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Kings 118, Nets 127: Tyrese Haliburton has a career night, Kings get better draft position

Tyrese Haliburton ties his career-high with 23 points, Sacramento falls to 12-19 on the season.
By | 158 Comments | Feb 23, 2021

The last time the Kings had their standard regular season starting lineup of De’Aaron Fox, Buddy Hield, Harrison Barnes, Marvin Bagley, and Richaun Holmes healthy at the same time, Sacramento held a decent 12-12 record heading into a home game vs. the Philadelphia 76ers. The Kings have lost 7-straight games since.

But here we are: February 23rd, 2021, and the Kings are finally healthy once again. Would it make a difference against a very good (and without Kevin Durant) Brooklyn Nets team? Probably not, but you never know? That’s why they play the games.

The Kings started this one with some of the most pathetic defense they’ve played all season, and that’s saying something. Kyrie Irving and James Harden were doing whatever they wanted out there, but you expect that to some degree. What shouldn’t happen is Bruce Brown beating the Kings defense down the court repeatedly for easy buckets inside. Bad, bad, bad.

This game looked over already after 8 or so minutes until Tyrese Haliburton saved the Kings to the extent that you can save a team that lost the first quarter 42-28. In 18 first-half minutes Hali dropped 18 points on 7/11 shooting from the field and 4/5 shooting from three, with 4 rebounds and 6 assists. He was also the only ‘+’ player for the Kings in the first half at +4.

Harrison Barnes picked up his scoring a bit, too, and Sacramento smartly fed Holmes the ball in the paint repeatedly, and you know he just doesn’t miss near the bucket.

This was Tyrese Haliburton’s night, though. It was his brilliance that turned this game from a first quarter blowout to a respectable 72-66 Nets lead at halftime.

If Monte McNair hadn’t landed Haliburton with the 12th overall pick in the 2020 NBA Draft, this would have been a considerably more depressing season. At least we have a future Fox-Haliburton backcourt to look forward to throughout all the losing. Outside of that, there isn’t a lot of good happening here. But back to the game.

The Kings did the unthinkable in the third quarter, and actually took the lead briefly after a Haliburton mid-range pull-up jumper. We’re so accustomed to the Kings losing games in the third that closing the lead gap vs. the Nets here is certainly a win. With neither team playing any defense whatsoever at this stage of the game, Sacramento gave themselves an opportunity to steal a tough game on the road with one quarter remaining. If you believe in acceptable losses, the Kings were heading in that direction here.

De’Aaron Fox was pretty quiet for most of this game until the 4th quarter when he knocked down a couple of big 3s, but ultimately it was too little, too late for the Kings’ best player. Fox ended the game with 27 points, but it was a bit deceiving. He wasn’t much of a factor through three quarters, and you aren’t going to beat this Nets team when your best player doesn’t have his best game, and your highest paid player (Buddy Hield) only contributes 11 points in 36 minutes.

The Nets cruised pretty comfortably to a 127-118 win. The Kings kept it competitive in the 4th quarter but never really made Brooklyn nervous. The better team took control, and the better team won.

I’m going to call this a good loss, though. Outside of a terrible start, the Kings competed hard. Haliburton looked fantastic. Fox and Buddy didn’t have their best nights. It is what it is. The Kings aren’t making the playoffs this season anyway, so please excuse my indifference in the outcome. A great Tyrese Haliburton performance is enough to keep me watching for now.

Most importantly, the Kings are in sole possession of the 5th pick (pre-lottery) of the 2021 NBA Draft after tonights loss, and are quickly gaining on Houston and Cleveland.

Meanwhile, in Dallas…

 

 

 

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SelecaoKOJ
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February 23, 2021 7:28 pm

I was enjoying Bagley’s progress and then you are there to remind me.

What could have been: Fox, Hali, and Doncic. That’s championship level.

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February 23, 2021 7:30 pm
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Ok, that hurts..

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February 23, 2021 7:33 pm
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Realistically, if Doncic was on this team we wouldn’t have been in a position to draft Hali.
Also, Vlade would still be GM anyways.

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February 23, 2021 7:40 pm
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Not if the Kings fired Vlade before the 2018 draft.

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February 23, 2021 7:59 pm
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Doubtful the Kings could have ever had those 3. It’s either Fox and Hali or Fox and Luka.

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February 23, 2021 9:37 pm
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Thanks Vlade

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February 23, 2021 10:43 pm
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You forgot Michael Malone as their head coach.

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February 23, 2021 7:28 pm

If it wasn’t for Haliburton, I wouldn’t be watching.

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February 23, 2021 10:42 pm
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Agreed, I’m just checking box scores now to see how he did … the games are becoming pointless as usual.

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February 24, 2021 6:25 am

This season, for a lot of teams is just a requirement. Get fans back and lets have some fun next year post pandemic.

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February 23, 2021 7:29 pm

The new coach is going to switch Hali to point Fox to Combo. I see it now.

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February 23, 2021 8:01 pm
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I agree. I see Fox sliding to the off guard like N.O. moved Holiday there. Fox could be lethal off ball with his quickness, ability to cut, and new found 3pt shot.

Truth be told, they can run a combo lead guard set like Portland does, only Hali and Fox look to be better defenders.

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February 23, 2021 8:26 pm
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Once Kyrie told Harden, you be the point guard and I’ll be the sg, the Nets tool off like a rocket.

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February 23, 2021 8:37 pm
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Amazing that is what Jerry said in an early podcast ! Have Hali on the ball more and Fox more a 2 and move Buddy to 6th man !

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February 23, 2021 10:00 pm
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Or just move Buddy.

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February 24, 2021 9:03 am
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Buddy’s value must be terrible now. Seems like Barnes and Holmes are our best trade options.

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February 23, 2021 10:29 pm
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So my other team by birth is the Pistons … Thomas and Dumars did this for many years. Dumars would bring the ball up all the time. It works, you just have to have unselfish guys to do it.

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February 24, 2021 4:12 am
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Agree, I think this is where things will sit eventually.

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February 23, 2021 7:30 pm

Tank on.
Fox, Hali Holmes and Bagley playing well coupled with a loss. Sounds like a win to me.

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February 23, 2021 7:31 pm

Good minutes from DaQuan also. He has the right attitude.

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February 23, 2021 7:32 pm

This will sound outrageous but Hali was giving me shades of a slimmer and taller CP3.
Long term Hali is the primary ball handler and Fox is more of a combo when they are playing together.

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February 23, 2021 7:36 pm
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That’s the way I see it too!

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February 23, 2021 8:22 pm
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For a rookie to be in command of each possession like that is so impressive, hard not to get shades of Paul.

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February 23, 2021 7:36 pm

It’s crazy how often they make the one mistake they can’t make. I know the Nets are a bit of an offensive juggernaut, but there were multiple defensive laps that were basically “yeah you don’t want to leave the most accurate three point shooter in the league wide open like that.”

Also…Who says No?
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February 23, 2021 7:40 pm
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It’s crazy how often they make the one mistake they can’t make.

This is the norm for the Kings every year, unfortunately.

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February 23, 2021 8:09 pm
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If the Nets are going all in on a title run, then no one should say no. That being said, I think the Nets would really miss Brown. That kid looks like a solid defensive wing. He’s their DaQuan Jeffries.

If this were to happen, the Kings need to move Buddy as well. I don’t see how the team could go forward with Fox, Hali, Buddy and Dinwiddie locked up long term.

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February 23, 2021 8:24 pm
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Dinwiddie just has one year left on his deal. It’s a player option too, so he can technically be a UFA this offseason if he wanted to be.

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February 23, 2021 8:13 pm
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If we can keep Holmes, I’d prefer that.

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February 23, 2021 8:32 pm
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So I’m honestly unsure why folks say we need to “keep” Holmes. They guy is a UFA this summer. The Kings have no advantage in keeping him over any other team. They can’t offer him more money, give him a longer deal, or promise him a title contention more than any other team.

Why not trade him to a contender to give him a shot, get assets for such deal, then try and re-sign him this summer?

It goes like this:

McNair: “Richaun, I’ve traded you to “said contender” for “future assets.” I feel this is best for the Kings AND you going forward. I wish you the best on you title run because we love you and want you back. Go get it! The city of Sacramento loves you and wants you back. We are going to be the first to call you in free agency if you are willing to listen. I feel you know this is a business and this is nothing personal. We want you as a Sacramento King as we build a team to contend for a title and this is the best way to do that.”

Richaun: “Sounds good, Monte. Thank you for the opportunity to earn my keep in the league and give me a shot to be a champion. I hope this also increases my value in the league. I will talk to you soon.”

Disclaimer: If Monte decides to do this, I feel I need some kind of compensation. I can be paid in beer.

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February 23, 2021 11:13 pm
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this is good too

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February 24, 2021 2:07 am
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I think they do have an advantage. An extra year?

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February 24, 2021 7:21 am
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I don’t believe so. There are no Bird Rights with his deal.

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February 24, 2021 9:08 am
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Why give him an extra year (even if we could)? The going rate for players of his caliber is 2 yr $18M max if you use Harrell as a comp. Although I think Harrell has a bit more value.

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February 24, 2021 9:06 am
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I agree. The “Keep Holmes” camp is the antithesis of the “Trade Barnes” camp. Similar in age and Barnes is the more versatile and better player. And Barnes is under contract for a few more years putting him in the “playoff window” hopefully. Holmes is not under the King’s control this summer and will likely be gone for nothing. IMO it makes a lot more sense for both the Kings and Holmes to make a deal that returns assets and gives Holmes the opportunity to compete in the playoffs. Then hope you can maintain goodwill and get him back. I love Holmes as a player, but he’s a bit limited because of his size. He might get a similar deal to Harrell (2yr $18M). He’s not getting a 5 year deal.

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February 23, 2021 11:12 pm
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This is good

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February 23, 2021 8:25 pm
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Awesome trade. I’d take Dinwiddie for Richaun and Jelly, Nets can throw in whatever crap filler they want.

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February 23, 2021 8:39 pm
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The Nets!

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February 23, 2021 10:30 pm
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I love me some Dinwiddie, but not at the expense of Holmes. Put Bagley in there – deal!

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February 23, 2021 7:45 pm

if Monte has a taker for Barnes, not sure why you’d keep his salary and not play Jeffries and Woodard at this point

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February 23, 2021 7:45 pm

Why is no one questing Walton’s decision to sit Holmes the last 5 minutes? Attitude was gone. Total head scratcher.

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February 23, 2021 7:47 pm
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He tweaked his ankle and why risk the tank

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February 23, 2021 7:54 pm
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Okay. I feel relieved, in a way. But, knowing that, I would have considered putting DaQuan on the floor.

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February 23, 2021 8:06 pm
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How about those valuable 4th quarter crunch time minutes for Marvsey

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February 23, 2021 8:11 pm
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Not good, especially when two bad defenders are on the court together (Bagley and Hield) and the glue guy defenders (Holmes and Jeffries) are on the bench. Really questionable coaching move.

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February 23, 2021 10:32 pm
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RQCM is Luke’s nickname.

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February 24, 2021 8:07 am
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Marvin should be playing 4th quarter crunch time minutes every night (if there’s a crunch time).

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February 23, 2021 7:57 pm
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This Jalen Green looks like a player

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February 23, 2021 10:42 pm
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The more I see him, the bigger my eyes get.

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February 23, 2021 8:26 pm
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Somebody on the thread is cery anti tank, down voting any pro tanking comment lol

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February 23, 2021 9:28 pm
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I wonder if Leo is a lurker lol.

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February 23, 2021 10:42 pm
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It’s probably Jalen Green lol

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February 24, 2021 7:20 am
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That was me. I think tanking is against the integrity of the game.

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February 24, 2021 8:27 am
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I generally agree. The problem is that if they want to protect that aspect of the integrity of the game, they have to stop incentivizing tanking. The way it is right now, if a team is out of the playoff picture, it’s borderline irresponsible of them not to do everything they can to increase their ability to win meaningful games in the future. Thus, PROMOTION/RELEGATION. Sorry, Wolves, you’re heading to the G-League!

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February 24, 2021 8:36 am

Man, would I LOVE that idea.

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February 24, 2021 9:52 am
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Obviously, it isn’t happening. The more realistic answer is just to flop the lottery odds. Incentive non-playoff teams to win as many games as possible instead of the opposite.

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February 23, 2021 7:50 pm

I’m looking forward to the next game, only to watch the progression of this incredible rookie.

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February 23, 2021 8:26 pm
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I know Woodard is a beast.

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February 23, 2021 8:50 pm
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Ramsey

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Vanja

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February 24, 2021 8:10 am
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Newman

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February 23, 2021 8:10 pm

How’d Fox play?

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February 23, 2021 8:19 pm
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He turned it on late

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February 23, 2021 8:11 pm

can we pool our money and pay a lip reader to transcribe what Harden/Kyrie said to Haliburton after the game?

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February 23, 2021 8:18 pm
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“How’s basketball Hell?”

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February 23, 2021 8:20 pm
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Definitely nothing about teaming up

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February 23, 2021 9:21 pm
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“Tyrese, let’s make THE BIG FOUR here in Brooklyn”

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February 23, 2021 8:30 pm
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“Hey kid, where the strip clubs at in Sac?”

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February 23, 2021 10:40 pm
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LOL

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February 23, 2021 10:51 pm
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Harden has played in Sac enough times. He was probably the one giving the recommendations.

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February 23, 2021 8:37 pm
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Here’s how to force your way out of sac….

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February 23, 2021 8:46 pm
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Probably said.. Damn.. I haven’t see a Kings player go off like that since I was in middle school.

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February 23, 2021 8:57 pm
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Where’s the €œthis is bad€ guy

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February 23, 2021 11:18 pm
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This is bad

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February 23, 2021 9:09 pm
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Talent recognizes talent. They told Hali “Keep working, you got the goods”.

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February 23, 2021 9:29 pm
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“You are going to be really good. It will be nice to see you at all star games consistently in a couple years.” Or something like that.

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February 23, 2021 9:42 pm

It seemed like Kyrie was discussing something that happened in the game.

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February 23, 2021 11:46 pm
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Yeah but my thing was more fun 😃

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February 23, 2021 8:16 pm

It’s so fun to get excited about Bagley doing basic things on the basketball court while Luka hits game winners.

Really can’t thank you enough Vlade you incompetent moron.

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February 23, 2021 8:27 pm
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Thank Vivek more. Moron kept the moron in his position for far too long.

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February 23, 2021 8:59 pm
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It’s really hard to believe how far off Vlade was on so many transactions. But the Luka one takes the cake…unbelievable.

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February 23, 2021 9:14 pm
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He was terrible no doubt… but he did trade Boogie and not give him that 200 mill extension. Which if he had and was debated at the time the team would be right in the middle of. Boogie at 40 mill a year on this team…like there is no describing how depressing and hopeless this team would be. Plus Holmes signing. As such, Vlade gets a D- from me!

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February 24, 2021 5:01 am
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I mean Boogie was great before his injury and there’s no guarantee he would’ve been injured if he was on a different team, just too many different variables at that point.

Look at it this way, if we had boogie we likely wouldn’t have had the #2 pick in 2018 so that wouldn’t have to haunt us forever

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February 24, 2021 7:06 am
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I disagree boogie was €œgreat€ pre injury. Some great stats but not sure he leads you to any wins. And entirely still could have had number two pick. We jumped up in that draft…not like boogie was doing anything but leading us to mid lottery anyway, which is where they were when they jumped. Yes variables, but looking at how many injuries he’s had seems unlikely he comes out unscathed injury wise.

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February 24, 2021 8:09 am
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It was kind of crazy to many of us that the Kings didn’t sell high on Cousins long before the potential extension was bearing down on them. They had a chance to sell high, and whiffed.

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February 24, 2021 8:47 am
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Of course, he traded Cousins 1.5 years too late, thus creating the Supermax dilemma.

Side note: Remember some of the semi-underwhelming rumors of offers for Cousins.

2015 #2, Randle, Clarkson, and €œother draft assets.€

Vucevic and draft assets

Beal, Porter, Gortat

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February 24, 2021 12:08 am
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Second worst missed pick ever? Behind Bowie Jordan.

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February 24, 2021 7:26 am
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Not there yet, but there is time. 2003 with Darko over Carmelo, Bosh and Wade still holds 2nd place in my book.

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February 24, 2021 8:56 am
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Yeah. Time will tell. It’s trending that direction though.

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February 23, 2021 9:30 pm
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Survey says! Why not both GIF incoming from somebody who knows how to post a GIF!

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February 23, 2021 10:34 pm
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The problem is, all things Kangz are always graded on a curve … so for many of us, Marvin occasionally showing that he might be a nice player someday equates to Luka being an All-NBA player at exactly the same age.

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February 24, 2021 12:07 am
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Almost as fun as hearing Doug and Co praise Bagely and proselytize about his progress when he does something like-make a good move and almost score…..move his feet…..almost set a screen or try….

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February 23, 2021 8:48 pm

€œhey kiddo, if Vlade was still the GM, you’ll be pick #13€

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February 23, 2021 9:05 pm

My new nickname for Haliburton: Sub Zero.

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February 23, 2021 9:07 pm
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Haliburton is such a joy to watch. So happy to see him in a Kings uni.

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February 23, 2021 9:14 pm

Blockbuster Fantasy Trade: Fox and Barnes to Boston for Jaylen Brown and Marcus Smart. Who says no?

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February 23, 2021 9:21 pm
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Boston because they are still stuck with Kemba’s contract and Kemba and Fox can’t play together at least in closing time. Now if they were able to unload Kemba’s contract who knows. Would all depend on how much Boston would want to shake up the dynamic of their team. Brown is on a considerable cheaper extension than Fox too.

If I’m the Kings I call it in as fast as I can and let Hali take over point.

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February 23, 2021 9:32 pm
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Kemba’s salary is a problem, but Celts are in a nosedive and the window is quickly closing. Fox completely shakes up the situation and Ainge needs to make a splash. It won’t happen, but it’s a fun thought.

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February 23, 2021 9:35 pm
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Okay, lets have even more fun: We take Kemba back and hope he returns to form. We add in Hield and Cojo to shed more salary. Unbelievably, the trade works.

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February 23, 2021 10:35 pm
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If it’s Bagley and Barnes – deal!

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February 24, 2021 12:56 am
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I already said fox for brown earlier in the season

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February 24, 2021 8:14 am
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Here’s a Spongebob sticker for you.

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February 24, 2021 5:50 am
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I say yes. Hali and Brown backcourt would be a terror.

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February 24, 2021 8:13 am
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I’ll have what she’s having.

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February 23, 2021 9:45 pm

Can you imagine an alternative universe, where Spurs take Hali with 11th pick? With Pop as his coach and that style of play, I bet he’d be getting compared to Luka. Sure gives you hope for the future knowing that he’s playing like a star for a shit coach, shit system and shit roster.

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February 23, 2021 10:39 pm
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Once Tyrese started dropping on draft night (every mock I saw had him going 7 or higher), I was positive the Spurs would take him at 11 – savvy organization, high BBIQ player, perfect match … and I was legitimately shocked that they didn’t pick him.

But instantly my shock turned to grief when I realized we were too fuckin stupid to take him, and then elation moments later when we actually did.

What a roller coaster, I’m crapping you negative.

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February 24, 2021 8:24 am

Haha I like to go back and look at draft grades and specifically 2012 and 2013 draft. From what I read, we had our guy picked out. Lillard in 12 and McCollum in 13 but both years there was €œtop tier€ guy falling and of course we picked those players instead of going with our guy. While I love to throw out my GM opinion, I do not envy the people that hold those positions. I can’t imagine a more mentally stressful job.

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February 23, 2021 10:13 pm

Love me some Tyrese but NBA.com rookie rankings did rightly call him out for not getting to the foul line. It’s the one thing I’m not liking so far but he has plenty of time to bulk up, learn to take contact, and hopefully get more calls (seems to be getting rookie treatment at this point). We need this pick, I’m all in for tanking, final answer.

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February 24, 2021 1:00 am
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I think he will, he’s starting to get more comfortable on offense

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February 23, 2021 10:35 pm

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February 23, 2021 10:42 pm
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DaQuantum Physics!

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February 23, 2021 10:54 pm
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CoJo’s “defense” is an added bonus.

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February 23, 2021 10:49 pm

This is a pretty crazy on/off:
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Haliburton’s eFG% when he’s the floor with Fox and Holmes is 72.1, and his AST/TO ratio is 5.0. That’s pretty good.

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February 23, 2021 11:32 pm
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It’s amazing what a competent pick and roll big can do for a team.

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February 24, 2021 9:00 am

It’s a trip though to see that big of a swing. ~480 total minutes is a pretty decent sample size.

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February 23, 2021 10:56 pm

With every Boston loss you know Ainge is starting to feel the pressure.

It just makes me that much more hopefully he finally loosens the butt hole and let’s someone else win a trade… In slips McNair

…. Not that there’s anything wrong with that

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February 23, 2021 11:13 pm

Who cares what Luka did? I wonder if Suns fan forlorn this hard for him. It’s going to be a long time before the Mavs make the playoffs again and they gave up the assets to rebuild getting Porzingus, who is always injured, and is about as inconsistent as it gets. Who says Divac wouldn’t have done a similarly dumb all in kind of play? As a whole I like the Kings roster and position moving forward over the Mavs.

In regards to the game I liked that they kept it competitive and fought hard. Seems like we got gassed at the end. In the end I’m happy with the result: getting our youth good minutes and improving our lottery odds.

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February 23, 2021 11:27 pm
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Suns fans are absolutely forlorn over passing Luka but not as much as we are because their team is a lot better. And the Mavs made the playoffs last season. And they’re probably going to make it again this season as well. They’re a game out right now and they’re finally healthy/not missing half their team due to Covid. Liking the Kings roster more than theirs is silly. I’d trade the entire Kings roster for Luka right now and I just wrote a post talking about how much I love Tyrese Haliburton.

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February 24, 2021 12:22 am

Trading the whole Kings roster for Luka is about as silly as it gets…not even taking into consideration that they have crap draft assets moving forward too.

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February 24, 2021 5:11 am
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Actually it’s not. You clear the cap sheets completely which is great. And then you fill out the roster with G leaguers so the team is bad this year and we get a top 4 pick to pair with Luka! Re sign Holmes this summer with all that extra cap space and a few vets and we’re good to go!

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February 24, 2021 9:00 am
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No it actually is. Let’s take a guy that would be 10th on the team in FG%, 8th on the team in 3pt %, and 1st in shot attempts….and trade the whole roster for him. And he’s terrible on defense. It would be extra silly, you guys are just distracted by the flashy aggregate numbers.

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February 24, 2021 9:12 am
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I think if you would swap Fox with Luka last season, the Mavs miss the play-offs and the Kings make it.

The only reason that I have doubts is that I seriously think Walton would be capable of fucking it up.

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February 24, 2021 10:30 am
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I don’t disagree with that statement. But that’s a Fox for Luka exchange. I don’t particularly like Luka or his high usage offense and poor defensive game, but I’d still probably trade him for any 2 players on the Kings. Two. Not the whole roster, and certainly not for the Mavs overall situation where they’re without considerable draft assets.

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February 24, 2021 9:21 am
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That’s one of the shallower analyses I’ve seen. Nice work.

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February 24, 2021 9:54 am

But where am I wrong? He’s bad defensively. He’s a volume scorer and an extreme high usage player. I don’t have time to give you an in depth analysis on why trading the whole roster for one player is absurd. It’s self evident.

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February 24, 2021 10:15 am
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You’re wrong in cherry-picking shallow stats and not considering his actual overall production and impact.

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February 24, 2021 10:40 am

I’m not wrong. They’re stats, and it’s a look into his extreme high usage style that buoys overall production. You chose to cherry pick only positive stats. I choose to look at him from different angles and contexts.

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February 24, 2021 7:53 am
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It’s only silly because the Mavs would say no to any trade package we could offer. They’d say no to Fox, Haliburton and 7 unprotected picks and swaps. Luka isn’t getting traded period unless he wants to be.

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February 24, 2021 8:26 am

I like that Fox is shooting a better percentage than LD from three this season, and for his career.

I’m not remotely suggesting that VD made the right choice passing on him, but Doncic does have some significant holes in his game. Still, it’s not as being flashy as hell on offense and a sieve on defense keeps players out of the Hall of Fame.

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February 24, 2021 8:35 am
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Doncic is exactly one year older than Tyrese Haliburton. He has some holes in his game, but he’s already a superstar level player. He’s a significantly better player than De’Aaron Fox right now, and Fox is a year older than Doncic.

Take a look at that Dallas roster, it’s amazing that team is at .500.

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February 24, 2021 9:07 am
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My point is that Doncic is a very good player, but it’s not all lollipops and handjobs. In nine games out of ten, he’ll be a net positive, but he’s not a particularly good shooter from deep, and his defense remains bad. His instincts and reflexes could allow him to improve, but even with a half-foot height advantage compared to Fox, he gets far fewer blocks, and Fox bests him by fifty percent on steals, based on the three years since LD joined the league.

I’m not offering these as criticisms, as anyone can see that Doncic is the more valuable player of the two. My take is that it’s a lot more likely that Fox can narrow the distance in areas where Doncic is better, than it is that Doncic can make up the difference where Fox is better.

Plus, you know, the whole thing where Luka would’ve taken the ball out of Fox’s hands.

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February 24, 2021 9:17 am
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In theory, you may be right, but I think that behind the boyish smile and the childish whine there is a relentless competitor in Luka that will do everything to become a champion.

My feeling is that Fox lacks the same drive and competetiveness. And by the end of their career, Luka will improve more than Fox.

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February 24, 2021 10:04 am
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I agree with you about Luka’s competetiveness; he’s got some junkyard dog in him.

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February 24, 2021 9:29 am
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I mean, the amazing thing is that he isn’t an efficient deep shooter, but still puts up a good TS% and facilitates at such a high level that he’s carried a weak roster to the #1 offense last year and a top ten offense this year.

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February 24, 2021 8:56 am

I agree they wouldn’t trade him for anything, but I think it’s more to do with ticket sales, than winning basketball. Fans love themselves a great white hope.

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February 24, 2021 9:44 am
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Not at all because he put up one of the best 19-year-old seasons in history as a rookie, carried a weak roster to the #1 offense and a playoff berth where he played extremely well. People do love a great white hope, but in this case, you’re just using that as a cop-out.

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February 24, 2021 10:23 am
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Have you seen this guy in person?
He is a joy to watch. He passes like Webber in his prime, who also was a joy to watch. Didn’t bug me that Webber was black.
Sure, there are people who identify with Luka because of his color. Why shouldn’t they? There are people who identify with Fox or Lebron because of their color.
There are people, like me, who gravitate to Luka because of his nationality/heritage, which I share.
To say this guy is overrated because of his race is ridiculous.
Dude is an amazing player. I saw him in person in his second year and he looked like a vet. I admired that just as I admire the savvy play of Haliburton.
Doncic makes Bagley look like a D-league scrub. And that comparison has nothing to do with the respective color of their skins.

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February 24, 2021 10:43 am

I just love watching high BBIQ players who know how to play the game and pass; whether that is Luka, Tyrese, LBJ, Jokic or Chris Paul.

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February 24, 2021 7:18 pm

Yikes. Awkward & cringeworthy. Are you sure it didn’t bother you Webber was black? Kinda sounds like it did. Liking Luka because he’s good fine….Liking Luka because you his share heritage…Ok. Liking Luka because he has white skin…is pathetic.

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February 24, 2021 4:28 am
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As long as the Mavs have Luka, I’m probably always going to like their roster better. Because they will have the ability to build around an upper tier player in the NBA, and that’s always going to put you closer to a ring.

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February 23, 2021 11:23 pm

I know there are some that are bummed about this 8 game losing streak. Not me. The reason? Tyrese Haliburton. This kid is so good. A couple weeks ago in the Orlando game, I felt like he was way too passive and didn’t shoot the ball at all later when he had it going early. Tonight he took 20 shots which is huge. He’s never going to be a super high volume scorer but he’s too good and too efficient already not to shoot more than he has. I feel like we’re seeing more of that the last couple weeks and it’s exciting. Throw a top-5 pick in there next year and I think we’ll actually be moving in the right direction.

I think I feel better about Tyrese as a rookie than I have about any Kings rookie since Tyreke Evans. But unlike Tyreke, I feel like this is totally sustainable and if anything Haliburton is only going to get better.

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February 24, 2021 3:04 am

Maybe he was deferring to other players when he first came in, but perhaps the coaches are telling him to be more aggressive in looking for his own shot now?

The broadcasters pointed out something about Tyrese’s dad telling him “you can’t win without your teammates” or something like that, and he seems to be very unselfish.

But with this roster, I think Tyrese and the coaches are figuring out that he needs to shoot more for this team to win.

Anyway, yeah the future is pretty bright when you imagine what Haliburton can grow into.

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February 24, 2021 7:56 am
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Yeah I think he’s an unselfish guy and in an ideal situation he’s the third or fourth option on offense. The Kings are not an ideal situation so he’s going to have to shoot more.

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February 24, 2021 10:25 am
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I agree with our take. He did seem to defer to his teammates a lot in the early season. But I also think he understands that getting others involved creates space for your own game. Not everyone on the team understands that.

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February 23, 2021 11:31 pm

I think a lot of us has moved on from the Luka debacle. I don’t give a shit what he does or doesn’t do. I’m just hopeful McNair makes good decisions down the line to build us up for next 3-4 years

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February 23, 2021 11:35 pm
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I think Luke is just playing out the string and he’ll be gone in the off season. I still doubt he gets let go in season unless this team goes into the break on like a 14 game losing streak or something like that.

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February 24, 2021 8:28 am

Fourteen straight losses doesn’t feel like an impossibility at all.

It’s all about the draft and developing the youngsters.

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February 24, 2021 12:18 am
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I think the only reason most or any of us can forget the Luka debacle is Tyrese. He’s seriously legit and such a joy to watch. Makes the entire team better and me almost forget…..

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February 24, 2021 3:06 am
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Yeah, pretty much.

I was one of the people who was extremely bummed by the missed draft selection. But I’m so happy that we have Tyrese on the team and I’ve started to move on and let go….

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February 24, 2021 8:48 am
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We should only move on until we got competence in the league, and right now, with the addition of Hali, we are still not good…

So, we should concentrate on youth development (i.e. Woodard, Jeffries), and TANK !!!

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February 24, 2021 7:00 am

Fox was ready to win that game in the 4th and none of his teammates wanted to join him. He went into superstar mode and his teammates (except Ty) went into dud mode.

110-109 with 7 minutes left after Fox nailed another 3, then we did not make another FG for the next 6 minutes of the game until Fox make a few shots under 1 minute when the game was over. Jefferies should have been in the 4th quarter lineup over Joseph then we could have got more defense and boards and built a lead to put more pressure on them.

We do not need to trade away HB and Holmes to Tank when we have the Tank Commander as the coach and the worst rotational player in the league getting minutes like Clockwork.

Jerry Reynolds said on the most recent Podcast why not put Ty on Harden and afford him some lessons against one of the best offensive players of all-time? Totally agree, and you know what the times he was on him he did a very good job.

As critical as I am of this coach about to permanently exiled from the NBA, and his body language seems to indicate he knows it, he did make a smart decision putting Barnes on Harden.

We were competitive and spirited like we have not been in weeks with the return of HB, a guy many fans want to peddle off for a bag of chips and a future role player, when in fact we can coincidentally keep him and secure another great player this draft!

It is not an either / or proposition, to dump a very good player like HB and get a future all-star like Jonathon Kuminga, a future multi-time NBA All-Star and 20 PPG scorer when he first steps onto the NBA floor! Can we get Kuminga with the 4-8th pick? I hope so! Major baller with elite potential.

When Barnes is off the floor, Ty and Jeffries are the next defenders you send at Harden, not Joseph!!! It is insane the coach has done this all season long, most recently enabling Lavine to go for 38 points on 20 shots with the rotund little twerp getting burned 12 ways from Sunday.

Marvin is Mr. Anti-Clutch. He does not get too many chances in the 4th but when he does and the game is on the line he shoots about 10% FGs. And Bagley cannot hold defensive rebounding position to save his life. 10 rebounds is deceiving, he gets pushed around like a Rag Doll. Where is the fight? The lower and upper base is not there and the mean streak is not there. He needs to Sabonis training regimen, and he needs to more offended by this disrespect opponents have for his physicality.

We have two guys in Bagley and Buddy who off-season training is highly suspect and we are seeing the consequences of their dubious training methods.

Buddy did not have a good game but this game is worth note because he did NOT shoot us out of the game with his mindless chucking. This is sadly now progress, and something I advocated for. Insist on wide open 3s and play from the inside out. He only shot 6 3s and 9 shots overall in 36 minutes. This is good. Lose some weight and then maybe you can get freer more often to get your shots up and stop getting eviscerated on simple screens.

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February 24, 2021 9:17 am
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Who wants to get rid of barnes for a bag of chips? I see most trade ideas giving us quite a haul back, and that’s the correct front office move if available

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February 24, 2021 10:35 am
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“We do not need to trade away HB and Holmes to Tank when we have the Tank Commander as the coach and the worst rotational player in the league getting minutes like Clockwork.”

Loved this.

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February 24, 2021 8:33 am

Kings lose and Sixers win. A perfect night for me last night.

Do it Monte.

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February 24, 2021 8:38 am
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I know you watch them much more than I do – what is the big difference for the Sixers this season? Is it as simple as Embiid playing at a high level on a consistent basis? Harris’ improved play?

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February 24, 2021 9:36 am
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Embiid has been very consistent. His ability to get to the line is scary. The team as a whole dials it up in the 4Q when needed, like no Sixers team I’ve ever seen before, they did it again last night, Joel and Doc are the primary reasons why. The fun comparisons right now with Embiid’s season is Embiid vs Iverson.

Seth is a great shooter and helps immensely, but they still could use more shooting.

Short answer, Doc Rivers came in and clearly defined everyone’s role, and the team has an identity. No longer are we discussing how Simmons will fit without shooting, or how Harris will fit. Doc defined all of it so I think he’s had a HUGE impact. Night and day actually, I’m no longer perplexed at how or why they do the things they do, now they just compete.

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February 24, 2021 10:38 am
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They impressed me when I have seen them this year. they seem like a machine. No doubts on what they should do. I can’t remember which game it was, but while watching I thought they were sure to get to the finals.
In contrast, the Nets seem chaotic.

Brizz
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February 24, 2021 9:52 am

I’m surprised no one is mentioning our coaching staff telling the team to intentionally foul DeAndre with less than two min remaining. Then again, I’m sure no one is surprised by that.

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