I am way more excited about drafting Haliburton than I am upset about losing Bogi for nothing. Do I wish we could have gotten an asset back for him? Sure, but I’m not losing that much over it.
Well, I guess that makes the rebuild official then. Best of luck, Bogi. May you help lift the Hawks to new heights.
I will say there’s was one thing that always bugged me why didn’t the Fox, Buddy, Bogi, Barnes, Bagley/Holmes lineup get more run time? I know we’ve had some stubborn coaches, so that’s my first line of blame. However, I get the impression that Bogi struggled with small forward, at least defensively. Now, Bogi has a wingspan of 6’11 and a standing reach of 8’8, so I’ve seen written. I know he’s a bit slight, but I’m still annoyed if he couldn’t defend a position he had the length for. Oh well.
BB8 has the length to defend SF’s, but he isn’t as athletic as a lot of SF’s.
Yeah, he can do it in a pinch, but the longer he spent at the 3, the worse the outcome was.
I am content with this decision. In McNair we trust! Let’s go Hellaburton!
If they sign Whiteside please delete my account.
Lmao ð
Looks like the right decision for both teams.
Best of luck to Bogi.
It’s the right move. Sacramento has to build through the draft, and I want our draft picks getting minutes immediately and three full years of evaluation so a decision can be rendered to keep or move them.
This upcoming season is a tank and development year, and Sacramento should be well positioned to add an impact player in the 2021 draft.
It looks like we are finally getting the strip the house down to the studs rebuild that should have happened years ago, and I’m fully onboard the Monte McNair plan.
Go Kings!
If it means we’ll be better and competing for the title and not just for relevancy then it’s a bitter pill that needs to be swallowed.
Unless Vivek eff it up in the future.
my favorite part of kings basketball for the last decade has actually been to just watch the rooks and 2 way players get minutes. I’m more excited for kings basketball now that I know Haliburton will probably get 25-30 minutes a night.
part of “building through the draft” is retaining the players you drafted that are legitimate NBA players
Not if they lock you into a 30-something win group with few chances for improvement. That’s what the $60 million group of Buddy, Bogi, and Barnes do.
Trading Buddy for good assets will be an important part of improving the Kings. The same thing would’ve been true if the Kings kept BB8.
Agree completely
Agreed on building through the draft. Which is why we need to retain players that we can trade for draft picks or young players.
Why wait so long to announce. At least be f’ng decisive with your decisions and try to show some semblance of confidence. Sheesh.
Maybe they were looking at other options? None of us were in the room when the decision was made to see what was being discussed.
I meant to up thumb this not down thumb it.
what we just witnessed was more pathetic Kings front office bull shit.
At least Monty got lucky in the draft. That’s cool.
Wait, so Monte and the new front office got lucky in the draft?
Your emotional and upset right now, which is fine as people fan differently, but that’s an unfair shot at Monte and his team.
Hali was a lot better than at least some of the prospects who were drafted before him, so some luck was involved. However, it sounds like the FO convinced Hali that the Kings would be a good fit for him, so the FO deserves some credit.
Agree. Monte and his team did a great job. Can’t wait to see how they continue to build the team.
I wouldn’t believe that propaganda if I were you.
they got lucky Haliburton fell. Plain and simple. I like his picks in the second round but we’ll see.
outside of those two things I haven’t liked anything he’s done. Sorry. I really wish i could get behind these shit decisions.
Letting Bogi Walk for nothing. NO!!
Not trading Buddy. NO!
Not firing Luke. NO!!!
Letting Giles walk when he could have kept him for 3 million. NO!
Yes they did. They got lucky he dropped. Emotions aside. They seem to have done good in the second round tho, but we’re talki g about the second round. Time will tell.
How anyone can say that AFTER Vlade passed on Doncic is amazing to me ð¤·ð»ï¸
Exploring all roster options first, perhaps? Jeebus, the last thing we need is a front office that is concerned with putting on appearances.
Especially with an ownership so horrible. I would be a lot more confident long term if we hadn’t heard of any potential interference from Vivek on this. It’s one thing to raise an objection, it’s another to convince a FO member to leak something to Sam Amick accusing you of meddling yet again.
And it’s a horrible look that continues. I guess the flip side is to the meddling is the Kings spent more money by picking up Bjelica’s option than I thought they would so that’s something?
Not much though, admittedly.
Yeah!
Fuck them for being thorough and taking time to make a difficult decision! Preposterous!
Yeah remember when we hired Luke Walton without even interviewing any other candidates? Had to act fast to get that rising star before anybody snatched him up!
Oof. I don’t think this was the right decision. However, Monte has a good resumé, so I have hope that he knows what he’s doing (though it’ll take some time to see whether or not that’s true).
Good resume? He’s never done the job?
Every 1st time GM has never done the job. However, some GM’s have spent more time in FO’s than other GM’s (Vlade was never in a FO before he became GM).
vlade was too busy being a fucking legend. This dude literally never played organized basketball past high school and copy and pasted some spreadsheets.
reality is this is an announcement that he’d rather rebuild than retool. We’re we really that far off of the playoffs?
Even w/BB8, the Kings were probably 1 of the 3 worst teams in the West. The reason to keep BB8 was so that the Kings could get assets in a trade. As for Vlade, the Kings never came close to making the playoffs during his tenure as GM & drafting Bagley instead of Luka was a disastrous mistake.
oof is right. Clearly he does not.
Well, I suppose there is slight consolation in the fact that ATL now has to swallow their own poison pill and will have to deal with Bogi trade kicker if they want to move him in the next two years. It’s very slight though.
I don’t get the angst about the trade kicker. It’s a few million bucks and can be waived but the player.
No serious angst here. But I assume the reason it was in the contract was to make life harder for the Kings, and instead it’s now a reality for the team that agreed to it. Presumably ATL will want to hang on to him longer than the Kings would have, but we’ll see.
Atlanta’s goals are different, for sure.
Even with the roster upgrade I don’t see Atlanta competing for the playoffs this year. I mean Washington will be better than them since Wall’s coming back and having Bertans and Beal there, Nets will definitely be in the title contention and Orlando’s scrappy as heck.
Wall isn’t likely to be a good player ever again.
On that point, they are completely capped out with many aging assets, with more looming extensions, and a ceiling of a fringe playoff team. I dont think they are going to have that many clear chances to maximize or improve in the Trae era.
Other than Gallinari, what aging assets do they have?
This is bad
Bye Bogi.
We’ll always have the buzzer-beater vs the Lakers.
I’m bummed because if we were at least going to lose Bogi I want to see him in the playoffs next year. This Atlanta reboot seems like it’s getting over-hyped, still not sure that they make it into the top 8 in the east at this point.
I think Atlanta will probably make the playoffs, but I think they’ll be the 6th seed at best unless a better East team has players that miss a lot of games due to injuries or COVID.
Could you imagine scoffing at the prospect of the Kings being the 6th seed at best in the playoffs?
The long-term goal for the Kings (like every other team) is to become a contender. The Kings have a lot of work to do to reach that goal. Atlanta’s probably the 6th seed at best next season, but it’s much closer to reaching that long-term goal.
Good for Bogi to get paid. This seemed like an inevitable ending given how we are already tied to heftier than player value contracts. The question is; who is left available in free agency that can provide enough of a role on this team this season to potentially have future asset value at the trade deadline? We clearly value future assets and expirings. What is the Monte strategy going forward with free agency?
The only free agents left are the left overs.
When a bottom dwelling team lets a valuable and wanted asset go for nothing, it is not a good choice.
When other markets have 3 options for improvement via Trade, Draft, or free agency, the Kings have only two. They just handicapped themselves be letting a trade asset go for nothing.
This smells of an immediate cost savings move and I don’t like it.
Thank you
Completely right. This was about $$$ and then letting the press go to work
Welp, not a lot to unpack. They tried to find a decent deal, and did, only to have it disintegrate. I wish he could have played here under different circumstances. I truly believe he could have thrived in an up tempo system where he could just shoot and slash. Alas, here we are. Best of luck Bogi, and thanks for all. Go take Atlanta by storm.
Good luck, Bogi. Thanks for the memories against the Lakers.
I’d usually be more pissed at Atlanta for playing hard like this, but given how they came through in the clutch earlier this month, I’m giving them a pass the rest of the year.
Atlanta and the entire state of Georgia is owed many good things moving forward. I hope Bogi can be a part of that good stuff.
it’s bull shit he’s not on the kings though. Pathetic job of asset management.
Lol. We get it ArcoThunder. You’ve expressed the same argument in several posts.
Meh. Just like the downvoters;
So it goes.
4D chess going on here that most can’t appreciate. Bring on the tank for Cunningham.
Given the new lottery rules, I don’t see Bogi’s presence / absence making that much of a difference.
Seriously, the tank and draft strategy isn’t a great strategy unless you have a bunch of picks. Just look at the Sixers and Celtics and how many of their first rounders have panned out. Either way, you can’t really expect to build through the draft successfully if you can’t trade quality players for decent picks! It’s bad asset management to give away good players for nothing and expect the lottery gods to make everything good.
I 100% do. People always say that it’s irrelevent and we’ll be bad anyway but what always ends up happening. We end up in the 7th or 8th lottery spot because we didn’t fully bottom out.
This group locks us into 11th seed, 8th lottery position territory. Secure a bottom 3 record and you’re sitting pretty in a Top 5 strongly reminiscent of 2018.
How many wins do you think Bogi was worth to this 20-21 team? I’m guessing one or two. I mean, ESPN had him as a 4-5 wins player last year, and I respect that he is a very good player. But when I look at the 20-21 team I’m just not sure that he is the level of talent that would squeeze more than one or two wins out of a very sketchy roster.
Disappointed that we didn’t net a Divincenzo-level player. Losing Bogi for nothing sucks.
That said, I will enjoy watching more of Hield & Haliburton. Kind of reminds me of the scene from Moneyball when Beane traded Pena to force Howe to play Hatteburg. Helluva way to run a railroad, though – just fire the freakin’ coach!
Silver lining: $18m a year x 4 years not spent on a better than OK player. It will be interesting to see if/when/how the Kings re-invest.
I would have matched, but I’m not upset that the Kings didn’t.
Im happy we didn’t match. Sometimes addition by subtraction works specially when its a position that now has become deep. Plus he was injury prone and didnt fit the timeline. Look at Boston as an example they let 3 max dudes walk for nothing and they bet on their young core rounding out the roster where there were loggams. Buddy has no excuse now to ball out and regain value so we can net picks and young players at the trade deadline when there is more desperation. Opens up Hali’s minutes as well wouldn’t be surprise if we shock some dudes Hali and Bags are the wildcards along with a buddy resergence and Fox Emerging as a legit star.
I am in agreement with you Rob. It was a tough decision, but I am eager to see Fox-Buddy-Tyrese play. I think with what a debacle last season was that Hield’s ability to spread the floor is being underestimated. I also think that as his contract declines he will be easier and easier to move, as Tyrese learns the pro game and puts on a few pounds to be able and becomes a starter.
Do you really enjoy watching Hield play though? The pouty attitude annoys the f*#$ out of me. I can forgive his occasional boneheaded errors, but his attitude is not good for the team.
I don’t see him as an on-court pouter. I think his off-court comments do not help him or his team.
Also, I really enjoyed watching him in Joerger’s system.
I’ve seen some pouting on the floor but I could also be viewing him through the lense of his off court BS. That said, the team was fun and Buddy was promising under Joerger. But Buddy didn’t like Joerger and that was part of the reason the Kings let Joerger go. And now Buddy doesn’t like Walton. The franchise sided with Buddy in his feud with Joreger and they were wrong to enable him. And now they can’t trade him because he’s viewed as (is) a malcontent and a potential coach killer. My perception of him is too negative to enjoy his play. Find a team with a veteran coach that can put him in his place, trade him for whatever you can get, and be done with his drama.
Buddy had zero influence on Joerger being gone, in my opinion. That was completely residue of the Luka/Bagley debacle, and it is why both Joerger and Brandon Williams were shown the door the day after the season ended.
Buddy, to his detriment, is 100% unfiltered and at least a considerable percentage of entitled douche. That said, he has answered the bell virtually every night since his arrival and has performed at a level that would objectively place him as the best player in a Kings uniform during his time here. Clarifying, Fox is the better prospect, and when playing at his best he is the best player and future of this franchise. But on balance, Buddy Hield has been the best player on the Kings, night-in and night-out, over the past few years.
Please Luke, just let Buddy shoot this year. No ball-handling for the love of all that is holy!
I’ll enjoy watching more of Fox & I think I’ll enjoy watching Hali, but Buddy should be traded as soon as a good deal is available.
Well..Bogi is my second favorite king so this sucks…my second home is Atlanta and I will be moving just outside of Atlanta in 2 years so I can watch him play there.. I guess Buddy was pretty untradeable…and this will put a lot more pressure on McNair to turn this into a positive next year..at least it’s not as bad as picking Bagley over Doncic
Rights to Alex Oriakhi looking pretty good right now. Lol.
I kid. The IT situation was totally different.
IT coming off 20 & 6 in his age 24 season, offered 4yr/$27M. Lots of obvious value in that contract. He made the All-star team with Bos in 2016 with basically the same numbers he had his last year in Sac.
Bogi coming off 15 & 3 in his age 27 season, offered 4yr/$72M. I know prices have changed and this oversimplification ignores defense, but I think there’s obviously less value in matching Bogi’s contract than IT’s.
There’s less value but it’s still SUPER STUPID.
You could call the IT situation SUPER STUPID, but if you agree this is at least a degree or two not as bad, then I reckon it’s stupid at worst. And that’s assuming Bogi goes on to make an All-Star team or close to it which I’m fairly certain he won’t even though I like him.
Good luck to Bogi! I’ll be rooting for him on the Hawks.
This team would max out as an 8th seed if we ran it back with Bogi and looked to build from there. Let’s get to the front of the line in the 2021 draft and grab us a ringer.
It’s a tough to take, but I do think this is the right call. The bigger frustration for me is that this ended up a problem to begin with, for much higher stakes than it should have. Bogi and Buddy, and the mismanagement of them as assets before this moment was obvious and simply in need of common sense GMing. Both in a longterm capacity was never going to be the best option.
Monte deserves to be critiqued for his decisions moving forward, of course. But this was a problem created by Vlade Divac. With that in mind, he deserves to dictate his future with in my view, is more options now, than what would have been available post agreeing to this. Just my opinion.
Happy for Bogi, thanks for the good times. This is a tough one, but I do think it might make future decisions easier moving forward than this one was.
Well said. The lasting legacy of Vlade’s tenure for me are improvised moves that obtain players without a coherent fit and no clear indication they should actually fit as a core. This is us attempting to correct that mess. It is painful and illogical, but in many ways so is this roster.
The only thing I disagree with you about Monte’s decision is that it’s illogical. There’s plenty of logic behind the decision to not match Bogi’s deal with ATL whether you agree or disagree with the decision.
I’m sorry it’s come to this as well. I’m just glad the whole ordeal is over, and the franchise can just move forward.
I think this sums it up very well zebra. People wanting to lay blame at Monte’s feet for this particular situation I think are looking in the wrong place. From this point forward he will definitely be graded on what happens with Buddy/Barnes/Bjelly/Cojo but for this particular move I think he was put in a pretty untenable situation from the jump. He almost got out of it with the Bucks S&T but as soon as that got blown up we were sunk.
Come on, that’s silly. It was a tough decision, but he really took the easy way out here. We will see if that was the right decision, but he doesn’t get a pass because Vlade put him in a tough spot.
I get where you’re coming from but I’m personally not holding this against him because I don’t really mind the fact that Bogi is gone. Even without compensation, I can at least see some logic behind it. As with every Kings decision, we’ll see how this all plays out and if this FO can’t build a winner then it’s same old same old and this will be one more dumb decision in a long line of them. But I have liked what I’ve heard from them so far and I loved what they did in the draft so I’m willing to trust their judgement on this one.
Good luck Bogi, you deserve better than the Sacramento Kings.
Disappointed with this…not very impressed with McNair so far.
He’s now failed one of his first two tests as the GM: (1) getting a decent return in the draft and (2) getting compensation for Bogi.
1/2
50%
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don’t forget not keeping a potential starter who might be better than the guy you keep talking about building the team around. Giles for the insanely easy decision price of 3 million for 1 year and you decided to pass and sunk a huge investment by this franchise.
and don’t forget not firing Luke.
So he’s 1 for 4 so far.
My hope and excitement for Monty is officially dead.
I hope he can change my mind with this supposed vision that includes letting assets walk for free. Doing my best to stay open minded.
You honestly think Bogi is better than Fox?
He has been. If he is down the road, we are in big trouble.
It’s Monte not Monty.
I’ll make a prediction: Giles will be out of the league in 2 years.
I’ve read that not firing Luke is a financial decision. They don’t want to hire a new coach until the next offseason for financial reasons.
I tend to believe this as well. I think Luke will be the tank commander this season and he’ll be gone at the end of the year.
For those keeping score, In the Vivek era the following assets have walked and the Kings have nothing to show for it:
Bogi
IT
WCS
Gay
Giles
Collison
Curry
Good teams don’t operate this way.
But it’s cool because now there’s more cap space.
am I doing this right?
FO had little time to clean up Vlade’s mess. They lined up a decent trade and got screwed because their trade partner was also in a small market.
I’m not putting this on McNair & Co.
There is little doubt the FO understands the trade market for its veterans: Barnes, Hield, CoJo, etc. It seems reasonable to assume the FO believed adding another player on a borderline contract to trade within one season would decrease leverage and reduce gross return.
I don’t want to be that guy that shits on Vlade any chance I get, but this is one of the not so rare occasions that his decision making has fucked us over. The fact that he didn’t trade Bogi at the deadline is ridiculous. What was he gonna do with 2 starting SG’s? Seriously?
At this point in time especially when you’ve had 3 yr evaluations of both players, you still can’t decide which to keep and which one to pay? I mean yes he paid Buddy, so he should have traded Bogi.
I don’t really fault Monte here. Though, I would’ve much rather match – keep the talent and trade whoever this season or the next. But this is why I’m not a GM and he is. But if financial flexibility is what we’re after then that’s fine by me. We just have to move on.
Just goes to show how much bad management can do to a team. And this was just one year (last year). We had Vlade since 2015.
And now we get to welcome in more bad management! 🙂
Common dude, just because Monte didn’t match the offer of your favorite player does not mean he’s a bad GM.. Sheesh!
FYI:
https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1331423335532670980
I have to laugh at this because there is no one worth either of those exceptions in the free agency market.
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Fuck no to Whiteside.
Furthermore, what would paying anybody with those exceptions do to improve the team?
all aboard the sac-town tank!
I got my ticket early.
I know it’s irrelevant to the Bogi news, but this is a prime example of why I’ll put my faith in McNair over the previous FO’s choices.
This team hasn’t made the playoffs in 14 years, and are near the cap with 5 open roster spots! Holy hell
F Vlade and F Peaches
Welp…I am sad, but not torn up about it. Whats the possibility of a Buddy trade happening before the season or by All Star break?
Zero.
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Wait so Buddy was tradeable a few hours ago and now he’s not? I mean seriously I know you’re upset but I think Buddy now has a better chance of fetching more in a trade because he’s going to play a ton of minutes and get to shoot a ton of shots. If he makes more than he did last year, which is a reasonable assumption, his value should improve a little bit.
I would have matched, but I understand the rationale. After this year, we may find out if more minutes are better for player development or if mentoring is better. Bogi would have been a great mentor for Haliburton, but he would have taken some minutes from him. I still want to see a Fox-Hield-Haliburton-Barnes-Bagley line-up regularly this year.
That lineup would get absolutely destroyed. Hali is 6’5 185, bagley and hield cant play defense either. Barnes is getting long in the tooth as well…actually that lineup would be great for the tank to roll through Sac!
This is where a guy like Bazemore or Snell would have fit. Putting one of them at the 3 with Holmes would offer a lot more response for the switch and open up to an quicker pace. Though to me the real missing ingredient is a stretch 5 not named Dedmon. That’s why I’d be calling Indy about Turner.
Sure, if the plan is to try to win games this year.
The mentor ship part is even more a reason as to why we should have kept Bogi and traded Buddy.
Haliburton gets to learn from Buddy now!
yeah. Great job Monty.
Who will play for Bagley during the 60 games he misses for injury
Sound decision to let him walk. People seem to assume the league is going to be in good financial shape next year. I beg to differ, the NBA is in trouble and revenue losses will continue. Besides COVID be far from over, many fans were lost this past season and won’t be coming back. Smart move not to overpay. Bye Bogi.
I think the league has already given teams an idea of what the cap figures will look like. Think I’d trust them over your guesswork.
This is a bad move at this point in time, and its why I don’t like it.
To lose Bogi for no compensation = Bad (don’t think anyone disagrees)
This can go on and on, but the point is that we chose a definite bad outcome when good/okay outcomes were still realistically possible. We may have ended up with some other bad outcome down the line had we matched, but it was still possible to avoid.
Our short-on-assets team just let the now-third-best asset walk away for absolutely nothing.
We’re so pained as a fanbase we forget the move that was made. The trade to MIL. I bet we’ll find out Bogi’s agent leaked it, but regardless, the agenda wasn’t let Bogi leave. But the FA period lapsed and we were standing without many chairs. Yes this sucks. Yes we gave up one of the only assets on an asset-poor team. But I don’t blame Monte. Vlade created this mess by extending Hield while clinging to Bogi for nothing. Did he think he’d take a discount or something? We’ll love on. Bogi already has. The Kings are starting over. Every step now accelerates that process. Clinging to Bogi for another season at 18M with a no-trade while Buddy broods achieves next to nothing.
Our new GM had a chance to fix past mistakes while being in a better position to make future moves.
yet we did the opposite of obvious and made it harder on ourselves. Go Monty!!!
Really well articulated NorCal Kings fan.
this is why I am so upset. Because we chose to do this to ourselves and we continuously do it over and over and over again. It’s depressing.
Best of luck to Bogi. Guy is a pros pro. Skal is on hawks too? Hoping he somehow finds a way into rotation too. Hawks did great.
Good luck Bogi. You got out of basketball hell.
and stop worrying about the playoffs guys. We’re about to set a world record in just two more seasons!! Well be in the history books forever for being the greatest at that!
I was torn on this…I’m not sure there was a perfect answer once the Bucks deal got shut down. Everyone saying the Kings should have done a sign and trade and got something back…that’s an easy statement to make and I’m sure they were trying like hell to do so! I was hoping they could leverage and get Huerter once Bucks fell through. I think majority of us were OK with the Bucks deal. Once that deal went down though the cat was out of the bag.
Atlanta knew McNair did not value Bogi as much as Buddy it seems. He was willing to trade Bogi when his value was 14-15 mill on to the Bucks. Atlanta basically figured that McNair didn’t want anything to do with Bogi on a 18 mill a year deal with the kicker. He got screwed over on the Bucks deal (who knows why) and didn’t see Bogi as a 18 mill a year player along his vision for the team. We can agree or disagree on that value, but it seems apparent this is where McNair was at. He didn’t compound the problem by signing him to a contract he didn’t believe him or feel would necessarily be easy to flip later on. I don’t love how it all played out, but it feels the hate on McNair is a bit misguided.
Also with Buddy, everyone wants him the F out it seems. I’ve done more than my fair share of Buddy trade ideas research. But I went back and checked the site comments on the old site and 1 year ago most of that site was celebrating at getting Buddy at 4 for $86. He didn’t fall off a total cliff this year…we constantly bitch about Walton and his usage of him this past year. We have no idea how long Walton will actually be the coach. Could be as soon as a few months and he’s gone. It’s not unrealistic to think Buddy has a year more similar to 18-19 and bounces back in the future. Maybe you personally don’t like that Buddy from 18-19…but the majority of us did a year ago and wanted him resigned.
I think we all have different valuations of players and it effects are opinions on what moves should be made. McNair seems to value Buddy more than Bogi…most of us did a year and a bad coach ago. It’s not a ridiculous idea that this could be the final outcome and that his evaluation is wrong. We have no track record with Mcnair that proves otherwise really.
The argument made to sign him now and get back more value for him next year could work. Maybe McNair doesn’t envision it going that way. If he wants to develop Haliburton, Bogi’s minutes and production are not likely to increase. This was likely the high point in terms of production of Bogi as a King. If he is averaging 12/2/3 next year in 24 minutes a game are teams lining up for the last 3 years of that contract? I doubt it. Might not even be a neutral value contract at that point. Then where are we at? I think it was close but the more I reflect I think this was probably the right decision based on how the draft played out and future vision for the team McNair seems to have. Hard to say.
Someone else gets it
I think Buddy will need to be traded at some point b/c the Kings are rebuilding & he doesn’t fit the timeline for building around Fox. I hope the Kings can get good assets for him.
A lot of people don’t know what they are talking about
Buddy is and has always been the better player. 20/5/3 on good splits with motor. Bogdan is inconsistent with little impact, I hardly noticed him this spring
team is rebuilding and getting high picks, Bogdan doesn’t fit on the court or in the standings taking minutes from our youth
the same people who complain about Buddy last year think he has trade value? Try respecting Buddy and the trade market
Giles sucks. He is in no way a PF (athleticism/range) or a center. His advanced stats are putrid and he can barely move
And Bogdan has no business on that contract
Agree with this. There was a lot of projecting performance on to Bogi that wasn’t there.
Buddy & BB8 are about equally good. Re-signing BB8 & trading him for assets would’ve been part of my plan. Buddy’s trade value will probably need to be built back up, but he should be traded as soon as the Kings can get good assets for him.
I’m sure some people must be with me in the Buddy>Bogi camp. I loved having both but if a team was going to offer that much, there was nothing we could do but match or let him walk. The original Moneyball decision here. Buddy might be overpaid but not if he starts and you coach him to play like Klay Thompson. Then he is just paid. Perhaps Bogi will not be overpaid for the Hawks either if he and Trae are optimized together, but I know it would have been an overpay to keep him on a Kings team with Fox and Buddy (and I believe Buddy has a singular elite talent for threes so he is more worth a big check than Bogi who is a good jack of all trades but not elite at any one thing). I get a bit tired of Kings fans undervaluing Buddy just because he would rather play on a winning team (that’s actually a good sign) and has a diva mentality (that’s not a good sign, but if a coach can get him to turn that into Klay Thompsonalbeit with far less defensethen that’s still a win). Perhaps we are looking with longing at Duncan Robinson (I had no idea who he was til last season) and Tyler Herro (I believe we could have drafted him if that pick we traded way back when had stayed with us), but a three-point shooter as great as Robinson on such a cheap contract is an extreme outlier, and Herro was not available to us since we didn’t have that draft pick. So all in all, we need to lean into Buddy’s three-point prowess, Bogi wanted to start, and that’s that. S&T to Bucks for DiVincenzo was perfect for all sides *except* uhhh Bogi would have needed to *sign on the line that is dotted*, which he didn’t want to do when ATL was giving him 2016-overpaid-contracts style money. Remember he could have agreed to less money to S&T if he preferred MIL, but he didn’t. Ultimately, we got three seasons with him, so we didn’t get nothing. I’m all for player empowerment. It’s nice when you can S&T but the player has to agree and MIL wasn’t offering anywhere close to the same money. Sure we don’t get an asset back, but the A’s lost Johnny Damon for nothing, had one horrible season and then were right back in the playoffs thanks to Moneyball. Time for Monteball! I’m no true believer or anything, but it’s just not a tragedy. Picking Bagley over Luka was a tragedy, and Hawks are in a similar boat with picking Trae over Luka, though at least Trae appears to be a star-caliber player whereas Bagley is merely in the rotation.
Buddy’s an elite shooter, but his poor defense & lack of playmaking make him a flawed player who’s overpaid. Klay was a much better defender than Buddy (though that probably won’t be true in the future due to Klay’s injuries). It’s unlikely that this contract will be an overpay for BB8.
I would’ve matched this offer for BB8, but I would’ve traded BB8 & Buddy as soon as a good trade was available. Buddy shouldn’t be part of the long-term plans for the Kings (& I also would’ve said that about BB8 if the Kings had kept him).
Goodluck in Atlanta, Bogi! Would have love for you to stay but I understand Mcnair’s decision not to match.. He have said it a ton of times about maintaining flexibility the moment he became the GM of the Kings.
I know it kinda sucks losing an asset without getting something in return but hey its always a tough decision either way. I’m just glad Monte stuck to his plan about maintaining flexibility and have not wavered on that. With or without Bogi we aren’t making the playoffs. Might as well roll with all our young guns, operate under the cap (which Vivek and most owners would be happy especially this pandemic), maintain flexibility throughout the season for a chance at a trade to eat a bad contract for draft picks, and not worry about tying too much money on role players.
I expect Monte will continue to find a way to trade Buddy, Barnes and Cojo throughout the course of the season. Let the purge begin!
I don’t think the Kings have enough cap space to eat a bad contract for picks. Trading Barnes will probably be hard. Trading Buddy for a good return will probably require him to build his value back up. Joseph’s essentially on an expiring contract, so he doesn’t need to be traded.
exactly, we are unlikely to even have enough cap space to take anything on for at least year anyway…meaning we have no flexibility and no Bogi to show for it.
Yup. Given the minimal cap space that the Kings have next season, losing an asset like BB8 for nothing hurts.
And we lose a quality starter with a high IQ. Another season of tanking for this stuggeling franchise. Now time to over pay for free agents
If we were going to overpay free agents, we’d have matched the offer.
This seemed to be a fair contract for BB8, so it probably wouldn’t have been hard to trade it.
It doesn’t seem that easy to me. ATL seems to be the only team offering that much for Bogi which is why he signed that offer sheet and not any other. Sure Bucks liked him at $12-14M but wouldn’t/couldn’t take him for more, not sure what the market for Bogi at $21M (+15%) is, but it couldn’t be much.
Plus you might likely have to burn another year of Bogi’s prime before you could trade him next offseason and his value might likely go down in the meantime. If there were multiple suitors at this price level McNair would have worked out an S&T before Bogi signed the ATL offer sheet. The Bucks deal clearly demonstrates he was capable of and trying to do that. But if there’s no willing trade partner there then this is the result you get.
Atlanta was the only team that was linked to BB8 that could’ve signed him to that contract w/o a sign & trade. The Bucks couldn’t have signed him for that much $ even w/a sign & trade.
Yeah, that’s what I’m saying, not much of a market for Bogi at that price.
Maybe as an injury replacement mid-season on a contender, and anything is possible next offseason, but nothing available short-term.
I think the Kings would’ve been able to trade him for some good assets by the next offseason at the latest.
pathetic
I wonder what is regarded as a tougher contract to move: Barnes at 4/85 or BB8 for 4/72 especially if you ignore the fact that Barnes only has 3 years left. Like I would be interested in knowing what the NBA world thinks which contract is providing more value per dollar. I guess Barnes’ position/skillset may be more scarce than Bogdan, but would kings fans rather have one or the other on their team.
Barnes is generally considered overpaid. BB8’s contract seems to be considered fair value (which is why I think he would’ve been fairly easy to trade).
I’d say Bogi. Barnes gets cheaper as you go, and you’re out of it a year earlier.
Honestly I think the Kings are better off getting out of the Bogan business. The return wasn’t there on a sign and trade and the team needs to get younger. It hurts to get a decent player and lose him for nothing, but he isn’t exactly franchise altering. Looking forward to the Kings improving on the margins.
Since we have 5 roster spots open now, best way to move forward is to look for undrafted players and g-league gems. The more talent we evaluate, the better.
This was about saving money. Plain and simple. Roster flexibility taking a dump on the fans. This is a move away from near term contention. Squandered an asset that was in demand.
maybe matching complicates league investigation? Imagine case will get dropped quickly now. Sad day for kings fans
Near-term contention wasn’t gonna happen regardless of whether or not they re-signed BB8. The position the Kings are in requires them to trade players like Buddy & Barnes if they can get good future assets for them.
I would of kept Bogi, but I’m a random fan, but a GM, and we’ll see.
Couple of things, Buddy’s contact is not much worst than Bogi’s, he gets 25 mil this season, but then only 18.5 every season after that. Which is close to what Bogi is making, there is no trade kicker, and no restrictions. Buddy might be the easier contract to move. Plus Bogi did have some health issues last year if he gets hurt is value becomes zero.
For those who are ok with letting Bogi walk to embrace the tank and keep a clean cap sheet, all of which I am cool with, this would make zero sense.
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That I agree with unless it’s for the minimum or somewhere close to it.
Sign him to a minimum then trade him at the deadline for a first round pick.
I will have a hard time believing they have a real plan in place if they make this move.
I wonder how much longer that banner needs to stay up? It makes me sad man.
If I have learned anything over the years on this forum, it’s that people here tend to overvalue our own players. Bogi’s salary of 18 mil/year is on the middle-high end of what someone with his stat line produces. There are players signed to smaller contracts who are about as good as Bogi. There are players that we can sign to fill other spots that we can now sign with cap flexibility. I understand people think this is a negative but it will be a positive at the end of the day with our cap flexibility.
The Kings don’t have much cap flexibility.
It’s not just local fans that overrated him then. Most national writers feel that annual is a fair value for Bogi.
Wait….what players can we sign exactly? Like really….who’s available? Whiteside?
All you need to do is google. 2020 Free Agent Tracker | NBA.com
Not going to name names because I know it will turn into (name a name here) someone else laughs and says that’s a bad player, rinse, repeat all day. I see a few names we can add, though.
Bogi doesn’t do the things McNair believes a team needs to do to win in the NBA. Good, not great shooter. Good, not great passer. Mediocre to overmatched on defense. It would have been insanity for him to sink 4 years/72 million into resigning him.
BB8’s shooting & playmaking make him a useful player. That contract is a fair value.
When’s Vanja Marinkovic coming over? Next Serb up!!
Off topic, but some one on Reddit gave an update on 2nd contracts from the 2016 draft. Three Kings 1st round selections and four years later none of them currently have an NBA contract in place.
The Kings got BB8 as a result of a trade in that draft, so this situation could be taken into account WRT that draft.
Yeah, just looking at draft talent evaluation here, not anything else.
11 are starters (or getting paid like one)
10 are hanging on to roster sports
9 are out of the league
All three Kings picks have wound up in that last category. Not great.
Remember when we had Ben McLemore as our starting SG? Until this trade we had Buddy, James, Ramsey who play it naturally and Fox, CoJo, an Haliburton who can play it in stretches. That was a huge logjam. i was in the match him camp, but not terribly upset that he’s moved on. Liked the guy and he was always a class act and I’ll root for himgoing forward. We’ve tried for at least 7-8 years to bring in aging vets to maybe hopefully scratch out an 8th seed. It never worked. Time for a new approach. It will be painful but at least it’s somethimg different.
Love the decision, Monte clearly has bigger balls than a lot of these people saying we shouldn’t let him go. Glad to see the man at top doesn’t want continuation of perpetual mediocrity like some do. Goodbye to Bogi, the guy who rejected our chance to get something for him, had quite a few injuries, didn’t play much defense, and was very inconsistent. Teams with Bogi never made playoffs! Get over it, I will let pretty much every player from a crappy squad go, no remorse, nothing to miss.
The assets we would have gotten for Bogi weren’t that great, you know why? Because Bogi wasn’t that great.
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