The Philadelphia 76ers asked the Sacramento Kings for Tyrese Haliburton and multiple first round picks in exchange for Ben Simmons, according to the latest report from The Athletic’s Shams Charania and Sam Amick. The report also notes the Kings and the Atlanta Hawks have been the two most engaged teams in Ben Simmons talks recently.
For Simmons, the 76ers have asked the Kings for guard Tyrese Haliburton and multiple first-round picks, and asked for a package around John Collins and multiple first-round picks from the Hawks along with Atlanta taking on Tobias Harris, multiple sources tell The Athletic. The Athletic reported on Wednesday that the Kings do not plan to move De’Aaron Fox or Haliburton and want to build around them.
If Philadelphia holds to that asking price, it seems unlikely that the Kings would move forward with acquiring Simmons, but desperation grows as the deadline nears and it remains to be seen if the Kings or Sixers might blink in this standoff.
What I see as the bigger takeaway from this report is how high Haliburton’s value is right now. It’s been reported that the Kings tested the waters on the market for De’Aaron Fox, but Fox was apparently not enough to move the needle for the 76ers, while Haliburton apparently is.
From the Athletic:
“It really is important that the player we add to Joel, if we really want to take our odds from wherever we’re at right now to something materially higher, it has to come back in an impact player,” Morey said Thursday on 97.5 The Fanatic. “If you trade one of these great players for multiple, it does not move your championship odds enough to make a difference. It might take us from where we’re at now to a little bit better, but it’s very slightly better. For Joel, we have to make sure we get this right and we move ourselves to a higher tier of ability to win a championship.
This tells us a lot about how Haliburton is viewed as far as both his ability and his potential, at least by Daryl Morey.
The overall takeaway from this story is that Philadelphia would like us to believe that they would hold onto Ben Simmons beyond the trade deadline in pursuit of James Harden. Personally I’d still be surprised if Philly followed through on that threat, and I think this is just more gamesmanship by Morey trying to convince teams to offer more. We’ll have to wait and see.
The NBA trade deadline is February 10th.
I asked for Scarlett Johansson to be my wife too.
So much for asking for things.
Just wait her out. She’ll get increasingly desperate.
I’ll just leak to the media that my preference is to stay with my wife and then sit back and wait for Scarlett to come running after hearing that news!
Totally. Good call.
Sure, but how does your wife feel about that or are you trying to trade her to Colin Jost for Johansson and two first round picks (which actually sounds really creepy in the context of this discussion).
Did you include picks?
There goes his kids
HAHAHAHA…and Aaron Rodgers wants to get past the playoffs.
Why do I feel like Morey’s approach will have him settling for 2 protected 1sts and a Gary Trent type?
I would t mind Gary Trent… to bad we didn’t draft him… oh wait never mind
Monte need to stop answering Morey’s calls for a couple weeks and move on to other deals. If Morey is bluffing, he will come calling soon.
BREAKING!
Monte tells Sam the Sixers price is too high so Kings fans won’t freak when no impact trade is made.
NEXT.
Cody Zeller is the impact trade!
I mean, this seems to vibe with literally every public statement Morey has made. Seems like Morey’s expectations are still too high or at a minimum he is trying to drive Simmons’ price up. If this gets resolved, it will likely be very shortly before the deadline.
But even if you are getting impatient with McNair, not sure this is just him blowing smoke to CYA given everything else we have heard about the 76ers demands.
As a Sixers fan, I’m fine with Morey having high expectations, not sure why that seems odd to be honest.
Meanwhile in Philly, still on course…
https://www.libertyballers.com/2022/1/24/22898927/ben-simmon-trade-james-harden-nets-sixers-joel-embiid-daryl-morey-hornets-kings-miles-bridges
High expectations are fine.
Cutting off your nose to spite your face, not so much. There are deals that could help his team and star center having a career year right now.
Or you could do nothing to help the team right now on the hope that you maybe/maybe not get something better for next year.
We shall see.
I think he still moves Simmons by the deadline for complimentary parts to Embiid. This is a lot of posturing.
You don’t waste a shot at a title with MVP caliber player in Embiid because you hope to get a better deal this summer.
Ben Simmons isn’t Nikola Jokic. Teams won’t pay that exorbitant asking price. Nor should they. I get acquiring Simmons even if I’m not a big fan of it. But at the expense of Haliburton and multiple FRPs? Yeah, I’m good.
On a side note, I’m a bit surprised OKC hasn’t been mentioned in a trade for Simmons.
I think Morey really wants payer to help them win now and OKC really doesn’t have that guy. They aren’t moving SGA but they do have the picks. They’d could be a 3rd team looking to take on some picks to absorb Tobias Harris, if Morey really is intent to clear cap space.
The one I keep thinking about is:
Tobias, Isaiah Joe, and a pick (via Sac) to OKC
Buddy, Barnes, Dort and Bagley to Philly
Simmons and Favors to Sac
Philly gets fire power and an expiring to clear the cap, OKC gets a pick for taking on Tobias and Kings get Simmons while keeping FOx and Hali. It may take another pick to Philly and/or some 2nd rounders to either OKC or Philly, but OKC becomes the facilitator by taking on Tobias’ deal.
Good try but nobody other than the Kings are in on that blockbuster
Morey and his ego will erode the 76ers just like he did the Rockets ! I bet Doc Rivers and Embid are ready to add something soon !
Buddy, Barnes, Bagley, Thompson and three first round picks (2022 unprotected), (2024 top 3 protected), (2026 top 6 protected)
for
Simmons, Harris and Isiah Joe
in my book which may be skewed and or naive to the actual trade market in’s and outs and actual trade value blah blah blah which is all fairly speculative by any of us in here, this is a very fair trade. It makes the sixersbetter going into the playoffs Barnes is a same for same replacement for Harris essentially. The difference would be minimal for the sixers. You would be adding elite shooting to your second unit in buddy who would likely shoot significantly better from the spacing provided by a dominant center. Additionally you’re getting Marvin Bagley who is a low risk gamble that he could just use a change of scenery to really thrive, plus 3 god damn first round picks!
The big added bonus is next season/this summer for the sixers. They would have tons more cap space and two very tradable assets in Barnes and buddy with their mid range expiring contracts. No other team will allow Harris to be packaged with Simmons. The kings are it. Yes Harris is a good player but the cost for him and the wall that contract creates for Morey to bring in what could be TWO all star free agents this summer is what makes the trade a fair trade. Oh, and the three first round picks!! I’d even make them all unprotected if that was the deal breaker. At least from my perspective, which you can all now shit on.
The issue for Morey is that the Sixers are considerably worse than last year, record and standings-wise, and Embiid is having a monster year. Posturing for Harden this summer seems like a real waste of a prime Embiid year.
thanks for passing that along. Good info.
is it just me or couldn’t some of this if not all of it by Morey be considered tampering. Laying out the plan of trying to get harden this off season when he’s under contract seems F’d up to me. Not that he couldn’t just call harden up and tell him his plan to bring him to Philly. That’s a huge “if” for Morey to be banking on. Harden opting out of an extra 75 million as option A and then option B is a combination of does harden want to leave Durant and kyrie and do the Brooklyn nets want to even make a trade for ben Simmons. If harden ends up on the sixers this summer how could this trade even be allowed by the nba. They stopped the Bogi deal for tampering, this would feel much more egregious.
Yup, it’s a lot to bet on, especially if Brooklyn comes out of the East and make a title run this year. Why would Harden give that up to go to Philly next year? I really think it’s a bunch of smoke and leverage being attempted by Morey.
Morey is a cuckoo bird. I’d be shocked if he gets Harden or that insane package he’s looking for just for Simmons.
But I’ve been wrong before.
Not sure if a straight swap Simmons for harden would be ok’d by the nets either. Classic Morey
Yep Morey being Morey. I’ve been curious from day one why Sixers ownership is letting him do this. But…they are.
Never underestimate the ability of…..KANGZ
Yeesh…Harden? So much for trying to win a ring during the Embiid window.
Morey seems to have forgotten that he is trading Ben Simmons, not Giannis.
That would have been an excellent price for Draymond in his prime. They should have pulled the trigger.
I think as an athlete and skills player, Simmons is better than Dray.
From a leadership, intensity, mentality and intangibles point of view, Draymond is better than Simmons.
I can see Draymond kicking teammates in the nuts when they loaf around during practice or try a shimmy during a game. I can see Simmons grab his smartphone and check Instragram.
He certainly doesn’t have a problem kicking opposing players in the nuts.
Haha, absolutely. It’s pretty amazing how intangibles impact the game so importantly. Dray wants to win so much more than Simmons
I would go with Simmons. Skills are certainly more important…and Simmons skills would have a much better synergy with Fox than Halliburton’s do.
Really? I think both fox and Simmons’ poor shooting (or non existent in Simmons’ case) would pigeonhole the roster a lot more if you traded Hali. If anything I think Hali and Simmons are an ideal match
Yeah, if you’re pairing Fox and Simmons you’re basically throwing fit out the window and hoping to overwhelm with talent. Then you’re working REALLY hard to fill the other 3 slots on the floor with exceptional floor spacers.
Green’s a future Hall of Famer. Or at least he should be.
I’m not sure if this reveals how high Ty’s value is right now, or how much the Sixers have lowered their asking price. Probably some of both, and if that’s how the respective parties are trending I would wait it out if I was Monte.
A “Top 15-20 player” became a “top 30-40 player” and is now “Haliburton-level player” apparently (what level is that? Top 150?). Morey played too much hardball early on, and now it’s biting him in the butt.
According to 538’s RAPTOR rating, Halliburton is a top 40 player in the NBA right now. It all comes down to what metrics you use to rank players.
Even then, that depends on how much you value RAPTOR.
Certainly, I think Haliburton’s potential ceiling has increased this season. Hard to know what that is. Before the season, I would have said very high level glue guy. I don’t know the latest numbers, but I think he might be averaging almost 20 and 10 without Fox, and actually making people around him better. I’m not sure those numbers would hold up over a season, but I also can’t say for sure that they wouldn’t.
Still not convinced this is the case, but I’m not as over the moon about Haliburton as others here. To me much of this is about Hali still being new and shiny and the sheen has not worn off the way it has with De’Aaron Fox. And no, I very much love what Tyrese Haliburton does. But the narrative around here (and elsewhere) is treating him as a more effective player than he in fact actually is for the most part. He, too, is flawed.
This is a subjective statement in many respects (not claiming you are unaware of that either Spackler). Making players better on a team that is 10 games below 500? Yippee.
There is a chemistry and talent problem with this team. Which is why, IMO, they have had so much underachievement.
Now, having said that, Haliburton’s numbers since Fox going out with health and safety protocols are as follows (all numbers according to NBA.com):
PPG: 17.9 APG: 9.5 TOV: 2.7 FGM: 6.4 FGA: 12.6 3PM: 2.7 3PA: 5.5 FTA: 2.2 (50.8 FG%, 48.9 3PA%, 83.3 FT%).
Advanced numbers:
ORtg: 108 DRtg: 116.4 TS% 64.4 USG%: 19.8% 41.2 AST% TOV%: 10.4%
These numbers are the numbers since Dec 17th, the first game Fox missed.
I’m not linking Fox’s numbers here, but I’ll just point out that assuming Fox and Haliburton can produce on that level together, the team has a chance at improvement IF other things are done. I will go down arguing that the best path forward is building around the two of them, improving the talent around them however you must (and that includes trading picks as scary as that really is understandably so), and resetting the big picture for next season
We all know this season is donezo Spackler. But I would like to see improvement of talent on the roster and an influx, maybe a draft pick of real impact talent this June, and start again with a head coach and FO on the same page. No, I’m not aching to fire McNair because people are pissed off and frustrated. If this ownership group has any real failure, it’s that they fire the people who tell them the inconvenient truths (you know, qualified NBA people) and keep the yes-man around them. You no doubt recognize this: You say as much all the time (even if not using those specific words).
So yeah, this is a long way of saying, do I love Tyrese Haliburton? Yes, yes I do. But he’s as much a part of the problem with the current roster as he could be part of the solution moving ahead. And since trading Fox is likely to yield Ben Simmons out of that at best (which in no way shape or form interests me whatsoever), and trading Haliburton for Simmons is absolutely out of the question, and there’s opportunities to trade picks (even with some decent protections, that could be a major asset for a team needing them), there’s opportunities. Especially since Barnes and Holmes do have value on the market. Trade Buddy to Cleveland for Rubio and Windler, add Ramsey to make the roster requirement of those trades work (and to give Cleveland an extra G since they are so depleted in that backcourt) and call it a day.
We know this roster doesn’t work. We know Buddy needs to go. Trading Fox is likely to get a 30 or 40 cent dollar trade or a whiny bitch like Ben Simmons. I’m good on saying no to that. I know others disagree. Change the mix with your vets on contracts other teams want. Add draft capital to it if you can get the right player (John Collins). Don’t move Fox unless it’s for premium value. Hire the right head coach who can encourage Fox and Haliburton to play the right way off each other. Figure out a way to improve the defense without sacrificing offense (easy to say, tough to do). Get a FO and head coach on the same page who can present an unified discussion to ownership and create actual synergy between the two for a change. Stop pretending missing the playoffs is as big a deal as it is. It’s simply a biproduct of poor approach and bad management decisions. Proactivity is always better than reactivity.
Having said that, this got longer than I wanted. I apologize. But yeah, that’s where I’m at. I like Haliburton as a core piece, and he’s come a ways no doubt of that. But he’s got a ways to go and I don’t think any of us should lose sight of that either. But I feel the frustration with Fox in particular has led a lot of people down that very path (whether they perceive it that way or not) to claim Haliburton is really more valuable than he really in fact is right now.
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By VORP, he’s 19th. Personally, I think we’re still pretty bad at valuation of players that don’t put up big PPG numbers. Personally, I think 19 is high, but as I look at players around the league, I think somewhere around 35-ish feels about right.
Ther’s no catch all metric was really my point. But yes, he rates high on metrics because he plays that type of game that rate metrics value.
But rate metrics aren’t entirely perfect either. It went from being completely ignored to completely overvalued and somewhere in there is a happy medium IMO. We just haven’t found the happy medium in the public space regarding metrics.
Nothing is entirely perfect. But it’s significantly better than just looking at PPG, RPG, and APG (which, of course, are also rate metrics. Just less sophisticated, more insular ones) and when they all start to converge in a common conclusion, we should probably give it at least some credence.
We can agree that there is use for those metrics. Sometimes, though, I think they are overrated in their value. As you say, nothing is perfect.
That said, I don’t think Haliburton is more important than Fox because he rates better in those metrics.
Sabonis is 10th
I don’t trust Canadian metrics…
On a more serious note, I can see how people could value Haliburton very highly, but still think he hasn’t shown yet that he can be that level of go-to player. I love him and want him in Sac, and given every chance. I just have a hard time saying he is top-40 right this moment.
I don’t think you need to be a go-to player to be ranked high on NBA charts. Players like Gobert, Draymond Green, Miles Bridges, or even guys like Brunson or Caruso are excellent basketball players that aren’t the #1, #2, ore even #3 option on their teams, but they are vital to the team’s overall performance and do all the little things that the box score doesn’t show.
I know no one on this shit team is untradeable, but for me, Hali is closest to it. By all advanced metrics and analytics, he is the best player on the Kings, AND he’s on his cheap rookie deal. It’s no wonder he may be the target for Morey because it will also allow him to free up salary to chase a big star (Harden) this summer.
Just for reference, when was the last time a team traded away its best player, who is also on their rookie deal, WITH PICKS, for another star player? I’m not sure it’s ever happened. This also doesn’t take into account that said star player hasn’t played close to a year.
Hard Pass.
I’ll give Morey and combination of the rest of the roster and a pick or two for Simmons, but I’m not doting Hali and picks.
Simmons is definitely a hard pass.
First of all, I don’t think it’s a good idea to pick up a player who’s not playing. For whatever reason, it doesn’t look good, and doesn’t reflect on him very positively, in my opinion.
And if you look at his career stats, they’re not all that great anyway. He does have good rebounding/assist/steals numbers, very good defensive player, but he’s a career 59.7% free throw shooter.
No thank you. And he can take his 15.9 PPG scoring somewhere else.
Agree. We’re not a team that can whimsically sacrifice future assets. Simmons isn’t a superstar that would make up for the lost future(s) by his skillset alone without anything worthwhile to put around him.
LeBron? Sure
Agree
I think Simmons could be an awesome addition if you surround him with role players like Buddy, Barnes, and Hali. That’s 3 players that can shoot 40% from 3. That’s why I prefer trading Fox for Simmons instead of selling farm to land him. Simmons is still very, very good at basketball. You aren’t trading for him for his shooting and scoring, you are trading for him because of all other things he excels at. Let others do the shooting.
Very good points. I would add, when your franchise needs a culture change is that the guy we want.
This sounds like a VERY good player:
“I mean, sure, he’s is really good at the majority of facets of the game, but here’s one he’s bad at!”
Yeah, but being such a bad and unwilling shooter outside of 8 feet is a big limiting factor for how you build a team and space things. Not saying I don’t want Simmons but he is a bit of a square peg, albeit an incredibly talented one.
He IS a square peg. But the things he does well, he does exceptionally well. And the things he doesn’t do are relatively easy to mitigate in a league where more than 50 players are hitting 3s at >48% on over 3 per game. Especially when the square peg in question is one of the absolute best in the league at creating open 3s for teammates.
Honestly, I feel like the general narrative has gone WAY off the deep end on Simmons. He’s clearly has a huge hole in his game, but he’s also absolutely elite as a passer and multi-positional defender. Two of the most impactful skills in the game. And, of course, he’s also a very good positional rebounder. Ultimately, he’s an excellent player than has produced at a high level from the moment he entered the league. His shooting keeps him from being a fringe MVP/top 10 type. But he’s absolutely in the top 30ish range.
I don’t want the Kings to trade Hali and picks for him. But that’s mostly because I don’t think that creates the best team possible and I’m borderline irrational in my like of Hali at the moment. But that doesn’t mean I need to pretend Simmons is anything short of an excellent player.
The narrative has, but the criticism isn’t new. These are issues that date back to the Montverde days with Simmons.
I’m thinking about our prospects of building around Simmons if we trade halliburton and a few picks away. it’s mostly the Morey asking price that is the main deterrent, especially if we have to take Tobias too
If we could get something like:
Simmons, thybulle, Harris
For
Buddy, bagley, haliburton 2 firsts, then I likely do this
It would be an odd roster for us though
If we actually followed a rebuild like smart teams do, then I’d be even more inclined to keep those picks
FWIW, that trade would not be approved as there’s too much money coming from Philly and not enough coming from Sac. You’d have to add Barnes or Fox to that deal to make the money work at the very least, and you might need to add Barnes plus Thompson to make it work easier.
Keep in mind the more players you add, the more players Philly has to add, too. There’s roster requirements (both teams are at the 15 max right now).
Like I said, FWIW.
Yeah I wasn’t thinking of that. Honestly I don’t know if I want to give up 2 firsts anyway
I wish Monte will just blow it up (-Ty) followed shortly with news USCIS investigating Ruindiva for foreign-workers-visa fraud. Turnaround 2022 baby
Yes. Hali is the best player and getting better. He’s already better than Fox and he’s still growing.
Hali makes his teammates better and can shoot like a mo fo. That’s the type of player you build around. Not 1-1 below average defenders, non shooters.
The Kings are probably screwing themselves building around Fox unless, by some miracle, he becomes a shooter.
3-team deal. Kings get Simmons, Philly gets Kings picks + player/picks from 3rd team, 3rd team gets Fox (plus picks?). KANGZ would do well to make Hali their PG and get as much as they can for Fox. He’s at his ceiling, IMHO, and that max contract isn’t quite worth it.
Trading fox now at 24 at the start of his max contract might be a mistake, imo. I think his value isn’t high enough currently, so they’re electing to hold on and hope it improves. I don’t think you hurt yourself by waiting and letting him grow another year
Morey ruined Houston and doing the same with Philly ! The Rockets won 2 NBA titles and had 2 other finals Shots before Morey and none with him ! Fact – his rep over rated !
Multiple means at least two. He probably wants 4. Plus Hali? Pound sand Morey. If Monte feels the need to do something, keep Haliburton, Mitchell, Davis, and Queta. Trade everyone else for picks.
This is exactly what I would do. You can be GM, I’ll be your assistant! Let’s talk to Vivek.
haliburton, Mitchell, Davis and Queta. Trade everyone else for picks. Then, make some trades with some of those picks for young guys that fit well with Haliburton. Use some picks to trade up in the draft if necessary and get the all star can’t miss player you believe strongly in.
It’s really the only thing that makes long-term OR short-term sense. The team is, what, 11 games under .500 right now? Even if they acquire a “star” at the deadline, the long-dreamed-of (SIGH) play-in is far from guaranteed. Better to harvest your most expensive assets and sell them for whatever you can (which could be quite a bit– Fox, Barnes, and Holmes could all fetch some good draft capital, together or separately. Hand the reins to Hali, play out what is a lost season, and hit the ground running in June with a bunch of picks and a new lease on life.
So of course this means the team will trade picks and current starters for an overpriced “veteran leader” who helps them win 2 additional games this spring and cripples their cap sheet for the next 4 years. Gotta get that play-in, baby! KANGZ.
Sad thing is that a trade doesn’t even excite me, none of the players ever mentioned do, there’s a reason these teams want to trade these players and I just don’t see them helping that much. Free Agency and the draft are usually the way to give your team a big boost. I don’t see a big-name free agent coming here so I always vote for tank until you draft a top 5 or 10 MVP caliber talent. Then maybe you get some good free-agents that wanna sign and make a couple trades mid-season as finishing touches once the team is good. It’s just what you have to do in a small market.
Just listening to a sixers podcast, they think they are getting Hali, Barnes, Heild and mutliple 1st round picks. Its comical really. 3/5 of our starters and multiple 1st round picks for Simmons? Must be nice living in such a fantasy land.
Keep in mind: We live in Vivek’s fantasy land.
If they trade Hali for Simmons it is idiotic. Simmons w Fox ain’t working.
Yeah, Fox has to go ASAP for someone who can shoot if that deal gets done.
Which means you need to trade Fox before acquiring Simmons, or at the same time as part of the same deal. Otherwise, you lose a lot of leverage, since teams will know Fox and Simmons don’t mix shooting-wise and the Kings will be more eager/desperate to move him.
This would create what would likely be the worst shooting team in NBA history. The next highest 3p% after those three is Terence Davis at 32.7% and then Alex Len at 31.6%. They’d go from the historically worst defensive team ever to the historically worst shooting team. Progress!
Which podcast? Anybody can make a podcast and throw out speculation
I see greatness in Haliburton, not a good player but a great player. He’s only in his second year and he is damn good and will only get better offensively and defensively. By his fifth year he will easily be top 40, maybe even top 30 and still won’t be in his prime. Kings would do us fans a disservice by trading him. Just my opinion.
I rather keep those picks and Tyrese, just keep losing and draft Paolo Banchero,
Thats a really good point. IDK if Harris and Simmons couldn’t sniff a championship with Embiid and others, what makes anyone believe that can do it with Sacramento’s roster.
Ehhhh. I think it’s reasonable to say losing game 7 of the ECF to the eventual champion on a 4-bouncer last-second shot could be considered “sniffing a championship.”
Ehhh. They lost to Toronto in the eastern conference semi finals not finals. Toronto went on to defeat Milwaukee in 6 games and the ONLY reason Toronto has a championship is because they faced a team with a rash of injuries. Also Philadelphia has been playing in a very inferior eastern conference so to me you sniff a championship when your a final 4 team and Simmons hasn’t reached that level despite playing with a pretty loaded roster in the inferior eastern conference. Also, there’s not been an appreciable decline in the results without Simmons. Lastly, when you have a franchise that is badly in need of a culture change do you want to go all in on that guy. Now there’s certainly a reasonable price where that gamble makes sense but I’m not mortgaging the house on that Prima Donna. The compensation packages being thrown around for Simmons are flat out ridiculous.
Hali has a chance to be a CP3, both his skillset and IQ are on course.
However…he won’t do that on this team, as currently constructed. Keep Hali and a small core….wait, hold up, I can’t even go through with this. Vivek may fire Monte yet. We don’t have a proper coach. What’s the point of any deal without front office stability and ensuring players acquired make sense for the (hopefully long term) coach.
The only logical solution is to keep Hali and Holmes and acquire 99 draft picks.
I don’t think he has the passing instincts or defensive chops, but I would agree that his ceiling is higher now than it was when the year started.
CP3??
C’mon…
CP3 was much better in his first two seasons ! Tougher on D and a true natural leader ! Malcolm Brogdan closer ! ( he was rookie of the year )
Whatever, just do it. Who even cares anymore? At least it’s something.
good trades for Philly from the kings include all of these
Fox, buddy and our 2022 unprotected for Simmons
Fox, Barnes and our 2022 unprotected for Simmons
Fox, Barnes, buddy and our 2022 unprotected for Simmons and Harris
Barnes, Buddy, Bagley, Thompson, 2022 unprotected, 2024 top 3 protected and 2026 top 6 protected for Simmons and Harris and 2 seconds
all I believe are worth the risk and potential reward for the Kings.
Morey could take his pick from any of those options. Personally I think he’s be stupid not to.
1 – No. Players for players – no picks. Particularly unprotected.
2 – No. Players for players – no picks. Particularly unprotected.
3 – No. Players for players – no picks. Particularly unprotected. (see a pattern?)
4 – Fuck No. Both Simmons and Harris would be long since gone from the roster by the time that 2026 protected clears, and in the meantime the Kangz would remain the Kangz because of FRP entanglements courtesy of the Stepien Rule.
Morey can go pound sand.
Vlade set this franchise back a decade… it hasn’t been a decade yet.
As I’ve said before, Vlade’s blunders were mostly gone by the time Monte took over. The Kings weren’t/aren’t in any more of a hole than any other under .500 team. Monte has had all his picks + extra 2nds and a roster made up mostly of market value players and value/cheap deals. His worst contract is Hield’s and that one is just your garden variety overpay. Not an albatross.
Vlades blunders will have a lasting impact for over a decade. It is true McNair started out in a better situation than other franchises who dug themselves out of deep holes to get to a level of respectability
Okay, i like Hali, he’s probably the best player on the team right now, with the highest upside. But are we really saying we wouldn’t trade him for multiple time Allstar, and arguably a top.. 25 player in the league ? may top 15?. If they are looking for an impact trade, do that deal. If they want Haliburton and 2 First rounders, do it.
I say this based on the idea of “win now”, if we are rebuilding and going to blow it up, then my statement is retracted.
the trades being mentioned are not Haliburton straight across for Simmons. When they mentioned Haliburton and a bunch of first round picks its a definite no for me. Remember Simmons plus Embiid and a loaded Philly roster couldn’t sniff a championship. So Simmons with a depleted Sac roster ……
Win Now? Probably have Simmons for about 20 games by the time he is ready to play and no picks next season ! Sorry, sounds like a disaster !
Because the Kings aren’t just trading Hali for Simmons. Philly also wants multiple picks and teh Kings would need to send out an additional $30M in salary that would likely include one of Buddy or Barnes.
Still want to trade Hali for Simmons if you are also giving up 2 picks and Buddy or Barnes?
They can’t pull this deal off without cap room, or a contract large enough to make up the difference in salary.
Then you have to factor in roster requirements, too.
Win what now? Play in’s?
Simmons is not top 15 or 25.
Sounds reasonable if Philly adds that Rocky Balboa statue to the deal. Yo Monte!
Vivek allegedly turned down a lifetime supply of scrapple and Tastykakes which was just dumb.
Morey asks for entire Kings roster in exchange for Simmons. Plus alternating #1 and #2 picks for the next 10 years since, you know, the Kings won’t be needing them as there won’t be a team.
lol – good point these compensation packages are ridiculous
This is more posturing by Philly to drive the price up and so far nobody is getting suckered into that game. Come trade deadline time the realistic compensation packages for Simmons will emerge. Given what they are likely to get offered I think Fox for Simmons is going to look go to them. The Kings can’t give up any more than that. These packages that include Fox and multiple first round picks ain’t gonna happen. You add Harris in these deals now we have no cap space and no draft capital to further advance the team and those two guys are not taking us to the promise land. In addition if Simmons craps out and all I hear he cares about from people who have had actual experiences with him is himself and money.
The way bad teams get good is sign free agents (including sign and trade option), make trades or get free goods through the draft. The draft is FREE.
Kings will have problems with signing free agents and might be able to get better with trades but trades usually mean- I get something and you get something of close to equal value. The draft (if done right) delivers free goods. No equal value.
That said, in a trade sometimes free stuff has to be added to get equal value.
Simmonds is worth some assets- and probably one or the other of Fox +Hli but not worth the loss of picks unless highly protected and no more than 2. I doubt Morey goes for that
The 2022 draft pick is insanely valuable. The Kings are in a prime spot to move into the top 4 where the Kings can pick up a franchise player there – AND the Sixers want Haliburton AND MORE picks?? Hard pass. Best I would do is Haliburton + 2022 top 4 protected pick + filler (TT, Bagley, Buddy, etc)
Hands off our Hali.
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