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Bucks 135, Kings 126: Donte’s Inferno

The Kings brought the heat, but the Bucks survived the flames of basketball hell tonight.
By | 170 Comments | Mar 16, 2022

Mar 16, 2022; Sacramento, California, USA; Milwaukee Bucks forward Giannis Antetokounmpo (34) dunks the ball between Sacramento Kings forward Trey Lyles (41) and center Domantas Sabonis (10) during the second quarter at Golden 1 Center. Mandatory Credit: Kelley L Cox-USA TODAY Sports

I spent the past few days contemplating on how to open this recap and get y’all interested in still tuning into this team at this point. With only 11 games left after tonight, no reason for a play-in push, and no reason to win, I was finding it difficult to find anything enticing to preface this all with. And then the great Blake Ellington published a fantastic article detailing 5 things to watch in the final 12 games of the season. So, go read that and get pumped for some late season Kings basketball! They continued on one of the hardest stretches of their schedule by facing the Milwaukee Bucks tonight. Let’s see how they did:

Quick Stats

Outcome: Kings lose, 135-126

Sacramento Kings: 126 pts, 48.9% fg, 37.2% 3 pt, 85.7% ft, 27 ast, 39 reb, 15 to

Milwaukee Bucks: 135 pts, 52.8% fg, 51.4% 3 pt, 71.9% ft, 21 ast, 47 reb, 13 to

Well, in case you needed any extra reasons to keep watching the Kings, they offered up a handful of them tonight. Despite the loss, this was one of the most entertaining games to watch this season. Golden 1 Center was vibrating with energy, the Kings went toe to toe with the reigning champions, and I feel like a proud grandmother that just loves and appreciates the effort and fight from my boys.

The Good, The Bad, & The Ugly
The Good
  1. Donte’s Inferno: Where are my Divine Comedy fans at? This was scheduled to be Donte DiVincenzo’s revenge game against his former team, and although the Kings didn’t secure the win, I couldn’t have been more entertained by his performance. Donte finished with 19 points, three steals, and four made 3-pointers. He was clearly on a mission and it felt like his teammates were supportive by finding him within the offense.
  2. Bench Mob: While De’Aaron Fox secured his 17th consecutive game of 20+ points, as well as his 2,000th career assist, he was still visibly struggling with a right-hand injury all game. With Fox hindered, the Kings needed others to step up and carry the load, and the bench came all the way through. Led by Donte DiVincenzo and Davion Mitchell, the bench contributed a total of 53 points. It was also the bench unit that provided the defensive spark that got the Kings going to bring them back from an 11-point deficit and keep them within striking range down the stretch of the game. Chimezie Metu had a few great sequences on both ends of the floor, as he finished with nine points on 4-5 from the field. It was also great to see Richaun Holmes find some rhythm and have some big plays, including an absolutely disgusting put back in the fourth quarter.
  3. D&D: I am not sure I can even find the words to describe how much I loved watching Donte DiVincenzo and Davion Mitchell tonight. Both played huge roles tonight in keeping the Kings in this game as they combined for seven made 3-pointers. But my favorite part was watching them work on defense. Against much bigger matchups in Khris Middleton, Jrue Holiday, and, oh yeah, that one freakishly built human named Giannis Antetokoumpo, Donte and Davion showed absolutely no fear. To make up for their disadvantage in size, Donte and Davion both put in the extra effort to get their bodies in front of men, and be physically felt by their opponents.
  4. Playing the Slow Game: The pace of this game felt much slower than what the Kings typically try to play at. Against a championship team, they were forced into a half court game more often than not, shown by them only scoring seven fast break points. I was nervous about this, as we’ve heard the goal of pace being hammered into our brains for the past five years, but the Kings showed growth and success in the half court set tonight. The Bucks aimed to pack the paint most of the night, and the Kings showed patience and ball movement to probe the defense before finding open shooters. The Kings worked the ball inside and out, took what the defense gave them, and in most instances, made the right pass to an open shooter.
The Bad
  1. Black Falcon, We Need You: Harrison Barnes had a quiet night, finishing with just 10 points on 3-5 from the field and 3-3 from the free throw line. Alvin Gentry went with the three guard lineup to close the game, leaving Barnes to log just 22 minutes. It took three quarters for Barnes to attempt five field goals. Against a powerhouse like the Milwaukee Bucks, the Kings really needed more from Barnes tonight. As the Bucks’ big 3 of Giannis Antetokounmpo (36 points), Khris Middleton (32 points), and Jrue Holiday (21 points) tallied their usual contributions for their team, the Kings were missing their third guy in the box score alongside Domantas Sabonis (22 points) and De’Aaron Fox (21 points).
The Ugly
  1. Turnovers: The Kings were trading baskets with the NBA champions in the final minutes of this game. It was fun, it was thrilling, and it made me actually want them to win. But in the last two minutes, De’Aaron Fox committed four turnovers as the Kings tried to match the Bucks’ final scoring possessions. Two things can be true at once: (1) De’Aaron Fox had another great game of 21 points and seven assists and was a big reason the Kings were in a position to win and (2) De’Aaron Fox cost the Kings their opportunity to win in final possessions with some poor decisions.
The King of Kings

Donte DiVincenzo, of course, gets the crown for being the most fun player to watch on the Kings tonight. The motivation to torch his former team, the fight to bang with the bigger bodies, and the confidence it takes to score 19 points off the bench were all things I loved to see from him tonight.

Operation: M.C.N.A.I.R. Watch

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Rojoking
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March 16, 2022 10:41 pm

can we please get some 3 point defense?

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March 17, 2022 8:36 am
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Agreed. Holiday should be sat for the rest of the season and hopefully moved as a filler in the off season.

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March 17, 2022 12:30 pm
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So what else is new!

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March 16, 2022 10:47 pm

DDV and Davion look better with more minutes . Fox was actually bad tonite, poor shooting and 9 to’s , did play hurt. Gentry needs to move on from Holiday . No future . Amazing that Bucks have a Championship team built around only 2 draft picks, the rest trades and FA’s and the picks were 16 and 37 ( Giannis, Middleton )

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March 16, 2022 10:57 pm
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Actually, Middleton was drafted by Detroit and traded to the Bucks in the Brandon Jennings deal in 2013.

Jordan Nwora is the only player on the Bucks roster other than Giannis drafted by them. And Nwora was a 2nd rd pick in 2020.

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March 17, 2022 7:15 am
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I agree about Holiday. He isn’t going to play much next year or even at all. I have a problem but it.s a good problem. We have two players who could start with Fox and at this time I really can’t decide which one, and I really like the two playing together.

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March 17, 2022 12:22 pm
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DD can be slotted at the wing if the matchups are right. He’s shown that he can make things difficult for bigger players, and I love the idea of having our guys swarming like bees on defense.

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March 17, 2022 12:19 pm
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I couldn’t understand why the hell Gentry didn’t take Fox out once it was clear he was injured, or (I hate to say it), after Fox got to twenty.

Fox didn’t want to come out? Tough shit! You’re the coach, do your job!

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March 16, 2022 11:38 pm

Finding silver linings is getting harder and harder, it’s like a nightmarish version of groundhog day.

All that said, here we go:

The Kangz have the same number of road wins as the Fakers with lebron/davis/westbrook.

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March 17, 2022 4:17 am
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same number of road wins as the Fakers with lebron/davis/westbrook.

This is pretty good

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March 17, 2022 7:43 am
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Here are some: Davion has a growing bag of tricks. Divincenzo is showing he can be a quality starter or key rotational player. Metu is adding consistency to his flashes. Lyles is a good basketball player.

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March 17, 2022 8:45 am
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Divincenzo can definitely be a good rotational piece. We need an elite, or at least consistent 3 point shooter to start with Fox and Sabonis.

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March 17, 2022 12:24 pm
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Perhaps a guy who’s made 40% of his threes on huge volume over his career? Those guys don’t grow on trees.

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March 17, 2022 12:57 pm
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Are you being presumptuous enough, again, to argue that Steph Curry would help the Kings win more games?

Jeesh Sims. You really like to go out on a limb, don’t you?

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March 17, 2022 1:21 pm
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Pfft, we’d run his ass out of town for his shitty dancing.

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March 17, 2022 2:28 pm
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Gotta have some nifty footwork if you gonna survive this cowtown.

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March 17, 2022 3:50 pm
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Vacaville is the cow town😜

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March 17, 2022 4:46 pm
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Details are stupid.

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March 16, 2022 11:40 pm

Apparently there was a game tonight? Hell, I didn’t even get a chance to sell my tickets. 🙁

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March 17, 2022 1:29 am
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They are actually playing very competitively vs good teams right now, regardless of whether you’re aware of it. Been fun games to watch, actually

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March 17, 2022 7:14 am
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Except for the constant useless chatter from Kyle and Kayte !

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March 17, 2022 7:17 am
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I like them so does that mean our votes cancel each other.

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March 17, 2022 8:24 am
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You enjoy useless chatter .

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March 17, 2022 1:51 pm
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No but I enjoy Kayte. She knows her basketball. Until I hear something about knowing basketball from you I will continue to enjoy her comments.

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March 17, 2022 4:19 pm
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Well, he’s here isn’t he?

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March 17, 2022 10:20 am
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Agreed, constant and nauseating.

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March 17, 2022 6:24 am

Great summary of what I saw! Thanks, Mirann!

Last season I cancelled my monthly league pass because I couldn’t stand to watch the Kings’ lack of defense. At the same point in this season, they are a treat to watch with their intensity and effort, especially Donte and Davion! They are a joy.

If De’Aaron is the least bit hurt, let him sit. Give other players some burn.

Metu and Lyles make a good 1-2 at the 4.

The Kings seem to lack only outside shooting from being a playoff team.

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March 17, 2022 8:28 am
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Hat tip for being the first person in this article / thread to mention Lyles. I don’t know what the future holds for him, but he was outstanding last night. The kind of guy that, if he can provide that level consistently, would be an excellent bench piece.

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March 17, 2022 8:30 am
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We should add, a very cheap, excellent bench piece. His TO salary of $2.6M next year is very good value.

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March 17, 2022 8:53 am
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Second hat tip to Monte for turning Bagley into DDV and Lyles.

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March 17, 2022 9:02 am
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I mentioned him several times in the game thread. Quite impressive he was. At one point in the 4th, I said I thought Gentry should replace Lyles with Holmes. That wasn’t a very good take, as it turned out.

Lyles has been so good for awhile now. I’m not sure his DRtg (118) in March does him justice given the energy and activity he displays (and the boards, oh my, those beautiful boards he gets), but he does have a 113 ORtg and a 61 TS% in March.

I think his performance gives the Kings a great deal to think about in June when his team option comes up. And that says everything about how he’s performed since starting IMO.

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March 17, 2022 9:18 am
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So if I understand it right, he has a $2.6m team option, which seems like a no-brainer. DDV has a $6.6m QO. The Kings can exceed the cap to re-sign DDV and do not have to use their MLE on him. Is that accurate?

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March 17, 2022 9:28 am
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I believe you are correct, but it may come down to timing. If DDV signs an offer sheet right away the Kings may be forced to use that cap space to retain him. It would nice to use the cap space elsewhere first, then go over the cap to keep DDV.

If you are DDV do you take the QO and opt for UFA the summer of 2023 or test RFA this summer?

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March 17, 2022 9:34 am
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DDV turned down a deal from MIL of like 3 years/$30M before he got hurt, and now faces an unknown future. I imagine he is a little gun-shy abt turning down another multi-year contract.

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March 17, 2022 9:51 am
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So if I understand it right, he has a $2.6m team option, which seems like a no-brainer. DDV has a $6.6m QO. The Kings can exceed the cap to re-sign DDV and do not have to use their MLE on him. Is that accurate?

Yep, that’s accurate although not the entire story. Dante’s cap hold is 14M, for starters. The Kings have full Bird rights and could theoretically resign Dante to a max deal. As I’ve said, the QO mainly exists so that teams and players alike are encouraged to sign new deals. I would be shocked if Dante signs his QO as A) negotiations have broken down and B) it’s challenging to trade a player in that scenario given he has a no trade clause as a result of signing the QO. I think Dante is in that 10-12M range, and I can easily see them offering a 4/48 type deal. I’m not sure I would go that high yet, but I can squint and see it kinda.

Lyles is both a very valuable trade chip because he’s automatic cap space for this summer OR because he’s cheap and potentially very productive. He’s probably the best bottom half of the roster asset the Kings have.

If that’s one thing that Monte has right now, it’s ALOT of cheap tradeable pieces. That’s especially handy since they aren’t likely dying to trade Barnes unless they get a Siakam maybe?

This team doesn’t have cap room this summer, but they do have lots of flexibility for trades in particular. That’s a reason I’m remaining optimistic.

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March 17, 2022 12:33 pm
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I do like what I’ve seen from Lyles. He’s not going to blow you away with his athleticism, but his play is smart, he knows what he’s good at, and doesn’t try to do a bunch of things that he can’t. His shooting stroke is awfully nice, and he manages to play well on defense, with good anticipation and quick decision-making.

He also does one other thing that I like, and which only Moe Harkless seems to do: When he drives to the rim, he’s looking to dunk the ball, first, second, and third. Foul him if you want, but he’s getting his points.

As you explained, his contract is spectacular, and he could be a great rotational piece, or be part of a deal to acquire a better player. Tre all day!

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March 17, 2022 8:55 am
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I want Fox and Sabonis to continue to build together so sitting him may not be the best idea right now. However, no other players besides Donte and Davion and should see guard minutes for the rest of the season.

Lyles has been a nice addition. He’s only 26 and showing he should be a rotational piece in the future.

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March 17, 2022 4:21 pm
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Ehh, Metu and Lyle might make a good 3-4 at the 4.

In addition to outside shooting, they also lack defense pretty much anywhere outside the back-up guard slot.

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March 17, 2022 6:36 am

I learned today shooting 34% equates to a great game. Live or die by Westbrook Lite.

De’Aaron Fox had another great game of 21 points and seven assists and was a big reason the Kings were in a position to win

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March 17, 2022 7:28 am
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He appeared to be rattled by the hand injury (non-shooting hand) and officiating. It took it out of his game long before those 4 consecutive turnovers in crunch time. Does not make it a valid excuse.

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March 17, 2022 8:53 am
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Personally, would have preferred to see Fox sit v. playing one-handed.

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March 17, 2022 9:00 am
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Or regain his composure.

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March 17, 2022 9:11 am
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I’m glad he played. Yeah, I know the stat line is ugly, but that’s how it goes in the NBA. Great players have these kind of games every once in awhile. The trick is not have them as frequently as Westbrook has them now.

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March 17, 2022 11:05 am
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Crazy right? Not to mention that Fox is probably better suited as a bull fighter based on his defense. I know one thing, if he were in court he’d be screwed, the prosecution would have no opposition.

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March 17, 2022 12:39 pm
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I can’t make sense of this, either from a basketball perspective, or a legal one.

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March 17, 2022 12:50 pm
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Translation: There is no Defense from Fox

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March 17, 2022 7:06 am

When these bloggers try to tell us after less than one season Mitchell projects as a backup guard or someone like Patrick Beverly perhaps the most ridiculous comparison I’ve heard don’t inhale. When they try to tell you Fox and Mitchell can’t play together don’t inhale. We’ve got ourselves a two way player in Mitchell, I just hope Kings management sees it. I wouldn’t mind Fox missing a few games so he gets a better chance to show his stuff.

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March 17, 2022 7:10 am
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I really enjoy watching DDV and Mitchell play together. As an old coach I love defense and those two provided me with some.

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March 17, 2022 8:26 am
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Yeah it’s nice to watch players play both sides of the ball. I hope we can see those guys get more minutes together as we wrap of the season.

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March 17, 2022 11:07 am
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Agreed. Plus it’s always nice to see someone on the Kings play defense.

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March 17, 2022 7:17 am
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Like bloggers saying the Kings can get Zach Levine !

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March 17, 2022 8:28 am
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Of course it was said as a very long shot and to the point that a player like that is what the Kings need. Don’t be a toady ass. Your smarter than that.

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March 17, 2022 8:31 am
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Irony alert.

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March 17, 2022 8:33 am
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Have you ever noticed that little men act macho when behind the wheel of a car or when posting on blogs.

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March 17, 2022 8:37 am
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Irony alert x 2!

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March 17, 2022 8:38 am
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Small man’s syndrome on display again.

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March 17, 2022 8:41 am
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March 17, 2022 8:42 am
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Living vicariously through a blog.

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March 17, 2022 8:46 am
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March 17, 2022 8:48 am
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Pee Wee plays your part well although isn’t he a little bigger than you?

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March 17, 2022 10:41 am
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Thisx has gone past irony and into performance art-territory.

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March 17, 2022 12:42 pm
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Expecting our resident genius to tag in Alex Jones at any moment.

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March 17, 2022 12:57 pm
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Yes you are !

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March 17, 2022 12:41 pm
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Also: You’re smarter than that.

But you are smart, yes? So you already know this.

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March 17, 2022 7:43 am
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If Pat Beverly isn’t a fair and complimentary comp, then who is in your opinion?

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March 17, 2022 8:21 am
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We don’t know yet. Mitchell can teach himself pretty much any move or nuance that he sees done by a 6 foot point guard (except for the insane vertical stuff) and has the IQ to know when to implement it.

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March 17, 2022 8:23 am
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Agree to your point we certainly don’t know yet. Of course many who have never played or coached seem to know already.

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March 17, 2022 8:26 am
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You do not know that but not surprising !

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You’re following me around like a dog in heat like that other blogger who I just ignore. It’s kind of embarrassing. I do appreciate that you value my opinion if though you can’t admit it.

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March 17, 2022 8:30 am
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March 17, 2022 8:31 am
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The little man has weighed in.

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March 17, 2022 8:35 am
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And getting shorter with each passing day! On the other hand, I do know the difference between “you’re” and “your.”
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March 17, 2022 8:37 am
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Small man’s syndrome.

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March 17, 2022 8:41 am
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March 17, 2022 8:44 am
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He would never do that in person.

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March 17, 2022 8:47 am
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Says the person hiding behind a screen name.
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March 17, 2022 8:49 am
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Says the very small person with a complex,

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March 17, 2022 10:25 am
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If you want to see a 6’1′ guard score in the NBA just look at Jalen Brunson and Mitchell can play defense.

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March 17, 2022 8:21 am
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These goddamn bloggers. They have no respect comparing a guy like Davion to PatBev. The nerve!

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March 17, 2022 8:21 am
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They are both dogs on defense especially on ball. After that their games are completely different. Mitchell is a much better ball handler and facilitator and much more equipped to beat his defender and attack the basket. Beverly is a more experienced defender, works off picks a little better than Mitchell and understands team defense better at this point. But offensively they are completely different players and Mitchell has more weapons on offense although still evolving as a shooter. Beverly is a fierce competitor and I think Mitchell has a similar mindset.

Hard to compare Mitchell to anybody but he has aspects of Kyle Lowery (not merely the shooter or shot creator) and Patty Mills in his game. Some combination of those guys is a much better comparison than PB.

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March 17, 2022 9:14 am
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I mentioned Kyle Lowry yesterday as a very optimistic comp, but I’ll also add unrealistic. Lowry’s growth as a player is an outlier to most NBA careers, much like Jimmy Butler. They took years to become the stars we know today. I think the issue for Davion is time. He’s gonna be 24 before the beginning of next season. By the time Lowry turned 24 he had played in 5 NBA seasons and became a starter for Houston.

Could Davion become a Lowry type player? Sure, but I wouldn’t bet on it. It’s kind of like saying Haliburton will become the next Chris Paul or Cade Cunningham will be become the next Kobe. There’s always a chance, I suppose.

From all that, Mitchell is likely not even a top 10 rookie currently in his draft class. Things could change in a few seasons, but at his age I’m just not sure there is that much of a ceiling left. Very few players improve that much past the age of 25 and the ones that do are true multi-year all-stars. I think it would take Mitchell supplanting Fox on the team by this time next year for me to say Mitchell is going to be that good.

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March 17, 2022 9:17 am
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Who are your top 10 rookies? Obviously Cunningham, Mobley, Barnes. But after them, who do ya got?

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March 17, 2022 9:24 am
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My current top 10 would be Mobley, Barnes, Cunningham, Wagner, Giddey, Green, Jones, Duarte, Kuminga, Dosunmu. Mitchell and Hyland would be battling for 11th chair right now.

As we have noted, Fox was not a top ten rookie while DSJ was, so I don’t put too much stock in rookie rankings. But Mitchell has pretty much been as advertised – a defensive minded point guard that needs to work on his shot.

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March 17, 2022 9:35 am
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That would pretty much be my top 10 as well. Tre Mann is also climbing that list and a healthy Suggs may be there soon as well. Also, as I mentioned above, all those guys, minus Duarte, are younger than Mitchell.

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March 17, 2022 9:36 am
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Mann, (Zaire) Williams, Boston Jr, Sengun, Primo could all be interesting as well.

Mann and Boston have been very good for the Clippers all year.

This seems to be a quality draft with talent all over the place is my main takeaway.

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March 17, 2022 9:49 am
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Agreed. Maybe add Moody to that list as well, and I’m not out yet on Bouknight, either. Some interesting longer term projects in Kai Jones and Garuba.

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March 17, 2022 10:33 am
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I really don’t like evaluating drats before 10 years. I know that makes me weird, but alot happens in a decade.

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March 17, 2022 12:46 pm
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Bouknight could have a jump like the one Desmond Bane took this year. He didn’t seem to get his feet under him as a rookie, but man, he sure looks like a steal right now,

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March 17, 2022 1:02 pm
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Isaac Okafor as well . Major strides .

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March 17, 2022 2:30 pm
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You mean Okoro. But yes, Okoro has done well for Cleveland.

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March 17, 2022 4:45 pm
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Bane? Bane had a very good rookie year. He shot 43% on good volume/minute, put up a .600 TS%, and played good defense.

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March 17, 2022 5:01 pm

That should read 43% from 3.

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March 17, 2022 2:44 pm
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LAC Mann is different than the rookie Mann

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March 17, 2022 4:40 pm
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Oh yeah, my bad. For some reason I got the OKC and LAC mixed up. My bad. Thanks for the correction!

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March 17, 2022 10:13 am
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I think Mitchell’s standing will be decided if and when he gets into a playoff series. His ability to slow down or possibly take an offensive player out of a series is when his value will go up. I could see him becoming one of, if not our most popular player if we can get him into the playoffs off of just his defense.

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March 17, 2022 5:34 pm
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Grimes and Sengun probably need consideration in there as well.

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March 17, 2022 5:44 pm

Yep.

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March 17, 2022 9:18 am
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We will see. You could be right but I’m projecting him much higher than you. Don’t want anything bad to happen to Fox but I’d like to see a few games without Fox suited up. I’m not interested in a top 10 rookie opinion. Those things seem to change dramatically with time.

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March 17, 2022 10:39 am
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Don’t compare Mitchell to another player. He is who he is and a very good player at that. I would feel more comfortable watching hm play for the Kings. Even as a 24 year old rookie he does some things better than a lot of players who have been in this league a lot longer I think the Kings should keep him, not trade him. In my opinion he is a winner and you can’t slot that in to the tangibles. As a side note he plays really well along side DDV. Those two together can really play havoc in a game. Two winners who play defense can play into a lot of wins especially in the fourth quarter. The only problem I see is a good one. How are you going to play both along side Fox for any long period of time? Last night they all 3 played together and only good things happened. I thought Monty did a really good job of trading Bagley and eventually getting DDV. He knows a winner when he sees one.

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March 17, 2022 8:29 am
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March 17, 2022 12:39 pm
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Pretty sure that Kings management saw it when they decided to draft him.

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March 17, 2022 7:31 am

I am sore after watching that game.

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March 17, 2022 7:47 am

So many nights it’s only Fox and Sabonis out there playing well. We had a night where it was everyone but Fox and Sabonis playing well.

This team has 2 good players, a solid starter and then a handful of really good to solid role players.

Can Mitchell get his offense to be more consistent and be a starting level player? I’m starting to get more optimistic again that he may. His ability to get to the rim has been impressive and he can get separation on his shot(he just needs to hit it more often)

If he can the Kings have 4 starting level players.

They’d need 2 more.

They’ll have Richaun, potentially Harrison Barnes(I wouldn’t do it, too hard to replace), and all of their draft picks to figure it out this summer.

I can see there are pieces here towards a pretty good basketball team, but you have to nail your distribution of the remaining assets the Kings do actually have still.

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March 17, 2022 8:55 am

MItchell is so fundamentally sound, I just can’t see him being anything less than a solid 6th man.

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March 17, 2022 9:07 am
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As time has dragged on, it’s harder for me to see Davion being a bust. He just simply doesn’t quit. I don’t know if the Kings are ultimately the right team for him, but man it was fun watching him get after it. (I suppose it wasn’t that fun watching all the rookie calls he continually gets. But, that’s the way of the NBA for young guys.)

I am now officially nominating the DiVicenzo-Mitchell lineups as the D&D wrecking crew. They some Nasty Boys!

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March 17, 2022 9:16 am
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Yup, if the Kings can find superior talent in the backcourt to make D&D (I like the moniker) your bench mob, you are off to a good start.

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March 17, 2022 10:45 am
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Boy do I agree with you.Go Mitchell and DDV.

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March 17, 2022 1:21 pm
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March 17, 2022 9:09 am
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I agree, already a fantastic defender. His shot mechanics are sound, so I have hope he can become a good shooter. I do think he needs to get a little better at seeing the court, but if he is coming off the bench mostly due to just being behind Fox, him being more shoot first oriented works off the bench anyways.

I feel like most playoff teams have at least 1 guy coming off the bench that could start for most teams in this league. I could see him becoming that(ie Bobby Jackson would have started for a lot of teams, but Bibby was more consistent and fit better)

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March 17, 2022 1:34 pm

I still think they are far away. Maybe a .500 team. A Healthy West: Suns, Clips, Wolves, Grizz, Mavs, Jazz, Denver, And Pels(Zion, McCollum, and BI) are all clearly better than the Kings. I don’t even think it’s close. Kings are a playin team, at best.

Kings will have to get extremely lucky in the draft. Even then, how much impact do you expect from a rookie? Kings don’t have much in the way of assets.

Holmes(Undersized, one dimensional) Barnes(Nice player, but turning 30)That’s pretty much it. If you package one or two of those players with the pick, what are you expecting?

A game changer. Highly doubtful.
The Kings only and best hope. Fox finally makes that leap. Consistent 3pt shooting and D from day 1 next season. There is no cushion in the West with this team. Kings start out slow again, they’re done.

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March 17, 2022 8:19 am

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March 17, 2022 8:34 am
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Dare I say it, but Donte is going to make up for the loss of Hali. Totally different players, but I think he will be a key part to this team’s success going forward and become a fan favorite. He works so hard. Oh and BTW, Lyle is a keeper too. Dude has a high game IQ and plays as hard as anyone on the floor.

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March 17, 2022 8:36 am
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I don’t know what it will cost to retain him, but to basically get him for free may wind up being one of the better deals for this front office. I hope that he’s here next year – would love to see him after he has a chance to be completely healthy and knock off all of the rust.

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March 17, 2022 8:57 am
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I would imagine the FO is starting to see him as next year’s starting SG more and more. If that’s the case, $12M-14M/year is probably likely.

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I like his game but not sure he’s a starter on a playoff team. I like Donte and Davion as the first guard/wing off the bench.

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March 17, 2022 9:15 am
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You mean a championship team like the bucks???

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March 17, 2022 1:05 pm
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He was not in the Championship run – Playoffs but do see the potential !

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March 17, 2022 9:04 am
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Hard to say. He was an energetic brick layer when he first got here. Career-wise, he might be a borderline MLE player? Career .345 from 3 for his career, and I’m not sure that gets it done as it pertains to the Kings’ needs at starting SG next year. He was at 38% the year that he started the entire season for the Bucks, so maybe?

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March 17, 2022 9:09 am
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4 year 44M and that’s the final offer. Who says no?

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March 17, 2022 9:25 am
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That seems fair, but would also eat up all the remaining cap space with still a massive hole at the 4 spot. Landing the right player in the draft could really help this team. C’mon Keegan!

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March 17, 2022 9:27 am
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Because DDV is an RFA, I think that the Kings can exceed the cap to re-sign him? That is, they could use their MLE somewhere else and then still re-sign DDV? I could be 100% wrong about this, of course.

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March 17, 2022 10:39 am
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Because DDV is an RFA, I think that the Kings can exceed the cap to re-sign him?

It’s because the Kings have full Bird rights they can exceed the cap to resign DDV. You can have early Bird rights like the Kings did with Terence Davis and have that player be RFA, as well.

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March 17, 2022 10:37 am
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The Kings would still have the MLE and the draft. Also, as everyone keeps saying, the Kings don’t have cap space. What they DO have is alot of room between committed salary and the tax line.

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March 17, 2022 9:30 am
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I’d say no. That’s a lot of money for a guy who plays above-average defense, but does little else of note. Though, I’d go 4/$24-28, simply because of how terrible most of our players are defensively.

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March 17, 2022 10:53 am
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DDV is not your average defensive guy.

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March 17, 2022 3:21 pm
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Not so sure about that one. His DTRG is fairly mediocre, and he’s allowing his guys to shoot above their season % by a diff of +5, if I’m reading NBA.com correctly. He plays hard though, which is nice to see.

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March 17, 2022 10:58 am
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I would imagine that $10M/year is as low as he will get.

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March 17, 2022 1:25 pm
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What? The guy is a career back up. Hell no.

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March 17, 2022 5:46 pm
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Started every game for an NBA champ.

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March 17, 2022 5:49 pm
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Yet got replaced by a young Ted Cruz.

Joke….just a joke.

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March 17, 2022 9:14 am
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I think it’s pretty fair to say that our guard rotation is set next year with Fox, Davion, TD and DD. Which one of TD or DD start next to Fox is likely the question but if we can just shore up the wing depth with one high quality FA like Portis or TJ Warren and a good draft pick like Smith, Murray or Griffin then we are solid.

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March 17, 2022 9:20 am
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I think it’s pretty fair to say that our guard rotation is set next year with Fox, Davion, TD and DD. 

I agree with this, but alot of people don’t.

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March 17, 2022 10:26 am
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Well they are wrong lol (jk…kind of)

At the minimum I think we don’t need to spend significant money there for a FA

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March 17, 2022 10:35 am
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At the minimum I think we don’t need to spend significant money there for a FA

Agreed. I think FA money would ge better spent on a Bobby Portis type than a Malik Monk type.

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March 17, 2022 4:32 pm
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Overall, there’s not a lot of size, facilitation, or shooting in that guard rotation.

Reading the comments, I’m becoming afraid we’ve officially moved into the annual overrating of Kings role players portion of the season.

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March 17, 2022 5:05 pm

Overall, there’s not a lot of size, facilitation, or shooting in that guard rotation.

Reading the comments, I’m becoming afraid we’ve officially moved into the annual overrating of Kings role players portion of the season.

Well, that’s just like your opinion, man.

But, seriously, are we expecting the Phoenix Suns here? The overrating by some fans is true, but I’m not overrating DDV or Davion. If they’re going to improve, especially Davion, you can bet that the body of work won’t necessarily indicate it. At some point you’re going to have faith, or not, that improvement is possible.

I will point out, as Gregory also has, that the Bucks did think highly enough of DDV to offer him a 3/30M extension. So the notion of DDV being good is hardly limited to Kings fans excited by a couple of games.

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March 17, 2022 5:26 pm
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“Good” is a bit too amorphous of a term for me. But yeah, 3/30 is about right for a second contract for a solid second unit contributor. The overrating comes when I see what seems to be expectations of an impactful starter. Davion is right around there too. They look like solid second unit contributors/fringe-starter-in-the-right-context types. Maybe I’m wrong and am misreading expectations, but both have A LOT of improvement to make to become guys that you would write into a starting unit in pen.

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I guess I could be undervaluing/ underestimating a player like DD’s market value, but I was projecting something closer to 7 or 8m/year at the max. He hasn’t shown a consistent production on offense since his injury, though his energy is always there

I’d love to have him back though. Really enjoy him and Davion playing together and we need smart energy guys

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March 17, 2022 6:54 pm

Davion, I’ll grant that. I think that’s pretty straight forward why. DDV is the one I don’t get. He had numbers go up year after year in points, assists, rebounds and his steal rate has remained steady. Then came the ankle injury. I realize his VORP, WS/48 aren’t high. His ORtg/DRtg was also very good as a starter (obviously having multiple All Stars as teammates never hurts)

I get it if you don’t like the guy. But he started 80 games in Milwaukee. It’s not like he’s an unknown quantity. Or a bad starter.

Having said that, I think you are underrating DDV a tad because his rate and shooting stats aren’t jumping off the page. Understandably so. But there’s an impact I’m seeing from an intangible standpoint that doesn’t always show up in advanced numbers.

I want to see more, but right now I’m at 3/24M range for DDV. More games like last night and I’m not crying if that’s up to 4/48M. This isn’t Cory Joseph we’re talking about here.

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March 17, 2022 9:16 am
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Doug Christie did not have great 3-point shooting percentage …

Donte fills a lot of team needs: defense, rebounding, confidence, ranginess, some additional playmaking.

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March 17, 2022 9:21 am
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Doug was on a few all-nba defensive teams. Donte has a ways to go to get there.

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March 17, 2022 9:25 am
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Doug also played in a different era as it pertained to three point shooting and its influence on the game.

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March 17, 2022 9:38 am
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Okay, those points might allow the team to resign him on a value deal, but I’m really liking what he brings to the table, and think all those little plays he makes (which are actually quite eye-popping, and jump off the screen, and sort of defy the normal limits of ranginess) can mesh with the other players to make the whole greater than the sum of its parts.

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March 17, 2022 4:33 pm
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Donte isn’t close to the defender or facilitator Christie was.

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March 17, 2022 5:08 pm

Neither was Doug Christie in year 4…..

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March 17, 2022 5:27 pm
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Christie was pretty much an excellent defender out of the box. He’s was also a willing passer with good vision, but he tended to be a bit careless with the ball.

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March 17, 2022 6:58 pm

Yes but he wasn’t that Doug Christie until year 5 in Toronto. That was my point. He wasn’t that guy in LA or NY.

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March 17, 2022 10:49 am
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I tend to agree with you but He could start to be a good trading chip as I have some ideas I’m working on that I will try to explain in a day or two.

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March 17, 2022 10:50 am
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PS Sorry I was talking about Lyles not DDV.

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March 17, 2022 4:35 pm
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Lyles doesn’t have much value around the league. And he isn’t paid enough to be much of a $$ filler. He’d be more of a throw-in in most deals.

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March 17, 2022 9:06 pm

getting around 2.5m next year for Lyles is p good. He is a decent role player. Hoping he improves and becomes at least a decent trade piece

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March 17, 2022 12:53 pm
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McNair has traded for DD twice, it would take an extraordinary set of circumstances for him not to be on the roster after the summer.

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March 17, 2022 8:54 am

Apologies to everyone that logged on this morning to talk Kings basketball and had to read through my “contribution” to this thread. I took the bait, and that is 100% my bad. I should have just added the individual to my “do not read” list and moved on. Sorry to have wasted everyone’s time.

Go Kings!

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March 17, 2022 9:13 am
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Of course he fails to mention he initiated it.

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March 17, 2022 9:16 am
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March 17, 2022 10:58 am
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You didn’t. I might not agree with you on some points but I love reading your comments. Yours and others make Kings Herald a great place to express ideas and opinions. Keep commenting.

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March 17, 2022 1:09 pm
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No need as it is understandable ! Love your NBA insights .

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March 17, 2022 9:11 am

If Fox is injured at all, he needs to sit at this point. All we need is someone swiping down on his hand trying to dislodge the ball and making it worse.

DDV is awesome, I’m hoping 10mil per season is within the realm of possibility for resigning him.

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March 17, 2022 9:12 am
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If nothing is damaged, there’s nothing to get hurt. It’s just sore

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March 17, 2022 10:17 am

When the other team scores 135pts, you did not play defense well. Fox’s turnovers definitely didn’t help. He had so many you’d think he worked in a bakery. Once again the refs had to bail the Kings out and help them lose. Overall fun game, lots of work still to be done.

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March 17, 2022 11:21 am
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This is a good time for me to express my opinions on NBA officiating. You might disagree with these comments but this for me is a long time coming. Last night the King’s didn’t lose the game the officiating gave the victory to the Bucks. It’s hard to win a game when the odds are 8 to 5. Matt Barnes and Kayte both expressed their opinions on the officiating last night. They could of said much more or probably get fined. The three stripes last night are truly in love with Giannis. There were three offensive fouls one each on Fox Lyles and Metu. No call. No wonder Fox got T’ed last night. As an old time coach I would have gone to the locker room a lot earlier than that. When I coached The refs were to keep the game under control, if they called a foul on one end then they were to call the same type of foul on the other end. IN NO WAY SHOULD THEY BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE OUTCOME OF ANY GAME PERIOD. The people I felt sad for were the fans who paid go money to watch a fair and balanced game where the outcome was because of what the players did on the court good or bad. Last night it did’nt happen. If the refs did what they did last night who holds them accountable certainly not us, the players or coaches. All of us would have taken a walk and got an early shower. Plus the players or coaches would be fined. Fair and balanced. I don’t think so.

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March 17, 2022 11:46 am
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I’m a Kings fan.

I’m a Kangz fan.

I need lots of excuses to numb the pain of rooting for team that isn’t very good!

(This is coming across as way more snarky than I intend!)

But seriously, the Kings turned the ball over like 4-5 times in last few minutes and the Bucks pulled away. Kings had a chance to win but couldn’t execute in the end.

It’s pretty simple. The better team made better plays when it mattered. That’s why the Kings lost.

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March 17, 2022 1:13 pm
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Most of Kayte complaints were wrong ! Mostly homerism as calls were missed both ways just never pointed out both ways .

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March 17, 2022 10:52 am

I am a little surprised at the lack of reference to the utter shit job of refereeing that was part of last nights game. The most egregious had to be when Mitchell got smacked in the face and the Bucks got to shoot two.

The treatment for Fox was terrible. It was a game of hack a fox but no fouls got called. Which merely encouraged them to hit him more often and harder. He was brutally mauled all game long and shot a total of 2 free throws. The first one coming in the 4th quarter.

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March 17, 2022 10:55 am
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Good teams get calls, just how it is unfortunately.

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March 17, 2022 11:31 am
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I am a little surprised at the lack of reference to the utter shit job of refereeing that was part of last nights game.

Honestly, I think it will stop as the Kings improve on the standings. And there’s no point in complaining anymore. All they can do is fight through it.

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March 17, 2022 12:19 pm
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I don’t know this seemed particularly egregious.

It felt like way more than just not getting the benefit of the doubt on some calls while the other team is getting that benefit. I tend to agree that just has to be expected as a Kings fan at this point.

This felt like something different. It was way over the top. To the point where some of the stuff that was happening to Fox I was wondering if they still had rules to this game, or if someone was going to step in to protect his health. Plus Mitchell getting elbowed to the face and the bucks getting to shoot two was just the ultimate demonstration of how lopsided the refs were. Bucks basically got the green light to brutally foul so they could shoot two.

Let me put it another way… Last night the calls were so bad that when Gentry used his one challenge on a BS call, before the results of the challenge were even announced, there was a standing ovation from the crowd. Crowd cheering only continued when the terrible call was then overturned.

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March 17, 2022 12:59 pm
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I’ve said it before, and I don’t envision losing the need to repeat it going forward: Fox is the most disrespected player in the league by referees.

(And by “knowledgable” Kings’ fans.)

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March 17, 2022 2:00 pm
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I agree completly.

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March 17, 2022 11:43 am

Was at the game last night. Fearing a blow out, the Kings were competitive for the whole game. Closer than the nine point loss indicates. Interesting line up options. I saw Domantas Sabonis and Richaun Holmes on the court at the same time. Antetokounmpo is rather amazing. I was glad I had good seats.

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