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Patience is a virtue, inaction is a failure

Monte McNair may be patient, but Kings fans won't be.
By | 173 Comments | Jun 12, 2021

© Kyle Terada-USA TODAY Sports

It’s widely expected that the Sacramento Kings will make a big roster move this summer. After all, Kings GM Monte McNair hitched his wagon to Luke Walton. If McNair isn’t changing the coach, but is expecting the Kings to take a step forward, it stands to reason that he would try to improve the roster.

But with that expectation comes new opportunity for disappointment. In his latest mailbag for The Athletic, Jason Jones suggests that a big move may not actually be coming this summer:

I think it’s fair to expect McNair to take a big swing €” most likely via trade €” this offseason. But I wouldn’t be shocked if it didn’t happen. Not keeping Bogdanovic was about maintaining financial flexibility, but McNair also wants to be prudent and smart about when he makes a move. The deal the Kings make might not happen this summer, so fans should be prepared for that. A big deal could happen during the season, too.

Seeing this kind of preemptive moving goal post makes me nervous. It’s pushing back a deadline that’s already been pushed many times. First it was that it was ok for the Kings to not make a big move last summer because McNair was new and didn’t need to rush into a move. Then we were told that we should be patient when the Kings didn’t make a big move at the trade deadline. Now it’s being suggested that we shouldn’t be overly eager for a move this summer.

It is, of course, important that McNair not make moves for the sake of making moves. Kings fans will be just as mad at a bad trade as they will be over no trades at all. But at a certain point McNair will no longer be patient, he’ll be Danny Ainge but without any blockbusters or titles. He’ll just be the guy who almost made big moves.

Perhaps this is all an overreaction to nothing, it may have just been Jones speculating. But Kings fans have been down this road too many times before, where the excuses for the action (or in this case, inaction) come in advance.

Monte McNair may have endless patience, but he’s a fool if he thinks Kings fans will.

 

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SMF-PDXConnection
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June 12, 2021 8:18 am

I think they’ll keep preaching patience and moving goal posts as long as there are still people who will buy tickets and merch regardless the state of the team, and if my anecdotal viewing is any indication, that crowd still outnumbers the angry and the apathetic.

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June 12, 2021 3:38 pm

Agreed 100 percent. Some owners want to win. Some owners want to make money. There are some in both camps, but not many.

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June 13, 2021 6:40 pm

Profit sharing allows owners to get paid regardless of team success.

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June 13, 2021 10:00 pm

What?

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June 12, 2021 8:24 am

I’m getting more and more of the feeling that monte is stuck and Vivek is now running this fully via Dumars. Monte is just the next fall guy.

I think that after what we saw at the trade deadline it’s one of the only things that makes sense.

Also it’s the fact that Monte may be new but what’s honestly changed? All these moves or lack of them have the Vivek stink on them. It can’t be said that Mullen, D’Alessandro, Vlade and now McNair all do the same stupid shit over and over?

Mark my words the €œbig move€ will get sold as resigning Holmes if and it’s a big if they resign him. But there was no doubt that Vivek thinks this team is just fine, remember all we have to do is go 2-7 twice instead of 0-9 and we would have been in.

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June 12, 2021 8:36 am

I think it’s a little more nuanced than that. I don’t think Vivek and Dumars have much say in whether the Kings chase a Terrance Davis for limited assets trade or if they resign him as long as Monte stays under the tax.

Conversely, if Monte is giving Vivek a heads up that Dallas offered Portzings for a deal centered around Buddy and he’s not talking it €¦ and Vivek is intrigued by the offer or Dumars wants to have a meeting to talk it out €¦ Monte cannot stop that process or it potentially leading to a bad move that he fundamentally disagrees with.

Thus €œtotal control€ about 90% of the time, but also no control over the key aspects of the job and his best assets. Like the other 3 GMs under Vivek, where it all funnels to a bad owner with horrible instincts

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June 12, 2021 8:42 am
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That’s also my point though if that 10% is the most critical of the job what does the other 90% matter. I think this is why the moving the deck chairs analogy has lasted as a theme for so long under this ownership group.

I can’t believe I’m even saying this now but at least with the Maloofs you knew it was financial ruin for decisions outside of basketball that led to bad decisions or money only decisions. This is worse this is consistent ego and bravado that everyone else around him is wrong he just needs the right people to enact his €œvision€.

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June 12, 2021 8:53 am

Agreed. The Kings are a poorly run, cash strapped, small market team. Which is why the stories above are always selling that maybe THIS IS THE YEAR that they draw an inside straight (despite the math)

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June 12, 2021 3:42 pm
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€œAll Bagley and Buddy trades have to be approved by me, because I still believe Bagley is better than Luka and Buddy is our Steph Curry €¦ Shakas.€

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June 12, 2021 3:40 pm

Hard part is, they extended Pervis Bagley so they don’t have the money to re-sign Holmes at market value.

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June 12, 2021 10:32 pm

Throwing more money at a player who was injured at the time and has been injured for his entire career was awesome.

Almost as amazing as drafting him.

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June 13, 2021 6:52 pm

You forgot Matina

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June 12, 2021 8:26 am

I get why many Kings fans and the local media (who are seeing Kings rating and interest among the general public in town evaporate) desire a big move. But, it’s unclear to me why it’s logical to expect it THIS summer. The cap is really screwed up. Because they chased 10th past the point of reason, the draft pick probably isn’t going to be great. They aren’t moving Fox or Hailburton. They just let the next best asset walk for nothing. Kings fans over value the remaining assets, who have issues other teams will factor into trades when deciding what to send back.

Any big move is going to be hard to execute. A safe big one is almost off the table. So, you’re expecting a second year GM to push many of his remaining chips into the middle with bad cards? If the Kings make a €œbig move€ it’s probably another Vivek special because he still thinks he’s smart enough to circumvent how 25 other teams would play it.

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June 13, 2021 4:58 am
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Oh, it’s difficult? Let’s just give our FO a mulligan for two seasons, then.

I mean, Monte knew what kind of situation he was signing up for. He gets paid to do the difficult things, not to maintain the status quo (which is entirely shitty) for two whole seasons because big moves are going to be hard to execute.

There are no such things as safe moves, by the way.

In the meantime, other teams are improving, retooling, amassing assets and making deals.

As Jerry Renolds said (paraphrasing): a 4 year plan is not a plan, it’s an excuse to sit on you butt cheeks and get your pay checks.

Kingme18
June 12, 2021 8:57 am

Can we just throw a bunch of money at CP3?

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June 12, 2021 2:28 pm
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When you think about it, signing or trading for CP3 worked for Hou, Phx and even Okc. If CP3 were to stay healthy it would likely equate to an 8th seed.
The problem is fit with Fox and Hali, plus we don’t have the money to sign him anyways.

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June 14, 2021 6:33 am
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Don’t see that as a problem at all. He’s a stud that all of our young guys can learn from. He won everywhere. The ultimate leader and pro and winner. We need a winning culture.

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June 14, 2021 11:01 am
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Assuming the Kings should go after Paul (which I’m not at all convinced of unless other MAJOR moves are also in the works), I have a hard time imagining why Paul would consider signing with the Kings.

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June 14, 2021 2:43 pm

I have a hard time imagining why Paul would consider signing with the Kings.

Ring chasing, amirite? Hello? Is this thing on?

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June 12, 2021 3:43 pm
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I would assume that if Phoenix doesn’t win it, CP3 will start the ring chasing portion of his career and sign with Golden State or the Lakers for the MLE or even the vet minimum.

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June 12, 2021 4:17 pm

Paul has a $44 million player option for next season. Why would he opt out to sign for the vet minimum lol. It’s already been reported he plans to opt out for one last major contract. Given the way he’s playing, he’ll get it.

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June 13, 2021 1:10 pm
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Let’s try again, using reading comprehension this time. I’ll type slower for you.

I didn’t say he’d try to leave after this year. Also, Golden State, for example, has nowhere near that kind of money to give him if/when he’s available, unless they unloaded several pieces specifically to acquire him.

Ergo, if he wanted to go to a team like Golden State that’s at or maxed past the salary cap, he would, indeed, for a fact, have to settle for a ring-chasing deal more like the MLE or vet minimum.

Does that make more sense?

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June 13, 2021 8:55 pm

No. Your first comment made no sense and you saved no face with this one by trying to spin your comment. It’s okay you didn’t know Paul has a $44 million player option for next season. You seriously thought he is a vet minimum player. Well, he’s in the WCF after dropping 37 in a closeout. I’m sure in your world he’ll be opting out for the mid level this off season.
As you were.

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June 13, 2021 4:58 am
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We’d probably miss.

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June 12, 2021 9:14 am

You’re wrong, Greg. The new front office needs time to assess, re-assess, and assess their re-assessment. That’s at least three years right there.

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June 12, 2021 10:05 am

Wait so we are now 3 years away from being 3 years away from being 3 years away?

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June 12, 2021 10:29 am

Must remember the Suns, Knicks and Hawks only improved by 20 + games with little if any draft help ! It is done yearly , just not in Kangz land !

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June 12, 2021 2:29 pm
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Great point. It’s not like going from no playoffs to an 8th seed is all that difficult, it just is for the franchise.

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June 12, 2021 9:18 am

Lol, trying to tell a fanbase who has dealt with suckitude for 15 years (and likely going on for longer) to be patient is a hard sell.

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June 12, 2021 1:19 pm
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15 years??? Try 25+ out of the last 35. Patience my ass.

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June 12, 2021 2:30 pm
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My favorite factoid about our playoff drought is we haven’t been to the playoffs since the advent of the iPhone. Just astonishing!

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June 12, 2021 3:45 pm
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To be specific, 7 winning seasons in 36 years. And those seven seasons were in succession, so really 29 straight losing seasons not counting the Webber era.

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June 13, 2021 1:13 pm

LOL, I love the thumb down on this comment €¦ it’s actually just a fact, I’m not making it up.

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June 12, 2021 9:34 am

First of all, does “BIG” roster move means trading away Hield and Bagley ?
If so, then McNair should definitely do it.
If not, then I think we should not make “BIG” roster move

In case of not able to trade away Hield, Bagley..

then just re-sign Davis, Harkless….and maybe Holmes….keep most of the same roster…and calls it an end of the off-season.

As we are retaining Luke Walton as the head coach, and he had experience at coaching this roster……and I don’t prefer/want Walton spending extra time to “work-out” the starter and the 2nd unit againwe need consistency !!!!

PG: Fox, Wright
SG: Tyrese, Davis
SF: Cade Cunningham/ Kuminga, Harkless
PF: Barnes, Metu
C: D. Jones

p.s. I really have faith that we are landing Cunningham/ Kuminga…….just cannot wait for the draft lottery !!!

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June 12, 2021 2:31 pm

Your plan makes sense if we land in the top 3; otherwise, picking at 9 likely isn’t changing anything anytime soon.

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June 12, 2021 9:42 am

it’s usually better to be a smart hitter.

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June 12, 2021 12:31 pm
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You can’t hit the ball if you refuse to swing the bat.

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June 12, 2021 12:56 pm
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He got some clean hits with Wright, Harkless and TD. Haliburton is looking like a stand-up double. Drew a lot of walks not swinging at the garbage offered for Barnes.

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June 13, 2021 5:03 am
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Too bad that these singles came in the 9th, and the Kings down 8 runs and with no bullpen to write home about.

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June 13, 2021 9:04 am
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it was a counterpoint to Carl’s comment implying McNair never swung the bat. He did swing and get some nice hits. So again €¦ my initial comment was a truism €¦ it’s usually better to be a smart hitter. If you argue with it, you’ll probably whiff at a splitter in the dirt.

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June 13, 2021 10:20 am
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I see your point, and appreciate your perspective. I would counter that we saw 31 wins McNair’s first season as GM. Same as the season before. Drafting Haliburton was good but lucky. Wright looks like a rotation player for $6 million next season, so competent. I don’t see the rest affecting wins one way or another. It’s not even close to enough improvement.

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June 13, 2021 10:09 am
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And to counter your comment that last year was the 9th inning, McNair said his goal is to build a sustained playoff team. Therefore in this baseball analogy, last year was the first inning, or if you go off Fox’s career, it would have been the 4th inning.

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June 13, 2021 8:27 am
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What garbage ? Just cover for not making any major trade ! Facts please, not leaked Kings excuses !

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June 13, 2021 9:09 am
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James Naismith was the founder of basketball. Aaron Nesmith was advertised as the 6’6€ monster with a 6’11€ wingspan that the game has evolved into. But his name is not Naismith, it’s Nesmith, and he’s about 6’3€ and did not win a single SEC game.

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June 13, 2021 6:53 pm
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lawyerballed

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June 12, 2021 10:01 am

The €œstar€/ €œstud€ that the Kings get will probably come in the draft. Any trades unless you find another idiot GM/owner for the Kings will probably end up reshuffling the chair on the titanic.

Who has the Kings gotten in the past decade + has result in the Kings getting a bona-fide star. Our best players have always come in the draft (Tyreke, Cousins, Fox etc.)

Maybe the Kings should look for that potential 2nd/3rd best player in a trade.

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June 12, 2021 10:10 am
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the Kings should look for that potential 2nd/3rd best player in a trade.

which would be the realistic available target ?

I only know KP, Sexton would be on the trading block (and maybe CJ McCollom and A. Gordon too)

but I would rather not trading for one of the above, just keep the flexibility, as the above mentioned players cannot really move the needle.

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June 12, 2021 10:31 am
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Actually not . Richmond and Webber came via trade !

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June 12, 2021 10:46 am
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But they got Richmond because they had the third pick in the draft (and Billy Owens was unsigned on opening night because we were, like now NBA Siberia, and then Warriors mistakenly undervalued Richmond and traded him for a lesser prospect with size.) While the Kings got Webber and Nets pulled Kidd as distressed asset that were obligated to report to bad and undesirable teams around the same time €¦ 20 years later, high end star players often with shorter contacts and more agency can often avoid the 10 worst situations in the NBA.

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June 12, 2021 11:09 am
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Couldn’t agree more about the last part. I in no way shape or form see a Webber situation playing out the same way again.

Meaning trade goes down, player says he would rather retire than play here, 2021 Webber gets his forced trade out of hell.

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June 12, 2021 2:46 pm

The last two CP3 trades make me think otherwise. Get a dude locked into a contract and there’s honestly not much he can do if he’s not willing to retire. Being a diva will land you without a job no matter how big your name is €” see Melo pre-Portland.

A disappointing season from the right championship hopeful will open up some opportunities. If the Clips and Bucks both go down in the 2nd round, Middleton and/or George might become available due to long term high dollar contracts. Other key players from teams who fail to win the championship may become suddenly available €” Ben Simmons, Tobias Harris, Aaron Gordon, Montezl Harrell, Marcus Smart, Jaylen Brown, Bradley Beal, Pascal Siakham all stand out as guys who might be available for the right package.

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June 12, 2021 6:55 pm
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Well I agree with that it’s more who is on a contract that is long and is worth the price to acquire that star? I mean to get CP3 in a trade like Phoenix did they got lucky. Paul George? He would take what they gave up. Which is youth and picks. So let’s say it takes fox and a couple picks for George. Are we really better with him?

We don’t really have any assets that are going to help get those guys. Unless it’s all our assets combined.

The reason why I think a disgruntled €œstar€ being traded here isn’t gonna just go quietly along with it is because anyone who has talent isn’t going to want to be the one and only here like Mitch was back in the day. You heard his podcast interview on what happened when he was traded. That was 30 years ago. Paul George or anyone else with talent isn’t gonna just take a trade here. Unless they are on the downward slide and aren’t worth the contract anymore.

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June 12, 2021 3:46 pm
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For each other!

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June 12, 2021 10:19 am

Do something, don’t do something, I’m not sure it matters as long as Vivek is the owner. He clearly has no interest in building a winning organization. On the plus side, the missed playoff streak is going to be so long that it will NEVER be broken again. I just hope we get a banner when we break the record. It will be the most impressive thing this organization has ever accomplished.

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June 12, 2021 2:08 pm

If they won’t put up a banner, I’m sure some fans will at the G1C entrance for the last game of next season.

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June 12, 2021 4:45 pm

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June 12, 2021 8:14 pm

A handmade banner outside the arena would be awesome. Very fitting.

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June 13, 2021 3:45 pm

I’d be there to partake. I’ll bring a camping chair and park it next to the ugly Piglet statue I’ll bring a sign that reads something like: “NBA record playoff drought…nice arena though.”

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June 13, 2021 10:59 pm
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Seriously this is the thing I’d show up for at this point. I just feel like this level of ineptitude should be €œcelebrated€.

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June 12, 2021 6:11 pm

Vivek’s ego is and has been running the show. He’s a real piece of shit owner.

It’s the same shit over and over and over. Rehiring Luke. Drafting Bags. Tying up too much money in Buddy and Barnes. Hiring a GM and not letting him do his thing.

This organization is a fucking joke. I’m worried they will barely get into the playin and declare success and keep doing this shit.

The only way out is to bottom
out to a point where fans stop going to games or buying shit.

I am barely paying attention to this team anymore. It’s run by assholes and idiots.

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June 12, 2021 8:16 pm
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Yeah I mean I really like watching Haliburton and Fox but I really have very little attachment to this team anymore. I was a diehard as they come but now when they lose I just sort of chuckle and move on.

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June 13, 2021 8:36 am

Honestly, I’ve even soured on Fox a bit because of his Walton support and the losing streak comments just rubbing me the wrong way.

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June 13, 2021 1:57 pm

Plus his suspect hamburger preferences.

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June 13, 2021 2:13 pm
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So much this. I don’t understand why anyone would ever eat at Whataburger OR In N Out. Both are incredibly and ridiculously overrated.

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June 13, 2021 9:45 pm
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So everything I read on The Kings Herald related to food is garbage… great….

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June 13, 2021 11:01 pm
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I agree with this take. There are so many local places around in most cities that are so much better. They aren’t hard to find either.

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June 14, 2021 11:04 am
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Because they may be the best option you can see from the freeway while driving to get somewhere else?

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June 14, 2021 11:07 am

That’s not an argument in favor. That’s why fast food is so widespread in American culture.

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June 14, 2021 1:08 pm
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It’s an argument in favor within the context.

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June 14, 2021 8:04 pm
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In-N-Out is good for fast food, but not good compared to real food.

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June 15, 2021 8:31 am
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If that’s the case, Carl, In N Out still sucks as fast food. If it’s any consolation, Whataburger is worse because they have more items on the menu.

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June 14, 2021 10:26 am
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I cannot be a heavy fan of the Kings as long as Walton is the coach. The team has chosen to hitch its wagon to a poorly performing, low character coach. It’s incredibly disappointing.

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June 12, 2021 10:23 am

Totally agree and McNair is not to blame for 15 years os suckitude but neither are the ticket buying public ( among leagues highest ) ! This franchise has to show marked improvement or massive defections will occur ! Thousands have already ! Trotting out basically the same roster with a 19 year old draftee and Walton is not patience but failure !😡

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June 12, 2021 3:00 pm
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Will fans really defect? This team has been shitty for the last 15 years and basically were for their first 15. The Kings ranked middle of the pack in pct of arena filled in 2019, last normal season, on the heels of a 13 year playoff drought. I think people will want to get out following pandemic and attendance will probably be decent this year.

It’s a one team town…you put out even a halfway OK product and sales will be alright. Some may not like it, but this area has shown to support pretty much any Kings team as long as there isn’t a cloud of the team moving hanging over them. Only real time attendance figures were down.

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June 13, 2021 10:23 am
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Yep. This nails it!

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June 14, 2021 10:28 am
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I have defected.

Check my comment history here and see that gap. I’m only here today because Greg shared this article on Twitter.

I still proudly sponsor The Kings Herald, I just no longer can tolerate supporting the Kangs until they change their identity and performance.

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June 12, 2021 10:33 am

Thankfully King’s fans don’t pay his salary.

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June 12, 2021 10:36 am

“In order to lead the orchestra, you must first turn your back to the crowd.”

Monty McNair should do what he thinks is best for the team, regardless of what desperate fans (like me) say or think.

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June 12, 2021 10:59 am

I’m an extremely impatient individual and none of it is going to replace Vivek and Matina, nor will it end the era of Superstar Collusion that we’re watching from the outside in.

They had their chance last year to flip everything of value for picks, including Fox, do it again next year, and tell the fans their box full of firsts is the way to rebuild.

But I’m sure we’ll have a few social justice campaigns and playground dedications this year to distract us from the reality that our owner is likely just waiting to flip his incredible city-provided real estate deal.

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June 12, 2021 11:35 am

One the one hand, this is a bit thin, evidence-wise, to reach this conclusion, IMO.

On the other hand, I understand it since it would not surprise me at all.

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June 12, 2021 12:38 pm

Agree that the article is pretty thin. If indeed no move is made this offseason, how long do we have to sit around and wait for this guy to actually do his job?

If we end up with two offseasons and a trade deadline of doing nothing meaningful to improve a .431 team that’s 12th in its conference, that’s negligence, not patience.

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June 12, 2021 1:01 pm
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Vivek knows where the blame will fall when his third GM flames out. The local media pulled their punches after Vlade’s hire and obvious gaffes. McNair could disembowel Slamson as the halftime show and possibly keep his job. Which is why he took both a bad GM job and a good one.

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June 12, 2021 1:04 pm
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After the last 15 years, you should assume that Slamson yells €œFREEDOM!€ as the halftime comes to a close in the hypothetical above

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June 12, 2021 6:17 pm
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The Sac media will never be real and blame Vivek. This should have happened 3/4 years ago. They just write tepid nothing. They preach patience. He should
be getting eviscerated every day as it is. Fuck Vivek.

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June 12, 2021 1:53 pm

Many of us are pretty long time fans…there is plenty of reason to be impatient. We just want a decent product.

That said, being patient and prudent feels like the most likely way to actually get what everyone wants…to improve the team and create a fairly consistent playoff run. Kings have three real assets I see at the moment. Fox, Hali and the pick, likely 9/10.

If moving Hali, are you getting a player that will be appreciably better for the next 2-3 years, considering we don’t know what his trajectory or ceiling is yet? And if they are, do they justify losing Hali on a rookie contract, which is where his value really lies for the next 3 years? How bloated is the contract you get back? He seems part of what you need for future success. Probably not moving him soon.

9th pick? What is that getting you? Even if you package it with Barnes, Buddy, Bagley (take your pick) and even a future pick, doesn’t seem like enough to beat out teams with real assets for a star. (OKC etc)

That leaves you Fox…which unless just dumping him for picks (which some want and while I don’t agree, I understand the point of view) I don’t see getting a player back that is equal to his quality. If they are in the same range of caliber, probably just reshuffling deck chairs. Seems really unlikely he brings you back someone better than him.

There just doesn’t seem to be an obvious move given current cap situation (Barnes, Buddy contracts) and missed top pick (Bagley) to create the “Big move”, that is somehow going to guarantee a playoff berth. Assets aren’t there without just ending up back where you started by trading the few assets you have.

It’s been 15 years of mediocrity, so no we don’t want to hear about process. But Petrie took over in 1994. There were 4 years of mediocre (sub .500) basketball before he pulled his “big move” and traded for Webber. 4 years before he made a splashy free agency grab in Vlade. 4 years until he hired Adelman and the coach that would lead the team to success. He inherited a sub .500 coach and kept St. Jean for 2.5 more years.

All of this led to the only successful era of Kings basketball any of us have ever seen.

Does a turnaround have to take 4 years? Of course not. Taking time also doesn’t guarantee success. But I would rather Monte make moves that he think have value rather than feeling pushed into making moves for the sake of appearing active and defending his job security to fans and ownership by the time next summer rolls around.

Consistency seems to be the major item this team has lacked since the Adelman and Petrie days…I don’t like Walton. But I personally feel encouraged by what Monte has done (or not done) over the past 9 months. I can’t say right now whether Monte is good at his job or not …it’s early. But I’m in the camp of riding him out for a few more years and see what he does. Been 15 years of this shit…there isn’t probably a quick fix.

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June 12, 2021 2:54 pm
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I just believe there are more latitudes outside of “extreme patience” and “recklessness”. I think you have to be aggressive to get better, especially in the Western Conference. The rest of the league isn’t waiting around for us.

It doesn’t take nearly as long to turn a team around in the NBA as it used to, but it does take some intestinal fortitude.

If the Kings swing for the fences, what’s the worst that can happen…they’ll keep missing the playoffs?

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June 12, 2021 3:43 pm
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Fair…there definitely is an in between area, which I imagine is the path Monte prefers to drive down. I personally think they are a little closer with Fox and Hali as cornerstones to being consistently respectable, than others on here may feel. So I’m not real down to trade one of the few assets they have for a player on a 1-2 year remaining contract to try and make playoffs now.

Just doesn’t seem like there’s an obvious transaction (Based on current cap space and draft pick assets) to really move the needle, but I guess that’s why Monte gets paid. We shall see.

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June 12, 2021 4:04 pm
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True, he will have constraints from an asset/cap standpoint. I think the possibility of a bigger move could be in conjunction with our future first rounders, maybe combined with Barnes.

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June 13, 2021 8:36 am
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One less asset than last season (Bogi ) and likely another when Holmes leaves ! Good franchises use assets and bad lose them !

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June 13, 2021 5:10 am
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We just want a decent product.

Please define what a decent product is.
Because I fear that this FO believes that reaching the 7th of 8th spot and first-round exits can be viewed as a decent product.
And much to my dismay, a big chunk of this fanbase agrees.

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June 13, 2021 9:51 am
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I mean if you could give me a Portland situation of the last 8 years where they made the playoffs every year, even though getting bounced in the first round 5 times, I would sign up right now. They are a decent team, year in and year out. It’s been sustainable.

Comes with it’s own set of frustrations, but I would find entertainment and joy more frequently than the team I currently watch. In the end it’s entertainment and getting consistent playoff games without lifting the trophy at the end, isn’t necessarily a mark of shame.

Now if it’s all in on a one time 7th seed, then yeah I’m out.

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June 13, 2021 10:18 am
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In writing that it made me think…Portland currently is almost identical to the “Glory Days” Kings playoff wise. 8 Playoffs each…Kings made it past first round one more time. Each one conference final team.

Those Kings teams were better and more of a threat to win title, but the end playoff results are nearly identical. I don’t know any Blazer fans, but while frustrated at the moment, I would think in 5-10 years they will look back at the Dame era fondly, even though it never resulted in consistent playoff success.

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June 13, 2021 11:43 am
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Well, one could argue that this franchise does enough to entertain its fans.

It is interesting how on the one hand (many) Americans are obsessed with winning and being the best etc., but on the other hand see sports more as an entertainment industry than a competition where winning is paramount.

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June 13, 2021 3:12 pm
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They are entertaining in a twisted way. Can’t argue that!

I think attitudes about entertainment/winning probably largely go to your involvement in said activity. I think my attitude about entertainment vs winning would change if I was working out 6 hours a day like players or my livelihood depended on improvement and winning. It’s not, so I take it for what I use it for. A fun distraction for a couple hours here and there and luckily a fun community on here to talk about it.

Id love to see them win. Would be fun€¦doesn’t change my core daily life at all if they don’t. Others mileage probably varies.

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June 14, 2021 7:55 am
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Id love to see them win. Would be fun€¦doesn’t change my core daily life at all if they don’t. Others mileage probably varies.

Yep. The A’s are consistently successful but aren’t so come playoff time.

But I still enjoy watching them day in day out.

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June 12, 2021 2:10 pm

Haven’t posted in a long while because….well, I just don’t care enough about this team/organization at this point. I DO check TKH, because I do want to see if anything is going on. It’s still the same discussions of the last several years though.

Will they/won’t they? Should’ve done this/that. As Kings fans we’ve been through it how many times by now? I do think McNair did what he could to upgrade the bench, but is that the first step down a path that makes the team relevant again or just what he was able or allowed to do by forces above? I’m expecting the latter, because that is par for the course with this team. Not good enough to actually, you know, WIN as a sports team and also not good enough to improve the only other way this team probably would through by the draft. But as of several months ago, this team won’t get another penny or viewership ratings from me until they commit to a path that actually shows they are improving the product on the floor. What that looks like, I’m not sure and frankly at this point don’t care. I’ll do that in nba2k.

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June 12, 2021 2:24 pm

TKH,
Just a suggestion, since King’s news is scant these days, it’d be nice to have an open playoff thread every few days.

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June 12, 2021 3:50 pm
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What are €¦ playoffs? I thought the NBA season was over like a month ago?

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June 12, 2021 4:19 pm

At least we’re familiar with the play-in since that’s what Vivek aims for every year.

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June 14, 2021 10:29 am
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I’d log in to participate in playoff watching threads here!

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June 12, 2021 2:38 pm

My best guess is Vivek pushes Monte to make a win now move last offseason. Why? Because I’m sure Vivek sees these other teams that had quick turnarounds this offseason and are making a run these playoffs.
Look at Phx with CP3, look at the Knicks and their turn around. Atl is another example. I think Vivek’s fragile ego has turn around envy and will push Monte to trade for a star or a sign and trade for a star.
Heck, CP3 may even be a King next year.
Move Fox off the ball and make him more of a scorer instead of facilitator. And both Fox and Hali could learn from CP3, especially Hali, who reminds me a little of cP3. This has about a one percent chance of happening, and I am not advocating for it, but hey with Vivek, you never know.

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June 12, 2021 3:13 pm

I’ll believe it if I see it but I’m not optimist. It’s been a year and it’s the same coach and probably a worse team (if they are unable to sign Holmes).

the addition of g league level scrubs that played hard for next years contract don’t inspire me.

Convince me otherwise.

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June 12, 2021 3:37 pm

Shut your ass, Vlonty McDivac.

Some of us have been here since 1985 and have been patient enough.

Do something besides looking like the kind of guy who hands out towels at the front desk of the local gym.

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June 12, 2021 3:53 pm

Here’s where I’m stuck. I like about eight of our players. The ones I’m willing to get rid of don’t really have a market €¦ ergo, they’re not tradeable.

This is hands down the most €œhamster wheel€ organization in sports.

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June 12, 2021 4:20 pm

I think we have tradeable players and contracts, problem is, they’re not worth much. And I think our FO thinks they’re worth much more than other FO’s.

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June 12, 2021 4:33 pm
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I think outside of Fox and Haliburton, they’d need to include future firsts to really pull something off.

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June 12, 2021 5:28 pm
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The team leveraging future 1st(s) to chase the 8th seed, making it once, Fox pushing his way out and suffering the fall out for a long time would be so Kangz.

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June 12, 2021 6:47 pm

Does anyone have an opinion on what it would take to get D. Hunter from ATL? IMO, he is a difference maker but it would probably be too expensive.

I think it would start with Barnes, Bagley and a first (I begin negotiations by offering the 2024 top 3 protected). It would probably mean we would also need to take back Gallinari’s salary and add other picks, I wouldn’t exceed 2nd rounders but I’d give up around 4 of them if it got the deal done.

Personally, I’d rather wait for the draft to see if we could knab S. Barnes but Hunter is a proven defender (who could be elite) and has a decent 3pt shot (36% in 19, 33% in 20). We’d be swapping Barnes for Hunter (who better fits the Kings timeline) and Bagley for Gallinari (who could be the team’s older hand & mentor) and giving ATL a 1st rd pick in the process. The Kings would take on more long-term salary in the trade but we would at least turn Bagley into something positive and get younger in the starting lineup with Hunter’s potential as a bona fide 3&D wing.

ATL gets a 1st rd pick, sheds some long-term salary, and receives a player in Barnes that offers positional flexibility, is healthier than both Gallinari and Hunter, and who better fits their timeline (which is now).

A starting lineup of:
Fox/Hali/Hunter/Metu/Holmes

2nd unit:
Wright/Hield (or James if Hield is traded)/Davis/Gallinari/Jones

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June 12, 2021 8:18 pm
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I think it would take a ton. Before his injury this year he looked like a legitimate two way weapon. I think we’d have move to Haliburton or multiple first round picks to get a player of his caliber and at this point I still don’t know if Atlanta would do it.

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June 12, 2021 9:52 pm

Yeah, I thought so too (in regards top ATL not really being interested). I really like that kid and I think he’d make the team immediately better. The only reason it would ever happen is if ATL were in need of a salary dump to resign Collins (Barnes is declining whereas Gallinari’s salary increases each year and Bagley would come off after one year or resigned much cheaper).

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June 13, 2021 11:06 pm
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At this point I’m not sure they don’t value Hunter over Collins. But we’ll see this summer I suppose. If there were a way to get Hunter I’d be all over it.

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June 12, 2021 8:03 pm

Three factors out of the Kings control. First, it’s a small market team with limited marketing opportunities for players. Second, California is a very high income tax state. Third, big name players now have more control than ever before and a handful of them are recruiting/building super teams. Kings don’t have that superstar who can pull in other stars. For the Kings to improve its going to be thru the draft and player development. It may get better thru trades but only if we get lucky trading vets for youth that develop into stars. Having the right coach to develop the youth is key. I don’t think we have that now.

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June 12, 2021 9:53 pm

“Inaction is a failure.”

You honestly can’t come up with a single example where doing nothing isn’t better than doing something stupid?

That bullshit trade with Philly was “doing something.” Signing Luke Walton the day after he was fired was “doing something.” Am I the only one that would have preferred that VD wait more than a few hours after landing on Luke Walton to possibly reconsider?

Christ, firing Mike Malone was “doing something.”

Bearing the cap situation in mind, the moves McNair has made since last summer have been solid, if predictably unspectacular. How has this front office’s spontaneity worked out over the past several years?

This is the kind of genius thinking that is going to end up with all of us suffering through three years of Porzingis doing his rehab in Sacramento instead of Dallas.

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June 12, 2021 10:35 pm
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June 13, 2021 6:53 am
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Theoretically, “doing something” with a qualified GM is better than doing it with Vlade in charge.

Unless you assume similar moronic behavior from McNair?

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June 14, 2021 8:56 am
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The article isn’t about VD, it’s about McNair, and the bold statement that doing nothing is tantamount to failure.

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June 14, 2021 2:46 pm
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You mentioned VD’s moves twice in the comment I replied to…LOL

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June 13, 2021 7:39 am
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I read the article but saw nothing indicating that McNair should make a “spontaneous”move.

Unless you think that doing something significant in the first year is rash for a GM?

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June 14, 2021 9:02 am
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Reread it. The headline itself reads “inaction is failure.” And if you want to get hung up on the word “spontaneity,” I suppose it would be all right if we looked at VD’s moves as studied, well-researched, and deliberate.

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June 13, 2021 10:37 am
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You seem to always make this about doing nothing or doing something stupid. There is a third choice: McNair doing his job to improve the team. This cannot happen by doing nothing.

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June 14, 2021 9:14 am
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Well, when you put it that way, duh. The headline is clear: Inaction is failure. It

I didn’t say that doing nothing was a way to improve the team, only that action for its own sake to please fans is a dumb way to run a team. See previous GM if you need a refresher.

Obviously, moves need to be made to make the team better. I never said that it wasn’t. I also didn’t say that doing nothing was better than doing something, as though it was a binary choice. Everything that I said stemmed from the headline, “inaction is failure.” If it was somehow unclear that I meant anything other than doing nothing may be preferable to doing anything, then I’ll work a little harder next time.

Would you be all right with trading for Porzingis? Would that be better than not doing anything?

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June 14, 2021 11:24 am
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I don’t like Porzingis or his salary, but the team’s choices aren’t that or sit around for a year.

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June 14, 2021 12:14 pm
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Depends on the details of the Porzingis trade and the duration of the “doing nothing.”

In general, since we’re talking in dichotomies, I’d prefer they fail while “daring greatly” rather than succeed in maintaining mediocrity. I personally don’t see a 35-win as meaningfully different than a 20-win season.

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June 12, 2021 10:47 pm

Just gonna leave this here, when discussing inaction is failure. Fun walk down memory lane ; )

https://www.sactownroyalty.com/2015/7/1/8882233/analysis-the-philadelphia-trade-isnt-as-bad-as-it-may-seem

This isn’t to dig at the writer back on STR days, because I had a similar take. I rationalized it. I notice a few of us did. I know that personally, my ideas about team building have changed the last 5 years.

We can feel that inaction equals complacency, but I’d gladly take that over this type of action. Desperate people force desperate moves…which usually leads to poor outcomes.

Here’s to Monte not feeling desperate.

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June 13, 2021 6:54 am
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I’d hope McNair is smarter than Vlade, but we’ll need to see more first.

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June 13, 2021 7:40 am
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Very low bar there, but yeah.

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June 13, 2021 7:13 am
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Monte is ostensibly more qualified than Vlade Divac. And I might be mistaken, but that linked article and comments were made when everyone thought there were heavier protections on the first rounder? Not fully remembering the sequence of events though.

Ultimately, Vlade could have made that work if he’d used the acquired cap space in a smarter manner (you can use it to trade into, you big doofus). But no, he used it to sign marginal free agents who weren’t any better than the guys he shipped out.

My point is that maybe McNair makes a similar deal, but uses the cap space in a smarter manner, or includes additional pick protections (although that deal probably gets nixed on the Philly side).

Just because Vlade is a dipshit doesn’t mean being aggressive is the wrong play.

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June 13, 2021 8:29 am
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In reading the thread, it seems like we knew all the protections and swaps at time of article.

Obviously your 100% right about vlade being dipshit and doesn’t mean aggressiveness is a poor play. I don’t expect a similar level move from Monte.

But I don’t necessarily look at maintaining much of the status quo (big pieces) around here for the next year or so should necessarily lead to an indictment of failure on Monte’s part. Which feels is the general tone of some on here and IF it is the tone from ownership, it may lead him to taking a risk that is less than optimal in Monte’s mind.

I have more faith in Monte to try and execute a smart plan than Vlade. As such, there may not be big moves for awhile if nothing presents itself. Think we should prepare for that possibility.

Having said all this they probably swing a deal for Beal tomorrow including 4 unprotected picks 😉

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June 13, 2021 8:48 am
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Inaction and just adding a draft pick means the people who actually support the team ( season tix, sponsorships , etc ) will start to bail ! Easy to have patience when you have no money involved and just written words !

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June 13, 2021 9:05 am
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Gonna need to see your work on that€¦unless you have access to the financial books. TV deal locked in for years€¦Golden One naming rights deal locked in for years€¦attendance by pct of capacity has been nba average in most recent non pandemic seasons. There are smaller more on the margin deals that could go I guess, but the big things have and should be pretty stable (minus pandemic year).

Kings about same level record wise then as now. Is a deal for Myles Turner (insert mid level decent player here) turning more fans out? Even someone like Beal, Kings have already been at 95% capacity. Can’t sell that many more tix.

I don’t think this board is indicative of the average Kings ticket buyer. I expect attendance to be about the same this year regardless of a big move or not.

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June 13, 2021 9:46 am
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I do know minority owners had to cough up 100 million to keep things afloat and currently 2000+ season tix have not been renewed !

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June 13, 2021 10:03 am
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Yes, we know the pandemic put a big hurt on the org…still don’t see how the “big move” solves that hopefully one time event.

My guess also is that there is some uneasiness in we don’t know for sure exactly what things will look like to attend live games in the fall and may be affecting season tix sales.

You are right and there is assuredly some residual “tired of this shit” from Season tix holders, but wonder how widespread it is to effect the bottom line drastically. Not sure there are many roster moves that fix that mindset quickly minus somehow making a move that turns this team into a 55 win club.

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June 13, 2021 10:42 am
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But I don’t necessarily look at maintaining much of the status quo (big pieces) around here for the next year or so should necessarily lead to an indictment of failure on Monte’s part.

My question is, how long does McNair get to do nothing before it becomes a problem? Two years seems like an awfully long time to stand in front of a tire fire sweeping ashes around without trying to put it out.

Kings players are not going to dramatically change their value. So what’s the point of waiting?

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June 13, 2021 11:04 am
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Yeah I get the point of view. I’m not sure when the time is that you say shit or get off the pot to Monte. Feels early to me now…I think if we went through a similar season and nothing dramatic happens next summer, I will probably be moving closer towards that mode.

I think there are some big questions that this season can help answering and calculating what a big move might entail. What is Hali’s ceiling…does he continue rising or is he more finished product already? Are Kings better off Hali replacing Fox as lead handler and moving Fox for value at other positions of need? What the hell did Marvin Bagley do this year? (probably same thing as every year) Is Buddy more moveable with only two years left on his deal?

I’m sure each season you could ask questions like this and ask for patience. Honestly, personally I just like Monte and his style/approach thus far so I’m sure I’d be much more lenient in giving him time to execute a plan than others would.

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June 13, 2021 6:29 pm
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Appreciate the response!

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June 13, 2021 10:38 am
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I don’t know if I was in that thread, but I had a profoundly dumb take on that trade.

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June 13, 2021 10:57 am
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Read a couple other STR threads on topic. Ummm yeah, you did ; ) But I woulda said the same exact thing if not just being a lurker back then. Luckily my dumb takes weren’t online then. Now they are…

I look forward to looking back on my Porzingus trade rationalization in 5 years.

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June 13, 2021 2:01 pm
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Thought Vlade should have been fired for that trade. Unfortunately I don’t have that take in that thread. I think I had that take on a SBN main page thread at the time which will be tougher to find.

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June 13, 2021 6:30 pm
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Yep. You were dead set against that trade from the beginning. I absolutely remember that.

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June 14, 2021 6:37 am
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Yeah think you and I were in the same boat. We may have been on StR breaks at the time.

But I could have sworn the original news on the deal didn’t include the first rounder, just the pick swaps. Think I went from “meh” to angry at that point.

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June 14, 2021 6:42 am
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The way I remember it is I went from angry to angrier. Partly cuz I knew it meant they couldn’t move on from Cousins.

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June 14, 2021 9:04 am
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Yeah you guys are right remembering. Breaking news post people kinda OK with it mostly and as it got updated with the protections and swaps the mood turned some. Some still thought it wasn’t that terrible, myself included. I remember thinking people were overreacting.

Looking back, without having a guaranteed elite player in the bag ready to sign at free agency…what an incredibly stupid idea for a market that probably needs to depend on draft picks.

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June 14, 2021 11:12 am
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Looking back, without having a guaranteed elite player in the bag ready to sign at free agency€¦what an incredibly stupid idea for a market that probably needs to depend on draft picks.

What made it worse was the idea was to sign Wes Matthews….. off Achilles problems.

I’m struggling to keep my peace right now. It’s just so profoundly and obviously dumb.

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June 14, 2021 11:27 am
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In a broader sense, any Kings plan based on acquiring high level talent through FA is obviously dumb. To say nothing of deciding Wes, much less Wes coming off a blown achilles, was THE guy to pursue.

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June 14, 2021 12:41 pm

In a broader sense, any Kings plan based on acquiring high level talent through FA is obviously dumb.

I’m not sure I’d go this far. But I don’t think it’s a tool likely to get you a tippy top player either.

For a John Collins type? Yes. And he could even be worth a max deal in the right set up.

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June 14, 2021 1:04 pm
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The problem is, if his market is his max, then the Kings have no bargaining advantage over other teams. And if his market isn’t the max then once you have his market price, add in the RFA mark-up to get the Hawks to let him go, and add in the Kangz mark-up to make him consider the Kings over a less moribund, less famously dysfunctional team, then you’re intentionally vastly overpaying. And I’m not a fan of ever intentionally overpaying for a player.

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June 14, 2021 4:09 pm

Sometimes you have to overpay to play. And while I think you don’t do that for Richaun Holmes, you do that if you have a 23 year old who has upside not yet reached. These are not apple to apple comparisons.

Yes, there’s risk. Given where the Kings are at currently, I find that risk acceptable and necessary. For another franchise, in a different position, I wholeheartedly agree.

But for right now, risks must be taken for substantial improvement. And I don’t see prudence being in the Kings best interest. Now, I’m not throwing Holmes 15 million a year either way. The most I go up to would be 12 million or so.

Having said that, I don’t know the Kings can really improve this summer without getting a top 3 pick. But I don’t necessarily believe there’s a reason not to offer max money at Collins unless you think he won’t accept it. Or Miami has him at that number already at that number and the issue is moot.

Either way, what I know is simple: The Kings aren’t improving solely using prudence and solid judgment. At some point, they need to swing for the fences.

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June 14, 2021 7:04 pm
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Oh, I’m absolutely with you. I’ve said the same thing elsewhere. I guess I would just prefer to take that leap in a trade than in dropping a huge contract on Collins. Of course, this is probably based in my general bias against a building team investing in guys that are neither high level creators/playmakers nor high level defenders.

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June 15, 2021 10:37 am

Oh, I’m absolutely with you. I’ve said the same thing elsewhere. 

Based on the way I’ve read your comments recently (like further down the thread in this post by Greg), you do think a risk is necessary. You just don’t think that signing Collins to a max deal is the right kind of risk. Fair enough. Different strokes, folks, all that good jazz.

Of course, this is probably based in my general bias against a building team investing in guys that are neither high level creators/playmakers nor high level defenders.

First, I have no issue with this in theory. It’s how you go about in practical terms that matter.

Consequently I think this is where the risk comes in. You have to see something in a Collins that makes you think he can do a lot of things that you typically would have a big doing in anchoring a defense. If you don’t think it’s there, then Collins isn’t the right guy anyway. He just seems to me to be the closest thing available that fits the bill. But I haven’t watched him a ton over his 4 years, and I know there’s hardly anyone, if anyone, that believe that Luke Walton or his coaching staff could coax that out of Collins were he to come to Sac.

Risky? Yep. You’d have to believe Collins could do those things, and it’s possible that the Kings FO doesn’t. His body of work to date doesn’t suggest it. That’s the risk. But do you believe that talent is there, that you can help Collins reach it?

If Collins were 27, we aren’t having this conversation. But he’s 23 years old and on a team that was dead last in DRtg, eFG% defensively and DRB%. You need to find improvement somewhere along those lines. And, Collins can score. He’s not an offensive zero.

My idea would be to improve the Kings enough in DRB% to somewhere around average, 20ish in DRtg and eFG%, and be a top 5-7 team in ORtg. Start on one end of the court, improve however much you can on the other, and perhaps that’s enough to be a 45 maybe 50 win team.

Yes, there are other things that have to happen. Yes, Luke Walton has to be better than what anybody here thinks. Yes, there won’t be much optimism at the beginning, and yes there is plenty of reason to believe Collins isn’t that guy.

Risks are hard and unclear at the beginning for a reason. Maybe our criteria for improvement is different, but at the very least BHE we both agree substantial improvement needs to be made for this to be a playoff team.

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June 14, 2021 7:58 pm
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Don’t sell yourself short -.you are a tremendous slouch.

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June 13, 2021 8:48 am

I won’t change my habits until the organization changes theirs. So€¦.here’s to setting the all-time NBA playoff futility record, and let’s have a look at those 2022 draft prospects!*

(*10-14 range)

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June 13, 2021 10:45 am
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I have this sinking feeling that we’re going to be having the same conversations about the same players, the same draft slot, the same minor trade for a rotation player and the same idiot coach at the end of next offseason.

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June 13, 2021 11:30 am
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Gotta be optimistic carl. Let’s all hope for that 0-10 to 20 start so we can see real changes. 😉

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June 13, 2021 9:23 am

Whenever I read most of the posts here it always reminds me of the “Coon & Friends” episodes on South Park where Captain Hindsight appears with his 3 companions Shoulda, Woulda, and Coulda.

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June 13, 2021 12:30 pm

I think I agree that inaction this time is failure. So is a crappy trade. So, let’s make a good trade, or try to sign at least a B + level free agent. But if absolutely nothing happens but resigning some of our free agents? Yeah, I’m not gonna be happy. This is why Monte makes the big bucks. Turn this shit sandwich into sweet potato pie Monte!

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June 13, 2021 1:43 pm

I’m going to start this by saying I think there have been multiple narratives coming out of the Kings org for awhile now, with the Athletic and Jones on one side and the Bee/Anderson on another. Why? You have two different viewpoints on how the Kings should proceed. Or more accurately, you have one viewpoint on how to succeed and one viewpoint on how the Kings need to proceed given how the real world works.

Now, I don’t see how the Kings can make the playoffs with the roster as constructed. I think Buddy Hield and Marvin Bagley need new situations and the chemistry the Kings need with a core group of players isn’t there now IMO.

A month ago I wasn’t convinced the Kings couldn’t trade Hield or Bagley for something tangible given how much cap space exists around the league. A month ago, though, I didn’t know Pascal Siakam would be out until December (or longer potentially) with a shoulder issue. I didn’t know how the Clippers or Suns fates would effect whether Kawhi Leonard or Chris Paul hit the market.

But as always, the devil is in the details. The Knicks will lose significant cap space for fully guaranteed Julius Randle’s contract for the upcoming season (and they would be plum dumb retarded for not doing so). But even then, that 51 million is real…..and who knows what the Knicks are looking at. Certainly Leonard and Paul for starters. They’d be crazy not to.

But, I was somewhat under the assumption that Leonard and Paul wouldn’t distort the entire field. And they may not. Paul might resign in Phoenix which is one less player to compete for for everyone else. Ditto with Leonard and the Clip Joint.

The Kings are over the cap based on the way you calculate a cap number (contracts, cap holds, rookie deals, exceptions like the mid level, bi annual, and trade exceptions from previous trades). However, the 1st round pick will take anywhere from 10.05 million with the 1st pick (the 1:1 pick) or the 10th pick (1:10) at around 4.373 million. Both of those numbers are at 120% of scale.

Something to keep in mind for a moment. Just for Fox, Hield, Barnes, Bagley, Wright and Haliburton the Kings are 95,018,511 in actual salary. You factor in the top pick and just Richaun Holmes cap hold (6.506 million) and you’re right at the cap and that’s just 8 players.

But somewhere in this long winded bunch of nonsense, there is a point. Possibly.

The point is simple: Whatever decisions the Kings make, it’s going to come at a cost. You can dump players for cap space (which I would do) to sign players worth in it in FA (John Collins is at the top of my list). But, that requires you to have the ability to do so, and that requires you having ownership allowing you to have money to spend. Which, McNair might not have. Keeping Luke Walton isn’t a big deal, but if you can’t change out a roster that really doesn’t work because ownership can’t afford upgrades is entirely another. And to me, that’s where this Jones article comes in. Essentially, we’re seeing Maloofs redux at this point is what I’m fearing. You are stuck with the roster you have unless you can dump them for savings. Which is easier said than done when you have a 90% cap minimum.

You can’t spend what you don’t got, and the issue isnt just dumping a Hield or Bagley to get cap space. It’s also can you spend over the cap once you got the cap space to sign a max player like a Collins in the aforementioned scenario. And my spidey sense is that McNair and the FO doesn’t have that ability.

Which is how you get articles like Jones essentially saying the Kings are hoping for internal improvement. Probably not because it’s the best way to improve the roster, but it’s the only thing they can afford.

If that’s the case, we’re screwed for a long, long time. Put another way, I hope the points Jason Jones made is not accurate because it mostly means that internal improvement and getting very lucky two years in a row in the draft is the only way this team can improve. And if you can’t turn over this roster enough and spend the right kind of money to do so, I see no real way this team has any shot at improvement unless they get incredibly lucky. As we’ve seen in the past, that almost never happens.

I’m far less optimistic now than I was a month ago. Guess I’ll have to go back to wondering when the Kings are going to get a real ownership group because it seems pretty clear their lack of resources isn’t changing anytime soon. And if that’s the case, it doesn’t matter much whether McNair is any good at evaluating and maximizing value of assets. Because if the ownership can’t back any FO worth it’s salt with appropriate resources, you aren’t competing.

I’m not sure what to root for at this point other than to say I hope I’m wrong and fear I’m not.

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June 13, 2021 10:17 pm
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The thing is, if this is true – and I suspect that you are right – it makes the choice to not go all in on the tank last season so stupid.

We could have traded away most of our assets for expiring contracts, picks and young players, and used the tank as a good excuse for clearing cap space and set the team up for a better future.

Some people would hate it, but also many would understand what the plan is. Now, it seems that there is no real plan.

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June 14, 2021 6:40 am
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Great post.

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June 14, 2021 10:11 am
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June 14, 2021 11:49 am
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This is where I’m at as well. I’m not expecting anything huge as long as Vivek is the owner. Yes they nailed it with Heli last year, but that doesn’t happen every year.

IMO, the best news I could hear as a Kings fan is that he’s selling the team. I think we all know, unless he’s hurting in the pocketbook, it’s not happening for a LONG time.

Ugh.

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June 13, 2021 3:29 pm

Wash, rinse, repeat….. same ole story, year after year. This summer we’ll probably end up losing Holmes (like Bogdan) and end up trading Barnes and Hield for some mid-level talent, cash and second round picks. In other words, the Kings will make no improvements. Of course to try and soothe the unhappy fans, Kings management will spin it as if they’re clearing cap space so that they can be major players in the upcoming free agency signings. But of course as we all know it doesn’t matter how much money the Kings have because no star level or superstar free agents will even consider playing here. The Kings will just end up overpaying some other mid-level talent, thus starting the wash, rinse, repeat cycle again….

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June 13, 2021 4:06 pm

It is, of course, important that McNair not make moves for the sake of making moves. 

I don’t think the Kings will have the same roster next year but a “blockbuster” trade might not be in the offing.

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June 13, 2021 4:09 pm

Remember the 2011 trade of a top 10 protected first round pick for J.J. Hickson? That simple, stupid trade crippled the Kings for years and still, arguably, has negative effects today.

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June 14, 2021 2:50 pm
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Well, sure. “Don’t make stupid trades” seems good policy.

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June 13, 2021 5:27 pm

Draft better.

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June 13, 2021 6:50 pm

Trade Fox (His ceiling is Monta Ellis, too expensive)
Trade Buddy (Too old and can’t dribble, playmake, nor play defense, too expensive)
Trade Bagley (Low bball iq, no defense, inefficient, low ceiling, too expensive)

Pay Richaun Holmes (Elite true shooting efficiency, plays defense)
Build around Haliburton (Superstar potential, young, high bball iq, improving defense, already efficient shooting etc)

trade for draft picks, sign good or over the hill vets. Sign young developmental players with high ceilings.

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June 13, 2021 8:55 pm

I have to agree with the last post. Getting lucky in the lottery. I don’t see where the Kings make any Real changes. I would love to proven wrong. But. I’ve seen this movie before. Monte is realizing he’s more figurehead than anything else. The Kings infamous media types will tease all those Free Agents the Kings have their eyes on. Sabonis, Siakam, etc.At the end of the day Holmes will jet. Kings big offseason signing will be Enes Kanter.

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June 13, 2021 10:08 pm

Watching Lakers fans kitted out in the Sportsbook leave early while I cash in on my bet and Phoenix continue to dominate gives me hope.

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June 14, 2021 8:52 am

I think we may need to put to bed a couple refrains that keep popping up:

  1. “McNair shouldn’t make moves to just make moves.” The fact is that GMs never make moves just to make moves. They make moves because they believe in the moment the move will help them achieve their goals.
  2. “No move is better than a bad move.” Of course it is. But no GM ever intentionally makes a bad move. Every move made by a FO is, at the time to them, thought to be a good move. Nobody is saying “yeah, it’s a bad move but we gotta do something!”

Ultimately, this team just put up a .430 season despite career years from 3 starters and an unusually productive rookie. And the numbers say we were worse than .430. At some point, in the relatively near future, this team is going to have to make some significant moves. That naturally means moves that are greater risks.

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June 14, 2021 2:51 pm

Yep, playing it safe in the Western Conference isn’t getting this team where it wants to be.

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June 14, 2021 10:20 am

I get the frustration, but to me you hired Monte to do a job, let him do it. The Kings conducted a league wide search Time will tell if he is up to the job

From having listened to a number of folks, this roster when he took over was substandard and he has made moves to improve it where the players on this team are legitimate NBA players. It would be interesting to see what this team would do with competent depth and coaching. I’m saying it makes them a playoff team but you can at least see where your roster is league wise before you make bigger moves

Monte has an idea of what his roster is worth and if he is going to make a deal its a deal he wants to make and not rushed into making

I have a feeling that if Holmes gets a big dollar offer he won’t match it, maybe this time say if Charlotte says makes an offer maybe they will work out a sign and trade to get a piece back.

I suspect Heild and Bagley are both gone and it will be interesting to see what can be gotten for them

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June 14, 2021 10:45 am
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Holmes is an unrestricted free agent. So the Kings don’t have the power to match and automatically keep him. Nor is a S&T a possibility. Holmes either signs with the Kings and stays or he walks and the Kings get nothing.

As for improving the roster, well, we’ll see what happens this off-season. At the moment, based on players under team control at the time Monte took over vs. players under team control right now, based purely on talent I’m not sure the roster is noticeably better.

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June 14, 2021 12:25 pm

A lot of doom and gloom on here today…and I completely understand with a 15 year playoff draught while teams have gone through 2 rebuilding cycles and are in the playoffs AGAIN.

However; I will push back a little. McNair has done fairly well in his position so far. The only true “miss” has been Bogi, and even that was supposed to bring back Divencenso. He hit on Haliburton, did decent at the trade deadline, and signed some young prospects that have looked alright in Metu/Jones.

I truly feel McNair is competent, understands our plight, and is doing an OK job. LIKE EVERYONE HAS SAID – I do not trust Vivek and Dumars. We don’t know who made the Luke decision but that is also a potential miss.

In the end, I am willing to see what McNair is able to do this summer and then I think we can assess his successes/failures. If he is able to move Buddy/Bagley, hit on another draft pick, bring in some competent veterans, and maybe trade future draft capital for a mid-level “star”…this might all work out.

Or it could go up in flames…and then we’re back to square 1 AGAIN.

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